Archive for Saturday, February 5, 2011

Lawrence police say proposal would better track stolen goods

February 5, 2011


— A proposal by a Lawrence legislator would require that second-hand stores maintain records of their purchases and that people selling goods show identification.

House Bill 2059, by Rep. Tom Sloan, R-Lawrence, has the support of Lawrence police who say they are facing an increasing problem in tracking down stolen property.

“Several sets of burglars we have dealt with know which stores in town have the weakest recording systems, or recording systems that they can manipulate so they do not have to present identification for their transaction,” said Detective M.T. Brown in written testimony to the House Corrections and Juvenile Justice Committee.

The bill would require that anyone selling items to a second-hand store show identification that shows their name, age, sex and address. If a minor were selling, they must be accompanied by a parent or guardian who would have to show ID.

The measure would require second-hand stores, including pawnbrokers, to keep a register of all purchases, the seller’s address, sex and age, a copy of the seller’s identification card, and a general description of the goods received. The bill would not apply to organizations, such as Goodwill, that receive donated goods.

The proposal carries a $100 fine for the first violation and $500 for each subsequent violation.

Brown said some businesses in Lawrence have complained about other businesses not taking information, receiving stolen property and increasing their inventory.

“This sets up an unfair advantage for businesses with less-than-credible business practices,” he said.


Flap Doodle 6 years, 11 months ago

Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, smitty. It's all a plot to stifle your righteous indignation.

DillonBarnes 6 years, 11 months ago

I don't see why not, sounds like a very reasonable request to me.

pace 6 years, 11 months ago

This is a reasonable law. There should be one covering recovered goods by authorities. Too much "evidence" goes missing across the state. A lot of people see their stuff at the auction. Currently there is little effort to connect recovered small items with reported theft. My friend was told the police did not have the time to go look in evidence storage for small stuff or to look at old reports when stuff is recovered. A computer generated list would at least help.

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Crazy........ Carrie neighbors was taking down I'd information of everyone.... Here is what happened and yes you can verify this it's all documented. The police contacted the ppl who had criminal records then they told them hey look you lie for us and we will see to it that your crimes are forgotten so we'll just pretend you didn't burgleriZe that house over there......

It's funny that his bill till doesn't protect the business owner ! What is going to keep the cops from claiming your working with these crooks and claim your one of them....... Nothing

Look lpd and ppl in charge if you want a system that works create an open database that some one could easily login and see if an item is stolen or not.

Because there is no way to tell for sure

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Sorry correction, Carrie was convicted of will-fully Unknowingly receiving stolen goods.

Yes, if the police claim its damn near impossible to track stolen goods How was Carrie Neighbors supposed to know ?

(her case is currently in Appeals) (and Guy Neighbors STILL has not had a trial and its been almost 7 years. )

when are these 2 innocent people going to see justice or at least an end to the corruption

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

So Carrie gets 8 years and the gov't takes her house and store building which she owned for over 27 years and now the legislature wants to setup a fine guideline of 100 to 500 dollars..?!?

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Appeals paperwork for Carrie Neighbors

You need to signup for a Pacer account. to be able to open the documents listed below.

There are a lot of documents. The LJworld needs to do a follow up story

gbulldog 6 years, 11 months ago

Sounds like a waste of time. Ever heard of Ebay and Craig's list.. Better to enact the law that you get your right hand chopped off if covicted of stealing. If you get convicted of rape, something else is chopped off.

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Yes the hand getting chopped of would be a grand idea they could only gt caught stealing twice.....

superstoked 6 years, 11 months ago

Smitty, I suggest you start posting on here when you have actually done your research before you start posting on here. I was a victim of a robbery where my things were sold to a second hand store. Do you think I ever saw those items again? NOPE. I believe that this bill will not fix ther problem but it wouldn't hurt. Try to think of people other than yourself before you post on here again.

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Dude if you really wanna think about other ppl offer a solution that would work and I can tell you first hand a workable solution would be an open database that contains a list of all items reported stolen. A second hand shop could check against that list instantly to see if items wer stolen or not.

