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Letters to the Editor

Broken promises

November 29, 2011

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To the editor:

All things are connected, but some folks don’t get it.

Recently, the trail of broken promises continues despite Gov. Brownback’s short-lived “apology.” The Kansas Department of Transportation promised not to proceed with the South Lawrence Trafficway until after all litigation is settled. That promise, like so many made before, is broken the moment that keeping it inconveniences those in power. It took barely a week for Brownback’s pledge of a new day in state relations with us to recede back to business as usual.

As a Haskell student, I view the SLT as a hideous wall physically dividing us from a place that I consider sacred. To me, it is the latest in a long history of abuse against the Native American community.

Wall Street takes its name from a wall that was constructed to keep Indians out. It has become a symbol of greed and deafness. The SLT brings similar feelings.

So, I refuse to leave this call for action to the next generation. I take full responsibility for what my generation should be doing now! No longer can I sit on the outskirts of this dominant society and let them destroy our sacred sites in the name of progress and productivity.

The Haskell Wetlands are but one piece of land that is calling for help, but all of this land, all over the world, is asking for representatives. The Trail of Broken Promises Walk is committed to addressing these cries!

Comments

applefarmer 3 years ago

Oh please, I grew up here and I remember that that area was farm land and yes it may of flooded but you expect that living next to a river/stream. I wish that those people who have not grown up here to just keep quite and quit wasting the city and states money.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

Are you more than 100 years old? If not, then your lifespan is too short to have experienced the entire history of this land. Your self-centered snapshot is therefore without value.

The area along the Wakarusa contained more than 17,000 acres of wetlands, the Haskell Wetland being but a small part of that.

But facts are meaningless to the self-centered paver-overs. They want what they want, and they don't care at whose expense it comes.

Armstrong 3 years ago

Facts ? How about this. Wall street was built in Manhattan NY by Dutch settlers to keep the English out. Haskell needs to do a better job of teaching history or at least the correct version of it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

Well, English pirates, as well as Indians. But giving more complete facts wouldn't make the mostly baseless point you wanted to make, would it?

Armstrong 3 years ago

Wrong again. Do some research. The wall was to keep the English out of Manhattan as Englih and Dutch were settlers at war with one another in the 17th century.

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/181.asp#axzz1f6UHRjJl

Now ya know, and look more foolish - again

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

The real facts are that no one knows for certain how it got its name, or if it's even named after a wall, or if that wall was to protect against the English (who had a lot of pirates under hire under the Crown) or Indians, or both.

Not that it really has that much to do with this thread, anyway.

Armstrong 3 years ago

I know I looked it up through a couple sources, even posted one in my response. Didn't bother to read it did ya - thought so. Rule number 1. If you're gonna argue or debate make sure your mouth is loaded before you shoot it off. Unfortunate as it is many frequent posters have lots of powder but no lead.Hint, hint

Liberty275 3 years ago

Clinton Lake is a disgusting made made lake that hinders me from greeting our great Lord when he arises out of the Stull cemetery. I have to drive the long way around to see Satan and half the time he's already gotten bored because the witch and werewolf don't know any good jokes, so he leaves before I can get there.

Lest my meaning be lost among ye, superstition is dumb. All of it.

gudpoynt 3 years ago

awesome! thanks for sharing that.

Liberty275 3 years ago

"There are children in the meadows and wetlands"

Now they are in school learning about the entire planet and not just about the 20 miles around them and fairy stories.

Richard Heckler 3 years ago

In 1971 the State Highway Commission recommended a bypass for Lawrence that would be built south of the Wakarusa River,with no impact on the wetlands. Also in this year the BIA granted Douglas County a right of way for 31st street,which bisects the Wetlands. Haskell received no money for granting a 24 acre easement.

In 1985 Chamber of Commerce Transportation Committee members,county commissioners,developers and other interested parties allegedly met in secret illegally to discuss the trafficway . The County Commission later proposed a southern trafficway route, possibly through the wetlands. On June 7,1985 the Commission announced plans plans for a bond issue to fund the trafficway.

