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Letters to the Editor

Public prayer

June 11, 2011

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Your June 7 edition reports Gov. Brownback will go to Texas to pray in public. I respectfully remind your readers and the governor that, if is he is actually talking to God, he can do it just as well at his kitchen table. So, he must be going for another reason. But, while he is away, thousands of other Kansans will be praying right at home, praying that Brownback soon stops his unilateral attacks on schools, women’s rights, retirees, the handicapped and the arts.

I do agree with Brownback and Texas Gov. Perry that the country is in crisis, but it is not the kind they portray. The crisis is the seemingly endless string of white men in high office praying loudly in public forums and then sinning with abandon in private. (If they aren’t sinning, they sure are cavorting, and usually trampling on their wedding vows.) If my accounting is correct, the disgracement score stands at 11 Republicans and two Democrats. But, it is the right wing Republicans that have a penchant for public prayer.

Let us now recall the quote some attribute to Upton Sinclair about 75 years ago. “When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Comments

Fred Mertz 3 years, 6 months ago

I do think you're accounting is off a little. Not sure who the 11 Republicans are, but I can think of Clinton, Edwards, John Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, Weiner, Rangle, Frank and maybe even good ol' Carter who lusted in his heart.

Truth is, regardless of Republican or Democrat, these politicians who violate their oath of office, abuse their powers and ignore our laws fail all Americans. It is not a party thing, but a power thing.

notaubermime 3 years, 6 months ago

Last 10 years, national office:

Republicans: Chris Lee Mark Souder Don Sherwood Chip Pickering John Ensign Vito Fossella Mark Sanford Larry Craig David Vitter Mark Foley

Democrats: Weiner Edwards Tim Mahoney Eric Massa

By no means exhaustive. Feel free to add any national office affairs.

Bob Forer 3 years, 6 months ago

And remember, these are only the ones arrogant or dumb enough to get caught.

geekin_topekan 3 years, 6 months ago

Clinton-Left the office with very high approval ratings, left the nation in the best economic shape its been in since, smoked pot and did his secretary.

Freakin' your secretary=good for America.

rtwngr 3 years, 6 months ago

Ok. You win. You get the moral high ground. Congratulations.

You have to admit, though, having the name Wiener and then get caught 'tweeting' x-rated pictures of yourself is pretty funny.

Sunny Parker 3 years, 6 months ago

I pray for Brownback to keep making cuts!

geekin_topekan 3 years, 6 months ago

So far he's cut hundreds of jobs. Is that good enough for you? Where are the jobs that BB promised?

Richard Heckler 3 years, 6 months ago

The American Family Association is a political action committee. This Texas Prayer gathering will be praying for special interest campaign donations.

Yes folks this is a political fund raiser NOT sanctioned by God.

Politicians cannot possibly be close to God for they constant sources of evil. Yes including Sam Brownback.

gl0ck0wn3r 3 years, 6 months ago

How do you know god doesn't sanction fund raisers? Just saying...

Katara 3 years, 6 months ago

Because god is too busy listening to Slayer.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 6 months ago

Let us now recall the Governor Sam Brownback!

ignati5 3 years, 6 months ago

How presumptuous and blasphemous it is for politicians like Brownback and Perry to "pray for the nation" in a public forum with fund-raising as its objective. As if the Lord of Hosts would listen to such self-serving drivel.

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

Prayer Bad. Religion bad. Brownback bad. Government Ponzi schemes neat. God, He big joke, besides He dead. Me God in the making. Me big deal.

On a lighter note..... From the net, googling political sex scandals:

*Okay, so this isn’t actually highly scientific. I took the first 10 sex scandals I could think of for each party. I assigned 7s to cases of standard affairs, 10s to cases involving love children, 3s to cases involving sexting, and 5s to cases involving inappropriate touching. As for those bonus points—they’re arbitrary assignments of numbers to details specific to each case. But still, I stand by these results. The Democrats have the worst political sex scandals. Congratulations?

Over at The Daily Beast, curious about the same question, they tallied data and actually crunched numbers from more than 60 political scandals over the past 20 years. They came to the conclusion that while Republicans tend to have a greater quantity of scandals (35 Republican sex scandals, 28 Democratic ones), Demcratic scandals tend to be greater (uh, worse?) in quality, comprising 13 of the top 20 "

appleaday 3 years, 6 months ago

How many are men and how many are women? Also, how many sex scandals occur in people who run as "family values" candidates?

Dan Eyler 3 years, 6 months ago

Yes the governor has cut hundreds of government jobs. THANK YOU! Those horrible mean white guys like the Koch brothers. They have made all of that money and not given a single dime to me or you. In fact I can't think of a single white guy in this the state who has done a single thing good. I mean they may have invested their money in private business and created thousands of jobs in Kansas who happens to have the lowest unemployment in the country right now, but they are evil and white, and rich and mean spirited and want to kill women and children and well you know what I mean. Anyone got suggestions how we get all white men to leave the state?

weeslicket 3 years, 6 months ago

"Kansas...happens to have the lowest unemployment in the country right now,..." assuming this is correct, can you explain why all the trouble with collecting revenue?

deec 3 years, 6 months ago

False, as usual from cons. Ks. is #12 as of April, 2011. http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm Facts. Get to know them.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 6 months ago

You could have linked to this story right here in in the LJ World. They did a few articles on it. Keep drinking the KoolAid, 'faithful.