Its the only solution that makes since

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Carrie's trail, No evidence , every witness received generous deals for giving testimony There were no victims

The judge even had to give special instructions to the jury. Telling them if they thought she unknowing bought stolen items then she is guilty.... What happened to beyond a reasonable doubt ?

I hope that the city commissioners will now do the investigation into the lpd that they promised they would do after the trial was over......

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

smitty - not all of us run and hide. Most just get tired of argueing with a person who has their own definition of "facts" and "truths". Just because you post something the CN herself wrote in an appeal motion, does NOT make it fact. I have seen people put all kinds of things in motions that never get proven as fact. But then, to you, if anyone from YH says something, it is "fact".

Sorry, the rest of the world doens't buy it.

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

I am not criticising anyone. ACCEPTING a filing is NOT the same as RULING on it. I think I will wait for the ruling to see if what she/he wrote is believed by the Judges.

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

Well you should know about cut and paste.

If only you could take your own advice: "Now can/will you contain yourself to the point of resisting comments on the subject when you have nothing to contribute?"

Amy Heeter 6 years, 11 months ago

Just because a appeal is filed it does not make the content fact. If that were the case there would be no reason to have any hearings. Pawn shops do require identification at time of pawn and upon retrieval. I feel bad for Carrie neighnors too, not becsuse she is in jail for selling stolen good but because her husband bailed on her by feigning crazy.

Amy Heeter 6 years, 11 months ago

The law does not move back only ahead. Even if they passed this on the prpcess of the trial it would not apply to this case. For the most part it was guy,s relatives who brought in the majority of stolen goods. He bailed on Carrie and left her out in the rain. You might try to look at this with a more positive eye. Much much has been learned from the yellow house fiasco and now the police want to save others from the same fate

superstoked 6 years, 11 months ago

What does this bill even have to do with the yellow house? No, where in the article does it even so much as mention the yellow house.

Amy Heeter 6 years, 11 months ago

Again I don't see any connection between seveir and yellowhouse. The bill is a attempt to protect the public from predatory thieves and shop keeps who buy stolen goods.

Amy Heeter 6 years, 11 months ago

I am talking about the. Subject of the article and pointing out where you continue to try to change the subject to suit your agenda. Now the police are trying to implement a way to keep others from commiting the same crimes as yellowhouse.

While I may agree with you on other situations I have to disagree about yellowhousr. Carrie and guy knew they were buying dorm stuff much of the time.

As for detective brown, he started off a little rough around the edges but o condsider him to be one of the better now.

You are real. Quick to defend someone who knowingly bought and sold stolen goods,,but are unwilling. To give anyonr else an even break

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

And we all know by now that if that is your thought - then it shall be law !!! Because you will say it is anyway.

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

Say it enough times and it (Carrie's Law title) become real. Use it in normal sentences and people think it is real - but then you already know that drill Smitty - it pervades everything you write on here.

Amy Heeter 6 years, 11 months ago

Smitty you cannot build Carrie up by tearing down others. That ply never works and is sure to backfire. It was always a known fact that yellow house bought and sold stolen goods. Yellowhouse had 7 years to prove the allegations were untrue but they couldn't because they buy stolen goods. They even bought stolen goods while under investigation, after bring charged. Remember what forest hump said about stupid.

On a positive note Dennis staffers bought the yellowhouse inventory and is located on 23rd under the bridge between barker and haskell.

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

arti - you, I , or the rest of thinking people in the world will not change Smitty's mind. It is a lost cause.

Question tho - you say Dennis "staffers" bought YH. Do you mean Staffers or was that a type and you meant Sterres (former Last Call/Coyotes owner) ?? Just want to know, I don't know a Dennis Staffers.

