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BYU hypocrisy

March 9, 2011

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To the editor:

Boo on the sports columnist published in the Journal-World who praised what he called a “shining moment” when Brigham Young dismissed a basketball player for violating the university’s “honor code.”

Its extremist code bans premarital sex, all homosexual sex, the use of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, tea and soft drinks with caffeine, facial hair for men and clothing for women that is sleeveless or cut higher than the knees.

This unfortunate young man was kicked off the basketball team for having sex with his girlfriend. It is a cruel irony that he was punished for dishonorable sexual conduct by a university whose very name honors a polygamist/bigamist who had 55 wives, three of whom were 16 years old when he married them. Consummating those relationships would be considered rape today. Who deserves to feel shame, a college student who makes love with his girlfriend or Brigham Young, the man and the university?

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coloradoan 3 years, 1 month ago

Wow. Your post seems to presume something that may not be true: the bus-loads of people at the casino from SLC may have or may not have been Mormons. SLC has been, as have the other towns in Utah, increasingly diverse. So the busloads may have been non-Mormons. You can;t know just because they were from SLC.

As for the player, he signed a contract and should have known what it meant.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 1 month ago

I find all this a bit disconcerting. The cult leaders of the Mormon Church know damned well that their "flock" prety much ignores all their concocted and fabricated codes of "honor" (coffe, tea, soda, really!!). They have little real control over this, most of the eating establishments in Salt Lake City serve these beverages. The sex thing is a bit more difficult to ignore, but is tossed in with the ridiculous other items. So this little dust up to destroy their university's chances in basketball is a caculated effort to send a "message" to the fawning members that Big Bilious Brother will strike out to do whatever damage they can.

Mormon morality? In my last trip across Utah into Nevada I noted with some wonderment that as I crossed the state line into Nevada, a HUGE casino/gas station at Wendover, Nevada right across the state line. In the parking lot clearly visible from the highway were rows and rows of busses from Salt Lake City carrying loads of those virtuous Mormons to Nevada to gamble in the casino. Not that is anything wrong, but do Mormons sanction their members gambling? I doubt it.

This whole thing just amplifies the hypocricy of all such fabrications and codes concocted by "religious" leaders to try to indoctrinate, intimidate and dominate the psyche of their members and to make sure that the wallets of the "faithful" will continue to open wide over their collection plates.

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LoveThsLife 3 years, 1 month ago

Ted- then don't go to/or support BYU if you have a problem with the honor code.

However, it's their honor code and they have a right to put in that code what they deem important. It is a private university after all.

Brandon Davies knew what he was getting into when he signed up to play for BYU and agreed to live by the honor code. He broke that agreement and had to deal with the consequences.

BYU did the right thing in enforcing their honor code, and Brandon Davies has been a class act through out the whole ordeal.

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Ralph Reed 3 years, 1 month ago

@Cappy. re: your 1257.

One question. How do you know?


@oldvet. re: your 0733.

I agree. I would say that most people don't understand, "We Will Not Lie, Steal Or Cheat, Nor Tolerate Among Us Anyone Who Does."


@all I realize that most here decry information from Wikipedia, but it is a good starting point. Here are a couple comments about BYU. "Brigham Young University (BYU), located in Provo, Utah, United States, is a private, coeducational research university owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)."

Note the words "private" and "owned by the LDS." The church owns the school, so they get to write the rules (charter). It's simple.

"BYU students are required to follow an honor code, which mandates behavior in line with LDS teachings (e.g., academic honesty, adherence to dress and grooming standards, and abstinence from extramarital sex and from the consumption of drugs and alcohol)." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigham_...)

Quite frankly, the young man knew what was expected and chose to violate the honor code. As a result he was dismissed from the roundball team. I would have expected nothing less and do support the coach's decision. (Surprised a lot of you, didn't I.) I know of schools from which he would have been dismissed entirely for violating the honor code.

