Letters to the Editor

Get lost, Grover

August 20, 2011


To the editor:

Are we going to have another fight in Congress in September? The federal gas tax expires Sept. 30, the highway agency fund will then in a short period of time go broke.House Republicans may try and let the tax expire as leverage in the budget war. One of the loudest voices for ending the gas tax is coming from Grover Norquist. When are the Republican politicians going to get the guts to tell Norquist to get lost?


Liberty_One 6 years, 7 months ago

I wonder if it occurs to Mr. McMillan that there are millions of regular people who want lower taxes and smaller government. Does he really think it's just some small group of super-villains that are to "blame" for such anti-tax views?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

And they also want to maintain the fantasy that "lower taxes and smaller government" will aid anyone but the obscenely wealthy and the corporations they own-- the ones who already run things anyway.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 7 months ago

Imagine that. Sowell makes a list of shallow assertions, and then predicts ridicule. How prescient.

Brock Masters 6 years, 7 months ago

Set aside the issue of how much taxes a corporation pays and let's focus on how much in taxes they generate. Each employee they hire pays taxes and the corporation also pays taxes on the employees income as well as often paying benefits. So even if it were true that a corporation did not pay its fair share of taxes, it does generate and pay a lot in taxes. Here are some of the things a business pays.

Employer portion (matching) of Social Security tax Employer portion (matching) of Medicare tax State unemployment tax Federal unemployment tax Worker compensation insurance Employer portion of insurance (health, dental, vision, life, disability) Employer paid holidays, vacations, and sick days Employer contributions toward 401(k), savings plans, & profit-sharing plans Employer contributions to pension plans Post-retirement health

parrothead8 6 years, 7 months ago

So what you're saying is...it's okay for a corporation to "not pay its fair share of taxes," as you put it, as long as they do other good things?

Brock Masters 6 years, 7 months ago

The real issue is defining fair share. And if it is wrong for a corporation to take a tax deduction then is it also wrong for an individual to take one too?

I'm saying you need to consider all factors and even if you might not believe that corporations are paying their fair share, take a look at how much tax they actually do pay besides on their profits.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 7 months ago

That only works if the employees they hire are Americans. Increasingly, they are not.

By the way, be sure to thank the unions and Progressive movements of our forefathers for much of the items on that list. They, at least, had the good sense to get out and wrest what they deserved from the hands of the idle rich.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 7 months ago

Most people wouldn't even know who Grover Norquist is were it not for the liberal media and their left-wing blog site pals searching out and attempting to vilify and destroy anyone who strongly opposes bloated government and confiscatory taxation.

jayhawxrok 6 years, 7 months ago

Right wing whiners are such a bore, never met a fact you can't disort or an issue you just can't lie about. House Republicans are loyal to Grover Norquist, not America.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 7 months ago

So, I take it, Senate Republicans aren't. Interesting that you'd give them a free pass.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 7 months ago

Which is half a cent. Did you ever pass sixth grade math?

cato_the_elder 6 years, 7 months ago

You didn't say, "$.50." You said, ".50 cents," which means half a cent. Read the link that you posted.

Jimo 6 years, 7 months ago

Gotta call this one for Gandalf. You'd have to be egregiously unintelligent to think that .50 cents was a coinage (a ha'penny) that doesn't exist.

Either that or a cad lacking the honesty that God gave an atheist.

cato_the_elder 6 years, 7 months ago

Looks like you didn't pass sixth grade math either.

Jimo 6 years, 7 months ago

Other recent cato lies in the last 24 hours?

"the large majority of Democrats who strongly supported the Iraq invasion"

"The notion that the Bush administration is responsible for the state of our economy when Obama took over is the biggest lie promulgated by the Hard Left in my lifetime."

cato_the_elder 6 years, 7 months ago

Both statements are true. You need to broaden your horizons and get your information from sources other than MSNBC and the Daily Kos.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

AML, your question is based on a lie and you know it.

rtwngr 6 years, 7 months ago

As a matter of fact, I am personally going to scream louder to put an end to this Federal slush fund. I say let it expire! It doesn't do anything that it was originally intended to do. So in short we are going to tell Grover Norquist to yell louder. Thanks for the heads up on this tax expiring, comrade.

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 7 months ago

Here. This is particularly appropriate here. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/19/1007359/-Impoverished-meanies-oppress-the-suffering-wealthy?via=spotlight I'm going to quote a couple of passages: "The right wing's Up-Is-Down World is a strange place where war is peace and freedom is slavery. Their current favorite theme is even more amazing: the poor are oppressing the rich.

