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Letters to the Editor

Jobs bill support

October 10, 2011

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To the editor:

The divisiveness in Washington is costing American jobs. Over three weeks have passed since President Obama sent his American Jobs Act to Congress, but the Republicans refuse to even look at it.

President Obama’s American Jobs Act is exactly the type of solution that we need — a bill full of ideas that both parties should support. It is a deal that creates jobs by lowering taxes and investing in our future. And, the best part: It is fully paid for.

We need relief for the middle class now. It’s time for our politicians to get over politics and help put Lawrence, northeast Kansas and America back to work.

Comments

Mike Ford 3 years, 2 months ago

in the alternate america good is bad....name calling and inferences rule.....age old stereotypes rule....nothing like hearing rehashed reaganisms. I've called the joker's (Lynn Jenkins) office at least once a week taking them to task for inactivity...they don't care..... they want the rapture....their churchlicans and racelicans want the rapture at the expense of the rest of us. If one doesn't want to experience their form of rapture at the economic expense of us...they should be voted out...duh.... they act like tax cuts are the answer.....sure.....cut taxes on one hand and run up debt on the other....Clinton dealt with this problem but don't tell the denialists that......they want rapture....vote the rapture seekers out...duh....

Fred Mertz 3 years, 2 months ago

McConnell has tried to bring the bill to a vote but Reid has not allowed it in the senate so I believe your criticism is misdirected.

conservative 3 years, 2 months ago

First off the bill is hardly fully paid for. in the suggestion put forth by Obama 500 billion of funding is the same money that is being suggested as part of the mandated budget balancing the republicans required to approve a borrowing increase. 1 trillion of his spending cuts comes from ending military involvement in Aphganistan and Iraq. Those pullouts are already scheduled and there is nothing in the budget planning for that spending so it is hardly a cut. also since none of Obama's past initiatives lived up to the number of jobs he claimed he went to an independent outside of the government analyst to determine how many jobs would be created. The analyst did say the bill would create jobs in 2012. He went on to say since those jobs were all funded by a short term government spending spree that they were not permanent jobs, the effect on unemployment would go away in 2013 but that the increased debt would cause a real drag on the economy during the following 10 years.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

That gosh darned racist Harry Reid is blocking the will of the Mope in Chief!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

Do you believe everything you hear on Fox and Rush?

Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

Are there more about-to-fail companies owned by large donors to Democrats that need to be paid off with tax dollars?

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

Forcing a vote before the Democrats have the chance to discuss and debate the bill, and come to a general consensus on it is an attempt to prevent them from doing just that.

It's pretty standard in Washington, as I understand it, for any side that's presenting a bill to discuss, debate, modify, etc. it before it's presented for a vote.

And, do you disagree that Republicans have made opposition to Obama and the Democrats a major force (perhaps the most important one) in their decision-making?

Once the Democrats have presented their bill, what sort of chance is there that Republicans will vote for it, do you think?

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

If you can't stop the personal insults and misrepresentations, I will stop discussing things with you.

I am neither "enraged", nor interested in "easy talking points".

Are there disagreements among Democrats? Sure. Especially as the president loses favor with voters, politicians concerned for their re-election will start to try to distance themselves.

One thing that doesn't seem to get discussed much is that voters on the left are particularly disappointed with Obama, and his continuing movements towards the right and compromises with them.

I'm pretty sure that those voters will not vote Republican in the next election because they're disappointed with Obama.

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

Moderates on both sides like compromise.

Extremists on both sides dislike it.

Politics has become more extreme in recent years, with compromise becoming a dirty word for both sides.

It's why we have difficulty getting things done, and it's a real problem.

rtwngr 3 years, 2 months ago

On the House side of Congress, nobody wants to put their name on the bill and introduce it. Obama's own party refuses to back him on this one because they know how unpopular it is. If they introduce it and support it, they know it will cost them everything at the polls next November. Bad LTE. Just more feel good, plastic banana, rock and roll drivel.

Mike Ford 3 years, 2 months ago

ask dick armey or any of the other gop retreads how many of their diversity hating einsteins were bused in for their freedomworks garbage....know before you talk... former gop people have helped the tea party...why do you think those clowns are in so many splinter groups that sometimes oppose each other....duh...

tbaker 3 years, 2 months ago

The President's idea to "tax the rich" in his so-called "jobs" bill is pure class warfare BS of the first order. When he says the so-called rich don’t pay their share of taxes, he is lying, distorting, and demagoging.

