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Letters to the Editor

Godly nation

July 25, 2011

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To the editor:

America was founded as a democracy under God! In 1782, the United States voted to approve the Holy Bible for use in all schools. Harvard University was the first university established and was strictly Christian. The student handbook’s rule No. 1 was they had to know Latin and Greek to study the scriptures.

To say our nation has not moved from its original foundation is to ignore reality. American people are demanding that we remove God from our government and businesses.

Melinda Henderson, in her July 15 letter, called God in government a “theocratic oligarchy” and business “Biblical capitalism.” This type of thinking caused us to lose our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.

We have ridiculed God’s word and called it pluralism. We worship other gods and call it multiculturalism. We endorse perversion and call it alternative lifestyles. We reward laziness and call it welfare. We kill unborn children and call it choice. We kill abortionists and call it justifiable. We don’t discipline our children and call it building self-esteem. We abuse power and call it political savvy. We create profanity and pornography and call it freedom of expression.

As a whole, our nation is turning its back on God, but God has said in II Chronicles 7:14: “If my people, which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, they I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins, and heal their land.”

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jayhawxrok 2 years, 8 months ago

The US has never been and will never be a theocracy.

Deal with it.

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whats_going_on 2 years, 8 months ago

ohhh Mr. Collins,

You make joke, no?

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jayhawklawrence 2 years, 8 months ago

I am reminded of the Star Trek episode where the Enterprise was hijacked and the crew taken to the end of the universe to meet "God" who was residing there. When they met "God" he wanted to use their ship and Captain Kirk was able to expose him when he asked, "Why does God need a Star Ship?"

Jesus was very clear about giving to Caesar what is Caesar's but giving to God what is God's.

In my experience, religious leaders that get caught up in politics will use almost anything Biblical or Historical in order to justify a political agenda and this letter is a good example.

There was a time when religion was used to justify slavery as it has been used to justify wars. Today it is used to justify tax cuts for the rich and the slicing and dicing of social programs for political advantage.

But for those who are believers, God is not a theoretical or logical argument. God is a reality and life is a spiritual journey. I don't recall Jesus promoting any particular political party and I think much of the political/religious rhetoric you hear is designed to frighten rather than enlighten people who are drawn to religious faith.

Unfortunately, I know of no religion that will guarantee us moral, ethical and wise leaders. The Bible says they are a gift from God and we seem to be in short supply.

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JohnBrown 2 years, 8 months ago

I don't have a problem with God, but I do have a problem with all those who, in the name of God say: "do as I say or I'll kill you".

The best part of the Bible is the Sermon on the Mount, but I don't think the people at Westboro have read that part yet. The American Taliban are alive and well in Kansas.

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Gandalf 2 years, 8 months ago

Ultimaltely no one knows if there is a god or not. But I wonder who would be the most shocked to find there is one. The skeptics? Or the true believers who find that god has nothing to do with their religion or beliefs.

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witchfindergeneral 2 years, 8 months ago

"We endorse perversion and call it alternative lifestyles. [. . .] We don’t discipline our children and call it building self-esteem."

We stop reading this silliness when the author shows himself to a corporeal punishment advocate and a bigot.

Hey Don, welcome to the 19th century.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 8 months ago

RH: Except for scientists, the general public who read books and watch the History Channel's series on just this topic? No one can prove there is no 'god' but those who allege magic still exists have no proof either. My advice, read a book. Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" is a good place to start.

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jayhawxrok 2 years, 8 months ago

I didn't read anyone say that but you.

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panzermike007 2 years, 8 months ago

I fully support anyone's right to believe in the diety of their choice, as I respect anyone's right not to believy in any diety at all. I don't care if you boww towards Mecca, the Budweiser brewery or the Winchester firearms factory, just do not try to make me do it. To those that insist prayer should be mandatory in schools, or those that would ban it I say this, you are both wrong.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 8 months ago

It is amazing that no one has any idea how the universe works. No one has a clue.

Also, it is also amazing that no one has any idea why matter has mass. No one has a clue.

