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Brownback defends abortion insurance restrictions

May 31, 2011

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— Gov. Sam Brownback on Tuesday defended his approval of a bill that prohibits insurance companies from offering abortion coverage unless the procedure is necessary to save the woman’s life.

“The abortion debate is a difficult one,” said Brownback, an anti-abortion Republican who has signed several anti-abortion measures this year.

“There are a number of people that do not believe it is appropriate to use taxpayer dollars for abortion. There are a number of people, they don’t want it in their insurance policy that they are paying for and that is the issue that came up in the Legislature, and the Legislature passed it and I signed it,” Brownback said.

The Kansas chapter of the National Organization for Women will conduct a news conference on the south steps of the Capitol at 11 a.m. Wednesday — the official end of the 2011 legislative session — to denounce recently approved abortion bills and the comments made by a legislator during debate of the abortion-insurance measure.

“Kansas NOW is tired of legislators, who in efforts to pass their moral agenda, ignore the horrfiying reality of crimes such as rape,” the group said in a statement.

The Kansas NOW has criticized state Rep. Pete DeGraaf, R-Mulvane, for comments he made during debate in the House on May 13.

During debate, Rep. Barbara Bollier, R-Mission Hills, noted that abortions would not be covered for cases of rape and incest.

According to a report by The Associated Press, DeGraaf responded, “We do need to plan ahead, don’t we, in life?”

Bollier then asked, “And so, women need to plan ahead for issues that they have no control over with pregnancy?”

DeGraaf then said, “I have a spare tire in my car. I also have life insurance. I have a lot of things that I plan ahead for.”

Kansas NOW has asked for $5 donations to deliver model tires to DeGraaf. The group said it has received $3,000 in donations from across the country.

Starting in July, individuals and employers who want abortion coverage would have to buy additional policies that cover only abortion.

In addition, the law also states that no state or federally administered health-insurance exchange in Kansas established under the federal health care overhaul law can offer coverage for abortions, other than to save a woman’s life.

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Killing a child will never make a rape go away and will never make the woman better or healed. One wrong does not justify another wrong and violence begets violence.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 10 months ago

Meet todays Republican Party: The neocon christian fundamentalists are not necessarily a friend to women or families for that matter. They want to rule the world and women's bodies.

Anti-Abortion Groups Push To Outlaw Contraceptives By Redefining Personhood

Saturday 4 June 2011 by: Marie Diamond, ThinkProgress

A fringe anti-abortion group, Personhood USA, has been startlingly successful at pushing forward legislation across the country that would redefine life as beginning at the moment of fertilization, effectively outlawing contraceptives like birth control pills.

Although the medical community has long been in agreement that fertilization does not mark the beginning of a pregnancy — fertilized eggs must first be implanted, and only about half of fertilized eggs actually result in a pregnancy — a growing number of lawmakers are supporting Personhood USA’s efforts to buck medical expertise and legally define life as the moment a sperm meets an egg.

If they succeed in passing such a law — and if such a law survives judicial scrutiny — it could turn common forms of birth control into the legal equivalent of a homicide.

While “personhood” laws have always been a transparent attempt to outlaw abortion, the legislation supported by groups like Personhood USA goes much further in trying to assert government control over women’s bodies.

These laws would recognize every fertilized egg as an individual and complete human being with full rights, and place millions of women in legal jeopardy. According to 2008 numbers, around 11 million American women use birth control pills and another 2 million use intrauterine devices (IUDs).

Contraceptives like the pill and IUDs not only act to prevent fertilization, but, if fertilization does occur, may prevent that fertilized egg from implanting in a woman’s uterus. Personhood USA considers this tantamount to abortion, and wants to make it a punishable offense for women to control their own fertility.

More to this story: http://truthout.org/anti-abortion-groups-push-outlaw-contraceptives-redefining-personhood/1307204357

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

The bottom line is that abortion will never make one rape better or less violent. The fact is also that abortion is the violent dismemberment of the unborn child and that our insurance premium dollars should never be asked to pay for this act of violence that many of us wish to see outlawed so that the unborn child is once again protected by the law.

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William Weissbeck 2 years, 10 months ago

What about the over use of antibiotics to treat viruses. That raises my insurance rates and is against accepted science. Shouldn't my legislature help me avoid unnecessary expenses caused by the stupid and the uninformed? What about IVF treatments? In some states like Illinois it is mandated that group insurance policies provide coverage. Even though there are some that disagree. Without some generally accepted basic coverage mandates, employees would be at the mercy and whim of their employers who would seek to reduce coverage for things like mental health or treatment for alcoholism.

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 10 months ago

A lot of women are upset about this.

He caved in to pressure from the extreme right wing. That is not leadership.

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 10 months ago

You cannot defend this law. It only stands as a reminder that Brownback lacks character.

He was spaced out during his presidential campaign and he is spaced out as Governor.

Too bad. I thought he was more than this.

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Centerville 2 years, 10 months ago

Government forcing private insurance companies to cover abortions and forcing taxpayers to buy water (water!) for state employees. A state bureaucracy skimming off the top of NEA grants. What else is under that rock?

