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Moderation wanes in Kansas as Brownback off to fast start

June 4, 2011

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— For decades in Kansas, a delicate political balance kept the state on a moderate path even as other states in the region turned to the right. Conservatives could cut taxes in flush times. But Democrats and centrist Republicans still freed up money for highways and schools, and a loose coalition worked out compromises.

Those days, it seems, have passed.

And the change has come more swiftly than in other places that were part of last fall’s conservative electoral wave that put new Republican governors or stronger Republican legislatures in charge in half of the nation’s statehouses.

In a mere five months, new Republican Gov. Sam Brownback and likeminded lawmakers have recast the social and fiscal landscape of Kansas and made the state a laboratory for conservative ideas.

Kansas will soon become one of the most difficult places in the country for a woman to obtain an abortion. Its public schools will have much leaner budgets. Its government workers will have smaller pensions or pay more to keep what they have. Several state agencies have been closed or merged. The state will look for ways to spend less on health care for the poor in the Medicaid program. And Kansas will be first state to eliminate funding for the arts.

The legislative session that ended this month will have shoved Kansas away from the socially moderate climate of the Midwest, with Iowa and Illinois, and toward the sharply conservative Southwest of Texas and Oklahoma.

“The ground was very fertile. There hadn’t been a conservative governor in maybe 50 years,” Brownback said in an interview with The Associated Press. “It’s a center-right state. On top of it, you’ve got a revulsion to what’s taking place in Washington.”

Brownback, a conservative Catholic and strong abortion opponent who served 14 years in the Senate, took office in January and moved briskly through a wish list of conservative priorities while new Republican leaders in other states were caught up in legislative fights with similar measures.

Voters’ anger over the recession and government spending set the stage. Democrats and other moderates found themselves overwhelmed. In Kansas, the number of GOP lawmakers grew by 10 percent, making the Legislature three-quarters Republican. Many of the new members were strong conservatives.

“I expected that the Republicans would be more focused on economic issues,” said House Minority Leader Paul Davis, a Lawrence Democrat who was somewhat shell-shocked by the breadth of the agenda Brownback rammed through. “I thought that after the election in November, they would see that the mandate from the voters was to try to get this economy moving and try to create jobs.”

Brownback has gotten almost everything he wanted with little difficulty; his biggest political problem may be meeting the more expansive expectations of some conservatives.

“I want more!” laughed House Speaker Mike O’Neal, a conservative Republican, as he reviewed the session’s work.

In a series of lopsided votes, the Legislature cut overall spending and general aid to public schools about 6 percent, imposed new restrictions on late-term abortions and regulations for clinics and doctors, changed the pension system for state workers, and passed a voter ID law, which is on conservatives’ to-do list nationwide. The measure includes a proof-of-citizenship requirement for people registering to vote for the first time.

Legislators also rewrote income tax laws to help corporations that buy equipment and temporarily suspended income taxes for out-of-state people who moved to Kansas counties with declining populations.

“We’ve got some pretty meaty subjects out there that are not only being looked at, but we’re passing them,” O’Neal said.

The targets of the new action have felt the ground shift beneath them.

“We got our new leadership and our new administration, and it’s just totally different,” said David Reber, a biology and anatomy teacher at Lawrence Free State High School, which is in a district that will lose $3.1 million in general aid. “Public education is not a priority.”

Next comes phase two. Brownback expects to have a plan to overhaul the state’s tax system — and cut income taxes — by the end of the year. Republicans also may change the state pension system for new hires to a 401(k)-style plan.

Brownback and his allies believe in stimulating Kansas’ growth by lowering taxes rather than through investments in government services. They see action on the social issues as being in line with most residents’ values.

Some conservatives say this day has been a long time coming. “I think the government has shifted,” said Roger Hammerschmidt, owner of a trailer and auto parts business in Manhattan, who said state spending had gotten out of hand. “...He is putting us in the right direction.”

Brownback is a big change from previous governors. His immediate predecessors, Kathleen Sebelius and Mark Parkinson, were moderate Democrats. Past Republican governors wanted to protect public schools and some social services even if they had to raise revenue. The traditional Republicans claimed the legacy of Bob Dole, Dwight Eisenhower and Alf Landon.

Politically active evangelical Christians had begun to assert their influence in recent years, but even when they took over the state school board and rewrote testing standards to undermine evolution’s centrality to science, GOP moderates and Democrats eventually managed to undo their work.

Calvin Seadeek, the owner of Council Grove firearms and hunting accessory store, said he’s delighted by Brownback’s changes, but surprised. “He has probably gone a little further than I expected,” he said.

Comments

TheStonesSuck 3 years, 10 months ago

Makes me sick. I'd like to throw out an eff you to KS elected officials. You are ruining our state because of greed and (apparent) stupidity. I can find no redeeming quality to your leadership. Go away, I hate you.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Well all I can say is that when Sebelius was in office I felt the same way...

TheStonesSuck 3 years, 10 months ago

I like the Stones. It's not a reference to the band, though I know it reads that way.

appleaday 3 years, 10 months ago

The term "wanes' implies something gradual. This is more like "moderation is nuked." Not to mention the part of democracy that calls for honest debate.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Honest debate? The liberal agenda has had its run in this state. Remember it was fully funded by one late-term abortionist George Tiller who put millions of dollars on the democratic side. Common-sense has once again prevailed!

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 10 months ago

And yet how did Il Marrone spend all of last week?

Touring the state, touting the jobs being produced by a government spending program funded by a tax increase.

In the end, even Il Marrone knows that you cannot move forward on conservative rhetoric. To produce jobs, you need a moderate plan of government spending.

Or perhaps there are other jobs Il Marrone and his GOP partisans have produced?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Less government interference with business, lower taxes, less burdensome regulation, and you create the environment for sucess!. Let's build some coal fire power plants that are a new generation and much cleaner than the ones now on line! Lets be the engine of economic development and let's ignore this federal government!

gccs14r 3 years, 10 months ago

"Less government interference with business, lower taxes, less burdensome regulation, and you create the environment for sucess!"

Sounds like Somalia. We can see what a success that has been.

llama726 3 years, 10 months ago

Clean coal. LOL. You're a funny troll.

Linda Endicott 3 years, 10 months ago

"Less government interference with business, lower taxes, less burdensome regulation"... So that's what they were doing when they voted to prohibit insurance companies (private businesses, by the way) from covering abortions without a separate rider...yeah, that was less government interference and less burdensome regulations, all right...thanks for clearing that up for me...

(sarcasm intended and heavily dripping)

Raiden 3 years, 10 months ago

I think they are both dangerous depending on who is doing the interpreting and that is fraught with complication.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Less government interference with business, lower taxes, less burdensome regulation, and you create the environment for sucess!. Let's build some coal fire power plants that are a new generation and much cleaner than the ones now on line! Lets be the engine of economic development and let's ignore this federal government!

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 10 months ago

Golly, so there are no new jobs but there is a utopian "environment" for jobs? You know what would be better than that?

New jobs. Instead, all there we're getting are speeches about "economic environment" and empty promises.