And, no one understands at all how gravity works and why it exists. No one has a clue.

But, some people are absolutely sure that they "know" there's no G-d!

A bit presumptuous, wouldn't you say?

No, no, no, they say. I know all about it! The only things I don't know are how the universe works, why matter has mass, how gravity works, and why it exists. But everything else about the universe, I understand completely!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/8660551/Existence-of-God-particle-to-be-decided-by-next-year.html

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weeslicket 2 years, 8 months ago

in waaay late again. skipped all the previous. my apologies to all participants.

just wanted to remind everyone that the pilgrims (as we call them, what with their mayflower compact and their vision of a city upon a hill......) ......

((choose as many of the following as are appropriate to your understanding of the social and intelectual (calling all spelling police!) history of america:)) 1. left england to come to the new world seeking religious freedom 2. left england to come to the new world seeking religious tolerance 3. left england because nobody there could stand to put up with their religious intolerances, and so were encouraged to go elsewhere 4. had a hard time in the new world putting up with themselves, what with their new world (in)tolerances. (hence, providence ri) 5. wore funny looking clothes 6. invented thanksgiving as a national holiday 7. spoke peculiar (immigrant) english 8. geeze. make up a few of your own.

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jayhawxrok 2 years, 8 months ago

Facts just wreck the day for right wing extremists.

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Crazy_Larry 2 years, 8 months ago

AT THE CLOSE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION, a woman asked Benjamin Franklin what type of government the Constitution was bringing into existence. Franklin replied, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

The United States of America is not a democracy, it's a constitutional republic. Glad I could help, Mr. Collins. The word 'democracy' was a dirty word to our founding fathers.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=afe_1309721977

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roadwarrior 2 years, 8 months ago

freedom of religion, it wasn't meant to make us comfortable, it was meant to make us free.

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 8 months ago

Could be a typo. Their really meaning in use of the word "of" was as to be free of something.

To be free of sickness. To be free of restraint. To be free of want. To be free of religion.

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overplayedhistory 2 years, 8 months ago

I am telling you it is a typo. It was suppose to read "freedom from" not "freedom of".

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yourworstnightmare 2 years, 8 months ago

This LTE is an expression of wishful thinking.

Many christians cannot live with the notion that this country was not founded based on their religion. They cannot fathom that something that they hold so dear, christianity, was not the basis of their beloved country.

Saying that America was founded on christianity is nothing more than wishful thinking. Most evidence, including the Constitution and writings by the founding fathers, points to the contrary.

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Jimo 2 years, 8 months ago

"America was founded as a democracy under God!"

You would have thought someone would have remembered to have mentioned Him in the Constitution.

Apparently, a founding based on anything less than unrelenting hostility to religion must be seen as a theological dictatorship.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: please meet Donald W. Colllins.

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ObamaCairWaiver 2 years, 8 months ago

In Latin or English, I am waiting for Harvard to explain where the HAR-1 gene came from. Certainly, God could not have put it there.

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pinballqueen 2 years, 8 months ago

I am deeply concerned about the erosion of freedoms on all levels that are being done in the name of one religion, Christianity. I am not Christian, and I came to this very personal decision after attending two different Christian churches. I quit attending the first because the preacher denounced homosexuality during the sermon. The second one was more liberal, which helped me to understand I am agnostic, because I simply cannot use blind faith to take the Bible verbatim. But, this is MY choice. I do not want a religion's belief system shoved onto my family. In order to have a state run with (christian)God based politics, then where do folks of other beliefs fit in? It reminds me of the Jews during the crusades, which sound a lot like the Salem witch trials, which makes me think of Hitler's ability to use religion as a reason for genocide. The problem isn't Brownback entirely, who is behind him? What entities are being funded to promote such a narrow agenda based in emotion and not logic? Look to Wichita. Our legislature and government is being reformed by the richest folks in the state. What do the Koch brothers gain? We have to ask ourselves that question. Meanwhile, they manipulate the people by creating a rift between each other by using the one thing that can be so powerful, religion. I respect anyone's right to take great pride in believing in something, to have blind faith, but when government is involved it is no longer about faith, it becomes about obedience. It scares me that our politicians and the richest corporations in this state are manipulating good people and their belief systems.

