Archive for Wednesday, January 5, 2011

Jefferson County residents voice opinions on proposal for strip club

Lawrence businessman, owner of Paradise Saloon, wants to open new venue near Meriden

January 5, 2011


A Lawrence businessman’s proposal for a strip club just outside Meriden city limits has sparked a furor among Jefferson County residents who don’t want to see adult entertainment next to their schools.

More than 100 of those residents, many in opposition of the idea, gathered at Oskaloosa Middle School on Tuesday night to voice their opinions before the Jefferson County Planning and Zoning Commission.

“We’re just kind of devastated,” area resident Pearl Raugewitz said. “We’re a fairly small community. We have schools there and churches, and they want to bring in trash.”

The applicant is Zach Snyder, owner of the Douglas County gentlemen’s club Paradise Saloon, which sits just north of Lawrence. Snyder is asking for a conditional use permit for a sexually oriented business that serves alcohol and is a private club. The strip club would go into an existing building already along Kansas Highway 4 just east of the Meriden city limits.

The strip club would be about 900 feet away from Jefferson West High School and within 800 feet of Jefferson West Middle School. If approved, the club would share a property line with the Jefferson West Unified School District. Area resident and parent Alan Hein said he didn’t believe the club was something kids needed to see.

“I’m not opposed to them having the right to do this,” Hein said. “It’s just the location.”

Along with the two schools, Jefferson County planner Duane Buscher said the strip club would be close to a day care and homes.

Tuesday’s meeting was a continuation of a public meeting last month. In that time, Jefferson County Citizens Group has collected more that 660 signatures in opposition of the strip club.

Daniel and Pat Shimmin attended the meeting but admitted to being in the minority. Pat said she estimated 80 percent of the attendees were opposed to the proposal. The Ozawkie couple said they thought the issue was being blown out of proportion.

“What kids see outside that building is 1/16th what they can go home and watch on television or online,” Daniel said. “They’re making a mountain out of a molehill, and the poor mole’s been dead for 20 years.”

Paul Johnson, a member of the planning commission, said another continuation is scheduled for Jan. 18 at 7 p.m. and likely would be at the middle school. Johnson said he thought a recommendation would be reached at that meeting and presented to Jefferson County Commission for a final vote.


mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

I always laugh at this term "gentleman's club" You're not going to find one "gentleman" anywhere near these other desperate male losers.

Let's be more accurate....perverts club!

Deja Coffin 7 years, 1 month ago

The problem is, the people you see day to day and think are "real" gentlemen are some of the people that go to private strip clubs.

Stuart Evans 7 years, 1 month ago

perverts club, really? I'm really sorry that the thought of a woman's nude body is scary for you. I bet the whole adam/eve situation just makes you writhe in your seat.

While you are correct in one aspect; around here, there aren't a lot of gentlemen gracing the clubs, but to call them all perverts is, well, so very Puritan.

Also, this entire thing about saving the children "oh lord, the children, what will they do??" Maybe they'll grow up and not be prudish tools.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

If you are a desperate enough loser that you need to pay to see naked women, well that's too bad for you. I'm guessing you probably also frequent a number of porno websites. Maybe a prostitute or two as well??

There are some women who really desperately need a job, and this may be the only one for them. I assure you, they may appreciate the $$, but they probably have a lower opinion of the loser clients than I do.

flux 7 years, 1 month ago

I thought the essence of Christianity was compassion not judgement..... God bless you

Sean Livingstone 7 years, 1 month ago

Looking at naked women.... not really pervert... visiting a prostitute ain't pervert.... they're just irresponsible, but visiting a prostitute is a higher level of irresponsibility especially if you have a family. For single men, that's norm. It's like doing a one-night stand or hook up with someone but you just have the look or are nice enough to do so. If not, you just go to a place call strip club or maybe get yourself an escort... that's being human... that's being an animal. It's just a normal human instinct... that's why prostitution is the oldest profession on earth.... there are people who are easier to do things like that.... though I'm not one of them...

Stuart Evans 7 years, 1 month ago

you certainly are full of judgment. I don't think you have half an idea of which you speak.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

You know, I'll give you some credit there. I can proudly proclaim some ignorance; I've never been desperate enough to go into a perverts club.

All I know about those places is what I've heard from others.

You want to go to these places; fine. They are legal. Just don't expect anything short of disdain from me (or the women working in them!)

