Archive for Sunday, November 13, 2011

Legislature will have plate full of meaty issues

Men recently deported from Arizona wait in line to be registered with Mexican authorities April 28 at the border in Nogales, Mexico. Illegal crossings from Mexico into Arizona have increased this year as Arizona takes immigration enforcement into its own hands under a controversial new law, U.S. Border Patrol statistics and accounts from migration monitors in Mexico indicated.

Men recently deported from Arizona wait in line to be registered with Mexican authorities April 28 at the border in Nogales, Mexico. Illegal crossings from Mexico into Arizona have increased this year as Arizona takes immigration enforcement into its own hands under a controversial new law, U.S. Border Patrol statistics and accounts from migration monitors in Mexico indicated.

November 13, 2011


Gov. Sam Brownback has promised to tackle just about every major aspect of state government in the legislative session that starts in January.

“It’s a big session, but we have a lot of needs,” Brownback said recently.

Asked if it may be a good time to ask the Republican-dominated Legislature to refrain from the controversial issues of immigration and abortion, Brownback, a Republican, said, “They’ll decide what they want to do on topics. We have a full-load agenda for the Legislature.”

On the issue of immigration, a group of Protestant and Catholic leaders has asked the Legislature to leave the matter to the federal government.

But Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Republican and national leader on passing anti-illegal immigration legislation in multiple states, said that isn’t going to happen.

There will be legislation aimed at stopping illegal immigration in Kansas during the 2012 session, Kobach said.

“I think one of the reasons is that there is just so much demand for it from constituents,” he said.

Also, he said, an E-Verify bill that has failed in the past in the Kansas Legislature is more likely to gain acceptance because of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in May that upheld an Arizona law that requires employers use the E-Verify database system to check the immigration status of their workers.

During the 2011 session, legislation similar to another Arizona anti-illegal immigration law, and a bill to repeal in-state tuition for some undocumented students, was under consideration. Kobach has been a driving force behind both measures.

But advancement of those bills ground to a halt amid a national furor about remarks made by state Rep. Virgil Peck, R-Tyro. During a House Appropriations Committee meeting, Peck compared illegal immigrants to feral hogs and said perhaps the state should shoot them from helicopters.

He later said he was joking and then apologized under pressure from Republican leaders.

In the 2012 session, Brownback will forward to the Legislature proposals to make major changes in taxes, Medicaid and school finance, in addition to the annual fight over state spending. All are guaranteed to generate much discussion. And the Legislature will also deal with funding problems with the public pension system, and the once-a-decade process of redrawing congressional, legislative and State Board of Education district boundaries.

But Kobach said he doesn’t see anti-illegal immigration legislation getting crowded out because of all the other issues. The Legislature, he said, “can multitask.”


Shelley Bock 6 years ago

I have no idea if this occurrence was strategically planned, but the ad immediately below this article was "Immigration To Canada - Do You Want To Emigrate To Canada? Take Our Free Visa Assessment Now!". Maybe a random placement for me, but darned funny.

I wonder if the Journal-World is trying to tell us something. "Get out of Kansas now and save yourselves"? And, I'm not implying that this is what any presently illegal individual living in Douglas County should do. Rather, for the sane citizens who can see the potential damage that may be forthcoming.

jayhawkinsf 6 years ago

California has more people than Canada. Given the size differential, it boggles the mind. There has been much discussion about whether an immigrant comes here legally or illegally. What is not discussed much, but should be, is how many immigrants should be allowed in. At some point, the sheer volume becomes overwhelming.

mloburgio 6 years ago

Asked if it may be a good time to ask the Republican-dominated Legislature to refrain from the controversial issues of immigration and abortion, Brownback, a Republican, said, “They’ll decide what they want to do on topics.