Some facts about our wretched tax system:

• Those making more than $1 million pay 24% of income in taxes • Those making $200,000 to $300,000 pay 17.5% • Those making $100,000 to $125,000 pay 9.9% • Those making $50,000 to $60,000 pay 6.3% • Those making $20,000 to $30,000 pay 2.5%

And what of millionaires who pay no taxes?

There are 1,470 of them. They represent six-tenths of one percent of all those with million dollar incomes in the U.S. If we assume that they make an average income of $2 million a year each, taxing them at the same rate as other millionaires (24.4%) would yield $367 million, which would increase Treasury income tax revenues by 30 one-hundredths of one percent or one-third of one-tenth of one percent!

Overall, the IRS reports that the revenues from the income tax are sharply skewed toward taxes on the rich:

• The top 1% pays 39% • The top 5% pays 60% • The top 10% pays 72% • The bottom half pays 3%

So who does he think he is kidding?

vuduchyld 3 years, 2 months ago

Your facts are devoid of context.

How do those figures compare with how much of the income the top 1%, 5%, 10% makes? How much of the wealth is controlled by the top percentages?

It's possible that your facts are correct and that the wealthy are still paying less than they should.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

Yes, and it ignores the fact that even after paying these taxes, the wealthy are still quite wealthy, and that would remain the case even if the tax rates are significantly raised.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 2 months ago

So the government should simply tax them until they aren't quite wealthy? Are taxes a way to raise revenue or punish people who have been successful?

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

Are you advocating a wealth tax on top of all the other taxes we pay?

voevoda 3 years, 2 months ago

You can't judge tax burdens solely by income tax paid. There are so many more taxes that fall disproportionally on the working poor and the middle class, such as payroll taxes and sales taxes and even personal property taxes (do you think that the owner of a $45,000 car pays 45 times the license fee of the owner of the $1,000 car?). The rhetoric of "pure class warfare" comes from the wealthy and their defenders who are scared that they might have to share a little more with their impoverished fellow-citizens. It's not "class warfare" to remind well-to-do fellow citizens of their civic (and their Christian) responsibility to the less fortunate.

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

From the Merriam-Webster dictionary: Proportional-adj; a : corresponding in size, degree, or intensity b : having the same or a constant ratio

So if two people spend the same amount of money at the store and are charged the same amount of sales tax then that is certainly “corresponding in size, degree or intensity” and is most certainly “the same or constant ratio” of tax per dollar spent.

Does the owner of the $45K car use 45 times the government “services” as the owner of the $1K car?

What you really want is a disproportionate system where you get to decide who should pay more based on how you “feel” about certain people and how much you think they should have. I guess that is where the magical (because there is no proof that one exists) “civic” responsibility comes in.

And just as a reminder, the government can’t enforce your Christian beliefs. That is kind of against the Constitution, and all.

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

Investments are indeed wealth. We tax capital gains, which by definition are the "gains" in wealth, not the wealth itself. We won't get into the 15% since we will probably never come close to agreeing on an appropriate tax rate to support an appropriate amount of government.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 3 years, 2 months ago

Reports have shown that the cost per job under Obama's watch is between 200 to 350K. If this is true they would be better off cutting checks to people instead of trying to boost the job market.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

"Reports?" What reports? What were the methods of their calculations? Not that really expect that you can or will answer any of those questions.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

All of those complaining about who makes what & who is giving what to whom is all a big waste of time & energy.

How about those of you complaining about wether you are being "mistreated" by "The Man/Company" redirect all of that negative energy and wasted time into something you can really do something about.

How about doing something everyday that improves your skills and abilities to improve yourself and your economic position in life? No one is holding you back. Every second you spend blogging about something you can not control you could be spending improving yourself.

Examine yourself, not others, and you will find your will improve yourself immediately.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Is anyone really thinking here. Obama claims his new jobs bill will employee "new" teaching positions. How many schools are short of teachers? Please lets not discuss overcrowded class rooms. If that gets brought up then we will have to discuss wasted time by teachers spent on subjects not related to basic education.

By the way the supposed jobs bill Obama is promoting is at best another stimulus bill & an act of shameless class envy. Additionally the "teachers" etc, he says it will employee, will only be employed for a year. Then what happens. Obama hopes to be reelected & the teachers are unemployed or the states need to raise taxes.