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powershopper 2 years, 8 months ago

Now its back. WTF Journal World??!!

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powershopper 2 years, 8 months ago

Ahhhh....that felt great. Much better now. Hey! What the hell happened to my last post. Was it the "Urinal World" statement, the "porn" statement, or the "choke the chicken" statement?

The LJW will publish the above vitriol trash but censor my statements. Well, not too surprising. It Just reinforces why I moved away from Lawrence, Kansas, and the mid-West. You people are all off your f*ckin' rockers.

God is great. Praise Jesus and the holy Mother Mary of God!

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SnakeFist 2 years, 8 months ago

I suspect that substantively identical letters appear in the newspapers of most Middle Eastern countries. Irrational religious zealots are the same everywhere, and reason is the only thing standing between them and fundamentalist theocracy. Reject the Christian version of the Taliban.

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ksrush 2 years, 8 months ago

Geez libs it's 3:15 and you still have not reached the 120 stupid posts yet. Slackers

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concernedeudoravoter 2 years, 8 months ago

Our nation was founded on the principles of the need for religious freedom, not for the need to be a Christian nation. While those Europeans that came to our shores may have themselves been mainly Christian, they were fleeing from having specific religious views or practices forced on them by a government. To say we, as the United States, are a Christian nation is just not the truth. We are a nation, where you have the freedom to believe in what you believe and not believe in what you don't. Our religious melting pot is no different from our cultural melting pot.

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powershopper 2 years, 8 months ago

This has got to be one of the most bizarre LTE's in the history of the Urinal World.

I would write more but I am about to put on some porn and choke the chicken.

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SilverShadow 2 years, 8 months ago

Hard to imagine we have such ignorance around. Worse yet, he thinks he can convince anyone that what he says is true.

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Stuart Evans 2 years, 8 months ago

I thought long and hard about a response to this letter. What I decided was that there is nothing that can be said or done to convince some people that everything they know is crap. You sir, have been fed a lot of crap.

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beatrice 2 years, 8 months ago

I'm ready to make a deal with the Christians. Prove god exists and we will all change our ways.

Until then, quit telling others they need to live according to ideas that were written by men and assigned to a powerful and mysterious being who magically lives in the sky. Blaming the country's problems on non-Christians is both offensive and nonsense.

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 8 months ago

It's actually good to read in print such a viewpoint as it confirms the ultimate objective of these theocrats. Nowhere in their USA is there room for the nonbeliever. It really is a culture war with religious extremism.

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jackbinkelman 2 years, 8 months ago

This letter is so utterly offensive on so many levels, and also pointless because it is obvious this person is out of touch with reality.. I 'll only bother to write further; seek mental health counseling and Plagiarism really?!!

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Kendall Simmons 2 years, 8 months ago

The guy plagiarizes in a letter he writes about God and values...a letter in which he did cite his other sources and quote them...and you see nothing wrong in that? Nothing "thought-provoking"?? Wow.

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Shane Garrett 2 years, 8 months ago

Who cares, as long as we live in a country that has as a basic principle, the freedom of religion not freedom from religion. Don't tread on me.

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heygary 2 years, 9 months ago

"We have ridiculed God’s word and called it pluralism. We worship other gods and call it multiculturalism. We endorse perversion and call it alternative lifestyles. We reward laziness and call it welfare. We kill unborn children and call it choice. We kill abortionists and call it justifiable. We don’t discipline our children and call it building self-esteem. We abuse power and call it political savvy. We create profanity and pornography and call it freedom of expression."

Mr. Collins ... very thought provoking, thanks for sharing regardless of the source of the material. Disappointing (and telling) that the vast majority of comments are are personal attacks on you or your belief system. Hell hath no fury like a liberal scorned!

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4getabouit 2 years, 9 months ago

Collins.......another religious nut. His letter provides the perfect example of why separation of church and state is critical to a modern democracy.

