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Brownback cool to idea of removing in-state college tuition option for children of illegal immigrants

February 23, 2011

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— Gov. Sam Brownback indicated Wednesday he wasn’t supportive of a bill the House has passed that would repeal in-state tuition for some undocumented students.

Brownback, a Republican, said he was watching the legislative process on House Bill 2006 and wanted to have discussions about the issue with interested parties.

But, he added, “What I’m advocating for is things I put in the Road Map.” During his campaign, Brownback proposed a “Road Map for Kansas” that focused on the economy and education.

The House on Tuesday approved the repeal on a 72-50 vote with only Republican support. The bill now goes to the Senate for consideration.

Under current law, students are considered Kansas residents eligible for in-state tuition if they graduated from a Kansas high school or received a GED, have lived in the state for three years and pledge to become citizens.

Kansas Board of Regents said 413 students enrolled under the law last fall at state universities, community colleges and technical colleges.

The difference between in-state and out-of-state tuition is significant. A first-time freshman who entered KU last fall paid $3,938 per semester for tuition if they were considered Kansas residents. A nonresident paid $10,340.

Supporters of the current law say it provides an opportunity for students who aren’t citizens but whose parents brought them as children to Kansas. But the law’s opponents say it provides an incentive for illegal immigrants.

Brownback’s comments on the bill came after he spoke to about 80 people during Hispanic Day on the Hill.

During his speech, Brownback said the state faces many tough issues. A former U.S. Senator, Brownback said Washington politics focused on fighting, while in Kansas, “it’s about identifying a problem and solving it.”

Comments

cheeseburger 3 years, 10 months ago

Let's stop providing handouts for people who are here illegally. How can this even remotely be considered fair?

akhmatova 3 years, 10 months ago

Because these are kids who have NO CHOICE in the matter of where they live. They know no other home, have gone to Kansas high schools, and have parents who pay Kansas state taxes.

fan4kufootball 3 years, 10 months ago

I had no choice that my parents lived in MO....

Eddie Muñoz 3 years, 10 months ago

So you should have gone to Mizzou if you wanted in-state tuition.

fan4kufootball 3 years, 10 months ago

well - illegals also have a choice to go back to their "home state" for in-state tuition as well.

imastinker 3 years, 10 months ago

Then why can't these kids go to school in Mexico?

imastinker 3 years, 10 months ago

Then why can't these kids go to school in Mexico?

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 10 months ago

Right, because they're ALL from Mexico. Considering "illegal immigrant" to be synonymous with "Mexican" is one of the things that occurs in these discussions that make some folks concerned that animosity on issues relating to immigration is at least in some way racist. (I know I'm going to get yelled at for "playing the race card" but I'm just pointing out the gross stereotype implicit in your reference to Mexico.)

Oh, and I was born in Massachusetts, but my parents moved me here when I was 2. I would be at quite a loss if someone told me Kansas was not my home state and I should return to where I came from.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 10 months ago

A couple of years ago I heard the stat. that 90% of illegal immigrants were from points south of our border and that 90% of those were from Mexico. I apologize in advance if these numbers are incorrect.

ebyrdstarr 3 years, 10 months ago

Not even Fox News has stats anywhere close to that. The most recent Pew Center data I have found puts the percentage at 51-60%. Which means at least 40% and maybe as many as half aren't from Mexico.

Illegal immigrant does not equal Mexican.

jhawkinsf 3 years, 10 months ago

I got curious so I just looked it up. The U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security put the numbers at 57% of illegal immigrants here being from Mexico while another 25% are from other Latin American countries. I don't know how those numbers will influence the discussion here.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

If the parents are here illegally, how do you know they pay taxes? Any sources to support this point? They are here illegally and have demonstrated that they do not have respect for our laws so how do you know they are not working cash jobs or working at all?

And, all they have to do is pledge to become citizens so there is no guarantee that they will indeed become citizens. How about we compromise - they have to become a citizen 4 years after enrolling and do 100 hours of community service otherwise no diploma, have to repay the difference in tuition costs and are deported? And, this only applies to students here as of the effective date of the law. Remove the incentive for illegals to come to Kansas.

I could live with that compromise.

akhmatova 3 years, 10 months ago

For all we know, parents of citizens could be working cash jobs and not paying their taxes. The whole point is not to punish kids who have no choice in the matter of where they live. The world is not black and white of "good legals vs. bad illegals." People who say that they should go back to Mexico (or China, in some cases) for school are nowhere near reality: most of these kids have never been to their "home" country, and may not know any language except English.

Plus, KU wants more 4-year undergrad students. The Kansas taxpayer will not have any burden at all with these kids getting instate tuition. Why do people want innocent 17-year olds to suffer and to be uneducated, simply because of blind hatred of illegal immigrants and their political views?

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

We are not punishing anyone. How are they punished? They are simply being denied something to which they are not entitled.

If we took away something that was rightfully theirs then it might be considered punishment, but they are not US citizens and are not here legally so it is not theirs in the first place.