In other words, Obama wins & we are...

Obama's behavior is shameless!!!

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

What an odd suggestion, to ask about shortages of teachers but not to include discussion of overcrowded classes, which may be a clear sign of not enough teachers.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Many children are educated in overcrowded class rooms. In our family there were 11 teachers in one generation. Positions ranging from class room teachers to a president of one university. They laugh at all of this discussion regarding overcrowding. They espouse the position that "it is not the quantity of students I teach it is the quality of education I present".

This whole concept of student/teacher ratio concept came from the unions wanting more people to pay union dues. It is a "red herring" to divert attention from their goal. Don't believe for a minute that the unions are altruistic regarding education of our children.

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

Of course it's the quality of the education that's important.

But, trying to teach too many students can definitely have a negative impact on that.

There's a difference between "presenting education" and actually teaching students.

voevoda 3 years, 2 months ago

What's not "basic education," citizen1? History? Science? Art? Music? Physical education? All of those subjects have been part of the school curriculum since, well, ancient Greece. Would you dispense with Government? or Health? Most of those think that those subjects are essential to the well-being of our society.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

I would also espouse a good quality course on good old "civics" that teaches the true history of our country & the values & issues that led to the creation of the United States of America. An excellent civics class would also promote the values of our ancestors regarding "Personal Responsibility" versus the current concept of promoting dependence.

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

I invite you to follow these links and check out the classes currently offered at Lawrence High School and Free State High School. If you can’t find at least 30 classes on each web site that are not “basic education” then you really need to re-evaluate what is basic. I will give you a head start:

•Agriscience •Environmental Resources •Veterinary Science •Agricultural Communications •Florticulture & Greenhouse Mgmt •Pre-Med •3-D Art •Jewelry/Art Metals •Forensics •Issue Theater •Stagecraft •Performance Contract •Native American History •African American History •East Asian Studies •Textiles and Fashion •Interiors I •Child Development •Pre-Collegiate Experiences with Early Childhood Education

Lawrence High: http://lhs.usd497.org/ Free State High: http://fshs.usd497.org/

I am not saying that these are not interesting subjects, or that students don’t learn anything from the classes but they are far from basic education.

voevoda 3 years, 2 months ago

So, let's look at your list: •Agriscience = Agriculture = Science. Basic, especially in a farming state. •Environmental Resources = Science. Basic, especially in a farming state. •Veterinary Science = Science. Basic, especially in a farming state. •Agricultural Communications =Rhetoric. Basic, especially in a farming state. •Florticulture & Greenhouse Mgmt = Science. Basic, especially in a farming state. •Pre-Med = Biology = Science. Basic. •3-D Art =Art. Basic. •Jewelry/Art Metals = Art = Metallurgy= Science. Basic. •Forensics = Rhetoric. Basic. •Issue Theater = Literature. Basic. •Stagecraft = Literature. Basic. •Performance Contract = Rhetoric. Basic. •Native American History = History. Basic, just as is the history of European-Americans. •African American History = History. Basic, just as is the history of European-Americans. •East Asian Studies = Government/language. Basic, especially considering that China is our country's #1 trade partner. •Textiles and Fashion •Interiors I •Child Development = Pedagogy. Basic for anyone who will become a parent. •Pre-Collegiate Experiences with Early Childhood Education = Pedagogy. Basic for anyone who will become a parent. And Sex Education = Biology = Science. Basic. Gardening = Horticulture = Science. Basic. I'm all in favor of course that teach the "true history of our country and the values and issues that led to the creation of the United States of America." However, such a course would necessarily acknowledge that the American tradition is equally rich in promoting personal responsibility and promoting social justice, including most notably helping those in need. The version you seem to be proposing, citizen1, consists of ideological indoctrination, not history or civics.

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

Try again. If you had bothered to follow the links you would have found plenty of “basic” courses in math, science, history and the arts.

I particularly like:
“Pre-Collegiate Experiences with Early Childhood Education = Pedagogy. Basic for anyone who will become a parent.”

Do you really believe that is basic for anyone who will become a parent? Are you really that lost to reality that you think government schools can teach people to be parents?

voevoda 3 years, 2 months ago

Yes, Peacemaker452, there are other courses that are also basic. You just have an excessively limited idea of what constitutes basic education. Considering that it is parents who raised the children who (according to you) grew up to prefer "dependence," why should you oppose the schools teaching children how to be better parents than their own parents were? And why is it the school's responsibility to teach "personal responsibility," as you have stated above? Shouldn't that be the parents' responsibility, rather than the school's, by your logic? (Actually, I think that schools should teach personal responsibility, and they do. Including, most notably, in classes on child development.)

