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August 7, 2011

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To the editor:

Cicero, an old Roman, once said, “To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child.” A cynical man (ahem), would ponder upon whether the Republicans have taken Cicero to heart and learned their historical lessons well.

The first time the Republicans caused a nationwide economic collapse (Great Depression), it ushered in a 30-year-plus era of mostly Democratic Party rule, creating sweeping, positive economic security, benefiting the majority of Americans and created a thriving middle class, the envy of the world.

So what were Republicans to do after they created their second nationwide economic collapse? Mustn’t repeat the “mistakes” of the past, letting President Roosevelt save the country and usher in decades of Democratic rule, powered by a grateful electorate.

A cynical man might think that Republicans (remembering and learning from their history) have chosen to sabotage the present economic recovery at every turn, filibustering every Senate economic legislative proposal, creating no House economic legislation (besides cutting taxes, always, always, ALWAYS cutting taxes for millionaires/billionaires), creating fake crises like the recent debt ceiling circus, and repeatedly, constantly, endlessly shouting the lie that Obama caused this economic mess.

While Republicans might be earning an “A” in history, forget not: 1) Democrats could figure out a way to stab themselves in the rear-end with a wet-noodle; 2) Most Americans seem too lazy to get off their rear-end and find the truth. God help our republic.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 8 months ago

Last year the disappointed progressives rioted and burned stuff in Greece. This year it's London's turn. Coming soon to a fair city near you?

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TongieBob 2 years, 8 months ago

What in the world did I write that offended someone? Please inform me? I am so mad at what is going on I shared my experience with the FDR tyranny and compared it to what is happening today. Please send me an email to explain why or how my comments were in violation of the use agreement. If you would like me to call you or even come down and discuss this I am available. I said nothing inappropriate.

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TongieBob 2 years, 8 months ago

I read the crap written above and can't help but shake my head at you morons. I was born in 1930 and grew up during the Roosevelt administration. It wasn't roses and sweet molasses candies, it was forced labor, it was stupidity, and it was unamerican. Many small companies couldn't hire people or grow because of oppressive taxes, federal, state and local. If you made a quarter uncle sam was there to take a dime, missouri took their nickel and springfield got a few pennies. Left you with almost enough for a few potatoes and an apple. I hate Roosevelt because of the NRA, not the national rifle association, but the national reconstruction act. They locked you up in a CCC camp, paid you squat, fed you crap, and sent the money home to the family after taking back 60% of it in taxes and 'expenses'. Obama is a dam socialist, wake up and smell the manure.

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 8 months ago

Probably; I think they all do that when they can.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 8 months ago

Is the current regime still meeting with lobbyists outside the White House to avoid reporting the encounters?

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Paul R Getto 2 years, 8 months ago

beatrice (anonymous) replies… "Outlawing lobbyists would be grand." === Not really. There are three constitutionally protected jobs in America (1st Amendment)... preacher, journalist and advocate (lobbyist.) We are all represented by one 'lobbyist' or another. They are not to blame; politicians who 'lie' (the only ones the sheeple will elect) are a problem, but if the voters were informed and realistic, they would not hold on to their seats, would they?

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hootyhooty 2 years, 8 months ago

"God help our republic."

I'm glad you're looking toward God for help. Thumbs up.

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Armored_One 2 years, 8 months ago

This is like a tennis match... No, really it is. Dead dog boring to watch, since all you can do is watch left, then right, then left again. A few grunts to break the monotony.

Who wants to stop playing Red Light, Green Light and actually try to fix something for a change, rather than passing blame and praising this fool or that fool and almost all, if not all, that have been quoted in this thread are dead.

I have no problems with looking to the past for inspiration, but if all you do is look behind you, you will eventually run into something or fall into something. The time has come to press on and achieve, not revel in past accomplishments and assume that things will fix themselves. Entropy is the only thing that lies at the end of that path, and most people just can't seem to be bothered enough to notice, let alone care.

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weeslicket 2 years, 8 months ago

the most important paragraph of mr. Daniel Patrick Schamle, Lawrence states:

"A cynical man might think that Republicans (remembering and learning from their history) have chosen to sabotage the present economic recovery at every turn, filibustering every Senate economic legislative proposal, creating no House economic legislation (besides cutting taxes, always, always, ALWAYS cutting taxes for millionaires/billionaires), creating fake crises like the recent debt ceiling circus, and repeatedly, constantly, endlessly shouting the lie that Obama caused this economic mess."

thus far, NO ONE has refuted this argument. seems as though mr. schamle has won this particular argument.