American Legislative Exchange Council and the Koch brother's decide what the kansas legislature will start working on next. Worker and Consumer Rights Tort Reform and Injured Americans Privatizing Schools and Higher Ed Policy Health, Pharmaceuticals and Safety Net Programs Environment, Energy and Agriculture Democracy, Voter Rights and Federal Power Taxes and Budgets More tax breaks for the koch brothers Guns, Prisons, Crime and Immigration

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

I think you are forgetting about the liberal organizations like Move On and George Sorros? Remember both side have an agenda they support and fight for...and big money backing them up...

Kathy Theis-Getto 6 years ago

How can you be a "christian" when you condone denying help for the disabled, the poor, the elderly; ensuring those poor children do not receive a good education and making sure regulations are put into place which will guarantee the destrucion of this beautiful Earth?


kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

socialism and big government always results in the poor getting poorer and you need only look at the environmental policies of the former Soviet Union and China to see that it does not work out for mother earth either. Christians are in favor of helping the poor by giving them the ability to help themselves and encouraging positive family and moral values.

Kathy Theis-Getto 6 years ago

Please answer my question if you can WWJD?

TopJayhawk 6 years ago

He would tell them to get a job, and to take their resposibilities seriously and to stop begging others to support them.
that is what He would do.

The Catholics and Protastants that want unlimited welfare and immigration are way off base biblically.

TopJayhawk 6 years ago

He would also tell them to follow that laws of the State, and to pay their taxes.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

First of all I do not agree with your characterization of what I believe or "condone"! Many times government can do more good by getting out the way and allowing the economy to thrive and create good jobs that will allow people to lift themselves out of poverty! Socialism has been shown to be a dismal failure and those on the left need to face the squalid conditions that were left by the "environmentalists" in the former soviet union! Poverty will destroy the earth and our nation faster than anything else and socialism will lead us down the path of socialism.

pittstatebb 6 years ago

If this article was about the federal gov., or if the post you were replying to was not true in Ks, then you would be correct. However, there is no well financed left wing org. in Ks that is a counterpoint to the far right.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

I guess you need to do a little research and discover how much left-wing money was poured into campaigns for Democrats especially to defeat former Attorney General Phill Kline! There has been no wont of liberal agenda money coming into Kansas only very recently!

pittstatebb 6 years ago

And who is our AG, and what party does he represent.

Jayhawk1958 6 years ago

"I think one of the reasons is that there is just so much demand for it from constituents,” he said.

So you did a scientific poll then Kobach?

WilburNether 6 years ago

The "group of Protestant and Catholic leaders" should be lecturing the government of Mexico about providing for its people. That's their responsibility, not ours.

TopJayhawk 6 years ago

Absolutley correct. the Bible does not tell us to support breaking our laws. the Bible does not tell us to support those who will not work. And the Bible does tell us that it is necessary to support ourselves, and those in our families and in our Church's, if they have no family. these Catholic and Protestant leaders should try reading their Bibles for themselves instead of just being told what to think by their minders in the regional offices. (which also is not biblical). They generally have no clue.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

Oh--really-- I guess we cannot ever refer to the Bible or we are a "nut"--sounds like anti-Chritian religious bigotry on your part to me.!

JayhawkFan1985 6 years ago

The Great Leap Backward and Cultural Revolution led by the far right in this state continues. Next stop third world status for this state.

Terry Sexton 6 years ago

Hey, Rushy, you should have just called your comment 'the same tired, less than clever insult i've beaten to death every day.'

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

Spoken like a true liberal--but most Kansans agree with the conservative view on most issues--so I guess us regular people support the conservative social agenda being led by the elected leaders of Kansas.

headdoctor 6 years ago

Which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that most Kansas Republicans are to stupid to be voting. Maybe you should look up what a conservative view is. Many of the Republicans in power are not even close to a conservative view. The Republican party left true a conservative platform quite some time back. In many ways they are just as socialist as many of the Democrats. The only real difference is in who the beneficiaries are.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

Really--you believe the GOP is "socialist" I think you need to review the facts-- reduce the size of State government and reinforce the traditional family unit so people can help themselves--it is the same agenda supported by former president Ronald Reagan and it is conservative not at all socialist!