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pace 2 years, 9 months ago

Church and church property should be taxed. Close that gapping free ride and we wouldn't have such local and federal debt .

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purplesage 2 years, 9 months ago

Even taking the date of 200 A.D. as the "oldest manuscript - a mere fragment of the Gospel of John" - does not negate the completion of the canon by the end of the first century. (That date is, by the way, gernerous by about 75 years). The manuscript evidence for the Bible is far stronger than other ancient writings, e.g. Homer's epics, and even more so than for Shakespeare's plays which are only about a fourth of the age.

Consider the veracity of the Scriputre supported by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, a leap back of about 1000 years, which showed no substantive changes in the texts represented.

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meatandpotatoes 2 years, 9 months ago

Tsk, tsk---shame on Mr. W. Donald Collins! You are right down there with Dan Rather now in my book.

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Romans832 2 years, 9 months ago

"We have ridiculed God’s word and called it pluralism. We worship other gods and call it multiculturalism. We endorse perversion and call it alternative lifestyles. We reward laziness and call it welfare. We kill unborn children and call it choice. We kill abortionists and call it justifiable. We don’t discipline our children and call it building self-esteem. We abuse power and call it political savvy. We create profanity and pornography and call it freedom of expression."

Sounds familiar... Allow me to offer attribution... (I was a high school debater, and quoting sources was drummed into me.) This was prayed by Joe Wright, retired pastor of Central Christian Church, Wichita, at the opening of a session of the Kansas House in 1996.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070407061139/http://www.centralcc.org/NewsNow/JoeArticles/JoeRepentancePrayer.html

More info on Snopes... http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/prayernation.asp

America, bless God!

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JustNoticed 2 years, 9 months ago

Too bad Jim Jones is gone. The writer could have gone to Guyana for the kind society he could really gush about.

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meatandpotatoes 2 years, 9 months ago

Secularists/athiests are awesome and generous! They're leaving more room in heaven for me.

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Haiku_Cuckoo 2 years, 9 months ago

I disagree with the letter writer's stance, but I won't use this as an opportunity to bash his beliefs. Try some tolerance, people. Some of the comments here make me realize that the bumper sticker is right, Kansas really is as bigoted as you think.

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Cai 2 years, 9 months ago

Incidentally, The nation was also founded on the notion of a small federal government, very little regulation at a federal level, with states having far, far more say in things than they do now. It also went out of its way to address the financial solvency thing and stay OUT of debt.

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We see how long that lasted.

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funkdog1 2 years, 9 months ago

Wow, Donald. Are you like, 250 years old?

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 2 years, 9 months ago

What a letter, Donald!!! You've totally convinced me to accept your superstitious claptrap as my own.

It won't improve my life any, but I can sure pretend!!

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Pastor_Bedtime 2 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't it legal to have slaves then too? And to beat your wife, who was also considered chattel? Better tone it down, conservative Christians. Be happy we allow you the freedom to be as idiotic as you wish. Just myob. Profanity, pornography, pluralism, multiculturalism are all the products of a free society, just like creepy fundamentalism..

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 9 months ago

America was supposed to cure the church/state entanglement and our enlightened founders hoped to introduce the science of governance. The age of magical thinking is not entirely behind us, it appears, but there is always hope.

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Cant_have_it_both_ways 2 years, 9 months ago

America is on its way back to worshiping God, just this time it is Mohammad.

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meatandpotatoes 2 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Collins, you've sent alot of eyeballs to spinning about 100 mph this morning in the wonderful metropolis of Lawrence.

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ksrush 2 years, 9 months ago

So much for tollerance huh boys and girls.Go ahead and have your fun beating up on God, I'm sure the majority of you will never see him or have even been to church. That's the huge fault with lib logic " I am tollerant - as long as you agree with me" Now we can see another 120 posts about how you Larrryville dipsticks are so much smarter than everyone else because.....This should be good for a few laughs. Post away ! Ah the decay of a society see how right you are Don.Good article

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Gandalf 2 years, 9 months ago

pisseth against the wall nowadays will get you arrested and fined!

