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Arizona-style illegal immigration law to be pursued in Kansas

February 16, 2011

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— An influential Kansas House member is pursuing a proposal on illegal immigration similar to the law enacted in Arizona last year.

Kansas House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lance Kinzer told The Associated Press on Wednesday he's drafting an immigration bill.

The Olathe Republican says it will include a provision directing law enforcement officers to check the status of people they stop legally, if they have a reasonable suspicion the individuals are in the country illegally.

He expects another House committee to agree Thursday to sponsor it.

Kinzer said he and other lawmakers are working with Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a law professor on leave known nationally for helping draft the law in Arizona.

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Floyd Craig 3 years, 1 month ago

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 1 month ago

If illegal immigrants are a problem why not bust the employers?

Instead of writing more laws that will have no impact?

Stop playing bogus showroom politics and go bust the employers!!! Come on tough talking Kansas politicians show some backbone and stop wasting time and money!

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Gregory Newman 3 years, 1 month ago

Yaw don't get it !!!! The REPUGS have 2 bills in the house (1) Eliminate the minimum wage and (2) make it illegal to have unions. Therefore NO MORE BLACK OR WHITE WORKING PERIOD. They want illegal immigration. They have no problem with living with 20 in a household. They work without complaining even though they know they are being mistreated.

Yaw keep blaming Obama because you can't swallow the fact of Black leadership. White leadership created this. Some things just won't change for Blackmen. Shine shoes, entertain and defend our shores or law enforcement.

Eventually Whites will find out its their own that did em in when they can't get services from their Government but in the meantime it's socialism until it hits home. These International bankers want large profits yet Obama is saying you can make money but not at the expense of misusing natural born citizens.

You know the state of Ohio has 52 federal government contracts that has folks working. Whats up Kansans? Thats what I thought quiet on the set.

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Alyosha 3 years, 1 month ago

Why are Kansas Republicans not following Ronald Reagan's policies and thoughts on immigration?

Reagan said, "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally."

Kansas needs a solid Ronald Reagan-style, liberal solution: amnesty for those who have put down roots here, even though they might have entered the country illegally. And amnesty especially for children who had no choice in coming to the United States.

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deec 3 years, 1 month ago

While I agree that many of our current troubles originated in the '80's, I think it's likely that at least some of the illegal immigrants would strongly prefer to be here legally. If it were a simple procedure to be here and do the scut work Americans won't, I think a lot of the workers would go through that simplified procedure. It's just an opinion, and I haven't researched it. I also think we need to differentiate between the two groupls: folks who just want to make at buck at jobs and folks who are intent on making a buck through activities we deem to be illegal. Just as legalizing booze did not get rid of organized crime, legalizing drugs would not get rid of border crime. Butr it seems reasonable to assume it would help. I don't think making our whole country a gated community is a desirable goal.

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deec 3 years, 1 month ago

Why don't we set up Ellis Island style immigration ports along the southern border and be done with it? When my people came over, they went through Ellis and they were in. If you passed the health inspection and interview, you were in. You still had to work towards citizenship, but unless you were one of the groups we were restricting that decade (Irish, Chinese, Italians) it was a simple process.

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tbaker 3 years, 1 month ago

We're either a nation of laws or we aren't. Controlling our borders and regulating immigration are the most basic functions of federal government. From that standpoint alone, something must be done. That said, the US birth rate is too low to sustain our population. We need immigration. If I can track a FedEx package I mailed anywhere on Earth, or qualify for a half-million dollar home mortgage loan on-line in less than an hour, why then does it take an average of nine years for someone trying to do it right and follow our laws to become a naturalized citizen? If the pointless delay and inefficiency of our current laws were corrected, people would be far more inclined to follow them. As it is, I don't blame the vast majority of people entering our country illegally for doing what they are doing. I also believe they should be rounded up and deported. I feel sorry for them, but I care about my country more than I care about them.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 1 month ago

jhawkinsf--

You want to say that immigrants pay no taxes, but you want to make that argument by ignoring the fact that indeed they do pay taxes. And then you want to accuse me of "twisting things."

OK, so you want to limit the discussion to income taxes-- the vast majority of these folks probably don't even make minimum wage. If they were to file a 1040, they'd probably get an earned income tax credit.

Face it--While there may be legitimate reasons to oppose illegal immigration, the notion that they are "ripping off taxpayers" isn't one of them.