Stuart Evans 7 years, 1 month ago

what you fail to understand, is that I don't need your approval, or wishy-washy Christian moral guidance. Your disdain? oh noooo.

Deja Coffin 7 years, 1 month ago

I do believe mr_right_wing doth protest too much.

rickyricard40 7 years, 1 month ago

Now Now Children, let's not fight over a mole that's already dead.

Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

Besides, strip clubs discriminate against ugly women. Won't someone think of the uglies?

Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

Apparently you're not the only one. But I'm willing to defer to the experts, so I would ask the Speaker to strike my prior statement from the record, and I yield back the balance of my time.

Deja Coffin 7 years, 1 month ago

No kidding. Dim lighting and dark makeup can do wonders!!

mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

Don't forget about age discrimination.....I have no first hand knowledge, but I'm assuming you don't see many women 65 or over there.

somedude20 7 years, 1 month ago

"Alan Hein said he didn’t believe the club was something kids needed to see."

It is a frickin building bub. Your little kiddies eyes will only see bricks and maybe a sign that will say the name of the club. If that is too hard for your little one's eyes than you should be worried more about your child being afraid of a building than the building itself. The problem is in the people's minds as you can not see through the building only think about what is going on in it and that is their problem not the clubs or its customers


Chelsea Kapfer 7 years, 1 month ago

It may be "just a building", but they usually have pretty raunchy signs....and a lot of these clubs are open for happy hour, which is right when the kids get out of school. I wouldn't want the club next to my kids school, just like I wouldn't want any sex or alcohol based business near it.
A lot of crime seems to follow these establishments, and I think we should do everything we possibly can to protect kids. They can't protect thenselves.

Just my opinion, for whatever it's worth.

labmonkey 7 years, 1 month ago

What's the old joke... You don't pay a prostitute for the sex, you pay her to leave.

labmonkey 7 years, 1 month ago

The Tuesday morning armed and pregnant.

Deja Coffin 7 years, 1 month ago

I've seen in the one time I went to a strip club, an 8 month pregnant stripper, a 60+ topless madame, and a stripper with no teeth. Of course, that was in Junction I guess given the location, it all sounds pretty normal.

Charlie Sabotage 7 years, 1 month ago

I don't see the problem. First of all, the kids at these schools aren't old enough to get in (the majority). Second, drive your kid on 24-40 or down North second and they're going to see the "girls, girls, girls" buildings anyway. I mean, any kid in high school is probably old enough to drive and can go past any establishment they please. And if we are going to "things that are bad for children" let's keep them out of conveinence stores too, there are cigarettes there. Might give a kid an idea to smoke.
Leave them alone and let them do it. If te surrounding communities are so against then they have the choice not to attend the venue.
And why are we having board meetings against this being NEAR a school IN the school of concern? Isn't there a barn out there big enough to fit this discussion into? there are many clubs all over the world, this isn't going to be the only one these kids will ever see in their lifetime.
And I do believe it is up to the parents of the students to explain what that building would be if needed, but many of these parents can't even explain sexual education to them.
Leave them alone, if you want them gone so bad let them open up and then give them no business. I think people are just scared of what they don't know and since this is new to them it's time to get our pitchforks and go witch hunting

james bush 7 years, 1 month ago

Places like this should be located in the woods or at least away from homes and schools......and in no case should it be in my backyard.

Steve Miller 7 years, 1 month ago

know what you mean, someone may drive by and see you car there.

Kash_Encarri 7 years, 1 month ago

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justforfun 7 years, 1 month ago

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jhawkinsf 7 years, 1 month ago

If they share a property line, then that's too close to a school. Common sense dictates that the club be place somewhere else.

estespark 7 years, 1 month ago

"The strip club would be about 900 feet away from Jefferson West High School and within 800 feet of Jefferson West Middle School."

If approved, the club will be within the boundaries of the schools' drug free zone.

But I'm sure drugs won't be an issue at a gentlemen's club....

gbulldog 7 years, 1 month ago

Four reasons to support a Strip club in Meriden 1) reduce deaths on K 4 caused by drunk drivers driving from stip clubs in Topeka, 2) performers and customers maybe healthier than those in Topeka thus less chance to become infected from extracraticular activities, 3) less chance of getting caught for illegal activties by law enforcement, and 4) able to attract the upstanding citiizens in Topeka and Lawrence to be able them to do things that they would not due in their hometown. Ever see the movie Porky's,

Chelsea Kapfer 7 years, 1 month ago

so we take the drunk drivers off K-4 and put them near the schools? These bars are usually open for happy hour. I haven't seen Porky's for years! Funny, silly movie.

pooter 7 years, 1 month ago

Think of the kids, and think of the costs.