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bolshavik_vw 2 years, 8 months ago

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 8 months ago

The whole "pretending to be an extreme X to help the cause of Y" jazz is so 2008.

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gvnobas 2 years, 8 months ago

As a high ranking member of the Tea Party, I would like to point out that We The People have already gotten off "our rear ends" and started rising up against this tyrannical machine. Ol' Barry Obammer hasn't learned his history because he doesn't realize that for instance, 1) The Founders hated Karl Marx and Lenin (Ol' Barry loves them) 2) The Founding Fathers predicted the demise of our wondrous Republic just as soon as a President of non-Anglo-Saxon heritage was elected and 3) The Fathers considered a huge well-funded standing army to be the most important check and balance against a tyrannical regime. God help our Republic indeed. Also, the Founders hated abortions and feminists.

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Mixolydian 2 years, 8 months ago

Our current economic and political environment is akin to a married couple that have recklessly and jointly maxed out the Mastercard... where their credit debt now equals the amount of their income. Inevitably, their credit rating plummets. Instead of cutting up the card and reducing their spending, instead of actually coming up with a budget, or take on a second job to bring in some more cash to pay down their debt (not to spend on anything else BUT the debt) they:

  1. Argue over who caused more of the debt
  2. Argue over what their debt was spent on
  3. Call each other names
  4. Argue over whether they should now get a Visa or American Express card because the Mastercard is maxed out.
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Jimo 2 years, 8 months ago

House Speaker John Boehner in April reached out to financial industry leaders to ask how much time he would have to screw around with the debt ceiling before doing lasting damage to the United States. He was told that such a stunt “could have grave consequences.” http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53094.html

Congressional Republicans chose to create a crisis where there was none, to put us all at risk, and now we'll all be punished for the Tea Party's sins. Thanks again, Partiers!! You're doing a heckuva job. (But the black guy is still President. wink wink)

The GOP has been very clear that while Americans' #1 priority is jobs, the Republicans' #1 priority is making Obama a one term President. And if American jobs have to be sacrificied on the altar of partisanship then, in the words of Speaker Boehner: "so be it." They've (correctly) concluded that the only path to that end is to follow an unprecedented scorched-earth policy of unrelenting opposition to any measure that would improve the economy. The President has managed to get a few programs through sufficient to create or save millions of jobs and arrest a calamitous economic collapse. But Republicans have blocked him from doing anything more.

Instead, for the past year, we've been following Republican policies of "austerity," cutting spending from Washington, Kansas, to Washington, DC, laying off half a million government workers, letting unemployment programs expire, and yet extending tax cuts for the wealthy and welfare for corporations. Result? Things were getting better; now they're getting worse. Indeed, one quarter through the Tea Party Era, Congress has yet--yet!!--to even debate a jobs bill, let alone pass one.

Americans by an overwhelming margin blame George Bush for our economic woes. Soon, they'll be adding the Tea Party (correctly) to the list. It's no surprise that the typical Partier rally these days attracts as many tri-corner hat wearers as protestors. The day these Mad Tea Hatters are liked somewhere below a skunk but above child molesters on prison release are now upon us.

Again, thanks Partiers!! You're doing a heckuva job. Can't wait to see which comes first: Teaparty-villes of homeless unemployed veterans down by the river, taxpayer financed Revival Tents where homeless unemployed families go for a square meal and some snake-handling entertainment, or Armageddon Day when Muscular Jesus returns to kick the crap out of Marxist Kenyan Obama and his sidekicks Nancy Pelosi and Bill Ayers.

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Mixolydian 2 years, 8 months ago

When I read newspaper comment sections, I automatically stop reading when someone bastardizes a political party name or a politicians name (e.g., rethuglicans, dummiecrats, Brownstain, etc)

If you're doing that, you should know that: 1. You're not funny 2. You're not witty 3. You just label yourself as someone not worth the time to read or respond to.

I really dispair for our country when I see politicians throwing out those infantile bombs too.