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local_vocal 3 years, 1 month ago

I agree, and don't just stop there. Go to the landlords. Don't allow schools to count a student who does not have papers, to be counted towards the state money per pupil (then they will be looked at as a liability not an asset) I have many friends that have came over, gained citizenship and tried to propser and succeeded. The problem is identifing the ones that are not here legally. I personally think that if a patrol officer can ask me if have been drinking (at 9:00am) for reasons to rule out DUI. He should be able to ask if you are in the country legally. If your answer leads to reasonable doubt, then he can venture to try and find out more. Just like he would on a DUI.

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usnsnp 3 years, 1 month ago

I personnaly do know how bad the illegal problem is in Kansas, but if you want to stop it, there is one simple way. Punish the CEO, President, Manager of the company that hires them, say for example for every illegal that is found in the company the CEO goes to jail for 1 month and the company is fined $100,000. Mabey this would help solve the problem.

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local_vocal 3 years, 1 month ago

People that think the cost to keep illegal immigrants is the issue, need to understand the propblems that arrive from the illegal immigrant population. I grew up in SW Kansas and up until the early 90's there was a growing increase in mexican immigrants (most legal, some not) now the expolsion of immigrants in the area is over 65%. Alot of people will say it is because of the beef/pork packing plants, they have actually been around for a lot longer than the influx of mexican immigrants. It is true that the plants employ a vast percentage of immigrants, but when your labor pool is biased towards your population percentage, then your going to have a majority of immigrants working there. As for the issue of "illegal" immigrants, that is where we need to step in. This is a grownig problem that Kansas is trying to maintian before it is out of control. I have been in an auto accident with a person who "doesn't have id, doesn't have insurance" they get a ticket but never show to court. My insurance has to foot the bill for an accident I didn't cause. The schools have to "aides" who interpret what the teacher is saying to enable the immigrants to understand. All the while, a student who understands english, has to wait. Check out the difference in enrollments at the 9th grade to 12th grade levels, vast majority of students do not finish, compared to other regions of the state. Money leaving the State, if you think it's being reinvested in the community, try getting Western Union to release numbers of money transfers. I am NOT saying that immigration is the problem, it is the "illegal" immigration that is. Many of you may not understand how fast your population might shift, if laws aren't enacted to keep the flow of immigration legal....put it on the employors, put it on the patrol officers....its only 10 years away and you will population shift of over 50% in the NE Kansas region, if we do not create the abilities to enforce "illegal" immigration.

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monkeyhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

"Feds Target Illegal Hires Expanded Government Audits Force About 1,000 Firms to Verify Workers' Status

The federal government is requiring as many as 1,000 companies to turn over their employment records for inspection, part of an expanding crackdown on businesses suspected of hiring illegal immigrants, according to people close to the Department of Homeland Security.

The audits, which the government is expected to make public in the next few days, represent the biggest such operation since 2009. At that time, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a DHS unit, conducted an auditing sweep of businesses working in public safety and national security. "

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703961104576148590023309196.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond

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northtown 3 years, 2 months ago

All a waste of time and money-And don't bad mouth those from south of the border-somebody has to do our work-Americans have gotten lazy-Just want to have clean ,nice,overpaid office jobs Take a look at yourself ,do you work? I could,any job,if i could!!!!!!!!!! All people are human,treat them as you would your brother-But the pot thing will never fly in Kansas-Does no good anyway-Been there,done that-And those that say it does help are just weak in the head---Fight for your health,don't look for something that just makes you stoned and lazy---Use your head--Think about it,and never give up I am having more surgery next week,and not looking for pot to smoke-and it sucks ,but just keep on thinking in a positive way-More than i can say for most of you folks....

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 2 months ago

How many illegal immigrants would be too many? Advocates for illegal immigration don't say how many would be enough because then they would have to admit that at some point it would be too many. There are currently between 10-12 million illegal immigrants here. Is the number 15 million?, Twenty million? We had one amnesty already and with the numbers already here de facto amnesty may be what we're heading to. But then what? More illegal immigrants?
We need a wall. We need to prosecute employers and we need to deport all illegal immigrants.