If approved, the schools wouldn't even have to load the kids onto buses for a field trip on career day.


Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

Convenient for Take Our Daughters to Work day, too.

Steve Miller 7 years, 1 month ago

It would appear that the problem with the location is that the locals want to go there, but they are afraid that their neighbors would drive by and see there vehicles parke in front of the establishment. Thats why they like the locatino to be in the " outback". Just saying..

Kash_Encarri 7 years, 1 month ago

OK, so was it asking what Anna's opinion would be that got my post pulled?

Kash_Encarri 7 years, 1 month ago

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wmathews 7 years, 1 month ago

The post was pulled for use of a swear word. TOB's post was taken down since he duplicated it in his response.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

You'll notice I mentioned nothing about that. (I don't think you were referring to me in particular anyway.) My only point on here has been that it's kinda weird to call it a 'gentleman's club" (when it's anything but.)

Jimo 7 years, 1 month ago

Cause nothing says 'Kansas Appalachia' like a strip club next to a school.

At least it will make career counseling easier.

TomKat 7 years, 1 month ago

If you want to pay for high priced beer and to look at women I have no problems with a strip club. But I've seen one too many drunk men pull into and out of the Paradise. I'd prefer not to read a headline about a crash with a high school student and a drunk man. And yes there are cars there in the early afternoon and for those lucky ones, left overs from the night before. With the construction on 24/40 in front of the paradise, most of the orange cones are taken out in front. Disrespect for others safety or too drunk to notice pulling across the road? Good luck to you Zach...I just hope it's not by a school. I hope you are a better man than that.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 1 month ago

Call it a Vocational Education satellite building.

greenworld 7 years, 1 month ago

I heard the grainery (apple valley) just closed. thats out in the middle of nowhere, whats wrong with that site?? Or would that piss off to many people that live in lakeside village(slums)

sissezz 7 years, 1 month ago

oh u all are tooooo funny today!! I cant wait to come back tomorrow!!

Clark Coan 7 years, 1 month ago

The problem with strip clubs is it amounts to mutual exploitation. The men exploit the women and the women exploit the men.

Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

"A proper-functioning strip club is a place for a mature man of wealth to help a young woman work through her daddy issues.” - Maurice Honey

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

It is sad that comments above poke fun of this topic...Bring your daughter to work day, Field trips...really? I'm assuming that the comments above, in favor of this business in this location are not residents of Jefferson County, if so then where were you when asked for speakers to speak in favor of this establishment, but you will post a comment, so that no one knows who you are, then you must not be very certain with your opinion...the only speakers in favor of were NON JF county residents and ALL that spoke in favor of would benefit financially from this business being established. Not one JF resident spoke in favor of this establishment. This type of business doesn't belong in the middle of a small town and for sure not next to a school and daycare...

Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

"but you will post a comment, so that no one knows who you are, then you must not be very certain with your opinion..."

Thus says Tact (anonymous), while opining about the motivations and locations of other people whom she does not know.


For what it's worth, I could not care less if it opens. I neither support it nor oppose it. I won't patronize it (my habitual non-patronage was exposed by experts very early in this thread) but neither do I tell other people what they ought to do with their money. If you don't like it, I suggest you don't go, either, and make sure your own daughters have better life choices than to work there.

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

These are facts, not opinions.......the only speakers in favor of were NON JF county residents and ALL that spoke in favor of would benefit financially from this business being established. Not one JF resident spoke in favor of this establishment. Facts. I'm not judging individuals that choose to engage in these types of activities, nor suggesting where and how individuals spend their money, nor do I care what goes on in these types of establishments. The concern at hand is what goes on when individuals leave these establishments. This is by far a safety concern...if individuals want to patronize these types of establishments, more power to them...The concern is with the safety of individuals because of the requested location of this business.

"Thus says Tact (anonymous), while opining about the motivations and locations of other people whom she does not know." Assuming a gender based on what you apparently read to be an opposing comment to a business of this nature... Now that is Classic....

Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

"These are facts, not opinions..."