Are you suggesting that the tuition the student pays cover the entire cost of their education? It doesn't so by allowing them to attend, I am having to subsidize their education costs. Consequently, it is a burden on the taxpayer.

Blue_Stem 3 years, 10 months ago

Because they pay taxes on food, clothing, transportation such as GAS, automobiles, mechanical work, anything they buy just like you do and those that do not pay property taxes live in rentals like many, many others. They pay rent to their landlords that do pay property taxes. How much do rich people really pay? They spend their time, accountants and lawyers working on ways to not pay money so they can keep their money. They take vacations and have homes outside of Kansas. They fire people that don't help them to keep their money and they support through money and others areas such as advertising to buy they legislators to help them keep their money.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Okay - you're right. I was thinking in terms of income tax, but they do pay sales and fuel tax.

PaulC1958 3 years, 10 months ago

I can understand not punishing kids, but if they are 18 they are no longer a kid! Why do you want to reward an adult for the illegal activity of their parents. If my dad robs a bank while I'm a kid, should the taxpayer be forced to give me the money he stole?

emceelean 3 years, 10 months ago

Paying for their own tuition WITHOUT the possibility of tax-funded student loans is a handout how?

I repeat, their tuition cannot be subsidized with YOUR money, so how could this possibly affect you?

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Their tuition does not cover the cost of their education. This is why tax dollars go to the universities and colleges. My tax dollars are subsidizing their education.

guesswho 3 years, 10 months ago

In state tuition is not a handout for people living in Kansas. The family has paid KS taxes on their dwelling (or the landlords do). They pay taxes on their daily living expenses (food, clothes, etc).

Out of state students do have an option to pay in-state in their state of residence.

Why would we not encourage bright students to become better educated?

notanota 3 years, 10 months ago

And why would we not encourage bright and hardworking students to become legal residents and citizens by offering them a way to go to school while they work on their legal status? This law makes a lot of sense all around, which is why the Republicans supported it before they decided they'd rather cater to the xenophobic base.

GovJunkie 3 years, 10 months ago

Sammy, you are going to have a lot of esplainin' to do to your fellow conservatives if you keep talkin' this way...

Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 10 months ago

Brownback -- "It's not my fault".

Gov. Sam has empowered his fellow conservatives to push forward a radical agenda, and he is using the press to try to convince the rest of the state that he's not as radical as the agenda his supporters are championing.

The proof will be in the pudding. In the end, Brownback will have to sign all of this.

meggers 3 years, 10 months ago

I think you could substitute another word for radical and your statement would be equally true. Still starts with an "r", minus a couple of letters.

Brittanicus 3 years, 10 months ago

As more State legislators are fighting for their own survival and they enact tough illegal alien restraining enforcement the likely destination is California, Nevada, Colorado, Texas, perhaps Utah and anywhere further afield that panders to the large ethnic blocs and illegal immigrant and migrant families. One only can imagine the chaos as hundreds of thousands of these people end up in welfare lines, hospital waiting rooms and adding to even higher expenditures to join the millions already there. Countless thousands will join the already clogged neighborhoods in the social service State of California, others will go elsewhere. California is already burdened with a 24 billion dollar deficit meltdown, Nevada will be looking for another $3.billion to cover its debt as Carson City is investigating another tax hike. An estimated $113 billion dollars goes to support illegal aliens yearly and these dollars are also climbing throughout America. Many States that includes Indiana, Utah are still meandering around any no tolerance laws, which will also attract multitudes of illegal aliens looking for jobs and yet another welfare office. Now is the time to shield this nation from foreign invaders, from drug dealers, criminals and those who come and expect citizens and legally authorized residents to keep paying for the rest of the world’s poor. This is why the Tea Party was organized on a grand scale and that's why hundreds of pro-sovereignty groups are recruiting people who have just had enough of the games played by our politicians. One amnesty was enough that turned into a travesty and burned every taxpaying American. ICE should go into every Sanctuary City in force and arrest every Mayor, Elected officer who has engineered these provisions. NumbersUSA has a million regular citizens who want to prevent further exploitation of this nation by foreign countries, to elevate their pressure valve of growing impoverished, wanting populations.

Considering this Administration didn't carry on the construction of the 2006 Secure Fence Act as designed, it's no wonder the fence was mismanaged. It is supposed to be a two layer fence, electrified and topped with concertina razor wire. The border fence has not even been half completed?

Donald Trump for President? He would stop the unfair trade practices of Communist China's commerce and the billions of dollars owed that country in cheap inferior goods.

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Brittanicus 3 years, 10 months ago

NEVER-ENDING WAR

Those States that are still catering to the illegal alien invasion will not get any sympathy from the majority of Americans. By now all States have seen the developing costs associated with people stealing across our national border and entering into this country under the pretext of being a tourist or student. Every year from every corner of the world, thousands come to the US, to have their children fully aware that this child will have dual citizenship and can take financial advantage of the 14th Amendment provisions. Many States-- like the illegal alien popular State of California and now Nevada is bearing towards disaster with their unregulated use of tax dollars to pay for the education for their offspring, and the need for the uninsured--medical care. Arizona was so close the border fence that it accumulated hundreds of thousands of uninvited guests, lowering job opportunities for less educated citizens and yet hardly aiding the tax base.