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equalaccessprivacy 2 years, 10 months ago

Brownback seems to make a career of defending the indefensible. In Kansas that's a shoo-in.

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Centerville 2 years, 10 months ago

KS Jayhawk 74: You missed a memo from Sibileus: only religious fanatics believe that statutory rape isn't 'Romeo and Juliet". Nothing to see here, Move along.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 10 months ago

"......we do not want to condone this odious killing of the unborn in any way shape or form." === Sorry KJH: If "we" are running the show, then "we" are well on the way to establishing the same kinds of theocracies we are now fighting in the Middle East and which we allegedly conquered in the Renaissance when science came back from the dead. ===== "Perhaps the most significant development of the era was not a specific discovery, but rather a process for discovery, the scientific method.[59] This revolutionary new way of learning about the world focused on empirical evidence, the importance of mathematics, and discarded the Aristotelian "final cause" in favor of a mechanical philosophy." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance

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verity 2 years, 10 months ago

"So why stop at abortion if insurance is ala carte now?"

Hear, hear!

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somedude20 2 years, 10 months ago

So why stop at abortion if insurance is ala carte now? Myself, as well as many I know here in Kansas don't want to pay higher premiums for obese people as I do not condone that slothy lifestyle and find it morally reprehensible and is one of the major costs in healthcare. Cancer should not be covered since so many cancers are caused by lifestyle choices that I and many have problems with (yes some cancer is no ones fault but then neither is rape or incest) Before you say, "hey, abortion hurts another unlike fatness and cancer" remember what your leader said "There are a number of people that do not believe it is appropriate to use taxpayer dollars for abortion. There are a number of people, they don’t want it in their insurance policy that they are paying for and that is the issue that

For having zero, 0, nil, proof of ANY "god" being real, he/she sure gets a lot of power over us

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beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

So by how much will premiums now be lowered for all state employees?

If "not spending taxpayer funds" is the issue, then that savings will go back to the workers, correct?

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Fixed_Asset 2 years, 10 months ago

Hear! Hear! Paul. A man of my dreams, you are.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 10 months ago

"...It is often thought that the Christian Church has always been passionately opposed to abortion, but this isn't in fact the case. Up until the Inquisition, the Catholic Church generally regarded contraception and abortion as wrong, but not as unforgivable, grievous sins. Even as late as 1679, Pope Innocent XI said in a Papal Bull that "It is lawful to procure abortion before ensoulment of the fetus lest a girl, detected as pregnant, be killed or defamed. It seems probably that the fetus (as long as it is in the uterus) lacks a rational soul and begins first to have one when it is born; and consequently it must be said that no abortion is homocide." http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/177016.html === This is a tough issue, but not as clear-cut as some imagine. Birth control and abortion strategies can be found in much ancient literature. The modern iteration (not based on most traditional theology, but whatever.........) seems to be: 1. We, the Radical Religious Right, have chosen a skygod from the many available; 2. Our imaginary friend has blessed the zygotes, because we said so; 3. Therefore we will seek to preserve all pregnancies in the name of this skygod; 4. The kicker: once you are born, you are on your own. This is a medical issue and all abortions are tragedies. But, government has no business sticking their noses into private enterprise or a woman's womb.

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Richard Payton 2 years, 10 months ago

Which insurance company offers this rape insurance? Obama Care will offer abortion coverage in 2014. So does this law only apply for a few years in Kansas? Does Brownback hope that the federal health coverage gets defeated in the Supreme Court? Can a woman or man sue the State of Kansas if they get rape and no insurance company offers rape insurance? I don't know any insurance company wanting to carry this rider do you?

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kansanjayhawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Abortion is never safe for the unborn. It is the brutal killing and dismemberment of the child within the womb. "SAFE" is not something it relates to.

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verity 2 years, 10 months ago

The issue for most of us is the fact that they are trying to put every blockade they can to legal abortions and the end result they want is to make all abortions illegal. So we keep trying to put out the brush fires.

My belief is that life begins at viability. I have seen no scientific or philosophical evidence to the contrary.

Keep abortion safe and legal!

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verity 2 years, 10 months ago

I don't want my tax money paying for wars that I morally object to.

I don't want my tax money paying for Brownback to import Florida's bad government.

I don't want my tax/insurance money paying for the care of people who refuse to wear helmets when they ride motorcycles or who drive when they are under the influence.

I don't want my tax/insurance money paying for a lot of things that I don't agree with and think are immoral. Are abortions the only thing we can object to morally? Besides the fact that the abortion argument is mostly wrong anyway---and has been shown to be so many times on these boards.

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denak 2 years, 10 months ago

Here are my thoughts about all of this:

1) It is disingenious of NOW/Planned Parenthood to always trot out the "rape and incest" card anytime there is legislation regarding abortion. Rape and incest make up 1% of ALLabortions in this country. The health of the mother is approximately another 6%. To try to paint this legistlation as an attack on females who have been raped or are pregnant as a result of incest is dishonest. Rape victims can obtain emergency contraception at a hospital if they are raped or go to their doctors or even go to Planned Parenthood if they need help. This legislation does not make any of those options go away.

