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Laughing liberal

January 8, 2011

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To the editor:

This has been a cold winter and, like most people, I’ve been a little short of cash. Not great times.

Imagine the uplift I got from reading Rep. Anthony Brown’s remarks that Lawrence and KU were “too liberal” and “not very well-respected.” I laughed until I had tears in my eyes.

Mr. Brown, Timothy McVeigh was not a liberal. He was a badly educated, anti-government ultraconservative who could have become an executive at Koch Industries if he’d just kept those nasty killer impulses under control.

Scott Roeder was not a liberal. He was a badly educated ultraconservative religious bigot who attempted to use the Christian faith to forge a social “purity” of the type espoused by many of the tea party folks.

Eric Rudolph was not a liberal. He was a badly educated ultraconservative “Christian Identity” nut who despised gays and who also wrapped his dynamite with sacks of nails to form killer shrapnel in case anybody survived the initial blasts.

What all three have in common is that, with their personal “philosophies,” they would have been welcomed with open arms into the current ultraconservative Kansas Republican Party prior to their public little missteps.

Thank you for brightening my day.

Comments

Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

Richard, I'll loan you some money with a very attractive interest rate. And let's not forget Sebelius, Tiller, Foulston, Clark, Morrison and the rest of the KlanParenthood supporters and late-term abortion supporters who were part and parcel of ending the lives of scores of soon-to-be kids. That's what Kansas was known for, for a very long time.

Bob Forer 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey Tommy Boy, why don't you move to Afghanistan and join the Taliban. Like you, they are anti-choice, and anti-Semitic. You would get along famously.

rtwngr 3 years, 11 months ago

When you talk about choice, exactly what do you mean? What choices are you referring to? Is the murder of a human being for the "mental health' of the mother one of the choices? Just asking.

Liberty275 3 years, 11 months ago

IOW, murder is OK if it's the kind of murder he approves of.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

What about tthe choice to invade a country and begin killing civilians?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

As far as I know, nobody supports late term abortion.

rtwngr 3 years, 11 months ago

Well, you don't know much. There are plenty of supporters of abortion at any point of a pregnancy. Just try to restrict late term abortions and see who comes out of the woodwork. As a matter of fact, Tiller supported late term abortions, performed them, and then covered them up with the assistance of the Kansas Board of Healing Arts, the Kansas Attorney General and the then Governor Kathleen Sebelius.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Abortion is already illegal after the point of viability, according to what I've read, which is usually about 2/3 into the pregnancy, or in other words in the late term.

The exceptions usually discussed are if the health of the mother is at stake.

Any source for your allegations?

tomatogrower 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey, don't you know that the mother is suppose to die, so the child can be born. The nutters think that she is a lousy mother if she doesn't. The only source for their allegations is Kline and his cronies, and we all know how reliable that guy is.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Really?

After the point at which the fetus is viable outside the womb, and with no other factors like health of the mother involved?

It seems to me that's a particularly difficult area in which to simply support abortion, since it seems more like two people involved than one.

bad_dog 3 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, let's not forget Tiller or the circumstances of his execution, I mean "justifiable homicide" in a Wichita church. I'm sure neither his family, Scott Roeder, Randall Terry, Operation Rescue, or The Army of God have.

mr_right_wing 3 years, 11 months ago

Let's not forget one of the most imfamous Kansans right now...according to many internet sites, Fred Phelps is a DEMOCRAT. Ran for governor of KS as a Dem in 90, 94 and 98.

We can sit here all day and point fingers if that is the way you'd like to waste time. There are plenty of mislead idiots on all sides. Left, right..moderate; not one of those has a monopoly on moronhood.

mr_right_wing 3 years, 11 months ago

Jim Jones...cult leader....liberal democrat.

How many more do you need before we're 'even'?

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

Most college towns are liberal, no surprise here. Funny though, Lawrence does have a negative better than thou reputation in the KC Metro area as well.

bad_dog 3 years, 11 months ago

Aside from Wyandotte & to some extent Jackson Counties, the KC metro area is rather conservative in my experience. Dennis Moore only got re-elected in the 3rd District due to a complete vacuum of viable Republican candidates. I mean really, Phill Kline, Adam Taff and Kris Kobach???