Sure, but this sentence is full of opinions: "I'm assuming that the comments above, in favor of this business in this location are not residents of Jefferson County" - and you admitted so by saying that you were merely assuming. In my case*, they are at least partially incorrect.

What I am in favor of is a person being able to conduct honest and peaceful commerce on his own property. If it's dishonest, there are laws against that and I'm happy to see them enforced. If it's not peaceful, there are laws against that and I'm happy to see them enforced. If people are driving drunk when they leave, there are laws against that and I'm happy to see them enforced. But if the argument is merely equivalent to Jews or Moslems or Adventists trying to forbid a grocery store from selling bacon because they don't want it near them or their children, then I am very much against that use of government.

But now you have changed your tune, because your original post said nothing about "what goes on when individuals leave these establishments. This is by far a safety concern..." Rather it concerned "this type of business" being "in the middle of a small town," even though it's not in the town.

My apologies if you meant 'this type of business" was merely a bar, and had nothing to do with nekkid ladies. I am happy to stand corrected in such a case.

  • I only interject myself here because you chose to highlight my comment as one of those in favor.

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

I didn't intend to Highlight your comment as being one in favor...I happened to respond to one of your comments regarding the Bring your daughter to work day. You stated "If people are driving drunk when they leave, there are laws against that and I'm happy to see them enforced."...which I appreciate but what if that drunk driver happens to hit your spouse, mother, a sibling or a child or a good friend of yours? Or even worse an individual leaves all worked up and finds your spouse out jogging or your child out playing in the yard, where they should be safe and decides to do the unthinkable...It's way too late to see that the law be enforced then....Again, not opinions, Facts based on studies that have been done on establishments of this nature.

Bug 7 years, 1 month ago

Tact-Why would any Jefferson County citizen speak out in favor of this establishment when they knew they would be instantly attacked and derided in the meeting? Every time someone in favor of this club spoke, the crowd booed, yelled, jeered, screamed and laughed. Members of the Planning Commission included. The meetings were an overwrought, scripture quoting, bible thumping, mockery of the democratic process.

The Planning Commission chair should be ashamed of himself for allowing Jefferson County residents to act as total rubes. He should also be ashamed of himself for screaming at one of the speakers who questioned the honesty of the woman who works in the Planning office. Apparently Robert's Rules of Order have never been read, let alone followed, by this county government. Frankly, it's embarrassing, particularly with the press this is getting.

Anyone wanting to see an absolute circus should plan on attending the next meeting. I guarantee you've never seen anything like it, Phelp's protests included.

black_butterfly 7 years, 1 month ago

Don't you know that small towns/ communities have their own set of "hillbilly rules" Of course they was a hootin and a hollarin! They do what they want when they want. I doubt if any of them know what Robert's Rules of Order is. However I don't disagree with them. Anyone who doesn't mind a strip club that close to schools doesn't care a thing about children.

labmonkey 7 years, 1 month ago

Oh lighten up. You are probably the same type of person who praises Capt. Honors being removed from command.

labmonkey 7 years, 1 month ago

I actually meant that for Tact's post, not yours.

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

Lighten up? Easy for you to speak ignorance, apparently have no mature sense.... Don't judge someone for protecting their kids until you can put your kids or family in the same situation at hand & if you have no problem with an establishment of this nature being next door to your home or your child's school & daycare then please forward me your address & I'll get it to Mr. Snyder to start working on getting one there....but by your comments I'm assuming you have no children, probably a child yourself... You are probably the same type of person that welcomes sex offenders to live across from schools & daycares....

jonas_opines 7 years, 1 month ago

Tact says: "You are probably the same type of person that welcomes sex offenders to live across from schools & daycares...."

I assume your username is supposed to imply a sense of irony, then?

labmonkey 7 years, 1 month ago

Usually when someone throws the accusation of immaturity, they are immature themselves and lack the ability to frame an argument without name-calling and accusations, which your 7:35 post is full of. Your original post might have had a point, but you had to preface it by putting down some of the levity shown on this tread. Just because people made jokes does not mean they are for the building of this establishment. I am not judging those who don't want this establishment in their backyard nor am I judging those who enter these establishments. Perhaps you should change your username as you have shown very little tact. You do more harm to your argument when you act this way and come across as the way you do.

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

Um yah "labmonkey"...time to grow up...I need not to justify all the blah blah you mention are totally off the concern at hand. If you want someone to banter with, go upstairs and argue with your little sister or parents....

