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Letters to the Editor

Recall effort?

July 6, 2011

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To the editor:

First it was William Quantrill. Now it’s Sam Brownback and Kris Kobach. These “Topeka Ruffians” have openly declared war on women, immigrants, the poor and needy, the arts and now Lawrence, itself. The lies and hoodwinking to achieve their Republican agenda are one thing. The complete disregard for the quality of life here in Lawrence, especially for the neediest, is totally unacceptable. There is an expression “there is each of us and all of us.” Each of them wants to slash and burn the critical institutions that all of us pay for. Ain’t gonna fly. I promise to dedicate my time, energy and money to recall these (for want of a better word) “leaders.” Who will join me?

Comments

HollisBrown 3 years, 5 months ago

Oh, boy. The Quantril's Raid thing again. That never happened. I get your point, but please use another comparison. Alice Cooper played Homecoming at Allen Fieldhouse in the 70's. Now that really happened.

Fire_all_politicians 3 years, 5 months ago

Quantrill's raid never happened ?????? WTH ????

Scribeoflight 3 years, 5 months ago

Ummm, yeah, Quantrail's raid most definitely happened. What books have you been reading?

devobrun 3 years, 5 months ago

Clearly, HollisBrown has placed a shiny metal lure into the fish pond and all the bluegill are wondering.

Is it food? Is it danger?

Is it neither?

So HolliBrown, when you come down from your trip, use English. Simple sentences are OK. But cogent ideas must be built from the sentences.

A point.

It is what separates reality from poetry.

sourpuss 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't think there is any steam for a recall. The governor seems popular enough when you get out of Lawrence. I think there is a lot of support for his policies in the western counties. He can disregard Lawrence because he knows it won't lose him any votes.

walkthehawk 3 years, 5 months ago

actually, I think he deliberately punishes Lawrence--it's beyond disregard--because he thinks it may earn him votes, or redouble the support of those already behind him. That said, we're with you, Chuck. We moved back to Kansas to raise our kids in a state with a bipartisan dialogue amid an increasingly splintered nation (this was when Sebelius, Steve Six, and Nancy Boyda, among others, were around), and where education had always been a top priority. Three years later things are nearly unrecognizable, and the real problem is that the changes being made now won't be corrected when Brownback leaves office--the wholesale defunding of education and mental health, among other things, will be the legacy we leave to the generation of children being born right now. What's the matter with Kansas? It's hard to know where to start.

speedy47 3 years, 5 months ago

Are they not real bright out west or what? Do they not understand the ramifications of what is happening in Topeka?

Bob Hechlor 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't think we need to worry about western Kansas. Brownback had angered a lot of repubs and I think many of them would not mind at all if he loses his job. By all means, pursue recall and let us know how we can add our signatures. Go Charles!!!!

LogicMan 3 years, 5 months ago

Um ... didn't Brownback win by a wide margin, and wasn't it clear beforehand the situation we're in and what he'd govern like?

The voters chose, and he has a mandate. Rather than going negative on him, work to educate him and the legislature, and more importantly, work to improve the economy so that we get out of this mess. And, no, trying unsuccessfully to sell used houses is not the way to help.

jafs 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback won by getting about 2/3 of those who voted to vote for him. However, only about 49% of registered voters turned out.

So he won by getting about 1/3 of registered voters to vote for him. It's hardly a "mandate".

Also, a number of people have expressed that they are not happy with what he's done, and didn't expect him to do this when they voted for him.

So I'd say both of your contentions are not accurate.

Ken Lassman 3 years, 5 months ago

2/3 of 50% is around 33%, so you're correct: hardly a mandate. Mr Gruber is correct--it's time to organize a viable alternative to the "shoot first, ask questions later" philosophy of the Brownback Administration. Moves by Brownback's gang has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that more often than not, their day-to-day running of the State of Kansas is incompetent, half-baked and often throws the baby out with the bathwater. Kansans deserve better, and I have a hard time believing that the average citizen will continue to support Brownback if a viable candidate emerges from either the Republicans or the Dems.

xclusive85 3 years, 5 months ago

But the problem remains, only 50% voted. the average kansans need to vote.

Matthew Herbert 3 years, 5 months ago

A number of people expressed through polls that they were not happy with what GW Bush did and that they didn't expect him to do this when elected.....then they turned right around and voted for him again. Never underestimate the value people put into a party tag. I've seen people go out of their way to vote for someone they bashed just seconds earlier because they swear loyalty to a specific party. George Washington was right. This country would have been a lot better without political party labels to fall back on.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 5 months ago

Exactly what would the grounds for recall be? Based on your letter, I doubt you've looked at the recall statute. If you had you'd know there are no grounds to recall Brownback.

notanota 3 years, 5 months ago

There's grounds for recall: incompetence. The problem is that recall does no good. He gets to pick his sucessor rather than having reelections.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 5 months ago

Here are the grounds for recal and incompetence isn't one of them.