Richard Heckler 3 years, 11 months ago

I'll accept the resignation of the D.C. beltway politician that was elected governor who brings with him years and years of reckless spending and home loan scandals. AND all of those years on the tax dollar payroll with taxpayer funded medical insurance. All of this from the party that hates big government..... hmmmmmmm.

Maybe what Brown is implying he wants all of us to vote for neoconservatives and reckless tax dollar management.

tomatogrower 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes, and more of the Republican's "small government". Hasn't he already created a commission to figure out how to bring more business to Kansas, even though there are already agencies to do that? And they used to count on the Chamber of Commerce to do that, but they are now too busy in politics. So now we have to create something new, so that Brownback can give a job to some incompetent oil executive whose cronies helped ensure Brownback's election. Then when they force school vouchers down our throats, there will need to be a "small government" agency do administer that. Then when some fly by night private school rips off parents, there will be another "small government" agency to investigate. This Republican "small government" is going to bankrupt us. But, hey, Brownback will be creating jobs.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

School vouchers are a very liberal idea. The idea is law already.

Just keeping score.

kernal 3 years, 11 months ago

Didn't I just see some of these comments on another story this morning? Are we having winter brain fog here?

beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

I know this letter is trying to set up a dichotomy of liberal (good) and conservative (bad), but lumping the opinions of Rep. Brown and conservatives with the murderous actions of the criminally insane is like comparing apples with ... well, things that aren't even food.

I am quite sure Brown would not approve of murderous actions. He is conservative, but that doesn't make him evil. Misguided? Sure, but not evil. To the point of the letter, it isn't important if criminals could join a specific group before they commit their crimes. Before committing a crime people are just citizens. What would be worth noting is if they joined and were accepted into a group after they committed their crimes. Has that happened with any of the murderers listed in the letter? Has Brown praised the actions of Roeder, for example? If not, then it is a nonsense argument.

So Brown, a conservative, spoke out against liberals. Big deal. He was pandering to his base and speaking his mind. The response should either be "So what?" or "I appreciate the honesty, but I don't agree with you." Further, instead of attacking a conservative for saying what he really thinks, the letter writer should be asking, why don't Lawrence representatives speak out more often against things they feel are too conservative? Recognize different points of view, then build on what you do have in common from there.

Although this letter didn't actually mention Hitler, it is basically a Godwin argument by dragging criminals into it. I mean, Hitler was a vegetarian so I am sure he would have been accepted into several liberal groups, especially PETA ... until he went and tried to take over the world, that is. Even PETA would reject his membership. At least I think so.

independent_rebel 3 years, 11 months ago

Beatrice, I hardly ever see eye to eye with you (or with anyone, actually) but your post was spot on. Tip o'the cap.

Rex Russell 3 years, 11 months ago

Nicely worded post, Bea. But as usual, since this is a well written, even handed piece, it will be discarded in most minds here. And this is our sad state of affairs. And this will continue to be our sad state of affairs until Independents and Moderates get off the side lines and find their voices. Both those on the left and the right have their vocal crazies in their respected camps. The problem is that many have been content to let them be their voices to the media. Not to mention, the media is all to happy to put them on air and quote them on and on. The sensible, intelligent, moderates only come out of their shells to speak after some awefull incident has happened. Often with words of civility and sense. In respect to Mr. Warrick's comments, I'm not sure I can realistically tie those horrific people and their events to conservative political theology. That's a stretch for me. They were more damaged minds than political idealogues.

Phil Minkin 3 years, 11 months ago

Repost: Outside the state, when Kansas was mentioned, people usually thought of Dorothy and Toto, Dodge City or basketball. Now it's Fred Phelps and teaching creationism in the schools. Thank heavens for Lawrence to go against that view. "Lawrence: Twenty-seven square miles of reality surrounded by Kansas."