2) As for DeGraff's comment, I think he could have worded his answer a little differently but the fact remains is that people DO have to plan for the worst. That is the whole reason for insurance. I get insurance through my employer. However, I don't get every disease covered in full. I have the option of carrying cancer insurance. It isn't discriminatory for my employer to only offer this as an option. Anymore than it is discriminatory for an employer to have an abortion option. If a person knows that they are high risk due to their health, or they feel strongly that they should have this option, should it be needed, then they should pay for it especially if it is an elective procedure as roughly 94% of all abortions are.

Lastly, people need to stop with the "sky if falling" scenarios. If abortion should lose its status as a federal right, it does not mean that abortion will become illegal. Abortion would revert back to a state right which is what it was prior to Roe v Wade. The individual states would determine the "how, what, when and where" of the issue which many are already doing, and doing legally, as a result of court cases.

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texburgh 2 years, 10 months ago

For Sam Brownback and the majority of these allegedly "pro-life" legislators, life begins at conception and ends at birth. They will now force women - even victims of rape or incest - to carry a child to term. They then vote repeatedly to cut social services and education to support those mothers and children after the delivery.

They are not "pro-life." Sam Brownback, Pete DeGraaf and others like them are not "pro-life," they are anti-abortion. After the delivery, you are on your own. Welcome to the new American Taliban domination.

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kernal 2 years, 10 months ago

People don't want to pay for others to have abortions? I don't want to pay for people who think it's fine to have children they can't afford and expect the rest of us to take care of their basic needs, which we are morally obligated to do regardless of religious bent. I don't want to pay higher insurance rates for the increasing number of people getting Type II Diabeties because they ignore good health habits. I don't want to pay for needless medications and because people refuse to follow diet and exercise recommendations of health providers.

Yet, pay I will.

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Jimo 2 years, 10 months ago

“The abortion debate is a difficult one,” said Brownback.

Really? Sam has always thought it was a very easy one.

So, to sum up: GOP candidates run in favor of "small" government and once in office start dictating to private companies and private consumers the fine detail of how the two will contract with each other.

There's only one flavor of Republican: the big government variety.

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somedude20 2 years, 10 months ago

Sam Sam Sam, you are trying to overtake the Bush when it comes to being disingenuous and disastrous but at least you can only kill this state unlike the Bush who did his best to make love to the world.

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pizzapete 2 years, 10 months ago

At least they're not calling for people who are molested or have relations outside of marriage to be stoned to death.

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ConMan 2 years, 10 months ago

Same old Lib tactics: 1) someone disagrees with you and they're stupid or fascist, 2) set up straw men like Brownback is ignoring "the horrfiying reality of crimes such as rape." It's Lib judges that let all the rapists go with a slap on the wrists. How about admitting the facts: this law will save human lives!! Way to go, Governor Brownback!!

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Mike1949 2 years, 10 months ago

What are you all complaining about? You conservatives vote this idiot in to office! Until you people wake up and smell the coffee, all of Kansas is going down the crappers!

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Jaminrawk 2 years, 10 months ago

Apparently Sam's goals are to have the next generation of kids born to parents that don't want them and then the state won't pay anything to educate them. Why wouldn't people want to live here?

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Bob_Keeshan 2 years, 10 months ago

"The abortion debate is a difficult one..."

Sorry, but that's about the funniest thing Sam Brownback will ever say. There is nothing "difficult" about the abortion debate for Sam Brownback.

Well, maybe except for the "difficult" decision to sign the bill even though it contained a provision for the life of the mother. But I'm sure next year he'll take care of that gaping loophole as well,

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Jaminrawk 2 years, 10 months ago

On the bright side, he's seems to be grinding on some Republicans now too. I smell one term. At least he'll have fun for 4 years passing laws that reflect his personal agendas rather than serving his state.

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ksjayhawk74 2 years, 10 months ago

Brownback should have included in his statement at what age he thinks parents should start buying rape insurance for their young daughters.

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notanota 2 years, 10 months ago

Notice how he intentionally conflated taxpayer funded and private insurance funded abortion? Real smooth, there, Brownie. Nice way to cover up your big government, business unfriendly legislation.

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Phillbert 2 years, 10 months ago

"Small government conservative" Republicans strike again.

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beatrice 2 years, 10 months ago

His defense is that abortion is a difficult issue?

Gee, really? Any other deep thoughts there governor?

Well, I guess it isn't as difficult as he just made it for rape victims to get an abortion. Remember folks, if you are against abortions in the case of rape, then you are in favor of allowing rapists to choose by force the mothers of their children.

Rulings like this make me see how things like the Taliban become a reality. Religious fanatacism based on an imaginary sky god is bad for mankind.

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mom_of_three 2 years, 10 months ago

I didn't vote for him, but i am stuck with his dumb decisions. And DeGraaf is another numnut.

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Newell_Post 2 years, 10 months ago

If the good people of Kansas had chosen to elect an intelligent small government, financial conservative, I could understand and support it. But their decision to elect this dim-witted theo-fascist is incomprehensible.

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