Chapter 25: Elections

Article 43: Recall Of Elected Officials

Statute 25-4302: Grounds for recall. (a) Grounds for recall are conviction of a felony, misconduct in office or failure to perform duties prescribed by law. No recall submitted to the voters shall be held void because of the insufficiency of the grounds, application, or petition by which the submission was procured. (b) As used in this section, the term "misconduct in office" means a violation of law by the officer that impacts the officer's ability to perform the official duties of the office

notanota 3 years, 5 months ago

Interesting. There are two different authoritative-seeming sources that claim incompetence is grounds for recall of state officers (but not local), but when I look at the actual statute, it seems that's not true. I wonder if that's incompetence on the part of people compiling these websites or if they changed the statute at some point. Or maybe they thought "failure to perform duties prescribed by law" was the same as incompetence?

At any rate, I knew it was a toothless recall with the bit about the the replacement being an appointee of the same party.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 5 months ago

I believe the statute was just recently changed to remove that part.

I think it was initiative by Bush in anticipation of Brownback's election LOL

Frictional 3 years, 5 months ago

These are the grounds for recall: http://www.ncsl.org/default.aspx?tabid=16581 We just need to figure out how to use these grounds in our favor. Unfortunately in Kansas, incompetence is not one of them. The statue reads: Kansas-Conviction for a felony, misconduct in office, incompetence, or failure to perform duties prescribed by law. No recall submitted to the voters shall be held void because of the insufficiency of the grounds, application, or petition by which the submission was procured. (KS Stat. §25-4301)

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

Could Fred and Nota provide links? It's time to read up.

nativeson 3 years, 5 months ago

Governor Brownback was elected along with a very conservative House of Representatives. He is fighting with his own party that has many legislators on his right. I am hopeful that his administration becomes more moderate in the next session, and it may more that direction based on the next house election cycle.

WilburM 3 years, 5 months ago

When pigs fly. This guy and his top advisers and henchmen are headed in one direction, toward the highly conservative (on all fronts) land of Brownbackistan.

The hope for moderates of all stripes is that he just keeps going, along with the KS House, toward this uncharted land of faith-based bliss.

(and by the way, the KS sweep in 2010 was part of a national reaction to Obama, scarcely an endorsement of BB or KK, even though it's convenient to interpret the results as their mandate.

somedude20 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes, lets recall the bum and replace him with arnold schwarzenegger. down with gray davis! wait, what, I am in the wrong state, poop!

Fred Mertz 3 years, 5 months ago

Do you really mean a man can't be an authority on women issues? Does that mean a woman can't be an authority on men's issues like NFL football since no women play in the league? Or a female doctor can't be an expert or treat problems like penile problems or testicular cancer?

Don't be sexist, a man can be an expert on any subject.

sciencegeek 3 years, 5 months ago

A recall is wasted effort. A better solution would be to go after the legislators who enable him. If they thought their own seats were in danger, then they'd be less likely to go with a radical social agenda. Western Kansans are losing schools, SRS funding, support for the arts, and jobs, just like the rest of us. Maybe they'll wake up. Or not.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 5 months ago

I agree that a recall is a wasted effort and that targeting legislators is a viable approach to countering Brownback's agenda.

However, it is also important for the Dems to start finding a viable candidate that can take him on and start grooming/promoting him or her now.

Mike1949 3 years, 5 months ago

Recall, yes it is a waste of time. Kansas has been falling asleep for years. Brownbeck, Attorney General, and the majority of the Republicans that support him has to go. That can only happen at the voting booths. This state has been pro republican for as long as I can remember. The voters have gotten what they wanted. A CRAPPY STATE! It's like we never learn, a few years ago it was the school board, then the Attorney General, now it is the Governor. The whole legislators plus the majority of the state offices need to be replaces with people who represent all the people, not just a select few. But for some reason, it seems that my fellow Kansans are intelligent enough to vote in people who will represent all of Kansas. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Sunny Parker 3 years, 5 months ago

Liberals are quite funny. When things don't go their way they scream for recall. At least Brownback is doing what he said he'd do....how about Obama? Don't you want to recall the Community Organizer? He has done nothing he promised.

somedude20 3 years, 5 months ago

Who was it that started that Cali recall again?

grammaddy 3 years, 5 months ago

Nothing? Really? Seems to me he has kept a lot of his campaign promises.

Crazy_Larry 3 years, 5 months ago

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

sunny, I hate to call you an idiot, but, I have to call a spade a spade...