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

1960s perhaps, but states like Arkansas or Oklahoma have progressed to the point of being highly thought of due to living conditions. I think Kansas will someday be on this list.

I've posted this before, but Dodge City is quite a nice little community nowadays. Lawrence is changing too.

George Lippencott 3 years, 11 months ago

Do you really think that any significant numbers of Kansans agree with Rev Phelps?? I also might point out that we are not alone with the creationsim argument. Wonder what percentage of Kansans agree with it at the basic level

BigPrune 3 years, 11 months ago

Lawrence is the laughing stock of Kansas. Go anywhere in Kansas and tell them you're from Lawrence then expect to apologize for being from Lawrence and you're not one of the kooks or weirdos that inhabit our city. You'll make a new friend easily.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

So what?

Kansas is the laughing stock of the East Coast.

Everything in this regard is relative, and just as Kansas don't want the East Coast folks telling them what to do or believe, Lawrence folks don't want the rest of KS telling them the same.

tunahelper 3 years, 11 months ago

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Tammy Yergey 3 years, 11 months ago

Let me preface my statement by saying that I think extremes of anything tend to be bad.

That being said though, an extreme liberal is going to climb up a tree to prevent it from being cut down, while smoking pot and singing Kum-bay-ya (sp?). An extreme conservative is going to hoard guns, teach his children to hate anyone not like him, and prepare to take down the government.

I know which one I'd rather be if forced to choose.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I, and many others, are equally glad that we aren't you.

So, we're all happy then - isn't that nice?

And, what's with the personal attacks on other stories - I've always been respectful to you.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

Boulder can't afford to turn on the lights (literally) and sold the municipal hospital to pay bills. It is known as anti business.

overthemoon 3 years, 11 months ago

You sure you don't mean Colorado Springs? A very conservative 'pro business' anti tax place where they can't afford to clear the streets after a snow storm...because they sold the snow removal equipment.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

You are correct, have my Colorado cities mixed up. I was shocked when I heard how serious the cuts C.S. must make.

My big fear after reading about CA cities going broke is most just hand over policing duties to the county.

woodscolt 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes Tom, it is very obvious with most all of your posts that reality terrifies you.

Mike Ford 3 years, 11 months ago

I like the fact that dumblicans have to admit the largess of their ignorance. They can't be in 1955 forever. Furthermore, I wonder how apologizing they're going to have to do in light of the Democratic Congresswoman that was shot twenty minutes ago in Tuscon, AZ doing a constituency meeting at a safeway. I wonder if the tealicans and the dumblicans said just enough hateful stuff to drive some dimwit to fire into the crowd of a Democratic congresswoman and seriously wound her and her staff. You know morals and religion amongst these people brings out enlightened actions. Just ask Scott Roeder about this...

whatadrag 3 years, 11 months ago

I have trouble reading your material. Also, you don't need to hit enter after every 10-12 words. The words will move to the next line automatically.

tunahelper 3 years, 11 months ago

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scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

And today we add another. Democratic US Congresswoman shot point blank by one of these crazies.
Sad, sad, sad that what the hatemongers on the right peddle so freely reaps such bitter consequences for decent Americans.
Damn them all.

May God DXXX each and every one!!

Mike Ford 3 years, 11 months ago

young caucasian shooter Jared Loughner, 22, I saw the ramblings on the facebook of the kid. Not an illegal alien as some of the finger pointing deniers would like. Congrats tea partiers 2nd amendment people, republicans, you just lit the fuse of a crazy person. Bill O'Reilly didn't light the fuse of Scott Roeder either...not at all....

tunahelper 3 years, 11 months ago

tusky and his leftist dog crap mentality. pull your head out! Gabby Giffords was a blue dog democrat that supported the 2nd Amendment. you are so silly and misinformed, as usual.

God Bless America!