headdoctor 6 years ago

There is very little to the modern Republicans that resemble Ronald Reagan. Even though Conservatives don't want to hear it. Reagan was at best a very loose moderate and utilized many liberal principles. I wont argue that he did accomplish some conservative actions but then one could also say that President Obama has done the same. Reagon's idea of traditional family support isn't even in the same sunlight that the current bunch are trying to push through. I might be able to look at the Republicans in a different light if they didn't support and feed from the various socialist programs. Frankly, if it looks like duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck. It is duck. Sorry to ruin your high on what you think is conservative.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

Certainly not all protestants and Roman Catholics agree with there leaders as they advocate a liberal open border agenda.

Brock Masters 6 years ago

People in general love to pick and choose when they agree with the church and when they don't. In this case the liberals are pointing and say look, the church is against the state enforcing immigration laws, we should listen to them. But, watch them wail when the church comes out against abortion - then the church is not to be listened to.

What Catholic or Protestant Churches want in regards to illegal immigration is irrelevant. It is a crime that should be stopped like all other crimes. If the law is bad then change the law, but don't tell the state not to try to protect its people from a crime.

question4u 6 years ago

"...the liberals are pointing and say look, the church is against the state enforcing immigration laws, we should listen to them."

Good job of beating a straw man! By what stretch of logic does having the same opinion as someone on an issue equate with advocating their point of view as opposed to your own?

Brock Masters 6 years ago

Beating a straw man? What the heck does this mean?

In fact, what are you trying to say?

Richard Heckler 6 years ago

What church comes out against abortion?

Republicans for Choice - If abortion rights are gone we stand to lose our rights about childbearing

The GOP became the Party of Big Spending, Big Government Buttinskys who proceeded to try and control our lives from cradle (attacks on a woman's right to choose and restricting stem cell research) to grave (Terri Schiavo)

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

The dismemberment of the unborn is something the Republican party does stand against! I am proud of the GOP for taking that principled stand against abortion as a method of birth control!

tbaker 6 years ago

Large-scale illegal immigration will end only when America's immigration system offers a legal alternative. The fact that 400,000 to 500,000 foreign-born workers join the U.S. labor force illegally each year indicates the general magnitude of how much demand exceeds the supply of available, legal workers in the US labor market. One of the main sticking points causing congress to fail on this topic for decades is union leaders pressuring democrats to require that temporary workers be paid "prevailing wages" aka, artificially high, union-level wages rather than market wages. Of course this is recipe for continued failure, since many of the jobs filled by immigrant workers are low-skilled, low-wage jobs that would simply not exist in the legal economy if union-level wages were mandated. Getting congress to pass a law that forces the INS to issue 400-500K more guest worker visas than they currently issue means letting the labor market (not the union lobbyists) set the wages.

In the mean time, these poor people pay scumbag smugglers $2,000, and risk robbery and/or death in the desert, and live outside the protection of US law in some shadowy existence in the underground U.S. economy, unable to leave and return freely to visit their home. Not to mention, pay zero into the social welfare system that has driven many states to the brink of bankrupcy.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

Most of us support legal immigration and oppose illegal immigration! We believe that those who follow the law should be rewarded with citizenship and not simply those who defy our laws and enter the country in violation of her laws! Someone who has waited on the list for years to come in should not be run-around by another who has come here in violation of the law.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

yes--a total supporter of legal immigrants--but i am in total opposition to illegal immigration.

lucky_guy 6 years ago

HUH? What union does a walnut picker or a beet cutter belong to? I think this meme that labor unions are the bad guys in this is quite hilarious. Come on it was the republican congress that wouldn't let Bush II have a guest worker program back in the day. Labor unions had nothing to do with that. Labor unions have nothing to do with this, specially in KS. What big bad union drives wages around here, must be the NEA since the teachers union is the only one you haven't blamed yet. Lowering wages isn't going to help anyone 'cept some truck farmer with a couple sections of lettuce to pick before winter. Why do you think that the illegals pay nothing into the social welfare system? They buy food clothes so they pay sales taxes and if there employers aren't completely corrupt(a leap of faith) then payroll taxes are taken out as well that will not be refunded.