In hopes of forcing the trafficway through local elected officials decided to $52 million on 9 miles of the western leg before the courts rendered a decision in 1996. In 1997 an injunction against further construction was upheld by the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in 1998. In 1998 KDOT essentially declared the project dead.

The rest is history.

IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Bozo says "The area along the Wakarusa contained more than 17,000 acres of wetlands, the Haskell Wetland being but a small part of that."
Where in the world did you come up with 17,000 acres and what is the point? Were they all sacred to the Indians at Haskell?

You mention that the "Haskell Wetlands" were a small part of it - certainly is, as they include what? About 10 acres along 31st Street. And let's not forget that the SLT will not have any significant impact on the "Haskell Wetlands" as they are already isolated from the Baker Wetlands which is, in reality, the location of the SLT. Land owned and managed for 43 years by Baker University.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"Where in the world did you come up with 17,000 acres "

If you knew anything about the natural history of this area, you wouldn't need to ask. The point is that the claim that the area is "farmland, not wetlands" is pure ignorance.

And the so-called Baker Wetlands were transferred from Haskell (inappropriately) and by the pretext under which they were transferred, they can only be used for educational purposes, not sold off for highway construction.

IdahoWinds 3 years ago

AH, but if you understood anything about the transfer you would realize that 1)it wasn't illegal 2)after 30 years Baker received clear title 3)once receiving clear title, without any further limitations, Baker is clear to do anything with the land 4)at the time, if Baker had not received the land...who would have? Would there be anything there for you to be whining about? If not for Baker restoring the farmland, previously wetlands, back to wetland there wouldn't be any Baker Wetlands for you to be jealous of. Why not focus on your own 10 acres along 31st street?

Armstrong 3 years ago

Those pesky facts keep getting in the way of a good rant / poor me story

Armstrong 3 years ago

Patrick, at best you have been given a great deal of misinformation regarding the Baker wetlands. Don't believe everything you hear because most of your information is not accurate. I would suggest a bit of research outside your current source.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"AH, but if you understood anything about the transfer you would realize that"

I understand the transfer quite well. At best, it walked the line of what was "legal," but for folks like you, that's good enough. And if a court rules that the damage is already done, and therefore moot, you'll crow about how that justifies paving over Haskell's Wetlands.

"If not for Baker restoring the farmland, previously wetlands, back to wetland there wouldn't be any Baker Wetlands for you to be jealous of. "

And Baker only did that because the transfer of such property from Indian control required that it be used for educational purposes-- that is, until Baker got $8 million to pave it over.

IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Patrickfreeland confidently proclaims there are Indian children buried in the Wakarusa/Haskell/ Baker Wetlands. He does this either because he blindly and naively believes everything that Chuck Haines "taught him" or he knows enough "western science" to know that you can never prove a negative to be incorrect. Patrick knows that it is extremely unlikely that any grave will ever be found and thus it can never be "proven" to be an incorrect statement. So Patrick, the brave one from a distance, will you be joining Bozo and Tuschie on their "Occupy Bulldozer" sit-in in fall 2013 when construction begins or will you just be a paper tiger and continue to write meaningless, baseless, boastful blogs??

IdahoWinds 3 years ago

OK Patrick, I'll oblige you. Not sure how long you were in L-town nor do we care, but the last I checked from "just walking around", neither L-town, nor the teenie, tiny Haskell Wetlands were in the center of of Kansas. The "tiny Wetlands" that are in the center of Kansas are Cheyenne Bottoms and Quivira - both "man-made" by the way. I am not, contrary to your belief, arguing with those that are trying to defend the wetlands. What I have continued to do is to point out the difference between fact and fiction about these and other wetlands. So far you have not shared any facts with us, only fiction. So I take it that what you are really telling us is that you "know" there are unmarked graves out there because you have located some of them thru your "walk-arounds" and visits with elders. And this same "warm, spiritual feeling" that you had when walking around the Baker Wetlands has emboldened you to proclaim how little the rest of us know about reality and the completion of K-10 on 32nd st. It is good to see you have a positive attitude about a "successful conclusion" of this issue, too bad it doesn't include any rational compromise or even an inkling of rational thought about how can HINU benefit from putting this road in; such as improved noise walls, increased wetland area along old 31st, improved pedestrian access from campus to the Baker Wetlands. Any of those would benefit the students of HINU and yet ALL seem to be off the table while the law suit continues to bumble along. Well, good luck with your continued fake sense of calm come fall 2013 when construction begins.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