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I would appreciate it if the moderators could explain why this post isn't violating the terms of service.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Is this an example of non-inflammatory, stick to the facts posting?

woodscolt 3 years, 11 months ago

"loons", lip sinking "o'rielly as usual. How did that go the other day, I think I can quote super tom making the comment that went something like this, " your name calling shows you have lost your argument" or something to that point. Not to quote orielly, but it takes a loon to make the rediculous posts tom makes everyday and not even realize how ridiculous he looks. Unfortunate.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Pima Co. Sherriff on TV now making the same sorts of statements. Political rhetoric of the right wing hate radio setting off disturbed individuals.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

What's happened to you?

Your side has gained a lot of seats nationally, and virtually dominates KS politics.

Yet you seem as angry and vitriolic as before, if not more so - why aren't you happier?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Perception is interesting.

Are you unaware of the irritating, inflammatory rhetoric coming from the right?

If you're correct about the situation with the site, you could complain to somebody, I guess, although I've been told that since it's a private site, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

I don't know what the guidelines are for banning somebody's account, or who's been banned, and for what, so I can't help with that.

It seems to me that your side (and TS's) now dominates KS politics, and should be happy about that, and not so angry at liberals, who now have very little voice in local politics - why is that not the case?

In addition, nationwide Republicans have much more power now, which should also help TS and others like that be happier - but it doesn't seem to be the case.

What's going on with that?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow.

It looks almost like the opposite to me, honestly.

Although I acknowledge, as below, that there is obnoxiousness on both sides, of course.

How are TS's posts like "What is wrong with you loons" or "... far-left posters are despicable and disgusting" sticking to facts and not being inflammatory?

tunahelper 3 years, 11 months ago

it takes no brains to be a leftist progressive. they are silly like omaba.

handlon 3 years, 11 months ago

Ok, here we go again. To prove Mr. Warrick's point, who will be willing to bet that Jared Loughner is our next badly educated, anti-government ultraconservative who succumbed to his own madness while fueled by the thoughtless, vitriolic and vicious messages that continue to pour from the mouths of the far right. Call me anything you like right-wingers....liberal, socialist, communist.... All I can tell you is that I am proud to be the liberal that I am. I believe it's now time for the left to fight back and stop the madness!!!

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Second that. These people must not be allowed to continue to destroy our country.

bearded_gnome 3 years, 11 months ago

Tuschie and others need to get a grip.

the shooter in AZ today displayed some just plain nuttiness.

however, he also wrote some antichristian biggoted stuff.
they make themselves look like utter fools trying to smear the right with this shooting, jumping on the bodies while they're still warm and twisting facts beyond recognition.

he said that he had a Bible forced on him.

craziness: he said that the government was trying to control people's minds through grammar.

but worth noting, it seems some reports have it that after Loughner started firing someone else returned fire and may have hit crazy dude.
was this from an "open carry" individual, or security? either way, the use of that second gun may have prevented further death and injury. time will tell.

*Bea, thanks for your sanity in your first post. this LTE is completely void of substance and is merely a smear.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Sherriff news conference stated there was no such return fire.

The easy availability of semi automatic weapons, however, certainly contributed to the multiple deaths and suffering. Glad we've protected the rights of crazy gun owners in this country.

spawk1 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree with the author of the letter to today's editor and am saddened that his point was proven right as the events unfolded out in Arizona. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims of the tragedy. Yes, we liberals are praying people...we also may go to church...The point is that seriously ill people are influenced by right wing rhetoric that can be found on today's airwaves. The shooter may not have considered himself to be right wing,we don't know yet, but he was anti-government. The political climate in Arizona was nasty this election year as Congresswoman Gifford had previously received threats and had enemies in the Tea Party. In this atmosphere, there is a lot of vitriol and unstable people can pick up on it and act, where as normal people would not. Therein lies the point of the letter. Timothy McVeigh and the others surely were not normal people, but they latched onto the anti-government rhetoric and acted on it. Conservatives on this site can make fun of liberals all they want, but I'd rather be a Kumbaya singin', tree hugging, peace wanting liberal any day. Luckily, we live in a country where we still have the right to choose our political persuasion. Actually, I have never hugged a tree, would love to have the SLT completed and still consider myself liberal as I was raised that way by my proudly liberal parents some 53 years ago. I am so proud to live in Lawrence and could care less what others in this state think about my town!