Oh, and new jobs courtesy of last year's budget, last year's legislature, and last year's tax increase. There's nothing theoretical, utopian, or empty promise about that.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"I prize the words of Thomas Hobbes to the effect that the life of man is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short” "

That's one of the gems from George Gurley's column today. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/jun...

Under the Scrooge-inspired leadership of Republicans, for the majority of Kansans, life just a lot more to George's liking.

Raiden 3 years, 10 months ago

He is a petulant little dictator who must get his way. By the time his first term is over there will be no need for a statehouse.....just a palace for him and his gang. This emperor/dictator has no clothes. His motive is crystal clear...no compassion for the disenfranchised (how very UN-Catholic of him), no concern about the future of Kansas with the decimation in education funding; no concern for the forever history of the value of arts in our culture. He is a dimwit and Kansas and its citizens are and will continue to pay the price for all those 'yes' votes last election....pretty soon they won't be smiling. I'll never understand how it is that most of the people that vote for this moron will be the most negatively impacted by his legislative shell games.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I disagree with you! I know Sam cares about the arts but here is the exception--let the private sector fund it--don't make the arts dependent wholely on the government. We can see many changes if we get the private sector re-empowered after all that is what build this nation in the first place.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

The arts have long been anything but fully dependent on government funds. However, the arts are an aspect of education, and with the cuts to formal education is it any surprise that Brownback isn't interested in other aspects of education? Brownback is not in favor of an overly educated state.

dwarren9 3 years, 10 months ago

I agree that the arts should not depend solely on government funding and it hasn't. You can have alternative opinions, but not alternative facts or spelling: it's "wholly", not "wholely". Oh, the need for strong public education along with the arts.

weeslicket 3 years, 10 months ago

In a mere five months, new Republican Gov. Sam Brownback and likeminded lawmakers have recast the social and fiscal landscape of Kansas and made the state a laboratory for conservative ideas.

unfortunately, these folks will sidestep the whole scientific method of inquiry regarding their laboratory. it's such a bother, you know. simple belief should suffice. then again, perhaps a more correct word choice would be "lavatory".

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

You just don't agree with him--and you have to resort to name-calling-- he is doing his best to create the kind of business climate in Kansas that will bring in good high paying jobs! Let's give this man a chance instead of being naysayers!

Catalano 3 years, 10 months ago

Hey Sherriene....take a day off, baby.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

If you believe that businesses are in favor of relocating to a place that has few cultural amenities, poor schools because of cuts in education, and an environment that is against the arts in general, then you really are not in touch with the business world of today.

weeslicket 3 years, 10 months ago

i disagree with you! i never called anyone a name. please state the name i called someone. snort.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

I think what is happening in Kansas highlights the need for state rights. If the federal government controls everything then we have just one nation - like it or not. By allowing states to make decisions for themselves allows its citizens to move to a more like-minded state if they do not like what is happening in their own state.

For those that adamently oppose what Brownback is doing they can try to change it by electing state senators and representatives that will represent them or in a worse case scenario move to a state that espouses their own beliefs.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

What's really happening is a process that's been going on for a long time. Starve all funding for social safety net programs at the federal level because it's easier for private interests to pressure state governments than the federal government, and then make cuts at the state level so that it falls on local governments, and in poorer areas, they are in no position to pick up the slack.

The race to the bottom.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

I don't understand if it is easier for private interests to pressue state governments then what is causing the starvation of ALL funding for social safety nets at the federal level?

Seems to me it must be just as easy at the federal level if all funding has been cut at the federal level.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"what is causing the starvation of ALL funding for social safety nets at the federal level?"

Demagoguery and the ever-increasing influence of corporate money.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Which, of course, in the last election they failed to do...

Godot 3 years, 10 months ago

I assume his article was in the "opinion" section, right?

The phrase that is the most laughable is, "Brownback is a big change from previous governors. His immediate predecessors, Kathleen Sebelius and Mark Parkinson, were moderate Democrats." I don't know about Parkinson, as he didn't do anything; Sebelius is a hard-left socialist.

oldvet 3 years, 10 months ago

Referring to her veto of concealed carry in 2004 and 2006. It only passed after her veto was cancelled by 2/3 of the Kansas House/Senate.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

Perspective from an extreme right winger.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Parkinson is the one that fired Bremby to path the way for the coal-fired power plant in Western Kansas.

Sebelius is definitely not a moderate, not extreme left, but not moderate.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Obama would not have selected her to serve in his Administration if she were anything but a left wing idealogue. Sebelius is about as moderate as Stalin was "moderate communist".

gccs14r 3 years, 10 months ago

You're completely ridiculous. Obama is about as left-wing as Nixon was. In saner times, he would have been called a moderate Republican.

sourpuss 3 years, 10 months ago

Um, you forget that these Right-wing ideologues think anyone with a "D" after their name is a leftest pinko - because if they weren't, they'd be Republicans, of course!

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

Brownback is like a bull in a china cabinet, only he's not stopping untill there is nothing left but broken glass.

The right wing conservative agenda is returning society back to the stone ages. Only the biggest corporate stick will rule. To favor a sophisticated society over a stone age society is socialism. Just ask any right wing wacko fanatic. Topeka is full of them.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I disagree with you. I would suggest that the liberal agenda is returning us back to the stone ages... China and India build thousands of coal fire power plants to help grow their economies...but Obama uses the EPA to freeze construction of even one new plant in America. Pretty soon I guess he figures we can just turn out the lights and not worry about it--so much for any new manufacturing--and that doesn't even get to his freeze on other forms of energy production Nuclear etc. Stone ages here we come...

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

"China and India build thousands of coal fire power plants to help grow their economies......"

like i said above , "The right wing conservative agenda is returning society back to the stone ages. Only the biggest corporate stick will rule."

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess the left wing agenda is no jobs and everyone on welfare?

tomatogrower 3 years, 10 months ago

The governments built those coal fire power plants in China and India, not free enterprise. They will soon understand their folly. Have you never seen the smog in Bejing? I had a friend who attended the Olympics, and she couldn't wait to leave the stench.
The reason these countries are polluting their lands is to kowtow to US corporations who want to pay their people peanuts, and pollute their lands, because the US dared to say no to pollution. How else are they going to be able to afford super star CEO's? Of course, it's those superstar CEO's who are making the decisions to move to other countries where they can mistreat workers and pollute, and they are the ones who benefit, other than those big investors who make money without really producing anything of real value.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

The latest coal fire plants are much cleaner than existing technologies like the plant in Lawrence. We can do coal and keep a clean environment. We can keep the lights on and be concerned about growing our economy. The problem here is the EPA regulations from the federal government that are keeping us from building for the future.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

The newer plants are certainly better than the older ones.

But, coal is not a clean technology, even with the improvements.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Well I guess you are correct but we have to keep the lights on and I think it is the best consistent power source available. Don't get me wrong I am not against green energy like wind, solar, and hydro. But coal fire has to be in the mix and I think we can do it in a safe and consistent manner.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

That's rather reasonable - :-)

Although our energy needs aren't fixed, and simple conservation would decrease the need for new plants.

We use far less than most folks, and we have CA, dishwasher, washer/dryer, etc.