Translation-- there are no gravestones, so pave it over.

hujiko 3 years ago

Translation-- After 30 years of obstructionism there still is absolutely no evidence of any human remains in the wetlands, so we'll just keep repeating this lie until we force ourselves to believe it.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

Oh, come on. You don't give a damn about facts. All you want is your pavement and five minutes of convenience.

hujiko 3 years ago

Bozo-

I do care about facts. If in fact there were some human remains in the wetlands, your argument would have merit. Without indisputable evidence proving your case, continuing to repeat it is blatantly lying to yourself and others.

All you want is to feel as though you own the moral high ground by ridding yourself of white guilt via obstructing the SLT.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"If in fact there were some human remains in the wetlands, your argument would have merit."

The people of Haskell say there are graves out there, and there really isn't any reason to disbelieve them-- unless you really don't give a damn, and value pavement and convenience over respect for Haskell, the rightful owners of those wetlands.

hujiko 3 years ago

"Without indisputable evidence proving your case, continuing to repeat it is blatantly lying to yourself and others."

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

"you really don't give a damn, and value pavement and convenience over respect for Haskell,"

hujiko 3 years ago

As someone I agree with on almost every subject despite this one, you sir are quite ridiculous.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years ago

There's a simple solution-- go south of the river.

thebigspoon 3 years ago

"Translation--there are no gravestones nor evidence of graves, so pave it over." Fixed it for you.

IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Bozo sez "The people of Haskell say there are graves out there, and there really isn't any reason to disbelieve them-- "

This is the statement by a guy who claims to only deal in facts.... What part of that statement is fact? It is a fact that people at Haskell say there are graves. This does not make it fact. The belief that there are graves, as I understand it, is based on the fact that over 400 Indian children disappeared off of the roll books. That is fact. To conclude they are all (or even some) buried in the wetlands is not based on any facts in evidence. The anthropologist that did the study for Fed Highway and KDOT however, provided a perfectly good alternative explanation for the "disappearance" of those names and it was based on verbal evidence from tribal members....and there really isn't any reason to disbelieve them--!

But we understand, Bozo. You have a tommahawk to grind , and even though it is not based on any factual evidence, you will continue to quote it as fact, if for no other reason than it fits your argument that the road should go south of the river. Are you even remotely aware of the rationale (factually based I might add) that the Corps chose (and later Fed Highway agreed to) to choose 32nd st. If you were, you might actually understand why 32nd st is so much better in the longer run for the Wakarusa/Haskell/Baker Wetlands. But the fact that you don't indicates that you are dealing strictly with emotions and rumors and not facts.

IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Bozo mumbles: "And if a court rules that the damage is already done, and therefore moot, you'll crow about how that justifies paving over Haskell's Wetlands." Wait, am I confused? The last I checked the 32nd St alignment it doesn't touch any property owned by the Bureau of Indian Affairs and administered on behalf of Haskell Indian Nations University, therefore NONE of the "paving" will occur on Haskell's Wetlands. Can you use "FACTS" to clarify?

...and bozo mumbles again: "And Baker only did that because the transfer of such property from Indian control required that it be used for educational purposes-- that is, until Baker got $8 million to pave it over." Wait, I am confused even more! The last I checked the 32nd St alignment it will impact less than 56 acres of Baker's property and the remaining 517 acres or 90% of it (573 - 56 = 517 or 90.2%) will not be paved. Therefore your statement is missing any facts. Another little tidbit you conveniently overlooked is that Baker could have used the property for educational purposes without restoring the land back to wetlands. No one paid them to do it, so why did they do that? During the process of restoration, Baker moved a lot of dirt without exposing any unmarked graves and without any protests from HINU students or faculty. Hmmmm?

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