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Mixolydian 2 years, 8 months ago

Speaking as an independent (once registered as a democrat) I don't care about parties, I care about policies. Right now, we need to grow the economy and shrink the government. That's going to take reform of the tax code and all entitlements. It's going to mean shrinking defense spending. It's going to mean that some members of both parties are just going to have to be brave and do the right thing, even if it means one term and done in this polarized environment.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 8 months ago

Private industry is the poster child for bureaucracy and fraud.

Why do several wealthy bureaucracies want to privatize government or certain aspects? It is certainly not to reduce bureaucracy and fraud. It's all about YOUR tax dollars moving into their bank accounts.

These several wealthy bureaucracies want their grubby paws on medicare,medicaid,Social Security and public education not because these programs are failures BUT because there are trillions of YOUR tax dollars involved. GUARANTEED PROFITS FOREVER!!!

These several wealthy bureaucracies don't pay taxes but love OUR tax dollars in their bank accounts. These several wealthy bureaucracies are lying about their motivations pure and simple.

Medicare,medicaid,Social Security and public education are quite successful which makes them quite attractive to big time profiteers.

Ask yourself: If these programs are such failures why in the hell would several wealthy bureaucracies want them in their portfolios? Trillions of your tax dollars and monster profits.

Ask yourself again why would anyone want these tax dollars investing in:

  1. Large CEO and BOD pay packages
  2. Shareholders
  3. golden parachutes
  4. corp jets
  5. special interest campaign contributions
  6. lower wages
  7. fraud
  8. Advertising
  9. No transparency
  10. offshore bank accounts to avoid paying taxes while WE taxpayers continue to shell out trillions in tax dollars

Why give up perfectly good insurance programs and public education all of which are best bangs for the tax buck?

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Mike Ford 2 years, 8 months ago

naw, this is history from my junior and senior year high school classes twenty two years ago courtesy of Mrs. Barbara Dale and my American History classes at Baker, Washburn, and JCCC. I guess colleges teach lefties and the morons listen to George Will and Glen Beck. Keep rewriting history and the morons will listen. Oh yeah, and I've had a blue collar job for fourteen years...go figure...all you dumblicans and your stereotypes...you're the only morons that perpetuate and believe them.

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 8 months ago

Let's take a look at updated material and back door politics which are tools to further take the USA down.

ALEC Exposed

What is Brownback up to?

ALEC Exposed: State Legislative Bills Drafted by Secretive Corporate-Lawmaker Coalition

This week the Center for Media and Democracy released 800 model bills, legislation that is straight out of the corporate playbook and drafted by the American Legislative Exchange Council.

The group’s membership includes both state lawmakers and corporate executives who gather behind closed doors to discuss and vote on draft legislation.

ALEC has come under increasing scrutiny in recent months for its role in crafting bills to attack worker rights, to roll back environmental regulations, privatize education, deregulate major industries, and pass voter ID laws.

Thanks to ALEC, at least a dozen states have recently adopted a nearly identical resolution asking Congress to compel the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to stop regulating carbon emissions. We are joined by Lisa Graves, executive director of the Center for Media Democracy.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/15/alec_exposed_state_legislative_bills_drafted

Koch Brothers, ALEC and Their Corporate Allies Plan to Privatize Government

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/secretive_corporate_legislative_group_alec_holds

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/8/5/new_expos_tracks_alec_private_prison

http://www.truth-out.org/publicopoly-exposed/1310660473

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beaujackson 2 years, 8 months ago

There you go again, Mr. D.P.S.!

Let me guess - you work (?) for a tax supported institution and get all ALL your news from NPR, PBS, CNN, NBC, CBS, or ABC, the POLITICO, or some "Leftie"website.

Too bad.

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friendlyjhawk 2 years, 8 months ago

Ah, the Sunday morning smell of anonymous "Smarter Than You" in the LJW. Smells like roadkill. This is best reading! I can do this, I have read this (in original language), I think you are uninformed, repeating yourself, not paying attention, a blind ideolog spastically stammering. The content grinds on. It is just the absolute best thing to live in a town/area full the of best educated, most intelligent minds in the country.