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somedude20 3 years, 1 month ago

Though, if you can juggle multiple wives and children than you should be able to run the country. Mormons for President!!!! Think of the House and Senate as wives and of course the American people are the children. Can I have five bucks Dad? Moms, Dad said to give me five bucks

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ranger73 3 years, 1 month ago

Ya know what? Back then women didn't have the right to vote either. Slavery was still allowed too.
Keep in mind Lawrence has a trail named for a drug addicted young boy lover named Burroughs, who is a "celebrated" Lawrencian.
This is about breaking a rule. The player knew about it. Knew about it when he signed a letter of intent. He made a decision and now has to suffer the ramifications of that decision, and how it affects those around him. Seems to me a KU player just recently was suspended for breaking a rule. How is this different?

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Kirk Larson 3 years, 1 month ago

The kid admitted to having sex and got suspended. All the players who are lying about it are still playing. There's your "honor code" for ya.

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somedude20 3 years, 1 month ago

I was married once and the thought of having 2-15 wives is more scary than The Exorcist. Women yelling at you about needing more shoes in stereo makes the thought of being eaten alive by ferrets seem pleasurable!

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 1 month ago

If Mr. B. Young were currently a basketball player at BYU, I'd want him held to the same rules as everyone else.

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Brock Masters 3 years, 1 month ago

It is interesting how so many who demand tolerance are so intolerant. Why attack BYU? BYU has committed no crime and what they do does not infringe upon anyone's rights so why attack them for their rules, standards and code?

Live and let live.

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2002 3 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, but the kid signed the code and knew the rules. All students sign the Code. If he didn't want the rules, he should have gone to school somewhere else. I am not a mormon, nor do I believe in what mormons believe in. I also think that it is irrelevant what kid of person Brigham Young or Joe Smith was. But I do believe in honor and keeping commitments. The kid didn't keep his and it cost him and his team mates.

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Kim Murphree 3 years, 1 month ago

Your comments about BYU and polygamy are incorrect. The LDS Church (BYU) does not allow polygamy, and hasn't condoned it for over 100 years. The man you are referring to, started his own church, and loosely referred to 100 year old LDS doctrine, but has nothing to do with BYU or its policies. As for the rules, this is not any different than any private religious school, if you agree to go to college at any of these schools, you are bound to follow the rules. If you don't agree with them, then go to a different college or university. I wouldn't personally qualify for BYU or some of the other restrictive schools, but I support the ability of those institutions to make and enforce rules of conduct. I

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an_actual_mormon 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm a practicing Mormon, and although I'm not a BYU alumnus, I would be thrilled if my children went there one day. Imagine a school where young adults are expected to behave like adults and are held to standards that have withstood the test of time in terms of producing healthy, productive citizens. A real education entails more than attending some classes and receiving a diploma.

Regarding Bozo's comparison of Mormons to the Phelpses, it should be clear to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of Mormon doctrine that God does not hate anyone. While He cannot approve of some behaviors that His children engage in, He loves them, wants them to be happy, and even provides them with instructions on how to live a truly happy life.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 1 month ago

Actually, even among Mormons, polygamy wasn't universally accepted. And its two of its early major leaders, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, were clearly major loons and megalomaniacs who used the notion of "honor" as more of a hypocritical weapon than as a code for righteous living.

In many respects, they were somewhat similar to Fred Phelps. If the Phelpses and their church could found a state the way the Mormons did, you'd probably see a somewhat kinder and gentler mainstream version of Westboro Baptist as the state religion in a few decades.

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oldvet 3 years, 1 month ago

We realize, Ted, that you do not understand what an honor code is... when you choose to belong to an organization and they tell you up front what is expected and what they will do if you break those rules, you are aware of the consequences when you choose to break those rules.

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Stuart Evans 3 years, 1 month ago

Disturbingly, I find nothing odd about this behavior, coming from that institution. Had there been an incident involving reason and intelligent actions, I would have been shocked.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 1 month ago

The laddie knew what the rules were and chose to break them. Pretty much an open and shut case.

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Jackie Jackasserson 3 years, 1 month ago

First - adolescence wasn't recognized as a developmental stage until around 1900. So those 16 year olds were considered adults. It was also common for Mormons to have more than one wife - a culture most of us find at least odd but it was (and in some cases still is) theirs none the less.

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