Mixolydian 6 years ago

E-verify is a welcome legislative action. Hit the employers on illegal aliens in their employ.

pittstatebb 6 years ago

So why has our Republican House/Senate not passed it in the past?

Brock Masters 6 years ago

Because associations representing farmers like the Kansas Farm Bureau and the Kansas Livestock Association oppose it.

Richard Heckler 6 years ago

Meaty issues should be jobs and public education funding. That should keep them busy for years.

Thus far this admin has eliminated more jobs by way of funding cuts and lay-offs. RINO's like to cut the number of state employees down so the state does not have enough enforcement people around which is = to defacto deregulation.

RINO's also live an illusion. They believe smaller government is fewer people on the payroll while increasing government intrusion which = expanded government.

The other RINO illusion would be pretending to reducing the cost of government by way of handing out tax dollar funded contracts to private industry to do government work. Yet our tax bills never shrink and taxpayers are subjected to fraud many times.

Now I get it. The more tax dollars private industry is awarded the more money comes back into special interest campaign cookie jars. We taxpayers get duped frequently.

Brittanicus 6 years ago

MANDATORY E-Verify! —The only way to illegal immigration salvation?

Instead of going into the contentious issues of a hundred billion dollars plus spent on supporting the illegal immigration invasion; the overcrowded schools, the free hand-outs of health care treatment and criminals arriving here, the instant citizenship for children of illegal parents, so they can get welfare and a foothold in America.--MANDATORY E-Verify can solve the majority financial problems, by enacting the 'LEGAL WORKFORCE ACT' (bill H.R.2885) It has taken years through complete indifference by our politicians, to get in this political mess. We will not get out of this mess overnight. But Rep. Smith's sponsored law is gaining momentum, as he only needs 43 more supporters. Those not working and want a job should get into the action and phone 202-224-3121. This is the Washington switchboard that can direct you to all House Representatives responsible for moving Chairman Lamar Smith's ‘Legal Workforce Act’ (bill H.R.2885) to the house floor. E-Verify main empowerment, causing self-deportations. Simply speaking--if you cannot be verified through E-Verify, then you cannot be hired. If you are flagged, your option is to rectify the problem by talking to the Social Security administration people. THIS WILL DISPLACE ILLEGAL WORKERS FROM JOBS NATIONWIDE, ALLOWING CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENTS TO TAKE THEIR PLACE.

Become a TEA PARTY member and see what you can do to halt this economic chaos, with billions of dollars annually going as free public assistance, to illegal aliens who break our laws. The TEA PARTY will enforce our immigration laws and construct the fence(s) as originally enacted in 2006. Thousands of Hispanics have joined the TEA PARTY, whose families go back generations. Only the households that have something to hide are moving towards the Obama administration. People, who respect the laws of the land, have no commitment to illegal immigration and are adamantly opposed to even their own race, color, faith if they broke the law. Just because you are a true Democrat and not linked to Liberal extremist agendas, you can still believe in the right course for America.

The Tea PARTY is resolute in returning certain copious agencies to State control. Shut down the IRS as it is now, and ‘deep six’ the bloated Tax Code and introduce it, with no deduction, no special interest deductions, no overseas tax refuge, no exemption—but a fair and equitable tax for all. Everybody pays and no child tax deductions of $ 4.2 billion dollars, through fraud; most unlawful aliens families have never paid a penny in taxes, but still get tax deductions. Illegal Immigration has devastated our entitlement programs; ask any legal Senior citizen in California, Arizona, Alabama, Georgia, Nevada, South Carolina who have suddenly found their state medical care and supplementary income has been drastically lowered, especially in heavy concentrations of foreign nationals.

pittstatebb 6 years ago

Nowhere in your copy and paste rant did you offer any factual evidence to back your point. A simple Google search would have found this:

Which says that illegal immigration has a small but not insignificant negative effect on tax collections.