PolitiFact has compiled more than 500 promises that Barack Obama made during the campaign and is tracking their progress.

Promises Kept: 137 Compromised: 40 Promises Broken: 43 Stalled: 69 In the Works: 217

walkthehawk 3 years, 5 months ago

my two year old had an unexplained seizure in 2009. That summer we tried to switch health insurance, only to learn that our child would not be covered, meaning that it became critical that we not switch jobs, return to school, or do anything else that could jeopardize our current coverage. Two years later, thanks to a kept campaign promise, this kind of preexisting condition lunacy is illegal--parents are no longer held hostage by a child's unexpected medical condition. Thanks, Barack Obama. I wish I could say thanks to a bipartisan effort to ensure the mobility of highly trained members of the workforce, and of public health for our nation's children . . . but as you are quick to point out, there wasn't one.

And yes, we "scream for recall"--following the path provided by our democracy. Republicans, I've noticed, seem to scream instead for an arms race.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Recall is a legitimate expression of the elective process. Or in words you can get, it is part of our rights. Being elected isn't the only part of the job. Brownback is hurting Kansas infrastructure. Bush and Brownback leadership will affect us for decades.

nanimwe 3 years, 5 months ago

I would be happy to sign any recall petition for Gov. Brownback.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

I would be happy to sign any recall petition. Gov. Brownback is a disaster.

lunacydetector 3 years, 5 months ago

seattle, san francisco, and new york city is calling....they need some new residents.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

Count me in. We will not know if Lawrence is way out there until we try. Is there anyone organizing?

We should also start organizing a voter ID campaign. Maybe, the League of Women voters would like help with this one.

verity 3 years, 5 months ago

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_recall_in_Kansas

"The number of valid signatures required for a recall election is 40 percent of the number of persons that voted in the last preceding election for the office of the incumbent sought to be recalled. The circulation has 90 days in which it can be circulated."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20031007/ai_n11806988/

"To recall an official who won a statewide race, first an application must be approved, which requires signatures from voters equal to 10 percent of the total number of votes cast for the office being recalled.

If the application is approved, then a recall petition is circulated. And this is where it gets tough, Bryant said. Of the 18 states with recall statutes, Kansas' requirements are arguably the most stringent.

Enough signatures must be collected from registered voters to equal 40 percent of the number of votes cast in the last election for the office being recalled"

"If the governor of Kansas were recalled, the duties of the office would fall to the lieutenant governor."

I will certainly sign any recall, but that path is pretty futile. We need other ideas.

Sciencegeek is the only person to have come up with an idea that seems feasible.

Carol Bowen 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes, Sciencegeek has a good idea. Can e add working on voter ID for fall.

verity 3 years, 5 months ago

Yes, definitely. I didn't see your post before I posted mine. Getting voters registered is vital to voting good people in. We need to turn this against them and get the highest voter turn out ever.

Sally Piller 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't think a recall movement would be successful in solving Kansas' Brownback problem, but it might serve to hurt his presidential ambitions in the future. That's where he's going. And if you don't think the good ol USA is dumb enough to elect him, well, I've got news for you.

Munsoned 3 years, 5 months ago

I don't think it will hurt his presidential ambitions. He will be able to show the country how much he cut and the monies he saved as governor. That's all that matters. He will look like a success for "doing what he had to do" and chalk it up to the cost of doing business. If anything, this will ultimately help him.

Robin Jones 3 years, 5 months ago

I agree they are dumb. Look who they elected in 2008!

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

I will join you.

These efforts are being accomplished in Michigan and Wisconsin. Oddly enough for the same reasons.

I'd say Koch Oil and Wal-Mart money are promoting a concerted effort to make america conform to their values.

BleedingheartofLawrence 3 years, 5 months ago

You are right, Merrill. The Koch boys really know how to get what they want by pulling strings all over the country -- not just Kansas.

verity 3 years, 5 months ago

That would be better than what we have now.

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Speaking of recalls: "Effort to Recall Bobby Jindal Failing Miserably... How miserably? They need 908,000 signatures just to initiate a recall election. Number of signatures collected thus far? 55. So they’re only 907,945 signatures short of even getting a chance to recall Bobby Jindal...." http://amerpundit.com/2011/07/05/effort-to-recall-bobby-jindal-failing-miserably/ I can envision the yammering class from Lawrence having a similar result.