Setting the thermostat at 67-68 in winter, and 77-78 in summer, and using fresh air whenever possible in spring and fall goes a long way towards lowering energy consumption.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Interesting that people whine about Brownback but where were they in November 2010 when they could have made a difference? People who didn't care enough to vote are the real villians, not Brownback or those that elected him to office. He is doing just what his supporters wanted him to do. Shame on those that don't like it but didn't bother to vote or work to support another candidate.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

And Hurray for all of those who do like him and did vote for him. Run Sam run...

sciencegeek 3 years, 10 months ago

In talking with many who voted for Brownback, I have found that this is NOT what "his supporters wanted him to do". Kansans are, overall, an independent but decent lot, who don't like it when someone throws his weight around and acts like a bully. They may want changes, but want it done in a fair manner, with the pleasure or pain spread equally. The way Brownback is pushing so fast, and with such an extreme vision, isn't what they bargained for. Perhaps they were naive, or just uninformed, but they expected a man who ran on his Christian values to actually follow them when he came in to office. That isn't what they've seen, and many are feeling betrayed.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Glad to hear it.

I hope they won't vote for him again.

And, yes, I wonder how they didn't know this is exactly what he would do.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Will they vote for him again? Depends on who the dems put up to run against him and what the political climate is like in 2014. The reason Brownback is Govenor is Holland was such a weak candidate, Obama and the Dems at the federal level were jamming their change down the throats of Americans without transparency and fairness (exactly what the GOP in KS is doing now) and some people actually like everything he stands for.

People like myself will react negatively to his bully tactics, but he is the lesser of two evils will vote for him again. So, the Dems better find a strong candidate.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

How do you find him to be the "lesser of two evils" against Holland?

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

I didn't find him to be the lesser of two evils with Holland. I voted for Brownback because I agree with much of what he has done and the campaign message. I don't like some of the things he's doing now for example pushing the religious agenda and being a bully. And, my vote for him and a straight GOP ticket was as much a vote against Obama and the democratic agenda as a vote for the candidates.

There was nothing about Holland that I liked.

weeslicket 3 years, 10 months ago

from fred mertz: I voted for Brownback because I agree with much of what he has done and the campaign message. I don't like some of the things he's doing now for example pushing the religious agenda and being a bully. from jafs: And, yes, I wonder how they didn't know this is exactly what he would do.

well, one of you voted for this governor. hhhmmmm.........

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I am proud that Brownback stands up for the most underrepresented in Topeka--the traditional hard working family people-- he represents our values of hard work, integrity, and belief in God. I'm very satisfied with what Brownback has accomplished and I''m hoping for more next session!

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

How do his broken promises to "protect" education and social service funding represent integrity?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

How did you not know he would push his religious agenda?

And, you like his cutting education, social services, and arts funding?

And, regulating private insurance companies so that they can't offer abortion as part of their general packages?

If not, what exactly do you like about him?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Holland is my Senator and let me tell you this guy is no conservative. He doesn't listen to his constituents very well either! Especially the northern part of his district that happens to be quite conservative and Republcan. If you ask me he will have a hard time getting re-elected next time.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I think he is being honest and following thru on what he said he would do. He was not given an easy job.

weeslicket 3 years, 10 months ago

also from kansasjayhawk: I am proud that Brownback stands up for the most underrepresented in Topeka--the traditional hard working family people-- he represents our values of hard work, integrity, and belief in God. I'm very satisfied with what Brownback has accomplished and I''m hoping for more next session!

congratulations. you have just voted yourselves, and your communities, out of extistence. and also, you were correct.
your governor was not given an easy job. good thing he had so much cooperation. enjoy.

HermanBubbert 3 years, 10 months ago

This is just a warmup for what Brownback intends to do to the entire nation once he's installed in the Oval Office in 2016.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

Using kansas as his lab experiment for his fanatic right wing christian ideology will have blown up in his face like a meth lab long before 2016, but tragically, kansans will have paid the price in suffering all along the way.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Well I don't know if you remember the fanactic left wing anti-religious agenda that Sebelius offered us? Remember her hosting George Tiller--late term abortionist--as guest of honor at Cedar Crest.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

No, I don't remember the " anti-religious" agenda because you just made that up. People were free to practice what ever religious activities they chose to so long as they were not against the law. The right wing fanatic wacko religion of this governor is not religion, its greed and arrogance imposed on all. Your idea of religion is do it your way. Sebelius gave us the option of our choice.

Thanks but not thanks to your idea of religion.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

You didn't even address the special attention Sebelius gave George Tiller at the Governors mansion...so much for choice...

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess you would rather that she murdered him in cold blood so women's health care can be diminished to the stone ages. So much for choice.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Well there you go---what an accusation--- I'm amazed at the ability of some liberals to show their complete ignorance! Where in the world from my comments did you infer that I approve of Tiller being shot or killed or murdered in cold blood? I do not and have never condoned such a thing. Neither do I condone the "health care" Tiller provided! Dismemberment of babies in the late stages of pregnancy is completely sick and not worth of a modern society! I guess you don't even think about what that man did! He certainly did not deserve to be honored by the sitting "moderate" governor. No face it--Sebelius was and is--a liberal extremist.

mom_of_three 3 years, 10 months ago

She treated a person like a person, instead of what Brownback is trying to do. You mean, like that? You may not agree with what he did for a living, but should he be treated like an outcast?
How judgemental of you

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Yes, I am judgmental about killing and dismembering the bodies of late-term babies. I am also not tolerant of that act and believe that it should be against the law. There now you can be just amazed at the judgmental attitude some of your fellow Kansans have about some of these moral issues!

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Nobody likes late-term abortions.

I believe they're only legal in cases of danger to the woman's health.

Would you remove that, and force women to have children, if it meant their own death?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I really don't care what you "believe" you need to read the law. No in the case of a womans life being endangered all of the laws make and exception. The real issue is whether we should have late-term abortion doctors preying upon women in this State and to that my answer is NO.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Sorry - that's a rather unclear post.

Source for a law that states differently from my understanding?

So, if you had to choose between protecting the woman or the child, you'd protect which one?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Ok.

I did some quick research and found:

Roe vs. Wade, and subsequent SC decisions, allow that restrictions on late term abortions are constitutional, but must include exceptions in the case of the woman's life, health and mental health.

36 states have restrictions on late term abortion.

4 states have restrictions that don't include some of the required exceptions.

Being a rather conservative state, I imagine that KS is one that has had such restrictions for quite some time.

