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Neighbors volley concerns about lighted tennis courts near Lawrence High School

Lawrence resident Mark Gridley shares his views on a proposal to install recreational lighting for tennis courts near Lawrence Virtual School. Gridley was one of about 75 people who attended a public meeting regarding the issue Thursday evening.

January 28, 2011

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A meeting about light turned up some heavy discussion Thursday evening in the cafeteria of Lawrence High School, 1901 La.

Seventy-five members of the tennis community and the neighborhood attended in hopes of voicing their opinions on a proposal that would bring recreational lights to the tennis courts near the Lawrence Virtual School off Greever Terrace.

The lights have become a hot-button issue. Members in support of the proposal want more lighted courts, while residents in opposition worry the lights will decrease property values and disrupt normally peaceful evenings with excessive light and noise.

Representatives from Lawrence Parks and Recreation Department briefly discussed the issues before opening the floor to questions and concerns. Lawrence resident Mark Gridley spoke his mind in front of the crowd, receiving many nods of approval from those listening intently.

“The neighborhood association has been burned over and over with the promise of expensive lighting,” Gridley said. “Then up goes the cheap lighting, the spill goes everywhere and it’s too late. It’s already up.”

Gridley said he felt the lights from the courts, which would turn off at 10 p.m., would keep residents from sleeping and pollute the view of the stars.

According to the Parks and Recreation Department, Lawrence has seven lighted and 15 unlighted courts available. In 2009, the numbers were reversed before construction moved eight of the courts from LHS to their current Greever Terrace location. The lack of lighted tennis facilities has limited the time and number of league and tournament activities the local tennis community has been able to provide.

“It’s one of the classy sports,” said Kay Pettit, a zoning and codes officer. “The problem isn’t a lack of courts, it’s a lack of lighted courts.”

Resident and tennis enthusiast Jon Giullian attended the public meeting.

“I try to sympathize with the neighbors,” Giullian said. “I try to put myself in their place. If it was my neighborhood, as far as the tennis courts are concerned, I’d look at it as a positive thing.”

Comments from affected residents will be collected and reviewed by the Parks and Recreation Department before being presented to the City Commission for further review. No timetable has been set for the item to appear on the city agenda.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

{onomatopoeic representation of a dog barking}

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oneeye_wilbur 3 years, 2 months ago

The Journal World reported today that approximately 4,000 people in Lawrence are over 75 years old. So who is playing tennis? Why is so much money wasted on the Lawrence High School complex?

It is a waste and a fine example of two bad bond issues. Will the public learn a lesson from the past when the next bond issue comes forward?

Centennial "neighborhood" is just a bunch of structures surrounded by a shopping center and not to admirable main street aka MASS st and bumped into the backyard of a university.

The great educational experience continues.

This writer had the pleasure of dining with former Lawrence residents who grew up in Lawrence and now reside in a place one would not expect, Great Bend. Even they prefer Great Bend over Lawrence.

In fact, the local Chamber of Commerce might take note of what is being done in Great Bend to create a retail business district.

Lawrence continues to experiment while other places bring ideas to fruition.

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svenway_park 3 years, 2 months ago

Sven says @ 3:20pm 1/28 ..... i have decided to leave the forum....goodbye....i am signing out....SVEN

Lets see. At least five posts since he signed out. Yet he has not answered any of the questions posed to him.

Who is hiding? And who is making more lies?

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Boston_Corbett 3 years, 2 months ago

I mean people (or their mothers) who buy a house which backs upon a school athletic field have a constitutional right to have the school never actually use the field as an athletic field, right?

Isn't that in the constitution somewhere?

Even after years previously the area neighborhood association had encouraged and assisted the school district to acquire additional nearby land to expand their athletic field possibilities like for..... tennis courts?

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Boston_Corbett 3 years, 2 months ago

Oh dear. Poor Sven.

Actually being confronted with the things he has previously said.

Candidates for public office should not be forced to endure that experience, should they?

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black_butterfly 3 years, 2 months ago

"It’s one of the classy sports,” said Kay Pettit, a zoning and codes officer."- relevance please?

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workinghard 3 years, 2 months ago

There are lighted tennis courts down the street at Veterns Park, which by the way are on, annoyingly, WAY after 10pm.

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petronius 3 years, 2 months ago

originally sent by email to LJW 3:20pm 1/28 after about 6 hours on the forum.

Dear Whitney,

the reason that i re-entered was to be able to FLAG inaccurate or defamatory posts. the first posts on this article you can see provided information.

the forum & the way that Jonathan and you moderate it - however does not make it possible to have a rational discussion.

i have decided to leave the forum.