"Perhaps you should change your username as you have shown very little tact"....I'm surprised that you posted that for everyone to see your true intelligence....Wow! Totally clueless...

Bug 7 years, 1 month ago

C'mon Tact! I have no doubt you were one of fine citizens of Jeff Co in hysterics that I witnessed at the last two meetings. Or were you the chick that was crying while speaking about the children? Don't assume those who disagree with your viewpoints don't have kids, are immature and don't live in Jeff Co.

Have you read any credible research about sexual offenders that prey on children and where these perverts actually work and hang out? They work in schools, daycares, scout groups and churches. They inhabit establishments that HAVE CHILDREN. They do not frequent strip clubs. All this noise about the children being impacted is b.s.

Do I want this club in my backyard? No. But if you look at the zoning codes of our lovely county you will find that the brain trust that wrote them didn't exclude this type of use in the current zoning of that property. Blame your county. No amount of moaning, protesting and screaming in public meetings is going to stop this club from opening. They have county code on their side. You don't want this to happen in the future then address the gigantic loopholes in the zoning codes with the planning department and commission. That's what I'm going to do. It's too late to stop this one.

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

Oh that's right, you are the one that didn't have the guts to stand up & speak up when you had the chance because you were afraid of being booed,screamed or laughed at, that's right....and no I wasn't the "chick" that your speaking of....if you were so appalled by the actions of the "fine citizens of Jeff Co", why did you attend both meetings? Just so you had something to post about? I guess I am assuming that anyone that has children would do everything they could to protect them so anyone ok with putting a child in danger wouldn't have that parent instinct... Too bad for the kids of those parents....because I dont care what anyone says, kids can't always just protect themselves.... Never say's not over yet. Reread your "lovely county" goes way beyond that...

Bug 7 years, 1 month ago

How do you know I wasn't one of the speakers? I simply said I was embarrassed by the actions of the crowd and the commission and if I were in favor of the club, I sure wouldn't get up to speak. It was a bit too "wild west vigilante". Each person with an opinion deserves to be heard and that didn't happen. I attended both meetings because I am a citizen of Jeff Co and yes, the behavior of almost all concerned disgusted me.

I have read the county codes, the federal legislation and the site plan. Have you? No, it's not over yet but Jeff Co screwed this one up from beginning to end and haven't done themselves any favors in the meetings which is why our county is vulnerable. No amount of public protest is going to change what is already on the books. Sorry, but that's the truth. Why not put that energy into ensuring this can't happen again?

As far as maligning my parenting, try again. My kids are doing great but thanks for your concern. I don't feel a strip club puts them in danger. A Baptist church in Lawrence that has two (now convicted) pedophiles or the pervs listed on the KBI website that live in our cities are the people I'm worried about. Kids can be kept out of strip clubs but how do you protect them from the teachers, coaches, preachers and family members that prey on them? That was a rhetorical question, btw.

somedude20 7 years, 1 month ago

Did you know that children are made from sperm and an egg? Wow, I just found that out maybe if I had a strip club down the road from me as a child, i would know how things work. I have been taught that naked bodies are evil in fact, I close my eyes when I shower. I am a much better person having had my parents shelter me so much as a kid I mean if they would have allowed me to look at the outside of a house of ill repute I could have grown up to be a killer or something. That is ok i still have my faith in the lord above and I know that man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time

ralphralph 7 years, 1 month ago

The free-speech alternative to outlawing the place = Set up web-cams next door showing live shots of all the customers/johns coming and going (so to speak), with close up shots of the license plates.

shamanator 7 years, 1 month ago

The problem seems to be the location. Someone posted that it would help to eliminate drunk driving accidents for those 'gentlemen' who travel to and from the Topeka clubs. Is this proposed club going to be a juice bar? I am clueless on the hours the clubs operate, but I can see where this is really an inappropriate location. Worst case scenerio's are that some 'gentleman' gets his drink on, gets 'interested' (not sure what 'safe' word to use here) and can't get what he is after in the club, but there goes your 12-14 year daughter old trotting home from school past the place.... Another...some 'gentlemen' gets hammered and drives drunk through the school zone hits a kid, whether its during, before or after regular school hours or during a school function often held in the evening hours.
Another...dude gets drunk and doesn't live in Meriden, still has to drive say to Valley, Nortonville, Oskie, etc. So he might be a little closer to home than Topeka, he is still driving under the influence... The Paradise, the Dirty Bird, All Stars and the Outhouse (only ones I personally know of) all seem to be located either on the edge of or out of town. Fine, have the strip club, but find a more appropriate location, not next to a school, thats not even using good sense, but thats just my opinion.