So, what's your problem with this?

mom_of_three 3 years, 10 months ago

He was a man doing a job and while we may not agree with it in moral terms, it doesn't mean that he can't be treated like a human being. I don't agree with Brownback's strict moral agenda either, because I believe it discriminates against some in our society, but I am not going to judge who he brings to the governor's mansion.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I think that Tiller was treated more than fairly over the years. In fact, he had such an influence in this state that he hunted with former Speakers of the House, was able to purchase the Attorney General's office, and was of course, wined and dined in the Governors Mansion by Sebelius after she received large contributions for herself and the Democratic party.

ksriver2010 3 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't call his views a fanatic right wing Christian ideology. Not all Christians are right wing. After all, he is Catholic, and many/most Catholics, despite the abortion issue, do not see things in a hard right way. Remember that Brownback is an evangelical who converted to Catholicism. He was heavily funded by the Koch's, and the state is a red state. Regardless of the candidate they usually vote Republican unless there is a strong moderate Dem candidate.
The difference is that there was no strong moderate Dem candidate. Parkinson could have won easily, if he didn't make the promise that he wouldn't run in 2010.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

You have to be a Bethel grad...anyhow I believe that Brownback is doing a really good job of trying to create a positive family friendly environment here in Kansas. We are not always going to agree with any governor all of the time and in every circumstance. Overall Brownback is showing tremendous leadership, I look forward to seeing what his tax proposals will be, they will be very important to increased economic development.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

Positive family environment includes destroying the "kid part" of that family's educational opportunities. What the heck, there only kids.

xclusive85 3 years, 10 months ago

I always find it amusing when someone decides to talk about education, or lack thereof, and misuses the word there. It should be they're.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

I am always amused at the people who know they are on the losing side of the discussion so they resort to being the self anointed spelling marm. If you think my post was bad, then you should spell check my text messages. That would keep you busy for a long time.

xclusive85 3 years, 10 months ago

Hey, I didn't say I disagreed with your position on the issue. I want increased funding for education. I benefit from education funding right now, and will continue to into the future. I feel that all of the children of Kansas should have the same or better education that I have had. However, this goal cannot be obtained by cutting funding. It also cannot be obtained with the class and school sized we have now either.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Just remember 65 cents of every dollar spent from the Kansas General Fund is an education dollar. I'm thinking we are making a strong effort in this area the problem is in the management or administration of the various programs. Too much Administration and not enough classroom, that is , teacher monies.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

65 cents of every dollar Kansas spends is on some kind of education. It is about how that money is managed and getting it to the teachers and classroom as opposed to so much administrative cost.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

Agree, they're can always be room for improvements in efficiency.

plainspeaking 3 years, 10 months ago

After reading your numerous posts, it is clear that you have no idea of "economic development." Under the prior governor, Kansas ranked 9th or 10th (depending on the source) for favorable business climate. This high ranking was due, in part, to our investments in education, highways, and quality of life programs. To believe that cutting taxes - and reducing investment in the things that businesses need and want - does not boost "economic development." If that were the case, Mississippi would be the richest state in the U.S.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess you have not noticed the targeted monies and programs for distressed western Kansas communities? I guess you have not noticed Brownbacks efforts to modernize and update our tax structure? Wait until next session and you will be amazed!

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

If you're wrong, and the KS economy suffers, will you be able to see and acknowledge that, and that these policies don't work?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Yes--I will be the first to admit it--what about you if Brownbacks policies work and we do see improvements?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I'll be very surprised, but glad.

Let's check back on this one - I'll hold you to it.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

I know it is often suggested that he is wanting to run for president, but I wonder if that is true. Consider that the decisions he is making right now are not making him very popular. Unlike other politicians who have higher political aspirations, he doesn't reach out and see which way the political wind is blowing before doing something and he doesn't try to straddle the fence. Also, for him to be eyeing the 2016 election means that he isn't banking on a Republican winning in 2012. It is no guarantee that Obama will win re-election so if a GOP candidate wins it means he wouldn't be able to run in 2016.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

His path of destruction is pure arrogance that his ideology is the only way. He is not a pragmatist. He is an ideologue. That is how he basis his decisions and he is so arrogant that he thinks that is his best path to the white house.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 10 months ago

Considering that there really is no one for the GOP to put up as a viable candidate for the 2012 election, (Palin? Bachmann? Are you kidding?) and the fact that Obama is an incumbent, I can pretty well guarantee he is banking on the GOP not winning the election.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

You must not be following to closely. There are a couple of names that have potential right now and it is early; West and Cain come to mind. Palin won't run, but it fun watching the left get their panties in a bunch over the possibility.

Palin can serve an important role in the election by attacking Obama and thus allowing his oponent to take the high road.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

I think the left would like for Palin to run. The panty thing is just about wore out, don't you think?

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Of course the left would like her run as she is not the best GOP candidate. They would hate for Cain to run because they would have to tread lightly in their attacks against him.

Sure the panties are worn out cause the left keeps getting them in a bunch.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

They're in a bunch because Republicans have shown that they are capable of electing clueless idiots to the presidency. That makes Palin pretty scary.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

Obama has turned out to be a Republican in Democrat clothing, but he's certainly not an ignorant buffoon like Palin or W.

MyName 3 years, 10 months ago

He will run if he thinks he can win. He already put his hat in the ring in Iowa 3 years ago and basically was told he needed some administrative experience. The only thing I have to say is that he looks almost sane compared to the wing nuts that are running this year.

But he's going to look really out of date if the economy turns around nationally but not in Kansas. What ticks me off is that there's no room in the Kansas GOP for anyone to the left of Ann Coulter, and that's not going to win over either the young people (many of whom will leave) or the hispanics who are going to make up maybe 1/8 voters in 10-20 years. If they don't expand the tent a little, this state is going to be Republican (in Name Only), which is fine with me. But the time between now and when the old people in charge shuffle off is going to be rough.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

The rest of the country isn't anywhere near as conservatives as voters in Kansas. Brownback has as much chance of becoming president as Pat Robertson.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Actually, we already did. He already ran for president and failed miserably, just like Pat Robertson.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Beatrice,

Ronald Reagan. Two Landslides. Gkerr

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

I knew Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a friend of mine. I can assure you, Sam Brownback is no Ronald Reagan.

Okay, I didn't know Reagan and he wasn't a friend. However, the conclusion remains. Brownback lacks in a big way the popular appeal of the former California governor with movie star good looks and real sense of showmanship. Reagan knew how to tell (and sell) a story. Brownback, on the other hand, is about as likable and memorable as the average insurance salesman. (my apologies to insurance salesmen) He is a product of and for Kansas, but not much further.

I'm not saying the country won't ever again vote for a conservative. I'm saying that conservative won't be Sam Brownback. He already tried and failed in a big way to have an impact among Republicans, let alone everyone else. He is not presidential material.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

So far as I know he is not running for President at this time so don't get in a panic!

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Not in a panic in the slightest since, as I already stated, it seems highly unlikely Brownback could not win a national election. Unless you were talking about Ronald Reagan. Again, no panic. He not only hasn't come back to life, but if he did he already served two terns and couldn't hold the office again.