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

"It was always a known fact that yellow house bought and sold stolen goods." ... IF it was a known fact then why did it take 7 years for the LPD to attempt to prove that and all they ended up with was resorting to the bought testimony of convicted felons who were already in prison and an heavily edited recording..... and how come the LPD never had any actual Evidence over the 7 years ? Could it be because there was no crime taking place accept for the one the LPD were committing ? (Hince* why the chief of police quite and went to work for KU & 3 police officers got fired ?)

IF it was a known fact why was she in business for 27 years before the LPD started going after her ?

Somethin aint adding up.

somebodynew 6 years, 11 months ago

OK, talk about typos (can't even get that correct this morning) I mean Dennis Steffes (not Sterres). More coffee !!!!

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

The Transcripts of the Trial have been posted on the pacer Site !

But the Judge marked them as classified under seal until April,12 2011 So we have to wait a month before you can read what actually transpired in the court room.

How Fitting this case was slid under the rug and now paperwork is being concealed.

superstoked 6 years, 11 months ago

Again this article has nothing to do with the Yellow House. It also has nothing to do with the LKPD or Detective Brown being corrupt. They are just trying to protect people from having their items stolen and never recovered.

monkeywrench1969 6 years, 11 months ago

Sorry this sounds like a good idea. Have you ever had your car window broken ($100) had a friend's ipod with a 1000 songs on it stolen ($150) and some change then tried to hit the pawn shops and games stores to find the ipod with your serial number. It could be hard work unless one of the places took the ipod in on store credit because they want to track their money coming and going. Your out money for a new window because insurance doesn't cover it and your friend's out an ipod and songs (hopefully they backed it up on their computer) cause the store doesn't track their info.

puddleglum 6 years, 11 months ago

wow. where would we be without smitty (comments speak for themselves) or glockuser aka wasfresh powder aka alex?

puddleglum 6 years, 11 months ago

as for the LJworld, a little bit of checking with current statutes would reveal the fact that Pawnbrokers are already required by law to keep and forward a register of names, ID's and such to the local law enforcement. Been that way for 30 years at least.

I can help you fix your error: "The measure would require second-hand stores to keep a register of all purchases, the seller’s address, sex and age, a copy of the seller’s identification card, and a general description of the goods received.

just delete the 'including pawnbrokers' there, done.

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Carrie Neighbors Ran a Second Hand Shop not a pawn shop. need to re-check the checked Current Statutes.

Only Pawn shops are protected entities, AKA the Police Cant claim they(pawn shops) unknowingly bought stolen goods.

Carrie Neighbors Ran a second Hand store for 27 years before the LPD decided one day to claim she was part of a fencing operation. She Had no state Protection and look where we are at now.....

A police chief resigns, officers reprimanded some fired. 7 years of an innocent person being told they are incompetent to stand trial even though they have repeatedly claimed corruption and that are innocent. Federal charges dropped multiple times.

  Again Second Hand shops are not protected by Lay and the LPD can claim that they are as guilty of Crimes yet when the same thing happens at a pawn shop. The Pawn shop owners are not taken to federal court  under allegations that they unknowing bought stolen goods...

Fatty_McButterpants 6 years, 11 months ago

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gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

Smitty you are As Dangerous As Guy Neighbors.

The prosecutors in the case claimed Guy was dangerous. Not because he of violence but because he claimed he was innocent and had enough evidence to prove it but the Police needed him Shut up if they were going ton continue with their Abuse of civil rights against Carrie Neighbors.

gl0ckUser 6 years, 11 months ago

good try I am not Alex, Smitty , Carrie or Guy, but if you verify your real name I will verify mine.......

Fatty_McButterpants 6 years, 11 months ago

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 11 months ago

Every little mud-show needs a geek to caper and gibber and attract a crowd. Since LJW's last geek got disappeareded, smitty's inherited the title.

Armored_One 6 years, 11 months ago

Anyone willing to take p a collection to buy smitty a cheerleader outfit and some pom-poms?

Good lord... shaddup about it until it is ALL said and done. Until then, all you are going to do is annoy people to the point that you will be dismissed out of hand, much like any other person that rants and raves about one topic incessantly.

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