GOODBYE.

i am signing out.

SVEN

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classclown 3 years, 2 months ago

I don't care about the lighting issue either way. However, I am curious about one thing. How many of the people that want these lights provided to them (at taxpayer expense) are the same people that are against building new power plants or preach about how everyone needs to conserve electricity (perhaps so the taxpayers can then provide them with lights for their own electricity consuming desires)?

I'm not saying this is the case. I'm just wondering.

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classclown 3 years, 2 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (anonymous) replies…

Could you create an article that would have the donation information for all the candidates? That way, if anyone asks about it in future, they could merely link to that article, which would give equal time to all candidates.

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I agree. Since you want to be fair and all. Allowing Sven to post information about donating to his candidacy means that that all candidates should be allowed to post the same.

Fairness dictates it.

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whats_going_on 3 years, 2 months ago

How dare people want to exercise while others are sitting lazily on their couches!!!!

Sooo turn the lights off after a certain time, seems like a simple fix. Or, invest in light control shades/drapes.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

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commuter 3 years, 2 months ago

Funny thing... there were lighted courts before the school district destroyed & built new courts a block away. The people who would like to have lights there are not wanting more courts with lights than before 2009.... just the same amount...

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commuter 3 years, 2 months ago

I was at the meeting last night. From what I heard from the neighbors was they didn't mind the lighting, as long as it was not these 8 courts. They would rather have the Freestate courts lighted even though there are less courts.

Heck, they don't care about equity when between East Lawrence & West Lawrence. Heck, the Parks & Rec. should build more fancy, state of the art facilities in west Lawrence. Sven and his neighbors have approved it. Why not?????

I heard a few people talk about the declining property values. Heck, I hope the prices in that area continue to drop. I need to get a group of people together to start buying houses and cheap.

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Benjamin Roberts 3 years, 2 months ago

Ironically, Sven - backwards is NEVs - an acronym for "Neighborhood Electric Vehicle(s)."

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svenway_park 3 years, 2 months ago

Sven continues to snuff my posts.

Bong hits for censorship.

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BruceWayne 3 years, 2 months ago

I will be making a donation to the other candidates and providing them with any and all information I have to use toward their campaign. Buffalo Bob looking better all the time.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

{onomatopoeic representation of a dog barking}

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autie 3 years, 2 months ago

I do believe a dead horse can be brought back to life and made to run a race. Un-friggin-believable.

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irvan moore 3 years, 2 months ago

one of the problems with the tennis court lighting is that it wasn't the deal that was made. the schools keep saying they are going to do one thing and then do something else and the city lets them get away with it. the school board and city commission make deals with the neighborhoods and then change them because they don't like the deal they made.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

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The_Original_Bob 3 years, 2 months ago

"how about talking about the Tennis Court lighting?"

Why won't anyone think of the tennis courts!!!

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puddleglum 3 years, 2 months ago

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

Wasn't the Roman Petronius the guy that got kicked out of Sodom for being too icky even for them?

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prospector 3 years, 2 months ago

Again, how about some full disclosure.

Sven -

Who is your campaign manager/money guy/coordinator person?

Answer and I will give you my two cents.

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Starlight 3 years, 2 months ago

Light pollution is a egregious problem. You've never seen how glorious the stars are till you see them somewhere not washed out by extraneous light. It is something to behold. Pick a dark spot on this map and go visit and look up. http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=1438

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svenway_park 3 years, 2 months ago

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CHEEZIT 3 years, 2 months ago

Just put a dome over it. Make sure the roof slopes to the east. Put as much lighting as you want! Problem sovled!

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autie 3 years, 2 months ago

You guys don't really have enough to do, do you? I'm just jealous today.

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rockchalker52 3 years, 2 months ago

I'm not giving much extra weight to the opinions of LHS neighbors except for the ones who moved there before the high school did. Are there any?
In the spring & summer, the stars don't shine really well until an hour after daylight savings time retires for the night.
10 pm is not unreasonable. Light 'em up. And while you're at it, light up the ones at Free State, too.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 2 months ago

Just funny the names people associate themselves with...

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The_Original_Bob 3 years, 2 months ago

"Checks should be written payable to "Sven Alstrom for City Commissioner" c/o main street credit union, and could be hand delivered at the Community Mercantile Branch location."

That's not what I asked.