Fossick 7 years, 1 month ago

"Worst case scenerio's are that some 'gentleman' gets his drink on, gets 'interested' ... and can't get what he is after in the club, but there goes your 12-14 year daughter old trotting home from school past the place...."

Yes, worst case. But she is more likely to be molested in school by a teacher. Not to open an entirely new can of worms, but of the 70+ Kansas teachers who have lost their licenses in the past decade, over half have been for indecent liberties. Bob Shoop of K-State, who specializes in these sort of things, assures us that this is 'just the tip of the iceberg,' as most cases are not reported.

Four teachers were charged in just February of last year: And even in my tiny district here in BFE, we've had 2 cases in 2 years.

Among the more local of the last 3 years: Mohamed A. Dirshe, Leavenworth, 2 16-year-old boys whom he got drunk Floyd M. Rogers Jr., Bonner Springs, 3 girls under 14 Jennifer Dawn Liskey, Topeka, a boy of 14-16

As well as one in Lawrence in June of last year, but I think the kid was 17. Now, I know it's just a tiny minority of teachers - there are some 70,000 teachers in Kansas - but unless someone can show that the problems happening outside strip bars with teenage girls that just happen to be jogging by comes anywhere near the numbers for students who are molested in school, then it's a mere hypothetical and a very poor subject upon which to expend your nervous energy. Good grief, schools aren't even open during the majority of hours the bars are.

But why take the chance, someone is sure to ask. Well, why send your kids to school? Because you don't deny people their legitimate rights on the long-shot chance that someone, somewhere, might do something bad, especially something that's already illegal for them to do under existing law. If that was the case, banning cars would be the obvious solution for drunk driving. I mean, if it only saves one life, right?

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

Whose to say that those teachers that you spoke of didn't partake in these types of activities out side of school hours. Sure the news isn't going to report that the violator had visited their local strip club the night before, but it will be mentioned that they are an educator. The media isn't clueless when it comes to writing or reporting what will raise the attention of others...look what this has turned into... It is the law to educate our children, it isn't the law to expose our children to potential unsafe atmospheres...each parent has to decide where they draw the line...its a parent's instinct and right to protect their children...Why take the chance? Very good question...

LoveThsLife 7 years, 1 month ago

What a load of crap..what about after school activities like dances and football games? Those surely happen during the hours that club would be operation. I am more concerned about drunk driving than about a kidnapping.

The intelligent thing to do is find somewhere else to have the strip club that isn't neighboring a school.

Tact 7 years, 1 month ago

Leavenworth, Bonner Springs, Topeka, and Lawrence, the areas you listed above of being involved in cases with teachers and children...all four towns have what is called an adult entertainment establishment within the town.

Chelsea Kapfer 7 years, 1 month ago

I am simply under the opinion that every single thing we can do to protect kids should be done. They can't protect themselves.

And a family member of mine was one of those children taken advantage of by a local teacher-who was tried and convicted-and it does make me consider homeschooling.

Jeez, I sound like an overprotective mom....I've got to go wrap my toddler in bubble wrap now..he falls down a lot.

jonas_opines 7 years, 1 month ago

"I am simply under the opinion that every single thing we can do to protect kids should be done. They can't protect themselves."

They can if you teach them how.

jonas_opines 7 years, 1 month ago

"Yes, worst case. But she is more likely to be molested in school by a teacher."

I imagine that if you really run the numbers, she'd be Most likely to get molested by a member of her own nuclear or extended family.