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Mike Ford 2 years, 8 months ago

really tbaker??? FDR 1932-1946, Truman 1946-1952, Eisenhower 1952-1960, JFK, 1960-1963, LBJ 1963-1968. Legislation: Social Security, FDIC, CCC, labor rights, Desegregation of the US Military (which ushered the racist democrats out of our party and into the GOP after Wallace and Nixon), GI Bill, Civil Rights and Fair Housing Act, Medicare, and the lists goes on. Please show your public historical stupidity like any good tea partier. Someone wasn't paying attention in Junior American History class in High School. DUH!!!!

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Trobs 2 years, 8 months ago

Do people forget that not all of FDR's policies were successes and a large amount of the return to "normal" our country had was in large part thanks to not FDR but the sudden industrial boom due to WWII?

Don't get me wrong, the Repubs are morons who think we can continue to fund a Trillion dollar defense budget with low incomes. But to say that Democratic policies made the country what we are isn't entirely accurate. We were the only country that was untouched in terms of infrastructure and industry post WWII. That gave us a major economic advantage for a long time, and instead of adapting to changing times, we fell behind and we are in the situation we are today.

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tbaker 2 years, 8 months ago

"The first time the Republicans caused a nationwide economic collapse (Great Depression), it ushered in a 30-year-plus era of mostly Democratic Party rule, creating sweeping, positive economic security, benefiting the majority of Americans and created a thriving middle class, the envy of the world."

I've lost track of how many intellectual fallacies you've employed in this piece of tripe. Another blind ideolog spastically stammering out their line of BS in the face of an avalanche of historical facts to the contrary - yeah - thats what we need on this blog.

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Mike Ford 2 years, 8 months ago

between 1920 and 1929 this country has Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge, and Herbert Hoover. There was an anti communist scare following WW I and there was an economic bust following WW I. My great grandfather lost his Wellsville farm in 1923 due to this event. There was an obsession with religion and the Teapot Dome Scandal in Wyoming and a bunch of Osage Oil Headright owners were murdered for the oil by Mr. Hale until the federal government intervened. I should not forget the Scopes Monkey trial in 1925 either.

People speculated on the stocks and eventually lost their a$$ES on paper in October 1929. For a couple of years Herber Hoover did nothing. Vice president Charles Curtis did nothing. Hoover had been good with the food supply in Europe in WW I but this was something different. It got so bad that there were hoovertowns full of shanties. Hoover ordered Mr McArthur and the military to burn down and attack US veterans of WW I camping near D.C. demanding their war pensions. So much for republican patriotism. When FDR ran Mr. Curtis warned that only Hoover and Curtis could fix the problem and yet a couple of years passed with nothing. I read the book Charles Curtis and the Search for a Mixed Blood Identity and it made Curtis sound like Brownback at times. To reference the present I wish the gop would've been allowed to run this country totally into the ground leading up to 2008. Dumya did a pretty good job however none of the denialists on here will fess up to it. They get mad when confronted with Bush because they know it stops their arguement and so do I. The GOP in the 1930's was totally big business with none of the churchies, gunnies, or fascists that exist now. It was fairly easy to see whose side they were on. All of these clowns give them cover as they vote for nonsense and defend it. Big business sent out goons to beat up striking workers and hired scabs in the 1930's. People knew the GOP was full of it when Alf Landon got hammered in the 1936 election. However, since Civil Rights, George Wallace, Jerry Falwell, and Ronald Reagan, these people have been bent on defunding everything they lost under FDR even if it hurts the rest of the country. History is lost on people watching FOX.

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Jimo 2 years, 8 months ago

Ironic as always how a dissatisfied group of Baby Boomers yearns for the days of their childhood but don't grasp that that "Golden Era" was a product of the most liberal policies ever seen in American history whether unions, Keynesianism, the United Nations, progressive taxation, the World Bank, government funding of scientific research, child labor laws, the International Monetary Fund, consumer safety legislation, the interstate highway system, fluoridation of drinking water, etc. etc. etc. Basically everything in American history that fills Glenn Beck with hatred.

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weeslicket 2 years, 8 months ago

more quotes from cicero: - In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power. - In doubtful cases the more liberal interpretation must always be preferred. - According to the law of nature it is only fair that no one should become richer through damages and injuries suffered by another. - Nothing is so strongly fortified that it cannot be taken by money. - The enemy is within the gates; it is with our own luxury, our own folly, our own criminality that we have to contend. - The good of the people is the greatest law. and - When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff.