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svenway_park 3 years, 2 months ago

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svenway_park 3 years, 2 months ago

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 2 months ago

All writers put something of themselves into their stories

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The_Original_Bob 3 years, 2 months ago

Sven -

Who is your campaign manager/money guy/coordinator person?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 2 months ago

Satyricon is believed to have been written by Petronius

The surviving portions of the text detail the misadventures of the narrator, Encolpius, and his lover, a handsome sixteen-year-old boy named Giton. Throughout the novel, Encolpius has a hard time keeping his lover faithful to him as he is constantly being enticed away by others. Encolpius's friend Ascyltus (who seems to have previously been in a relationship with Encolpius) is another major character. It is a rare example of a Roman novel, the only other surviving example (quite different in style and plot) being Metamorphoses written by Lucius Apuleius. It is also extremely important evidence for the reconstruction of what everyday life must have been like for the lower classes during the early Roman Empire.

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The_Original_Bob 3 years, 2 months ago

Dang num it. I got disaperererededed. I keep forget I can't mention that name.

One question... How the hell did Sven get another account? Is he going for double-digit banhammering?

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

Shout vandalism! Had any good oreadcoffee lately, bub?

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 2 months ago

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The_Original_Bob 3 years, 2 months ago

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oneeye_wilbur 3 years, 2 months ago

And just think, two ill conceived school bond issues continue to perpetuate USD 497's poor planning. A new high school on the east side of town would have solved the neighborhood's concerns as Lawrence High could have been used as a Jr. High/Middle School with very little need for a stadium and more parking. And South could have stayed as a senior Center, located next to a grade school and a city park. As a result, Lawrence gets an old jail for a senior center and KU will in time get an improved facility aka Lawrence High,.

Even with improved lighting the minds will not be illuminated.

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JustAsking 3 years, 2 months ago

Gosh!! What next? People at the facilities will need to keep their noise/cheering to a specified level. Really, how many nights are the lights going to be on. Not for the last 90 days!! In the summer there is a significant amount of sunlight late into the evening. Heck, use the evenings in the summer when the lights are on and it's cooler to mow the lawn!!

What were people thinking when they moved close to a school? No traffic, no noise, no parking issues, no kids playing, laughing and having fun? Oh, I forgot and the darn marching band is playing to loud too early in the morning or too late at night!! So now you’re saying, “I don't like all of this so you other people have stop!!”.

A parallel would be to buy a house next to a busy road and then be pissed because the passing vehicles were making too much noise or buy a house next to a golf course and be pissed becuase there's noise early in the morning and people keep hitting golf balls into my yard.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 2 months ago

Funny, the names people choose to associate themselves with...

Petronius, was a extravagant and recklessly wasteful person, a so called spendthrift ( a term generally applied to those who are thought to be wasting public money.)

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sr80 3 years, 2 months ago

hey gridley go buy some drapes and if its cloudy i imagine you could sue mother nature thru park & rec we don't want you to miss your stargazing.

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petronius 3 years, 2 months ago

At the meeting Parks & Recreation presented plans by the lighting company that would be approximately 11.84 foot candles at the property line. do the math on how far this exceeds the recommended light trespass.

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petronius 3 years, 2 months ago

Excerpt from CENTENNIAL NEIGHBORHOOD announcement for the meeting:

1) "City code stipulates that light levels at the property lines should be .2 foot candles or less. The best estimate from city officials is that the lighting will reach 7 (not .7, but 7.0) foot candles.

2) The proposed lighting of the tennis courts will affect the neighbors seven nights a week.

3) The City has an alternative option which is to light the tennis courts at Free State High School. This option does not negatively impact that surrounding area.

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1029 3 years, 2 months ago

Under no circumstances should people ever play tennis at night. Lights at a tennis court? That is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard in my life. Tennis is a day game. Has this whole city gone mad?

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 2 months ago

Not a well thought out plan. Haste makes waste of tax dollars and creates angry neighborhoods.

No one can possibly put themselves in the place that neighbors find themselves unless you are a neighbor.

Light pollution can be annoying. Park department USD 497 officials know this. Why do they bully the taxpayers?

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

Look who is back! I was expecting a cool front any day now. Starting the countdown to the next disappearededing.

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Carol Bowen 3 years, 2 months ago

Lighted tennis courts in a residential neighborhood are inappropriate. Light them elsewhere.

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petronius 3 years, 2 months ago

The Lawrence Tennis Association needs to understand that the new tennis courts built by USD 497 in the Centennial Neighborhood do not meet the recommended setback between residential properties and recreational fields that is suggested in the code for Special Use Permit Approvals.

75 ft. setbacks are recommended between residential properties and recreational athletic fields. To make lighting comply with trespass standards as mentioned by Mr. Gridley is virtually impossible because of the way USD 497 located the tennis courts originally with only a 16 ft. setback to the residential property lines.

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