Orwell 3 years, 6 months ago

Maybe you could lead the way – sort of a latter-day Moses.

Buh-bye.

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

Prayer Bad. Religion bad. Brownback bad. Government Ponzi schemes neat. God, He big joke, besides He dead. Me God in the making. Me big deal.

On a lighter note..... From the net, googling political sex scandals....the following is a quote....

*Okay, so this isn’t actually highly scientific. I took the first 10 sex scandals I could think of for each party. I assigned 7s to cases of standard affairs, 10s to cases involving love children, 3s to cases involving sexting, and 5s to cases involving inappropriate touching. As for those bonus points—they’re arbitrary assignments of numbers to details specific to each case. But still, I stand by these results. The Democrats have the worst political sex scandals. Congratulations?

Over at The Daily Beast, curious about the same question, they tallied data and actually crunched numbers from more than 60 political scandals over the past 20 years. They came to the conclusion that while Republicans tend to have a greater quantity of scandals (35 Republican sex scandals, 28 Democratic ones), Demcratic scandals tend to be greater (uh, worse?) in quality, comprising 13 of the top 20 " Gkerr

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

all, I've flagged to delete this inadvertent double post. Gkerr

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

all, I've flagged to delete this inadvertent double post. Gkerr

Richard Heckler 3 years, 6 months ago

Speaker of the House John Boehner is taking heat for allegations of marital infidelity. The National Enquirer reports that Capitol Hill insiders and political bloggers have been buzzing about an upcoming New York Times probe detailing an alleged affair that Boehner had with Washington lobbyist Lisbeth Lyons.

The National Enquirer cites unnamed “Capitol Hill insiders” and “sources” as saying that Boehner has been having an affair with lobbyist Lisbeth Lyons. While using supermarket tabloids as primary source material is generally frowned upon, the Enquirer was first to break the John Edwards’ infidelity story.

Lisbeth Lyons is the Vice President, Government Affairs for the Printing Industries of America. She is responsible for providing direct advocacy before Congress and the Administration on key industry legislative initiatives, as well as for the strategic direction of the organization’s grassroots and external outreach activities.

According to the Enquirer, Boehner, 61-year-old married father of two, had cheated on his wife Deborah with at least two different women: Lisbeth Lyons and Leigh LaMora, the former press secretary to ex-Colorado Congressman Joel Hefley.

Indeed, an extramarital affair, given the right amount of publicity, is enough to stall the career of any politician.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Scandal: John Boehner, Lisbeth Lyons affair - National Democrat | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/democrat-in-national/scandal-john-boehner-lisbeth-lyons-affair#ixzz1OiGfbcFs

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

Merrill, Clever men who rise to power will have sex when they want or 'need' it whatever that means. Clever men who rise to power are wealthy and want more or are hungry for first wealth and grub power to gain it. Men with power will always use power to get more power, more money, more sex. Party has no great influence on this ancient custom. Oaths of office pledging sacred trust are usually ignored.

David Mamet in his treasure, "The Secret Knowledge", describes it as follows, "We elect the worst on both sides and then marvel that they steal, subvert, waffle, and do every last thing but obey their oath to defend the constitution. They are not elected to 'do we'll, or to 'transform' but to serve, protect, and defend the constitution." Gkerr

sciencegeek 3 years, 6 months ago

Interesting how sex scandals are considered so terrible, but scandals involving money are considered somehow less evil. Particularly considering how many more people are hurt when money is misused.

Maybe that say more about those passing judgment than it does about the perpetrators?

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

Sciencegeek,

Money, sex, power are all of one cloth. They are the spoils of power in the world of man, woman, and Mammon. This is not new, but an ancient story told in history, myth, mirth throughout recorded time. It is simply the way of Man, and will always be the way of man.

The trick is to have enough checks and balances, and democratic oustings to control the fallen angels as best as possible. When that fails tyranny has it's run until the deck is reshuffled. Alas, we are on the cusp of failure. Gkerr

weeslicket 3 years, 6 months ago

imo, the writer of the lte really didn't need the 2nd paragraph.
it became quite a distraction for us.

re-read the letter, but skip the 2nd paragraph. very succinct.

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 6 months ago

Agreed. Actually, I thought the sinning paragraph was going to be about things like concentrating power (and money), abandoning promises to the needy and children, etc. That would have worked for me. But the sex scandal diversion did not.

Ralph Reed 3 years, 6 months ago

Good letter Graham, though I agree, dispense with the second paragraph and the letter is very succinct.