OldSoldier 3 years, 10 months ago

Brownback and supporters in the House are destroying our state. How long will it take for the ill-informed who elected them to wake up and feel the effects of these horrendous cuts? Where are the jobs that were touted? Where are the jobs?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I think he is helping Kansas by reducing the size of state government and trying to recreate a positive jobs policy.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Anti-education is far from pro-business.

weeslicket 3 years, 10 months ago

kansasjayhawk: "trying to recreate a positive jobs policy"

also, from governor brownback: "jobs, jobs, jobs."

so, governor brownback eliminates about 2000 jobs in order to "recreate a positive jobs policy". did i get that right? so, thousands of jobs were lost. that's a fact. can you name any jobs that were created? perhaps we are still working on the jobs policy part. errrr. the creating them part.

and we wonder why so many kansas communities are now nothing more that drive-bys. who knew no schools or grocery stores would grind a small town into the hallowed kansas earth??? ah well, at least these once-towns never have to experience the scourge of abortion ever again. congrats, republicans. you voted yourselves right out of existence.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 10 months ago

Let's just say that December 31st can't come quick enough. (That's the day I pack the U-Haul and leave.) My daddy always told me that no matter what I always had at least one vote; my feet, although it's hard to leave somewhere that I grew up and I've spent most of my life. It's sad to know I will not be the only one fleeing this state and I doubt very seriously that the "no income tax" offer will be taken up by enough to offset the flight. Good luck, Kansas. I mourn for you.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

By chance are you going to Detroit? Very liberal there so it might be a good choice.

leftlawrenceafter30years 3 years, 10 months ago

@cait48...I'm with you, we left Lawrence nearly 7 years ago for Iowa. It's not perfect but, it beats the heck out of Brownbackistan. We'd love to have you here. We won't be taking advantage of the gimmies to return ever. Lawrence is the only bastion of liberalism left and it's just not enough.

jayhawklawrence 3 years, 10 months ago

When you drive though Kansas and you see some of these dying communities you can't but feel the need to try something new.

Sometimes you need a character who is bull headed enough to make decisions and move forward even if some people get banged around in the process. I have seen this work in the business world.

That is the only positive I can see with Brownback right now. The medicine might taste really bad but it might get us moving in a new direction. Any new direction might be a good thing.

Brownback is risking everything on being able to attract business to Kansas. If it doesn't work, some wealthy people will be even wealthier but there may be a lot more stressed communities and a lot more poor people needing help than ever before in the history of Kansas.

Instead of being a hopeful destination for young and talented people, Brownback may accelerate their exodus.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 10 months ago

"I have seen this work in the business world." The big problem is that government isn't business and business isn't government. Trying to run a government on a business model simply doesn't work. Believe me, it's been tried before and what you get isn't good government, it's "business as usual".

dwarren9 3 years, 10 months ago

You can forget about repopulating rural Kansas. It's not going to happen despite all the programs that can be imagined to try to make it happen. The mechanization of agriculture caused rural Kansas to lose population. It's time to face facts and adopt programs that concentrate rural residents into urban centers that can more economically support the businesses and services needed by an aging population.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

He did no such thing. In fact if you read the article it reflects the fact that he is the first conservative governor in 50 yrs. Guess it must be all those previous liberals that we should blame for the current mess?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

It is the state legislature that is to blame, and has been pretty solidly Republican for many years.

Legislatures make laws and pass budgets.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

True about the blame being put on the legislature, but being Republican is not the same as being Conservative. Just as being a democrat doesn't mean you're necessarily liberal. Last years legislature did not have a majority of conservatives, but this year's does.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

So you're blaming the "liberal" Republicans?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess you haven't followed Kansas politics? Yes, I blame the liberal RINO republicans for alot of this mess! To be fair some of the blame has to go to all of us citizens who sat around and didn't speak our voice while they created this massive welfare state right in from of our eyes.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Those Republicans that you call liberal are generally understood to be moderate.

But, from where you appear to be sitting, I understand it doesn't look that way.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Well I think you need to consider that the ground has shifted...

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

You mean that hard right conservatives have managed to re-define the center?

That's the problem.

gccs14r 3 years, 10 months ago

I see that your reading comprehension is on par with your political acumen and business sense. Go find that part of the article again and see who said it, then consider the credibility of the source.

woodscolt 3 years, 10 months ago

The whole job creation thing is a smoke screen. He is all about imposing his ideology on everyone. There will be no economic improvements in brownbacks administration. He is hanging that carrot out in front of the people to give a reason for his reckless destruction of our state. The poor will get poorer and that is not going to help the communities around Kansas you refer to . He has done nothing but eliminate jobs. Brownback doesn't give a dam about the economy. Pay attention to his actions not his rhetoric.

goodcountrypeople 3 years, 10 months ago

"Sam cares." Ha ha! I'll believe George Carlin in his "American Dream" shtick on that one.

Dan Thalmann 3 years, 10 months ago

I agree with pretty much everything that KansanJayhawk commented in this thread. Also, I disagree with this original opinion piece suggesting that Kansas is somehow doing something that isn't happening all across America. I contend the last election showed a desire for a change away from the liberal agenda across the entire nation, not just Kansas. There are great examples of all sorts of pullbacks happening in other states, and I support them all for the sake of our nation's future.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

it sort of amazes me the number of people who praise Christian Extremism and rally against Muslim Extremism and the fact that they all lead to the same road.

Extremists are nuts, no matter what path they follow.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

That various religious extremists are cut from the same cloth shouldn't surprise you at all.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

How often do you find someone in the name of Christianity strapping a bomb to their chest and killing others? Yes, so-called Christians do murder, but it is usually not in the name of their religion. Muslims frequently do murder because they do believe their religion compells them to do so.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Instead, the Christians want to force women raped by their fathers to not have the option of an abortion. Gee, that is so much nicer.

The actions might be different, but they are aimed at achieving the same goals. Religious people want to control what others do in the name of their god. Making sure they aren't well educated is one of the methods taken in both instances.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Are you saying that today a woman who is raped by their father or someone else does not have the option to get an abortion if they so choose? If so, then you are either mistaken or trying to mislead because it is not true. Women still have the option of getting an abortion.

Gaining control is very different than murdering someone.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Correct. With the legislation just passed, if both parents do not sign a consent form, an underage woman cannot get an abortion. That is the truth.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Woman is the term commonly used for an adult female so if they are underage they are not a woman, but a child. Big difference. Women can get abortions.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Kind of hard to think of someone as a child who might be 16 or 17 years old, raped by her father and facing the possibiity of giving birth to the abomination growing inside her. Young woman, perhaps, but not a child.

There are other limitations now on women as well.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

That is a half-truth there is a judicial by-pass in the law.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

That half-truth can result in fully forcing someone to give birth to the child of a rapist.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

As I said, occassionally, Christians do murder in the name of their religion, but nothing like Muslims do.

You may not like what they are doing, but they are doing it legally. So, if you oppose it, then fight them legally by electing like-minded representatives.

leftlawrenceafter30years 3 years, 10 months ago

Religion has been the cause of much murder. Remember the "Crusades"? Those were so called Christians. Religious extremist of all stripes have committed murder in the name of their "God". I thought we lived in a country that guaranteed freedom of religion yet many Americans seem to think we are solely a Christian nation and want the government to endorse their version. I think it is time to get religion out of politics.

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

I can give you a very long list of people who commit violence in the name of God from murder to bombings to terroristic threats.

Have you heard of the Inquisition? No one ever suspects the Inquisition.

I remember the guy in Wichita who beat his 12 year old boy with a 2x4 as a punishment from God for not blocking a van trying to get into an abortion clinic.

There were over 7,000 terroristic threats to clinics including bombings, murders, gun shots, bomb threats, blood splattering and the like.

Ireland with the Catholics vs. the Protestants

There is a long list and you can pretend it does not exist, but it only means you do not see what you do not want to see.