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M_12 3 years, 2 months ago

The great dichotomy of illegal immigration in America is that although most American's don't like illegal immigrants, they also don't want to pay $12 for a pint of strawberries. That's what a pint of strawberries would cost if you paid someone minimum wage and benefits to pick them. America likes the outcome that illegal immigrant labor produces--just not the illegal immigrant.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

who's gonna build your wall by Tom Russell

I got 800 miles of bolted border Right outside my door There's minutemen in little pickup trucks Who declared their own dang war Now the government wants to build a barrier like ol' berlin, 8 feet tall

But if Uncle Sam sends the illegals home Who's gonna build the wall

Who's gonna build your wall, boys Who's gonna mow your lawn Who's gonna cook your Mexican food When your Mexican maid is gone

Who's gonna wax your floors tonight Down at the local mall Who's gonna wash your baby's face Who's gonna build your wall

I ain't got no politics So don't lay that rap on me Left wing right wing up wing down I see strip malls

It's the bad cat white developer Who's created this whole damn squall It's the pyramid scheme of dirty jobs And who's gonna build your wall

Who's gonna build your wall, boys Who's gonna maow your lawn Who's gonna cook your Mexican food When your Mexican maid is gone

Who's gonna wax your floors tonight Down at the local mall Who's gonna wash your baby's face Who's gonna build your wall

We've got fundamentalist muslims We've got fundamentalist jew We've got fundamentalist Christian That'll blow the whole thing up for you

But as I travel around this big ol' world There's one thing that I most fear It's a white man in a golf shirt With a cell phone in his ear

Who's gonna build your wall, boys Who's gonna mow your lawn Who's gonna cook your Mexican food When your Mexican maid is gone

Who's gonna wax your floors tonight Down at the local mall Who's gonna wash your baby's face Who's gonna build your wall

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Agnostick 3 years, 2 months ago

Go here:

http://www.accesskansas.org/srv-campaignfinance/processIndexForm.do

Candidate Last Name: Kinzer Candidate First Name: Lance

Check the box for "Contribution Detail"

Subtotals by candidate

Hit "Continue"

You should get a page that starts out something like this:

KINZER, LANCE 04/29/2004 ABSHEER, LARRY 100.00 KINZER, LANCE Report: 200407 pg: 2 Type: Monetary from Individual 10/15/2009 ALTRIA CLIENT SERVICES INC 250.00 KINZER, LANCE Report: 201001 pg: 3 Type: Monetary from Out of State ( VA ) 08/03/2007 ALTRIA CORPORATE 250.00 KINZER, LANCE Report: 200801 pg: 2 Type: Monetary from Out of State ( NY ) 07/28/2006 ALTRIA CORPORATE SERVICES INC 300.00 KINZER, LANCE Report: 200610 pg: 2 Type: Monetary from Out of State ( NY ) 08/10/2006 AMERICAN CENTURY SERVICES CORPORATION 250.00 KINZER, LANCE Report: 200610 pg: 3 Type: Monetary from Out of State ( MO )

It's late at night, we're all adults here, so I'll use the big adult word in this next sentence, rather than some middle school euphemism.

Lance Kinzer is merely joining Kris Kobach in a bit of "legislative masturbation."

That's all this is--nothing more.

As others have pointed out, for anything like this to be truly effective, it's going to have to invoke, and enforce some serious penalties on businesses that knowingly hire illegal immigrants. Neither Kinzer nor Kobach have the stones to do that.

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evilpenguin 3 years, 2 months ago

Wow, who cares!?

Quit complaining about illegal immigrants and get back to your own lives.

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Scott Morgan 3 years, 2 months ago

Don't forget that rat Kobach wants voters to show picture I.D. too.

Stomp feet and throw a hissy fit. Squirt a couple for me. Just think of the homeless handicapped grandmas who can't afford I.D. (or parking meter fees)

grrrrrrrrrrrrrr Kobach.

The thought, having to show I.D. to vote. Just like voters have to do in Canada, Mexico and readers must do at the Lawrence Public Library when

requesting a library card.

Follow me! Protest the library.

Hell no! we won't show, Hell no! we won't show.

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Kevin Randell 3 years, 2 months ago

First, I totally agree....go after the employers and fine their butts back to the stone age. If you cut off the source of income then there is no reason to come to America for work. Personally, I have no problem with........except that I feel they should pay taxes, and be subject to the same punishments of our laws.

The reason why I say this is I point out the fact of my friend. Her husband pulled over on the side of the road one night to help someone with a flat tire. He was ran over and killed by a non-documented (illegal) immigrant. She buried her husband, and he was detained, deported, and was back in Oklahoma in 30 days. THIS kind of stuff is what I have a problem with.