As a point of self disclosure, I believe anyone who signs a pledge giving up one of their duties assigned by the constitution is not qualified to hold office. Not that I am against cutting federal spending, but signing a pledge is one of two things: plain stupid, or done solely to get elected by a plain ignorant electorate. So you can say that I am a conservative that is anti Taxed Enough Already (are we really, history is a hard thing to overlook).

Brittanicus 6 years ago

I think that just everybody is in agreement in expediting the highest professor skilled immigrants, who will have a specialized position and a great advantage to this land. They will not become a welfare yoke around the neck of taxpayers. However, I cannot find any inducement for low income or low skilled workers or just uneducated people, who believe that by just arriving here through illegal means, give them a right to steal jobs or become another unfortunate that taxpayers must carry.

Be vigilant when voting as our government is ignoring that illegal aliens are voting and could be grossly detrimental in close races. This is perjury and is prosecuted with fines and prisons, but Democrats and liberals overlook this law. Honest voters should be aware of this in either party or aid in eliminating this outrageous surge in ‘Voter Fraud’ and groups like ACORN, who have used forged registrations. Criminal Absentee ballots should be of major concern to every citizen in our Representative Democracy.

Attn: Jack Abramoff (Casino Jack) who has recently been released from prison, needs to release the names of the very people he corrupted inside the beltway. Hundreds of millions of dollars for favors changed hands and the US taxpayer should know. In addition there are rumors of ‘Insider Trading’ by the both parties, gaining those handsome rewards—not available to members of the public. A non-political equitable committee should be formed into delve into the rot of unfettered corruption, which resides in Washington. Learn more about corruption at Judicial Watch.

Flap Doodle 6 years ago

The current regime is second to none when it comes to rewarding donors with our money. "...Nevertheless, a large proportion of the winners were companies with Obama-campaign connections. Indeed, at least 10 members of Obama’s finance committee and more than a dozen of his campaign bundlers were big winners in getting your money. At the same time, several politicians who supported Obama managed to strike gold by launching alternative-energy companies and obtaining grants. How much did they get? According to the Department of Energy’s own numbers ... a lot. In the 1705 government-backed-loan program, for example, $16.4 billion of the $20.5 billion in loans granted as of Sept. 15 went to companies either run by or primarily owned by Obama financial backers—individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party..." Send Barry back to his mob-financed Chicago mansion. Do it for American taxpayers!

Katara 6 years ago

You do understand that this article is about the Kansas Legislature, right?

Our Governor has hired a lot of nice highly paid positions from buddies in Florida rather than award fully qualified Kansans those positions.

Carol Bowen 6 years ago

"But Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Republican and national leader on passing anti-illegal immigration legislation in multiple states, said that isn’t going to happen."

Is Kris Kobach really a national leader, or does he just convince our local media that he is a national leader? I haven't noticed any leadership skills.

Carol Bowen 6 years ago

"In the 2012 session, Brownback will forward to the Legislature proposals to make major changes in taxes, Medicaid and school finance, in addition to the annual fight over state spending. "

Scott, "annual debate" would be better than "annual fight". There have been years where tensions have not been as high as this year. There's no track record of annual fights. And this year does not need the news media to increase tensions before the events. Report what did happen, not what will happen.

Paul R Getto 6 years ago

"Is Kris Kobach really a national leader" === Leading various states into endless, expensive and probably pointless legal battles, he is.

handley 6 years ago

Our state elected really listen to their constituents don't they.

headdoctor 6 years ago

Start a petition for it if you think you can get 40% of the voters who voted last time to sign within 90 days to make it valid. If your serious and not just on a rant, go for it. Make the system work.

kansanjayhawk 6 years ago

You must be a liberal because most conservative Kansans support Brownback as he seeks to reform our tax code, eliminate waste from government, and uphold traditional family values. Mr. Brownback is doing a fine job cleaning up after the last couple of left-wing Democrat governors!

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