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree.

But it seems that the angry rhetoric of the right can often lead to violence, and is sometimes even directly stated as such - "the second amendment solution" - by politicians.

I can't recall any of these sorts of acts of violence committed by liberals, or in the name of liberal politics - anybody have any examples of that?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I wasn't thinking about going back 50 years to find them.

Yes, in the 60's there were some radical and violent left wing folks.

How about more current events - anything in the last 10 years or so?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

The comment about Black Panther voter intimidation could use a source - from what I've read, it's not clear there was any such thing.

Other claims could also use a source - I can't really comment on them without knowing more, although there's a vast difference between holding up a sign and shooting people, of course.

I would be interested in sources for the claim that there are "many current day violent left wingers" - it is possible that there are such and the media doesn't report it, but seems unlikely. And, since the media is almost completely owned by right wing corporations and individuals, it's hard to believe that coverage would be slanted left.

And, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop referring to me as a "lefty" or other such clearly derogatory (in your view) terms - have I done anything like that to you? Is that an example of non insulting and non inflammatory posting?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I have acknowledged that there were violent left wing organizations in the 60's - no denial there.

And I asked for sources.

As far as sensitivity goes, I think it's important to maintain a certain level of civility in discussion, and I strive to do that even when provoked.

By the way, substantively, I have advocated and supported many perspectives that don't fit in with "far-left" anything.

I have supported your right to believe that homosexuality is a sin. I have supported the right of racists to believe whatever they like, as long as they don't hurt somebody. I have supported the idea that smaller, more efficient government is a good idea. I advocated against, and voted against the library expansion.

So not only is the term being used in a derogatory way (which I don't like), but it's demonstrably incorrect.

I suspect that same kind of distortion shows up in other places as well.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for the link.

That is indeed horrifying, although until the point at which he advocated killing people, I thought he was just exercising his first amendment rights to express his opinion, unpleasant as it might be.

It seems to me that advocating that sort of violence is a crime - is he in jail? Was he charged with anything?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Also, did his actions result in anybody getting hurt or killed?

deec 3 years, 11 months ago

I googled one of the guys mentioned above, and the first 3 pages were blogs and conservative sites. After that I got bored looking for a reference from a newspaper or something.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

That's what I suspected.

Thanks for checking some of them out for me.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Check TS's posts.

He seems to be more angry and name-calling than ever, despite the fact that his side virtually dominates KS politics, and gained a lot of seats in the mid-term elections nationally.

As far as the rest, we'll see what happens to the various political ideologies over time - I strongly doubt that liberalism is dying. If history is any guide, we'll swing back and forth like we always seem to do.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't have any "lefty colleagues" - I just have my own ideas.

Again, why would you and TS not be incredibly happy with the results of recent elections?

Are you more concerned with anonymous posts on these comments sections?

People everywhere can be obnoxious, of course.

I haven't noticed a huge uptick in obnoxiousness on the left here - although the combination of virtually losing a voice in politics combined with continued insults and attacks from the right might upset some folks.

It seems as though nothing will suffice for the right except to utterly crush and defeat the left, not just politically but personally - why is that?

tunahelper 3 years, 11 months ago

hey coach, you hit the nail on the head! all the leftist progressives do is name calling. they are all symbolism over substance. they are all whiners.

beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

Did you just write that the only thing those "whiners" do is call people names? Really? Are you self aware enough to know what you did?

Sorry, but there is plenty of substance in things like health-care reform, allowing gays to serve openly in the military, and demanding that those facing hard times not be cut off from their paltry unemployment checks. If you look further back, there is also plenty of substance in things like the Civil Rights movement, allowing women to vote, ending slavery, etc...

Far from dying, liberalism is continuing to change the world again and again and again for the betterment of all people, not just protecting those in positions of power. Next up -- gay marriage. Once again, conservativism will find itself on the wrong side of history.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

If the issue of gay marriage gets to the current Supreme Court, they may very well vote against it, given the makeup of the court right now.