SWJayhawk13 3 years, 5 months ago

For those of you on Facebook, you should check out this group: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kansans-Against-Brownback/212695285429427?sk=info they are also interested in organizing a recall effort.

pace 3 years, 5 months ago

Of course we should bash Brownback he is destroying infrastructure that took generations of Kansans to build. To not speak against him is to give up on Kansas. I love Kansas and I am proud of Kansas. It isn't all Brownback, Koch and Phelps. There are good people and it is worth saving.

geekin_topekan 3 years, 5 months ago

If you've ever listened to the radio while driving across western Kansas at night, you'll know where BB's agenda is geared toward. An excerpt: Female teenager: "Daddy, we should do something about the homeless and hungry in our country. Why can't we just send some money to a food program or something?"

Dad voice: "Oh sweetie. Jesus will take care of them if only they would just ask for him. They are his flock after all. You and I? Well, all we can do is pray for them and hope that our tax dollars can keep us safe with a strong military. Let's just ask Jesus Christ to watch over the homeless and our tax dollars will keep all of us, including the homeless, safe from Muslims and Satan's other workers."

Female voice: "Oh Daddy. I am so happy that Jesus is watching over the homeless people. I guess I hope that I never forget that ever again."

Liberty275 3 years, 5 months ago

"I promise to dedicate my time, energy and money to recall these (for want of a better word) “leaders.” Who will join me?"

Great. There will also be people lining up to recall the next democrat governor too. Crank up the hate!

TopJayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

Fact is Lawrence stands alone on this. That is because the handouts to the lazy, and all of that stuff is held near and dear to the Socialist State of Lawrence. Everyone else in the State sees the fraud, the abuse, the entittlement of lazy people.

You guys want to continue the handouts? Put your money where your mouth is for once and fund your own lazy folks.

deec 3 years, 5 months ago

My father was a 20 year veteran of the military, joining up when he was 17. When he retired, he worked until he was old enough to draw social security, because the enlisted pension wasn't enough to live on and raise a family. He worked as a mechanic, park deputy, and security guard. After he retired he mowed grass to make extra money. 4 years after he retired on SS, he had two massive brain stem strokes. He ended up in the nursing home, for 4 years. Medicaid paid for it. Were he still alive, I'm sure he would be startled to learn that he was "lazy."

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Some republicans will join in this effort.

Brownback is NOT a republican therefore he is misrepresenting the republican party.

If Brownback had been campaigning as a Neoconservative Christian Fundamentalist Party member he would not have gotten elected. From day one he has been lying.

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback enjoys the financial backing of the Koch industry boys and the Wal Mart family of billionaires. Which reveals that neither family supports the working middle class or the low income populations.

Why shop Wal-Mart or buy Koch Industry products?

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Because Koch Industries employ thousands of Americans? Is that a good reason?

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

On the eve of the November midterm elections, Koch Industries sent an urgent letter to most of its 50,000 employees advising them on whom to vote for and warning them about the dire consequences to their families, their jobs and their country should they choose to vote otherwise.

Big Brothers: Thought Control at Koch

Koch Industries 2010 Election Packet http://www.thenation.com/article/160062/big-brothers-thought-control-koch

Thought Control: Right-Wing Koch Brothers Caught Telling Thousands of Employees How to Vote http://www.democracynow.org/2011/4/21/thought_control_right_wing_koch_brothers

Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

"Volunteers with Citizens for a Better Arizona official said Tuesday they already have two-thirds of the 7,756 verified signatures required by May 31 to set a recall election for Republican Russell Pearce, who is the president of the Arizona Senate.

Activists in the heavily Republican district in suburban Mesa began the campaign in January. They have been courting the support of Pearce's base, mostly Republicans and Mormons."

Flap Doodle 3 years, 5 months ago

Deceased equines are taking a horrible beating this week on this award-winning website.

jayhawxrok 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback is a disaster.

Coming in and whining about the deficit and deciding to cut the arts, close planned parenthood, shutdown SRS offices, slash and burn. But oh, to defend the state against his religiously driven power trip against PP, he's hiring expensive Koch Bros lawyers that WE have to pay for insteaf of using the office of Atty Gen at NO expense to us.

He's got an agenda but not one part of it is good for this state.

Bob Hechlor 3 years, 5 months ago

Brownback has tried to bully us into having another coal fired plant built by the old "cheaper" standards. He makes claims that it will add jobs. At most, it would add 87 new permanent jobs, about the amount he just got rid of by closing the SRS office. Brownback has just retained a law firm that represents the Koch Brothers to represent his despicable attack on the women's clinics. Brownback is a radical, in the same vein as Phil Kline. The law or needs of people are not of any concern to him. He is messing with church/state separation by closing SRS offices and starting "faith based services." I wonder which evangelical faith services he will push? Will he also support Jewish and Muslim services? I think we know the answer to that. So, then we can have another distraction quarreling over religion. Brownback must go. He is a dictator, not a governor. While he pretends to govern, our serious problems are not being addressed.

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