Documentation from the GAO (General Accounting Office) has disclosed finally, that for every one dollar spent by illegal nationals; they get a return of between three and four dollars. But this problem is beyond credibility as the taxpayer’s bill, keeps on mounting rapidly. All politicians had better care that's happening here, because American people have finally begun to wake and learning why their taxes keep rising. As the Federal management has failed to pay attention, so the States are trying to defend their own inhabitants from illegal labor occupation. A reasonable question to ask all the leadership in Washington and all State lawmakers is where are thousands of illegal immigrants whose lives were disrupted by Arizona's policing provisions--flew to places unknown? My guess is they didn't go far?

Documentation from the GAO (General Accounting Office) has disclosed finally, that for every one dollar spent by illegal nationals; they get a return of between three and four dollars. But this problem is beyond credibility as the taxpayer’s bill, keeps on mounting rapidly. All politicians had better care that's happening here, because American people have finally begun to wake and learning why their taxes keep rising. As the Federal management has failed to pay attention, so the States are trying to defend their own inhabitants from illegal labor occupation. A reasonable question to ask all the leadership in Washington and all State lawmakers is where are thousands of illegal immigrants whose lives were disrupted by Arizona's policing provisions--flew to places unknown? My guess is they didn't go far?

MyName 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess we'll see where he really stands if he actually uses his line-item veto power.

@"Brittanicus": Is that you Arminius/Kevin? If not, it sounds like you both went to the same tinfoil hat convention.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

The line-item veto is not an option for this bill.

MyName 3 years, 10 months ago

I guess it's just a stand alone bill, in which case he'll simply have the choice to veto or not.

HispanicVietnamVet 3 years, 10 months ago

Google a reasonable portion of the sentence beginning with "Documentation ..." Then see, http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profile/DaveFrancis.

Fossick 3 years, 10 months ago

Other than this bill, Best Legislative Session ever.

jaketh 3 years, 10 months ago

Its easy to be a politician but hard to be a statesman & a true leader. Brownback & Repubs need to concentrate on jobs, growth & economy. They are getting carried away by their right-wing social agenda. This will lead to their downfall. In a solid Republican state, we have had Democratic Governors in the past all due to Repubs infighting between the moderates & right-wing. I guess, Brownback may be understands that or the fact that he needs Hispanic vote to advance his Presidential ambitions.

Jayhawks1985 3 years, 10 months ago

Well, my son shouldn't have to pay out of state then. He works and goes to school and pays Kansas taxes while he lives there. He also has relatives that live in Kansas that pay Kansas taxes. He works as hard as any illegal. I'm sure though the Governor loves all that money he is getting from my out of state tuition to change it.

jaketh 3 years, 10 months ago

This is a penny wise pound foolish idea. It is cheaper to educate a kid who has grown up here in KS regardless of their immigration status. There is little chance of them going back cause this is the only home they know. Even if we pack them away, they will be back eventually. In the end, it will cost even more to take care of an illiterate person with no skills. They will be a greater burden on society.

jaketh 3 years, 10 months ago

We have a nice looking mansion (US) next to a ghetto (Mexico & Central America). The people living in the mansions have everything while the people living next door live in squalid poverty. The people living in mansions try to prevent the poor people from getting into the mansion by building walls, barged wires, security cameras & having guards. The people living on the other side will try their very best to get in to support their family due to the empty bellies. Poverty will drive people to migrate due to survival instinct. We cannot deny human ingenuity & drive.

Civilizations have been building walls to keep various peoples out whether it is the Hadrian Wall, Great Wall or the Berlin Wall. In time, walls crumble down...

To prevent migration, we have to help Mexico & Central America develop, provide opportunities for its citizens & better governance. We also need to promote family planning in these least developed nations to control their population. By the way, the newly elected Republicans Congress backed by moral majority is cutting off funding for family planning budgets both internationally & nationally due to their narrow self-interests. We are only shooting ourselves in the foot.

Fred Mertz 3 years, 10 months ago

Obviously you have not traveled in the US much. We have real ghettos in many of our cities. Our people and especially children, go without proper nutrition, healthcare and education. Their future is bleak with no well-paying jobs available for them.

Let's start at home and fix our problems before we start solving other nations' problems.

Unlike you, I do not believe in meddling in other countrries' affairs. This has caused us problems and has turned many of the world's countries against us. If asked and if we have the resources, I support providing humanitarian aid, but stay out the nation building and government building business.

I put Americans first. Our children need food, our children need healthcare and our children need an education otherwise the cycle of poverty will never be broken in this country.

Gene Wallace 3 years, 10 months ago

CCG@Jaketh. The Berlin Wall was built to keep people IN, not out.

cowboy 3 years, 10 months ago

the text Britanicus has posted is also posted in a ton of other blogs , whats up with that Britannicus , distributed talking points or paid troll. Please do tell

storm 3 years, 10 months ago

I wonder why he said that on Hispanic Day.

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