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cato_the_elder 2 years, 8 months ago

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Abdu Omar 2 years, 8 months ago

Uhh. I hate to mention this but the letter writer was talking about the time BEFORE WWII, not after. Let's see...after was Harry, Dwight, Jack, Lyndon, and so forth. Before the war was Roosevelt and look at the programs he started.

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Kookamooka 2 years, 8 months ago

I heard it said recently. "Greed is not the same thing as Growth." Too bad so many Republican's think it is.

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TheYetiSpeaks 2 years, 8 months ago

Cicero also might have once said, "Don't look at history and make ridiculous conjecture." As someone already pointed out, giving Democrats (or any politicians) credit for our economic recovery after WWII is insanely obscene. Not only were our factories still standing, but remember, at that time Americans still didn't consider themselves above "grunt work" like today. The jobs that generation of Americans were busting their humps for, would be jobs populated by illegals today.

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Flap Doodle 2 years, 8 months ago

How many times in the last 10 days did you post this same set of links, merrill? A dozen times? two dozen times? Have you posted it 1000 times total yet?

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 8 months ago

The icing on the cake began to surface in 1980 under Reagan/Bush known as "The Agenda".

The repub party has a long history of economic destruction which impacts hard working men and women by millions of job losses BUT NOT the bottom line of corp america. Like or not a consistent and disturbing pattern has been developed by their choosing.

After spending so so many decades in Washington D.C on tax dollar payrolls republicans are sure they learned all they needed to know about OUR money and founding reckless economies. Republicans have much experience under their belts and they never quit sharing.

For openers meet "The Agenda" the disturbing pattern of the repub platform:

  1. TABOR is Coming by Grover Norquist and Koch Bros. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

  2. The Reagan/Bush Savings and Loan Heist(Cost taxpayers $1.4 trillion) http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  3. Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers under Bush/Cheney http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  4. Bush and Henry Paulson blew the $700 billion of bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

Tax cuts that do nothing to make an economy strong or produce jobs.

  1. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts - The ENTITLEMENT program for the wealthy at the expense of the middle class http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

In the end big debt and super duper bailouts were the results of Reaganomics which does not seem to bother Republicans, as long as they are in power. Repubs see Wreckanomics as good for corp america.

In fact, by the time the second Bush left office, the national debt had grown to $12.1 trillion:

  • Over half of that amount had been created by Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy.

  • Another 30% of the national debt had been created by the tax cuts for the wealthy under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

• Fully 81% of the national debt was created by just these three Republican Presidents. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2010/0111orr.html

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Richard Heckler 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes but in defense of the letter writer the repub party set forth a pattern beginning with Richard Nixon and Watergate. Can we say crime pays.

Then there was the secret weapons deals during Reagan/Bush known as Iran-Contra. Can we use the word crime again. Weapons dealers and manufacturers are addicted to our tax dollars. The USA arms the world no matter what = even dictators and other adversaries.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4120/we_arm_the_world/

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Liberty_One 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes, yes, we all know. Team blue and team red, blah, blah, blah. How about instead we look at the actual policies? It was under Hoover that the government bought crops and burned them--not FDR. It was Hoover that pushed the first massive stimulus bill and it was Hoover who fought for wage and price controls. Many people mistakenly think FDR came up with all these ideas but it was Hoover who first tried them--with disastrous results.

Instead of looking at which team is to blame, we should look at which policies are to blame. There's no clear cut division between the GOP and the dems on many economic issues, just slightly different shades. Whether the government runs a $1.5 trillion deficit or a $1.49 trillion deficit really isn't going to change anything.

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Ron Holzwarth 2 years, 8 months ago

Crediting the Democratic party with the economic success of the USA after the devastation of so much of the infrastructure of so many other nations that occurred as a result of World War II is quite a bit of a stretch.

Fact is, our factories were never bombed, unlike many other developed nations.

It's easy to be on top when everyone else is down.

From reading your post, it appears to me as though your opinion is that the Democratic and Republican parties have a group intelligence, and they all think together and arrive at only one conclusion for every situation.

I am sure that is not the case, because both parties are composed of individuals.

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