And there is a lot of talk about how violent the Koran is, and I agree, it is a weird book, but if you want to compare violent act and commandment vs. violent act and commandment against the Bible, lets go babe...I can match you horrible cruelty vs. horrible cruelty and violent biblical law vs. violent biblical law Koran vs. the Bible any day of the week.

It is not that I think the basis for either religion causes that or honestly tries to teach that..only that the extremists bastardize it. For you to pretend it is only one side that does that and not the other is false witness. A lie. And, you broke a commandment and according to the Christian Bible, not only can I condemn and punish you for that, but your children as well.

Matt Needham 3 years, 10 months ago

Is it the religion creating terrorists? Or is it way too many young men and women without decent jobs and education, and no prospect for supporting a family? The great thing about keeping people educated, employed, and busy putting food on the table to make a better life for their kids is that whatever their religion they aren't very interested in fooling around with bombs or making the world a more dangerous place. Take away their education, jobs, and ability to raise a family, and you've got desperate, hopeless people who become more dangerous as time passes even without political entities masquerading as religion prodding them along. When unemployment gets high enough we're going to find out right here in America whether it's religion or economics that breed terrorists.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"How often do you find someone in the name of Christianity strapping a bomb to their chest and killing others?"

How many Christian countries are militarily occupied by Muslims?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"Yes, so-called Christians do murder,"

Indeed they do. And they do so on a wholesale level, using cruise missiles, stealth bombers, cluster bombs, C-130 gun ships, invading armies, etc., etc, etc.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

This is a direct attack upon the faith of another individual. This is anti-religious bigotry and you certainly would frown upon it if it were being used against a Native American, an African American, a latino, or a gay...but here you feel unconstrained to mount your bigot festering opinion.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

It's "anti-extremist" opinion, not anti-religious bigotry.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Being latino or gay is a religion?

How is not believing in a sky god bigotry? Forcing your religious-based opinions on the lives of others, on the other hand ... what would you call that?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I would call that democracy. We all have the "right" to our opinions and we have the first amendment right to practice our faith.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Yes you do.

But that doesn't give you the right to impose legislation based on that faith on the rest of us.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

What about legislation that "Imposes" secularism and immoral behavior on the rest of us? I gues that is acceptable? --WRONG

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Nobody's stopping you from the right to practice your religion, and believe what you believe.

That's your protected right under the 1st amendment.

It doesn't include the right to dictate that others should believe the same way, or act in the ways that you approve of.

Give me an example of some legislation that "imposes" secularism on you.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

What about legislation that "Imposes" secularism and immoral behavior on the rest of us? I gues that is acceptable? --WRONG

ivalueamerica 3 years, 10 months ago

well, if you want to bear false witness by accusing me of saying things I did not say, you have to face GOD on that. My statement was very clear, extremist are bad, no matter what side they strive for, and that evil is a value I am against, a moral I hold, no matter the perpitrator. It seems you only hold it to one side an not the other...making it very clear that you are the one with biggoted views and more important, a lack of morals and values that you apply evenly to your life and fairly to those around you.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

My, my, my how judgmental of you --you don't even know me and you make all these conclusions-- I just think that one should not be attacked for their faith and religious convictions. The founders of this nation came to America because it was a safe haven for religious believers.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

"This is anti-religious bigotry and you certainly would frown upon it if it were being used against a Native American, an African American, a latino, or a gay"

If they were trying to cram their superstitious claptrap down my throat the way you do, I would most certainly defend myself.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

You mean like some of the ideas of the "politically correct left"?

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

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verity 3 years, 10 months ago

Or the last election may have been because the economy was still poor and jobs hard to come by and a reaction against the Democrats holding the Presidency, Senate and House. From my point of view, this country has not had "the liberal agenda" in a long time. I would not be surprised if the reaction to what has been happening will be a swing away from the so-called "conservative" agenda in the next election. (Personally I don't think that what is happening in Kansas is conservative as more and more power seems to be accruing to the governor's office.)

Sam Brownback: " . . . you’ve got a revulsion to what’s taking place in Washington.” Am I remembering incorrectly? I had the idea that he was part of what was taking place in Washington the last 12 years.

jayhawklawrence 3 years, 10 months ago

I can't shake this image of Mike O'Neil laughing insanely and boasting about taking down the Department of Education and the Board of Regents in the next go around.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Verity, Unemployment continues to rise despite the Liberals double down on stimulus and tarp. The purchasing power of our savings is falling at a rate of 10% per year. China has liquidated all of their low interest rate treasuries and has gone to higher interest (More costly to our treasury) longer term bonds but they have even been selling them these past five months.

Your gravy train has pulled out of the station. We are in for a long season of austerity. The grand socialist schemes don't work well and people are no longer interested in throwing good money after bad.

Go to work. Gkerr

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 10 months ago

it's interesting that in response to Brownback's actions unemployment in Kansas is actually getting worse. The truth is, the rest of the country is recovering. We aren't.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Cait48, Let's see unemployment up. Inflation up. Drop outs to the labor market up. McDonalds created half the jobs in the whole country private sector last month thanks to their waver on Obama Care which allows them to have a bit of confidence. China is selling it's dollars. Borrowing is accelerating, so is indebtedness. We will soon be forced to raise our limits of indebtedness. Many states are bordering on default-especially the democrat controlled ones. the stock market continues to decline and is only propt up by fed buying. The IMF is disgraced as are the central banks. Greece and Ireland, Italy, Spain, and Portugal are bordering on default and we will continue to contribute our dollars to IMF to prop them up.

Where do you see the recovery? Gkerr

verity 3 years, 10 months ago

By the way, what's wrong with moderation? Why has it become a pejorative? First it was the word "liberal" and now "moderate" seems to be a bad thing in the minds of many.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

verity, Not so much wrong with moderation. Moderation doesn't run up trillions of indebtedness and suffocating regulations choking the life out of the private sector where wealth is generated and jobs are created. Moderation doesn't kill a million babies a year to prove a point. Moderation doesn't throw millions at the posturing fools at the UN and spend hundreds of billions waging wars not absolutely needed for our survival. moderation doesn't pander to an educational establishment that in most regions fail utterly to educate while pouring elitist nonsense into heads full of mush-ensuring yet another generation of incompetent teachers, schools of education, and students.

True moderates are not liberals in disguise. True moderates are tired of being scammed by liberal elites and their underclass slaves trapped in a system of dehumanizing entitlement. Gkerr

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

True moderates are also not conservatives in disguise.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

You sure have your demagogic talking points down. Nothing moderate about you.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

jafs and another bozo,

I never ever ever claimed to be a moderate.
Gkerr

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Much of the time "moderation" in politics means siding with the liberals! That is what we conservatives think is wrong with it! I'm in favor of a moderate temperment but not moderation on matters of principle

wastewatcher 3 years, 10 months ago

Sebelius was not a moderate, she was and is as LIBERAL as one can be. If in doubt. just check her record and her vetoes and spending priorities.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

This is what happens to a state in terminal decline. Brownback isn't setting Kansas up for some renaissance but rather distracting the voters with irrelevant matters while he helps his constituents loot what little money hasn't already moved out of the state.