Sunny Parker 3 years, 11 months ago

I can't believe I actually live in Lawrence Ks! I'm moving out soon. You people are an embarassment!

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Bye.

Hope you find somewhere to live that suits you better.

Scott Morgan 3 years, 11 months ago

The shootings in Arizona had nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with mental illness.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Guy left a suicide note on the internet, apparently had accomplices, and asserted his 5th Amendment right immediately.

He ain't that crazy.

Perhaps sane enough to manufacture an insanity defense ahead of time?

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes.

And apparently despite the note, he's still alive.

Hmm.

ksriver2010 3 years, 11 months ago

This could have been a good letter the the editor. The first two paragraphs are great. Instead it then veers into the "thoughtless, vitriolic and vicious message" that posters above claim the Right spouts. Regardless of political leanings, taking a potshot at Koch was just plain stupid in this context. And while McVeigh and Roeder are from Kansas, Eric Rudolph is not.

Keeping more to the facts, we are already seeing a shift in Lawrence that will have ramifications in years to come. While the University and others closer to downtown (like honk for hemp guy) have definite liberal leanings, the west side (anything west of Kasold and maybe even west of Iowa) continues to grow more conservative. Go south of 1000 road and you will hear guns ablazing at any time on the weekend. And Lawrence continues to become a bedroom community for KC/OP jobs and Topeka state jobs. And most of those folks are not liberal, and would prefer their SLT bypass over a wetlands, for example. This will present an increasing conflict in city and county government in the future and should be fairly amusing to watch.

jafs 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes.

That looks the same to me, although I don't find it amusing, I find it unfortunate.

The town has already changed, in some ways for the worse, since I moved to the area about 15 years ago - I hope it doesn't continue to decline over the next 10 or so, since I'll most likely be here for them as well.

purplesage 3 years, 11 months ago

LJW - Why on earth would you print something like this? It is ignorant.

Verdad 3 years, 11 months ago

This is an interesting story about how a blogger for The Daily KOS wrote that Gifford was dead to him two days before the shooting. The Daily KOS has since tried to scrub the site but browser cache is a wonderful thing.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=249273

For the record, I'd think it was a tragedy regardless of which member of Congress was shot. An attack on one is an attack on all.

beatrice 3 years, 11 months ago

I am a self-admitted liberal. Not on all topics, but in general. I also know a lot of liberal people. I have never intentionally visited the Daily KOS site, and I'm not sure I've ever been there even by accident. More importantly, I have never had anyone I know ever mention the Daily KOS. Ever. I honestly don't know anyone who claims to read it.

The Daily KOS appears to be most often quoted on this site by conservatives (by the way, Verdad, I have no idea what your political leanings are, so maybe you can prove me wrong). It rarely appears as a source of information from liberals, based on what I have seen. It is like the magazine Playgirl -- intended for women, but actually purchased almost exclusively by gay men. The Daily KOS appears to have the same affect -- intended for liberals and read almost exclusively by conservatives with an axe to grind. Am I wrong?

jaywalker 3 years, 11 months ago

Sorry, Mr. Warrick, but your LTE is just as ridiculous as the comments by Brown. Well done.

Doug Fisher 3 years, 11 months ago

I laugh at the notion Lawrence is "too liberal". Sure it was during the racial conflict/ Vietnam protests of the 60's and 70's but most of us (myself included) weren't around for that. To most Kansans, Lawrence still is "liberal" when you realize this states politics have shifted significantly to the right over the last 15-30 years. In reality, Lawrence's politics are also shifting to the right as more Republicans move in the newer west side of town. That over time has diluted the city's predominately progressive thinking. It's moderate but not liberal like everyone thinks. Come to Eugene, OR or Berkley if you want to see "too liberal".

Verdad 3 years, 11 months ago

There are wackos everywhere. "A classmate of the man accused of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords this morning describes him as "left wing" and a "pot head" in a series of posts on Twitter this afternoon."

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

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