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

So, because I don’t agree with you I must have “an excessively limited idea of what constitutes basic education”.

Don’t get to full of yourself, maybe you have an excessively broad idea.

The other two comments were made by citizen1, not me. So you fail reading comprehension. Maybe you should have taken a Basic English class instead of some “broad idea” of basic education class.

I would also recommend a debate class, might learn to not be such a polemicist.

voevoda 3 years, 2 months ago

Debaters hurl insults when they can't base an argument on evidence or logic. "Don't get to full of yourself"? "Maybe you should have taken a Basic English class"? "I would also recommend a debate class, might learn to not be such a polemicist"? What are those, but mindless (and inaccurate) insults?

Peacemaker452 3 years, 2 months ago

Wow, must have stuck a nerve. Normally you just stop posting when you have lost.

You had no evidense or logic to reply to my earlier post so you just made a polemetic argument that "voevoda's opinion is better than peacemaker's". You can try to hide behind your fake little intellectual argument but your little mind tricks don't work on me. "Don't get too full of yourself" is hardly a stinging insult. The english class statement was fully justified since we were talking about basic education and you made a gross error in trying to insult me based on statements made by someone else. In summary, they were well thought out and accurate statements that you earned by your own logical failures. Quit acting like I called you George Bush or something.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Social Justice = social equality. That is the greatest aspect of America it offers Equal Opportunity for all. Sorry, but it only offers outcomes relative to Individual effort input. The problem with the way social justice gets bantered about is it wants equal outcomes. Sorry that doesn't' happen even in socialist states.

Corey Williams 3 years, 2 months ago

Bush tried that two or was it three times? DId it work?

Corey Williams 3 years, 2 months ago

Was that the first tax refund, the second or the third? I forget since none of them actually made any difference.

David Reynolds 3 years, 2 months ago

Peacemaker42, thanks for the specifics. What is going on in our educational system is so obtuse relative to what needs to be going on.

Additionally we are now bilingual in many schools.

It does not take much effort to figure out how to reduce our educational costs. Obama adding more teachers when none are needed accomplishes nothing. He is pandering.

Possibly those buying his message need to look back on their educational system and ask why am I not prepared to see thru what is going on.

Heck Obama had not even submitted a bill before he was demanding it be passed. Shameless!!!

Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

pastor, if you weren't a big time bundler for the Mope's 2008 campaign, you're out of luck.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

"Since many of the Wall St protesters are being bussed in and paid"

Someone learned this tool from Tea Party founders Koch bothers and Walton's(Wal-Mart). Not only do these money sources fund Tea Party objectives they fund a lot of other anti american RINO movements.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

Face it folks Tea Party and and all of the other anti american RINO thinkers fear employment of the USA. For it is their fraud and crime that have brought america down. Between Reagan/Bush home loan scam and Bush/Cheney home loan scam plus outsourcing american jobs the USA does not stand a chance.

Putting america back to work and creating new USA industry which creates new wealth for the nation would put those anti american thinkers out of office for a very long time hopefully forever. The RINO's greatest fear.

Let's do it!

The People’s Budget eliminates the deficit in 10 years, puts Americans back to work and restores our economic competitiveness. The People’s Budget recognizes that in order to compete, our nation needs every American to be productive, and in order to be productive we need to raise our skills to meet modern needs.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

Mike Ford 3 years, 2 months ago

hey math....I remember the Bush tax dividend bribery a decade ago that I donated to the Pelathe Center and the Lawrence Indian United Methodist Church because someone has to look out for others....one would expect a bunch a religious wingnuts to act like christians and share but instead they have theirs and they do their dumb prosperity prayers and treat everyone else in a very un christian way. I am a 41 year old grown preacher's kid and I've seen my share of selfish right wing christians....your people right?????

jafs 3 years, 2 months ago

That used to be true, but I think it's somewhat less true these days, with the increasing bitter partisan nonsense.

"I have it good. I don't want...to jeopardize that in any way"

That's very understandable, and yet many people don't "have it good". I'm doing just fine as well, but I'd rather that more Americans shared in that situation.

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