Consider how a zombie lie showed up in a particularly malicious tweet a couple of weeks ago:

'HALF of America pays NO taxes. Zero. So they’re happy for tax rates to be raised on the other half that DOES pay any taxes.'

This lie has been debunked a zillion times. About 46% of Americans - mostly students, elderly, and unemployed - don't make enough money to pay one particular tax: the federal income tax, which (unlike most others) is progressive. Those same people shell out for payroll tax, gas tax, phone tax, sales tax, state and local taxes, you know the drill.

What struck me about the false-witnessing tweet, though, was its source: Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church and author of The Profit Driven - sorry, "Purpose Driven" Life."

'We’re dismayed at the injustice that nearly half of all Americans don’t even pay any income tax. And you know the liberals out there are saying that we need to pay more.' (Rick Parry)

"The use of the word "injustice" is not accidental. The term social justice has traditionally meant working to ease the hardships of poverty. But Perry reverses the meaning and claims the victims of injustice here are the rich people forced to shell out an extra dollar because those impoverished meanies are selfishly hoarding what little they have left."

I suggest all of you good "Christians" out there read Mark 12:41-44 Meanies.

Jimo 6 years, 7 months ago

The most exceptional thing about US exceptionalism is America's ability to tolerate foaming at the mouth wack jobs to push looney tune ideology into public affairs.

Rick Perry: Abstinence education works. look at Texas. Q: But Texas has the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the U.S. Rick Perry: But it .... it. .... it works. Q: But that's the point, isn't it: if it worked you would have low rates of teen pregnancy and declining rates of pregnancy. Rick Perry: Look, don't confuse me with facts. I know for a fact that it works. Q: But where's the evidence for that? Rick Perry: I just said, look at Texas. Q: Look at what in Texas? Rick Perry: Can't talk ... food in mouth .....mwama...mwama.............................

Cait McKnelly 6 years, 7 months ago

"Rick Perry: Can't talk ... food in mouth .....mwama...mwama............................." Too busy feeding at the trough of arrogance, ignorance and greed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-n8IT... I hope he chokes on it.

verity 6 years, 7 months ago

You can't refute the facts, so you attack the messenger.

Jimo 6 years, 7 months ago

"Unlike many who post here, I have a life and do not spend all day, every day in these forums."

Translation: When challenged I don't have anything to back my sputtering nonsense up. That's why I have to run away, so I can watch more Sean Hannity and get ready to read my Conservative Book Club comics.

Seems ole Christine O'Donnell pulled that same escape act this week on CNN.

jafs 6 years, 7 months ago

That was fascinating.

Morgan asked her a question about gay marriage, to which she replied she wanted to talk about topics from her book.

When he asked, she acknowledged that she talks about her religious beliefs in the book, which obviously includes her feelings/beliefs about homosexuality.

But then she didn't want to talk about it, saying doesn't he think she should get to decide what the interview covers.

When he says no, she simply leaves.

Jimo 6 years, 7 months ago

To think that if the GOP didn't keep nominating nitwits like O'Donnell in Delaware, Sharon Angle in Nevada, Joe Miller in Alaska, Ken Buck in Colorado, Linda McMahon in Connecticut, and John Raese in West Virginia, they'd be in control of the Senate right now.

Seriously, the one election in half a century Democrats didn't bother to show up for and this was the one where they put forward the most incompetent screwups that could be found.

Jimo 6 years, 7 months ago

You know, when you stick to only fawning media outlets, you tend to find your nutty ideas are well received.

Even Palin eventually had to retreat to the safety of her own Facebook page where her staff can quickly remove any critical commentary.

The idea that Peirs Morgan, about as incompetent an interviewer as you could find, could provoke O'Donnell to fold by asking her about one of her favorite topics is about as laughable as you can get. Do we really need to bring out the Bill Maher tapes again?

rwwilly 6 years, 7 months ago

Has the thought ever occurred to you that "working to ease the hardships of poverty" means in the long term creating jobs (in the private sector, please) and economic expansion and not income redistribution? If you are able to show me a long term, successful job creating program as a result of a federal initative, please do so. WPA and the likes were miserable failures as was the last stimulus. Let the public keep their money...they spend it much more wisely for the general welfare than the feds.

jayhawklawrence 6 years, 7 months ago

As far as grover norquist is concerned or the koch brothers, alec or americans for prosperity; I expect to be able to vote for people who have enough character and confidence to stand on their own without joining secret groups, signing pledges or following cults.

Real americans, in my opinion, don't follow; they lead and they protect our rights regardless of how much money we have.