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pace 3 years, 2 months ago

I don't like how much money this is going to cost. It is another shuffle the illegal immigrants dance, the state suing the feds in court and vice versa. This piece meal attack by color is attacking the wrong color. They should be attacking the green not the brown. We are going to pay for grandstanding while industries and corporations give away our jobs and take jobs from companies that are stand up. We need strong new national law. Law that follows the money, that fixes inadequate visa programs, that reward crooked corporations and industries. We can't fix the border, by more outlawing a population already outlawed. The republicans and the democrats aren't fixing employment, foreclosures of homes and businesses and border security. they are posing for pictures dancing with straw-men.

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govh8ter 3 years, 2 months ago

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macon47 3 years, 2 months ago

shall we madate sharia law and make our women wear burkras would that be cool or what

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voevoda 3 years, 2 months ago

Why would Kansas want an Arizona-style law? Even if found to be constitutional (very doubtful), such a law only empowers police in Kansas to arrest and detain illegal immigrants. It doesn't empower Kansas to deport illegals; only the Federal government can do that. As things stand, Federal immigration courts are working overtime (yes, I have a source for this statement) to deport illegal aliens, and there is a huge backlog. In the meantime, the citizens of Kansas would be paying to jail the illegals--that is, paying for their housing, food, medical care, and legal aid. Not to mention defending against the discrimination lawsuits filed by US citizens and legal residents who are wrongly arrested merely because they have "olive skin" or don't "look American." All that would be a whole lot more expensive than any drain illegal residents have on the economy. So who benefits from such a law? Kris Kobach, first of all. And also other politicians of his ilk, who ride the political wave. And other lawyers of his ilk, who will rake in huge retainers to defend the law in court. Most of all, the private prison lobby benefits, because the state would need to contract with them to accommodate the detainees.
I can't see how Kansas taxpayers gain anything at all.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 2 months ago

How much will this cost the state in legal fees? How much will it cost to enforce? Who will pick the crops? Why isn´t there more of a focus on making hiring illegals more difficult?

stupid solution that will not solve the problem, but will cost a lot of money.

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M_12 3 years, 2 months ago

What we need are walls... Really tall walls, all around the country. Really, really tall walls with lasers. Walls with lasers and a mine field. Then we can start the Purge. First the Illegals. Then the Differents. The Others. Them. Because We are Better. And if anyone thinks we aren't Better, They are not one of Us. They go over the wall too... Then We can Choose only the Ones We want to be one of Us. That is the American way.

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deec 3 years, 2 months ago

When will your boycott of corporations that employ illegal immigrants begin?

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 2 months ago

Illegal aliens should be pursued and caught and sent back to their home countries.

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deec 3 years, 2 months ago

Per capita wages: El Salvador 4,890; Guatemala 4,060; Honduras 2,580; Nicaragua 2,400; Mexico 8,950 United States 37,500 http://www.success-and-culture.net/articles/percapitaincome.shtml Any questions?

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Randall Uhrich 3 years, 2 months ago

Oh, this is just ****ing brilliant! Arizona's law has already been judged UNCONSTITUTIONAL twice, so Kansas is going to waste time and money copying them, at the same time exhibiting their rascism and exposing Kansas to even more ridicule. Your tax dollars at work!

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Patriot2 3 years, 2 months ago

The Associated Press: May 21, 2004 TOPEKA – Gov. Kathleen Sebelius signed a bill Thursday granting some illegal immigrants a tuition break at state universities and colleges. The new law, which takes effect on July 1, will extend in-state tuition, which is lower than tuition for nonresidents, to illegal immigrants who have attended a Kansas high school at least three years and graduated or earned a general educational development certificate in Kansas.

Sebelius had promised to sign the measure when it passed the Legislature earlier this month.

“Many students were on the edge of their seats, wondering, ‘Can I go to school this fall?” Elias Garcia, executive director of the Kansas Hispanic, and Latino American Affairs Commission. “The answer is a resounding yes.”

The Associated Press: January 22, 2003 Topeka — Proponents of allowing illegal immigrants to obtain Kansas driver's licenses pressed their case Tuesday with legislators and Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

"We want to do the right thing. This law, as it is now, is making criminals out of hardworking, decent people," said Emira Palacios, a member of the Wichita-based group Sunflower Community Action/Hispanos Unidos.

Currently, immigrants seeking driver's licenses must present proof that they are in the United States legally. That law was passed in 2000 after two Colorado residents were caught in Salina bringing immigrants to Kansas to obtain licenses.

A bill revising the law failed in the House last year. Palacios said illegal immigrants drive without licenses anyway.