shamanator 7 years, 1 month ago

Yes, bad things happen everywhere. We can only do so much to protect kids and those on the road, after that it is up to the individual to make the right choice. Which includes teaching our kids to make good choices, hoping and praying each time they venture out they will come home unharmed. Everyone should know right from wrong but people disappoint, its human nature. As I mentioned, I have no idea what hours these clubs operate, but I do know they are open at least by 5 pm, so guys on their way home from work can enjoy a few drinks with a view.
Strip clubs will exist, its a fact, this one just needs to reconsider its location. And yes, most crimes against children are committed by a trusted adult-parent, teacher, relative, etc. But they are also committed by strangers.
Again, just pick a more appropriate location. I can't figure out why this business owner wants to go through all this garbage to open in the first place. I would guess just owning a gentlemens club has enough drama without putting it in a school zone. As for the drinking and driving and/or under the influence of whatever, I would hate to guess how many are on the road impaired whether its from alcohol, drugs, or prescription drugs. I could name about 200 people who do it daily, its messed up. Most are commuters, living in rural areas but working in the city. So putting a strip club in town will not stop that.
True, once the media gets a hold of something there are facts that will be left out or ones that will be exaggerated. Remember the song 'Dirty Laundry' 'dirty little secrets and dirty little lies, we need dirty laundry' (condensed) Or..the club owner is playing a card he knows he cannot win, gets his name out there, it draws attention to the fact that he will open a club in that area and people like us will follow this story to the end and know where the establishment will in fact advertising, marketing....just a thought

Mike Ford 7 years, 1 month ago

having finished high school in Jefferson County, I know of a couple women I went to school with who worked at these places. I also know of a couple of my female classmates who did really big things in life. I saw the high school drunkeness, the high school pregnancies, the overzealous bisexual school teachers who snowed the unknowning people of said town where I lived and wasn't dismissed until after I graduated. The look the other way morality bit that passes in these communities is always blown up by the blindsiding of reality. It's like William Faulkner putting the whole south up for scrunity again.

Carol Bowen 7 years, 1 month ago

Why does a potential business have more rights than the community? Businesses do not have constitutional rights. People do.

jonas_opines 7 years, 1 month ago

I know of very few business not owned by people.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

I am willing to be realistic; 'adult entertainment' has, and will always be part of our society.

One thing the federal government is great at, is finding (often very complicated) ways to tax everything and anything. Why is there no 'sin tax' on adult websites, magazines, books, videos and strip clubs?

Danimal 7 years, 1 month ago

Because that's stupid, that's why. Why not a "piety tax" on Bibles and religious paraphernalia while we're at it? What happened to right wingers and conservatives being against new, absurd or excessive taxes anyway? I'm not going to lie, I've been to a couple strip clubs in my life and they're generally pretty vile places filled with sad people. And putting one near a school in a small town in Kansas probably isn't the best idea someone has ever had. But, this is America so love it or leave it. There are some folks I met over in Iraq that have similar feelings about these things, maybe you should go join them? Actually, that's a bad idea, they'd probably just saw your head off. You might be okay though because there just aren't many of them left. :)

Stuart Evans 7 years, 1 month ago

you have no interest in being realistic. one thing the federal government has an interest in, is keeping you preoccupied with your morality through religious hogwash.

mr_right_wing 7 years, 1 month ago

Wow...sounds like maybe I hit a nerve there guys?

Porn already too expensive for you without the extra tax?

I have no problems with what I like to call 'voluntary tax'; booze, cigarettes..don't smoke or drink and you don't have to pay them. If only all taxes could be that way.....

That's all; you can now return to your 'adult entertainment' guys...sorry for the distraction.

luv2bsxy 7 years, 1 month ago

I'm a dancer in this area and I want to say that I don't agree that a Club should be placed anywhere near a School or a Church.....Sexual Clubs are for adults not children though I do think we can't hide it from the children and the children should be talked to about clubs I do not think they need to encounter them till they are older. As a dancer I will say this it's not all about being a slut or a whore though some of the girls are it's about the money and making the customer feel better about themselves when they leave. It's not all men either it's couples and sometimes just women by themselves. I like making people feel sexy, making them feel like someone actually likes them in a sexual manner even if I really don't. Think of it as Therapy in ways. Though sometimes there are slime balls and I can't stand them, but sometimes they are really gentlemen who are kind but just have trouble getting up the courage to talk to women so they come somewhere where the women are guaranteed to talk to them.....Men are fragile and scared like children sometimes even if they don't look or act like it all the time.

luv2bsxy 7 years, 1 month ago

It matters where they are located cause of the children.....I understand they check for cards and stuff but it's like putting a Cerilla's next to an elementary school it's just not something the children need to see. These type of establishments are for adults only not children. Children should be free of influence and not to mention what if one of those kids parents work there and all the other children see??? Not all parents want they're children knowing where they work....the child could become severely teased by the others it could be bad. I know it happens enough without the places being right by the school we don't need to make it worse.

thebigspoon 7 years, 1 month ago

If you don't want to go to it then just stay out of it... It is a free country no body is forcing you to go to it.

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