When money has become the driver in politics, who is going to represent you and I?

usnsnp 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree the gas tax is regressive, it effect lower wage earners and the middle class more than it does the upper wage earners. As for that statment ride the T for a quarter that would be good if Lawrence or the area serviced by the T supplied all the jobs for the people living in Lawrence. As for the Federal gas tax has not been raised since 1993 so due to inflation the 18.5 cents is only worth 11 cents now. As for the gas tax not doing what it was ment for, a large part of improving highway 59 is federal funds, Interstate 35 is federaly funded, all interstates are federally funded, or state, county and city roads get federal money to help keep them up. If the federal government did help supply money for theis projects our state and local taxes would be two to three times higher. I know there will be people making dispariging remarks but unless you have wings and can fly you use the roads of the United States, and only if you grow all your own food, make your own material, make your own clothing, etc. the trucks that move things use the roads also. If you want to complain about taxes, how about sales tax on food and medicin.

Mike Ford 6 years, 7 months ago

Grover Nordquist was in alliance with Jack Abramov when Mr. Abramov ripped off the Saginaw Chippewas, Louisiana Coushattas, and the Mississippi Choctaws, amongst others, as a fraudulent lobbyist who bilked tens of millions of dollars from a number of tribes. Mr. Abramov was caught on e mail calling my Choctaw people monkies. US Senator Ben Campbell verbally destroyed Mr. Abramov in a senate hearing on c-span for that comment. Old jailbird Tom Delay was behind the lobbying efforts of Mr. Abramov as Mr. Abramov was a good neocon in training. Mr. Nordquist was involved in a book touting the accomplishments of the Mississippi Choctaw people but they have since distanced themselves from him. Ahalabi Chitto (big liars) are the gop.

Richard Heckler 6 years, 7 months ago

The neoconservative fundamentalist christian party love the Norquist and Koch plans to wreck state government after destroying the USA economy in Reagan/Bush years and Bush/Cheney years

The repub economic platform: a plan that never died! TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros sells out state governments http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

Hudson Luce 6 years, 7 months ago

If you want roads and highways, you're going to pay for them one way or another. We could have all the highways in Kansas be toll roads, like the privately-owned and operated Kansas Turnpike. You pay a toll, and you get to use the road. No tax dollars go to pay for the road. If we did away with the Federal gas tax, the remaining US highways in Kansas might end up as toll roads. That might be a good solution. Local and county roads are maintained by local tax collections, both on property and gasoline, which is why you see very few paved roads outside of the cities - most are gravel or oiled gravel (chip and seal).

Ron Holzwarth 6 years, 7 months ago

Maybe we should all spend some time driving around in Europe, where the selling price of gasoline is $5 to $7 a gallon, and then when we came back home we would be very happy with how cheap it is here!

Gasoline is very heavily taxed in Europe as a general revenue enhancing measure. But, there is one big advantage that the people in Europe have - they have much more efficient public transportation systems.

I certainly think that the T bus would not be so derided if gasoline were selling at European prices.

Grundoon Luna 6 years, 7 months ago

Most European countries are not OPEC and we are. As such we should pay less for petrol. I do agree we need more efficient, and just more period, public transit.

Carol Bowen 6 years, 7 months ago

Has everyone forgotten that the gasoline tax is used for highways? It's a flat 18 cents per gallon regardless of the price of gas. Fine by me, if we do not maintain or improve the highways. If you do want them maintained, how will we pay for it without a tax?

coloradoan 6 years, 7 months ago

Exactly. While reading the piece and some comments, I am trying to imagine the response from all the highway contractors when 90 percent of the money that pays for road construction and maintenance disappears. Well, I really don't have to imagine - the proposal to cut the gas tax simply will not happen. Kansas and most states cannnot fund the roads by themselves, at least not in the relatively good conditions that they are now in.

And, oh yeah, what about the jobs associated with that road work?

Anyway, good luck with that!

Paul R Getto 6 years, 7 months ago

BornAgainAmerican (anonymous) replies… Daily Kos?! The far left liberal rag that is backed by George Soros who has vowed to end US exceptionalism because it stops him from making even more money than he has already? Sheeesh! ======== "Exceptionalism" is another myth, just like the skygod of those who propose this fantasy. America is lucky because we stumbled onto the last good piece of dirt in the world and had the technology to destroy those who were already here. End of story.

Jan Rolls 6 years, 7 months ago

There are going to be a lot of one and done republicans next election. Grover has backed them into a corner and they can't get out. I can see some of the ads now. Rep joe blow has vowed his allegiance to grover and will not require the rich to help leaving the burden on the middle class and poor to pay the price. Rep joe blow wants to wipe out social security and medicare so the rich can get their hands on the money. Rep joe blow says the rich are more important than those on social security. I can think of at least 10 more ads just off the top of my head. Welcome to the unemployment line you right wing uncaring jerks.

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