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purplesage 2 years, 9 months ago

cait48 - The Bible was written over hundreds of years. The OT is a history of a nation for hundreds of years. However, the NT canon was written by the end of the first century, the Gospels being the later writings, as eye-witnesses of Jesus' life became fewer. Due to the illegality of the Christian religion, the official canon of 27 books was likely pretty fixed by around 200 AD and Origen's writings confirm the list.

By the way, in the 1800's the largest church in Washington D.C. met in the U.S. Capitol by by vote of Congress - and the Treasury was also a church meeting place.

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BornAgainAmerican 2 years, 9 months ago

The Party of Atheists have once again returned to mock Christians and Christianity. Watch as non-believers ridicule, call names and demonize the Christians. Where's the pop corn?

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purplesage 2 years, 9 months ago

Yes, Harvard, Yale, Princeton and the rest of those Ivy League universities are private. However, a forgotton (overlooked) piece of history is that compulsory chapel and church attendance were part of life at public universities. Students were expected and encouraged by their institutions to read the Bible devotionally. Well over half of the universities on American soil, private and public, during the early 1800's, had ordained ministers as their presidents. Early America differed quite radically from what this nation is today.

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Roland Gunslinger 2 years, 9 months ago

*yawn

Treaty of Sicily- unanimously ratified by the U.S. Senate (that means -everyone- voted to approve it), signed by President John Adams in 1797.

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; ..."

Odd that the entire Senate and President would approve such wording if it were not true.

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cowboy 2 years, 9 months ago

All this God talk , is simply hearsay !

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Peter Macfarlane 2 years, 9 months ago

Many of our so-called Christian politicians are anything but Christian in the way they conduct business. If they followed the path of Jesus in the New Testament, chances are they would be practicing the socialism, they so vehemently oppose.

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 9 months ago

I was always under the impression that the New Testament signified a new covenant with God and the Old Testament was the old covenant, making it kind of moot. Yet it's amazing how many evangelicals continue to use the Old Testament as justification for their hatred, bigotry and prejudices.Even Jesus, himself, called Pharisees, followers of the Old Covenant, hypocrites and liars. But then this is a book that was written hundreds of years after the fact. It's kind of like taking Geoffrey of Monmouth's "History of the Kings of Britain", full of fantastical tales about King Arthur (and the source for the bulk of the Arthurian legends) at face value and calling it "history". Except this book is far more dangerous. People don't just take it face value, they base their entire religion on it.

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Elrond 2 years, 9 months ago

Worshiping God unconditional love.....with conditions

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grammaddy 2 years, 9 months ago

"God's Word"? I didn't realize the Bible was written by God. Y'all kill me with your book of fairy tales.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 9 months ago

I wonder why it was necessary for the students at Harvard University to know Latin in order to study the scriptures, because the Old Testament was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, and not Latin. Only the New Testament was written in Greek.

Actually, I do know the answer. The reason is that they were trying to understand the "Old Latin Vulgate" translation of the Bible, which was written in Latin, and didn't make a lot of sense in a few places.

They obviously didn't want to study the Old Testament in the languages that it was originally written in. That rather poor translation led to some rather interesting passages such as:

1Samuel 25 [34]: For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

and,

2 Kings 9 [8]: For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel.

So, right out of the Bible, It sounds as though you should not pisseth against the wall.

(actually, "he that pisseth against the wall" meant a male person, and nothing more)

It's rather interesting to me that it was not until the mid-1960s that the Catholic Mass was celebrated in the vernacular languages without the use of Latin, as though G-d Himself could only understand Latin. But, none of the scriptures were written in that language.

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notaubermime 2 years, 9 months ago

"In 1782, the United States voted to approve the Holy Bible for use in all schools."

That was before the Constitution was even written and that vote never happened.

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Souki 2 years, 9 months ago

It's hard to know where to start, but here goes.

Harvard is a private institution. It can be as christian as it likes. Whether it is provides no support at all for the claim that the nation was founded "under god," whatever that is supposed to mean.

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