The only fault I find is the misattribution of the quote. It's not Upton Sinclair, but rather misattributed to Sinclair Lewis.

From what I find, "Many variants of this exist, but the earliest incident of such a comment appears to be that of Halford E. Luccock, in Keeping Life Out of Confusion (1938): When and if fascism comes to America it will not be labeled "made in Germany"; it will not be marked with a swastika; it will not even be called fascism; it will be called, of course, "Americanism."

(The above reference is from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sinclair_Lewis. Scroll down to misattributed at the bottom of the page. I know this is wiki, but I don't think Palin supports have bollixed up this article yet.)

You can find Luccock's quote here, (Professor Halford E. Luccock of Yale Divinity School. New York Times article from September 12, 1938, page 15)

Regardless, I fear Prof Luccock's statement was very prophetic and is coming to pass in Kansas, Texas and Arizona. Read "The Family," and you'll find out how far back this process goes. All the way back to union busting and keeping unions discriminatory in the 1940's. Coe is a dangerous man.

weeslicket 3 years, 6 months ago

The only fault I find is the misattribution of the quote. It's not Upton Sinclair, but rather misattributed to Sinclair Lewis.

funny. i mix these two up all the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upton_Si... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair... (highly recommend sinclair lewis's "babbitt") (even goerge will quotes from it!)

steve_robinson 3 years, 6 months ago

"When you pray, don't be like the hypocrites who love to pray publicly on street corners and in the synagogues where everyone can see them. I tell you the truth, that is all the reward they will ever get."

  • Matthew 6:5

Hudson Luce 3 years, 6 months ago

"The remainder of the week's invoice falls under the head of what we term Public Prayers, in which classification we place prayers uttered in Prayer Meeting, Sunday School, Class Meeting, Family Worship, etc. These kinds of prayers have value according to classification of Christian uttering them. By rule of this office, Christians are divided into two grand classes, to wit; (1) Professing Christians; (2) Professional Christians. These, in turn, are minutely subdivided and classified by Size, Species, and Family ... To resume report upon your Public Prayers -- with the side remark, that in order to encourage Christians of your grade and of approximate grades, it is the custom of this office to grant many things to them which would not be granted to Christians of a higher grade -- partly because they would not be asked for: Prayer for weather mercifully tempered to the needs of the poor and the naked. Denied. This was a Prayer-Meeting prayer. It conflicts with Item 1 of this report, which was a Secret Supplication of the Heart. By a rigid rule of this office, certain sorts of Public Prayer of Professional Christians are forbidden to take precedence of Secret Supplications of the Heart. ... " Letter to the Earth, Mark Twain, 1907 http://www.armageddonbuffet.com/lettertoearth.htm

gkerr 3 years, 6 months ago

Papa-Firefly,

".....endless string of white men in high office praying loudly in public forums and then sinning with abandon in private."

Let me fix that for you Mr. Kriker, "......endless string of men and women of all colors, creeds, and ideologies in high office praying , preying, and scolding loudly in public forums and then sinning with abandon in private."

Hypocrites and tyrants come in all genders, colors and creeds, political parties, classes and ideologies. All have bitten the apple deep. If you don't admit that you can admit nothing that might counter your fondest preconceived notions and you are only part of the problem and can not begin to be part of the solution. G Kerr

Centerville 3 years, 6 months ago

Let's see, would I rather have a governor who prays or a governor who throws fundraisers for abortionists? Gee, that's a tough one...

weeslicket 3 years, 6 months ago

yes, centerville. it is a tough one. but, is the choice really prayer vs. abortion??

Brent Garner 3 years, 6 months ago

OK. True, he doesn't have to go to Texas to pray. You are absolutely correct on that one. You may even be correct that this is more fundraiser than prayer breakfast. But, if we are going to condemn this one, why not condemn the ones hosted by black churches for democrat candidates and officer holders? If one is wrong, why is the other not wrong? Or, are we simply showing our anti-religion, anti-conservative bias today?

weeslicket 3 years, 6 months ago

uh, because governor brownback's example exists in countable numbers. and your example exists only marginally (if at all). guess you'll have to ask governor deval patrick (massachusetts).

this is fun: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=us%20governors&xhr=t&q=black+us+governors&cp=5&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&source=hp&aq=0c&aqi=&aql=&oq=blackus+governors&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=b1b3bccdf7105184&biw=779&bih=382

Brent Garner 3 years, 6 months ago

Au contraire, every election cycle black churches have gatherings, particularly for black political candidates, to "endorse" those candidates, raise funds for them, expose them to the congregation, etc. Yet, no one even says "boo" about this. But, let a conservative Christian church denounce a candidate, oppose a democrat/leftist policy, oppose abortion, oppose homosexuality, etc., and the screams for IRS investigation come down like rain from those on the hypocritical left.

weeslicket 3 years, 6 months ago

au contraire bkgarner. the example posited sitting governors of states. not candidates for various offices. do play again later.

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