Sebelius will continue to support efforts to grant licenses to immigrants and urged the group to work with legislators in both parties, Corcoran-Basso said.

Kansas would gain financially by granting licenses to illegal immigrants, the advocates said. Spokeswoman Sulma Mercado estimated between 30,000 and 50,000 illegal residents live in Kansas, representing between $540,000 and $900,000 in potential driver's license fees.

Rep. Tom Klein, who supported last year's bill, said legislators are subjecting illegal immigrants to a double standard.

The advocates said they also wanted to ease the rules for establishing bank accounts and to charge in-state tuition for immigrants at state universities.

*Do you need more creditable proof?**

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rudyflash 3 years, 2 months ago

Amazing that a state that is losing residents wants to kick out hard-working people who are contributing to the economy. http://www.kansascity.com/2011/02/15/2658749/kansas-considers-tax-credit-for.html

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 2 months ago

With every new piece of legislation I see coming out of the Topeka statehouse I am more and more thankful that I will be leaving it soon. I have no doubt I am not the only one who feels that way and I have no doubt there are people that will refuse to come here because of it.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 2 months ago

I wonder if Kobach will give Kansas a discount to defend this law? Doubt it. He's in it for the money.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 2 months ago

Let's just let liberals totally run things and put America out if it's misery quick. It would take about another ten years---tops.

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blindrabbit 3 years, 2 months ago

We'll have to change the name of Free State High School to Bigoted State High School!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 2 months ago

"Kinzer said he and other lawmakers are working with Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a law professor on leave known nationally for helping draft the law in Arizona."

WTF? He's may be on leave from his law professor gig, but he has a full-time job as Sec. of State-- a job that doesn't in any way deal with immigration issues.

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jhawkinsf 3 years, 2 months ago

We need to prosecute both the employer and the illegal immigrant. Taking one approach or the other will never succeed.

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Patriot2 3 years, 2 months ago

Those damned Republicans. Wanting to stop paying for medical assistance through the states Medicaid system (aka taxpayer dollars) for undocumented non-citizens (aka illegal immigrants) living among us. Wanting to stop paying for housing assistance (aka taxpayer dollars), food stamps (aka taxpayer dollars) through the federal and state Medicaid system. Wanting to stop giving tuition assistance (aka taxpayer dollars) to illegal immigrants when our own children have to pay full price..... Wanting to stop your auto insurance from sky rocketing from having to cover costs for undocumented, non-citizens who are un-insured (aka illegal immigrants). Or could that actually save hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars?

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deec 3 years, 2 months ago

You are correct. However, there is no political will to actually address illegal immigration, because it is good for business, particularly the food industry. Instead, we get all these "feel good" laws that penalize and marginalize the workers. On this forum, I have suggested those who feel strongly about illegal immigration express their outrage by boycotting corporations that utilize illegal alien labor. A simple google search provides ample starting points. The response was "how should I know which head of lettuce was picked by an illegal worker?" Those who are outraged about illegal immigrants can't even bother to find out which companies exploit workers to put cheap food on their table.

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pace 3 years, 2 months ago

If you want to be effective, follow the money, Make state and federal law about what happens if you employ illegal workers.The corporations and industries who hire illegal workers should be stopped. We need more follow the money laws and less follow the color laws.
The agricultural industry will pay more if they have to hire legally, but America will end up with real savings. We have winked and nodded about people hiring the illegal worker, we punish the illegal worker and let industry use the illegal worker, the industries can cheat the illegal worker, deport them and then hire a new one. That practice is not really helpful to the american work force or to national security. The government needs a real working temporary visa program if it is necessary for Agriculture. The laws should protect citizens not piecemeal bus them to the next state or back and forth across the border. Smart laws follow the money.

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cowboy 3 years, 2 months ago

Morons You have no place to put them even if you do take some into custody , you have no money to create a facility.

Morons

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monkeyhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

How about a trade? Eliminate illegals for pot. Er, med marijuana....

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question4u 3 years, 2 months ago

And "a reasonable suspicion" that "the individuals are in the country illegally" will be based on the fact that they have an "olive complexion"?

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ophiuchus 3 years, 2 months ago

And right after illegal immigration... beach erosion.

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Brock Masters 3 years, 2 months ago

Why is it ridiculous to keep our state free of illegal immigrants?

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rooster 3 years, 2 months ago

Sweet, I love it when the Repubs waste money and time on ridiculous agenda issues. Even so called conservatives will be fighting to elect a dem soon enough.

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