Lowering taxes even further isn't going to lure business in any more than the last round of tax cuts or the cuts before that. All it does is make our children dumber, avoid investment in infrastructure, and implement death-panels as we abandon our obligations to the needy. No one wants to live in Kansas who doesn't already have ties here. The only thing Kansas had going for it was good schools, decent roads, and an open and welcoming populace that believed in good government first and foremost. Brownback is destroying that and will leave the state as some American version of the "third world."

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

What a bogus left-wing view! We can all work together to bring jobs back to Kansas. We can do so by building strong family units, encouraging honesty and hard work, and by rejecting big government social welfare approaches!

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

SwanDiver, Most of the wealthy in this country are to the left of center. Most of the wealthiest counties are democrat. Think about San Fran, Hollywood, Wall street, Madison avenue, the Hamptons, Marthas Vinyard, the Connecticut valley, Silicone valley, Kendalwood, Boston, Cambridge, Mass., Princeton New Jersey, Chicago's Tony neighborhoods like the near north side- all heavily democrat.
Your mantra about nasty business should make you supportive of the rascally republicans. They represent the smaller business interests in this country, not the big bankers, big Academia, big law, big medicine, big insurance, big pharma, big government, big media, big entertainment, which are all democrat franchises and have been for decades.

Wake up before they pick your pocket again, and follow the money. Gkerr

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 10 months ago

Again, interesting, considering that Koch Industries bank rolled Brownback's campaign.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

The wealthiest counties, or the most educated?

Even if wealthy individuals live in a given area -- Boston, Cambridge, Princeton, Chicago, and don't forget New York -- that rarely means the majority of the people living in that county or city are truly wealthy. They might appear better off than a majority of Americans (without taking into account a have higher cost of living), but they aren't CEO wealthy. Not by a long shot.

The notion that big businesses are "democrat franchises" is just nonsense. Here is a list of corporate contributors to the Republican cause: http://www.knowthecandidates.org/ktc/RepubContrib.htm

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

SwanDiver and Cait48,

Yes, not every state has a conservative sugar daddy. Most sugar daddies are Soros like when it comes to politics. The Koch's are the exception that proves the rule.

Do you hate the Democrat leftist sugar daddies like you hate the Koch's. If not why not? Gkerr

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Beatrice,

Show us the democrat list. CEO rich it is. Banker rich. celebrity rich. Wall street rich. Lawyer rich.
Gkerr

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

If you really think that Democrats are more entangled with corporate America than Republicans are, I think you're way off base.

They're at least equally entangled, and I'd give a little push towards Republican being a bit more.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Of course rich, educated people give to Democrats, just as non-wealthy, educated people vote for Democrats. You are the one saying Republicans aren't supported by big business, but rather they gain their monetary supported from small business men and women instead. I was just proving you incorrect.

dwarren9 3 years, 10 months ago

You can forget about repopulating rural Kansas. It's not going to happen despite all the programs that can be imagined to try to make it happen. The mechanization of agriculture caused rural Kansas to lose population. It's time to face facts and adopt programs that concentrate rural residents into urban centers that can support the businesses and services needed by an aging population.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

To the hard wired left who control the Main Stream Media, this newspaper, and reflect the opinion of the entrenched cultural gate keepers, liberal democrats are moderates, listen, can't you hear the birds singing gaily? Nasty Conservatives are forces of extreme immoderation. We are doomed you whine. Get used to it. We are broke and trillions in debt. Many independents are waking up to the giant Ponzi scheme of Government entitlement programs. People who work for a living, in the private sector at least are tired of getting skinned by crooked Pols and bureaucrats who always want just a little more. After 70 years of just a little more we are fed up. Gkerr

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

To the hard wired right (and I'm beginning to suspect you are part of that), moderate Democrats are rabid socialists.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

"After 70 years of just a little more we are fed up."

Okay then. If that is the way you feel, why do you think it all falls on the Democrats? You seriously can't be so naive not to recognize that both parties are at fault. Trying to fix the problem by waging a pro-Republican, anti-Democrat war will just get us Republicans in charge who will continue to raise the deficit akin to what we had under the previous administration. Your "pro party" stance is not the solution. If it were, then why did the deficit go up during Republican administrations?

Also, look at how many papers across the country backed Bush and then McCain. The liberal media line is not accurate.

Bryan Swan 3 years, 10 months ago

We live in a one party State now. So, if you want to change that, support candidates who offer to fight this shift. Fight with your money, your time, your opinion expressed amongst others...just do whatever you can.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

I agree. Our country can only survive if we have checks and balances to power. I don't want any party, even my own to go at it unchecked. Too much power is dangerous.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

So do you always vote for the opposite of whomever is in power?

If a Republican president is in office, you vote for Democrats in Congress, etc?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Yes you must accept the democratic process has selected conservatives to lead Kansas! We are not the enemy we are part of who this state is. I would like to see some sensible Democrats put up some ideas after the last run of Sebelius that would indeed be refreshing.

Sigmund 3 years, 10 months ago

Time for Lawrence to succede from Kansas and form its own State. In the new "Peoples Republic of Lawrence" we can have free arts educations, buses, and abortions for everyone by simply taxing all the rich people here, those that make over minimum wages or have over $1,000 in savings. Every job will have collective bargaining rights and will get the summer off and we can ban every non-local, non-living wage paying corporations acting all corporate like! All the poor and oppressed people, especially the undocumented, will all want to move here because of all the diversity and free stuff and we will have no borders and no drug laws either. Everyone will get to vote, some of them several times, and we all can shout "This is what democracy looks like!" over and over and over!

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

And here I would have just settled for the policies that created the postwar Golden Age of America -- a gov't with it's thumb on the middle classes' side of the scale, strong unions, and progressive taxation.

The Teapartiers yearn for a return to the America of their youth yet refuse the policies that made up that America.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Sigmund, Brilliant.

Jimo, Now the governments thumb is on the side of the cultural elites and and governments other constiuent group the 50% of the population who pay no taxes federal or state taxes whatsoever. The taxes for the upper middle class when we count Federal, State, Sales tax, Property tax, Emplyment tax FICA, special excise taxes, burgeoning registration fees and special taxes like the ones added to your phone bill to subsidize some Pols pet projects, plus the most onerous tax of all a 10 % plus inflation rate if calculated using the methods of the "golden age" all amount to far more taxes than our parents and grandparents paid. The upper half of the middle class are getting skinned alive by greedy and corrupt politicians. ENOUGH! GKerr

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

The government's thumb is on the side of the wealthy.

The poor and middle class are suffering, and unhappy with it.

Jimo 3 years, 10 months ago

"The poor and middle class are suffering, and unhappy with it."

And yet the Teapartiers align themselves with the interests of millionaires!

Or as one I sat next to on an airplane last week explained: "Millionaires create jobs."

I didn't have the heart to explain to her that millions (of dollars as investment) create jobs, not millionaires. Who does the investing isn't particularly relevant. And most of the investment money in fact lies in the savings of the upper middle class, not the wealthy - it's a matter of shear numbers.

beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Or it can remain part of Kansas, where there will be no arts education and not much education of any other sort, there will be no buses because only automobile owners deserve transportation, abortions won't be allowed for anyone, the rich won't be taxed because they encourage business, but the poor will be, collective bargaining will be banned, vacations will be on an extremely limited basis since spending time with family or just away from work is such a "hippie" way to think, there will be no regulations of any kind on businesses, nobody will want to move to Kansas because people will be oppressed, especially the poor, unless they move to a depopulated area where they will get a tax break, and only the landed gentry will be allowed to vote. I mean, why should people have the right to practice their Constitutional rights! Who do these people think they are?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Nice satire.

Of course some of the things you list would be good ones.

Collective bargaining rights are good. Eliminating drug laws would be good. Public education and transportation are good things.

Cait McKnelly 3 years, 10 months ago

In this state's government, they are in conflict because they rely on a book that has been through 700+ revisions, multiple translations of translations that come from well over 1,000 sources and has evolved for well over 1800 years. There are hundreds of conflicts within the book itself, making it easy to pick and choose which verses you wish to follow. It's because of this that the book has permitted thousands of sects to spawn; everything from snake handling Cumberland Baptists to Catholicism. When you permit your "faith" and your government to rely on that kind of source it makes doing what Brownback is doing laughably easy.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

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jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I note you didn't answer any of the questions.

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Another attack on Christianity and religion. Consider the USSR and all of the lives that were lost due to soviet atheistic Communism as just one example of what humans can do to one another without God.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I note you also fail to answer any of the questions.

yourworstnightmare 3 years, 10 months ago

Hanna is correct. Once Kansas was among moderate conservative midwestern states such as Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana. Now, Kansas now stands with the right-wing cadre of southern states including Oklahoma, Texas, and Mississippi.

A Reconstruction cannot start soon enough.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Nightmare, Illinois hasn't been moderate or conservative in ages. It's been a thugocracy for decades. Democrats have run it for a long while as the Daily machine runs Cook county. An occasional corrupt republican is allowed to rule before serving his jail time in Joliet prison. Illinois is bankrupt and is close to default. Indiana is right of center as is Kansas. Iowa I don't know, they are pretty moderate though and quite wealthy- great fertile lands. Gkerr

notaubermime 3 years, 10 months ago

Occasional republican governor? You mean like republican governors for 30 of the past 50 years occasional? Most of whom did not go to jail for corruption? Chicago may be liberal, but the rest of the state is moderate to conservative.

love2fish_ks 3 years, 10 months ago

The group that needs to get gutted is KDOT. They have their own IT department 90 people, purchasing agents 5, and help desk support 27. What a waste of money for a bunch of clowns that probably couldn't make it working for another company. And talk about over paid!!!!

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

Well I guess you are talking to Douglas County liberal folks because the people I'm talking to are very proud of Sam Brownback for standing up with great principle to fight for what he believes is right. Whether we agree with him 100% of the time on every issue is not as important as the fact that he stands up for his principles and does not blow in the wind. How refreshing in politics to have a real statesman in the Governors office!

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

How again do those promises to protect education and social service funding, which he immediately broke once elected, demonstrate his "principles"?

hwarangdo 3 years, 10 months ago

Oh yes, let's cut education ... keep the population ignorant. That's exactly how the Taliban think! Shut up the women, let them die if they are raped and become pregnant. Just like the Taliban. Cut medical help to the poor - who wants that scum around anyway? Push aside any ideas for renewable energy projects, because using the wind that comes out of the legislature would be a waste of air when we could burn mercury producing coal instead (it's great for babies!) Ignore the federal government ... so does that mean Kansas won't fly the American flag anymore? And will it's citizens be able to retire on Social Security ... that communist/socialist plot? Oh, and the "personal life is dead" let's cut support to the Arts. If I recall, the "personal life" was a hindrence the communist party considered evil ... uh oh, wait a minute ... the new Kansas government sounds more like communism or fascism. Oops, guess what folks, you have all been duped by the ultra-right evangelical movement! How does it feel? Would you like a spare tire to remind you that you are completely subserveient to the whims of a few radical politicians and religious zealots? Here it comes - please que the soundtrack to Deliverance ... ya'll stay tuned for the sequel.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

And, if he didn't do anything to try to make it more efficient, he'd get grief for that.

CHKNLTL 3 years, 10 months ago

Or perhaps this is meant to limit knee/hip replacement surgeries in the elderly which can be both costly and life-threatening? (elderly = those over 75 who already may/may not have other detrimental health conditions)
Seriously, the spending has to stop somewhere!!! If the elderly could not or would not maintain themselves in their youth, should the government really have to foot the bill? I hope this measure includes cutting costs on inmate care as well.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Well, that sounds ok unless it's you, or your parent/loved one.

gkerr 3 years, 10 months ago

Hwarangdo, Now take three deep breaths. Turn around twice and say I'm not in Ozz anymore. Do this until the bad man goes away. Gkerr

hwarangdo 3 years, 10 months ago

Tried that but my ruby slippers got stuck in the muck oozing out of the State house ... and Toto just whizzed on my shoes ...

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess you want to ignore the fact that Kansas spends enormous amounts of money on education. In fact, at least 65 cents of every general fund dollar goes to pay for some kind of educational program in the Kansas. We need to reform education bring morals and values and character education back to the classroom. We need to involve parents and grandparents in the educational process and expand definitions of what learning is and how it can be accomplished. That doesn't sound reactionary it sounds very progressive and would bode well for the future of our great state! Brownback is right there in the trenches fighting for us average Kansans!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 10 months ago

So you're in love with platitudes. How wonderful!!

But without money, the education the kids of Kansas will get will leave them just as ignorant as you are. Is that really what you want?

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

Morals, values and character education sounds a like lot religious instruction to me.

That's fine for a private religious institution, but perhaps not so good in a public school - separation of church and state?

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm not sure you and I would agree on the same definition of what the founding fathers were talking about when the used terms like "separation of church and state". That term was never meant to exclude religious ideas from the schools or any other area of public debate. In fact, Jefferson himself authored a bill in Congress to allow for churches to use public buildings for services and there are a host of other examples in this area that show the founders wanted to encourage religion and religious ideas.

jafs 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure you're right, that we would disagree on that.

Allowing churches to use a public building is one thing, but bringing religious ideas into public schools and their curriculum is quite another.

I'll bet if we look up that letter in which Jefferson uses the phrase, that it's much closer to my idea of this than yours.

pace 3 years, 10 months ago

Governor Koch will scar the social infrastructure of Kansas for decades. We will be able to see the necks the bros have ground into the dirt.

situveux1 3 years, 10 months ago

Wow, there's 2 minutes I'll never get back.

ajmag 3 years, 10 months ago

“I want more!” laughed House Speaker Mike O’Neal, a conservative Republican, as he reviewed the session’s work.

-Insert evil laugh here (as public schools crumble to the ground)

kansanjayhawk 3 years, 10 months ago

It is about time that we have a conservative approach to state government in Kansas. Liberal agendas in the past have been secretive and quiet in Kansas because the liberals always were afraid of the majority learning about their actions. They were afraid of the quiet conservative majority in this state awakening and casting them out of power--and now-- alas it has happened!

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