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Opponents to South Lawrence Trafficway file appeal with U.S. Court of Appeals

April 22, 2011

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— Groups opposed to the planned South Lawrence Trafficway have asked the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to stop the $188 million project.

The filing with the Denver-based court by six environmental groups and the Prairie Band Potawatomi Nation says that the proposed route through the Baker Wetlands violates federal environmental law.

“Our main objective is to protect the wetlands,” said attorney Bob Eye, who filed the appeal.

The Federal Highway Administration and Kansas Department of Transportation have 60 days to respond.

The appeal represents another step in the battle over attempts to connect Interstate 70 and Kansas Highway 10.

In November, U.S. District Judge Kathryn Vratil issued a 59-page decision that affirmed the process used by the FHA to align an extension of the trafficway along what would be 32nd Street.

Vratil also said the federal agency incorrectly estimated that the 32nd Street alignment would cost less than a route farther south.

The environmental groups challenging the project are the Sierra Club, Jayhawk Audubon Society, Wetlands Protection Organization, Save the Wakarusa Wetlands, KU Environs and EcoJustice.

Comments

IdahoWinds 2 years, 12 months ago

OK, I will talk some more. You thought I was delusional? A "pointless project"? Boy, you just haven't been paying attention. But then that is your forte isn't it, being delusional, belligerent, and bull-headed, as well as irrational, naive, and arrogant. Fine qualities to make yourself feel good about yourself when people snicker and whisper about you behind your back!! The funding is there now - $8 bill from the one cent sales tax passed last year. Perhaps you're too busy on your delivery route to notice but the "tea-partiers" have tried to cancel the sales tax three times this session and yet their own party has resoundingly thumped their attempts each time. You might want to practice up on those swat-rolls in front of earthmovers - can't start practicing too early!

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Mike Ford 2 years, 12 months ago

good luck finding money to complete the road. maybe you can talk to some of the anti big government tea partiers about going nice and not opposing the largesse of your pointless project.

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IdahoWinds 2 years, 12 months ago

OK, I will talk all I want. Were any of those "converts" members of the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals? They are the ONLY ones that matter at this point. In a couple of months the court will have denied the opponents appeal and then there will be nothing left except laying down in front of the earth movers...good luck with that.

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Mike Ford 2 years, 12 months ago

talk all you want, I have other posters on here whom I refered to books talking about the history and the parallels of what was done then and now and they've e-mailed me back stating that the see the wrongs of what you're attempting to do. I'd say I'm winning the war of informing people to the history that people like you are oblivious to.

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IdahoWinds 2 years, 12 months ago

Tuschie, You are the one that is not grasping the facts. You continue to spout oral history that has been warped by your own mind. I'm not disputing previous tribal occupation - but they never actually "owned it" by their own admission - correct? But then you talk about Baker acquiring the 573.68 acres for $1. You somehow manage to remember the minute detail of 573.68 acres but somehow believe Baker University paid $1. Several on this blog, including me, have pointed out several times in the past that Baker did not pay ANYTHING. They signed a quit claim deed. This little point of minutia is rather irrelevant except to point out that you can't keep the facts straight - even when they are written down. How do you expect oral history to be accurate. It is irrelevant to me or 95% of the rest of Lawrence about who used to own the old Haskell Farm in the past - I did notice that you forgot to mention the half-dozen settlers between 1854 and 1902 who owned part of Sec. 18. Are they not part of your theft conspiracy? This is not about uncovering bodies that aren't there. This is not about disturbing the footsteps of children from the past. This is not about disrupting sacred wetlands. The bodies aren't there, the footsteps have long since been disturbed by others farming the area, and the sacred wetlands were not there between 1850's until the 1990's. What this seems to be about for you is "the man" not respecting your "line in the sand" or in this case mud. The current law suit has little chance of doing ANYTHING except to prolong the fight and increase the cost. There will be no more lawsuits. The statue of limitations on opposing federal funding on this issue has past. So, go ahead and ramble on. At least you can pat yourself on your own back that you tried. Try to understand that it is not a matter of being insensitive to your concerns - it is simply a calculated understanding by many, that your claims about bodies from the past and conjecture of future damage are misguided and unfounded. Ninety percent of the Baker Wetlands will still be there in all of its sacred glory after the SLT is completed. But then, why should you try to comprehend that - you didn't even comprehend that Baker did not pay $1 even though you have been told several times in the past. Facts from the proponents are irrelevant to you aren't they?

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Mike Ford 3 years ago

you carefully try to navigate and dissect the indigenous conection to the land in question. What facts do you not grasp? from millenia to the 1600's the wetlands area was Caddoan. From the 1600's to 1825 the area in question was Kaw land. From 1825 to 1854 the land in question was Shawnee land being part of a 1.6 million acre reservation. Shawnees and Wyandottes were in this area. Robert Robitaille, a Wyandot man, had an allotment of tribal land that is now old west Lawrence. You try and compartmentalize what little legitimacy you have in getting 572.68 acres for $1 and getting $8.5 million in return for being sellout scientists available to the highest bidder. I remember the article in the Baker Orange where Mr. Boyd said that Indian sacredness involved beer in his eyes and he also stated being happy with the financial arrangement. I cut and pasted the comments from the Baker Orange in a previous arguement with you. I speak above your head about the involvement of church denominations in acquiring land through nefarious means because this is how eastern Kansas was settled. It's only rambling to those who don't know history and denigrate it for their own personal or financial means while playing to a lowest common denominator mentality concerning history on these postings. I reference Carlisle and Haskell because one led to the other's existence. I watch the net all the time for accidental archaeological discoveries like the one in Utah by a utility company of 54 remains that were not previously known to be there. Keep talking and denying. If you ever build this monstrosity to sink in unstable land and have the pavement buckle as it did on many of the highways of my southwest Louisiana childhood built on levees through swamps and you hit remains, your project will be stopped. It's a shame that you don't respect others enough to avoid this, but greed is blinding I guess.

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bliddel 3 years ago

This has become an issue of church versus state. One side (the side I call the church) consists entirely of people whose basically unshakable religious beliefs about global warming or environmental protection or the evils of a motorized population or the sacred lands or whatever have incapacitated all rational discussion. On the other side (the one I call the state), you have people who just want the damn thing built, screw the cost, and they pretty much don't care about any collateral damage, because they have fought for this for over two decades.

An obvious expedient solution would be to build the SLT south of the Wakarusa, but even then, you'd stir up a whole new population of protesters willing to give their lives to prevent the building of the bypass there, and the "build at all cost" crowd would complain about the increased cost. HELLO? The cost is already increased.

So what we end up with is the inescapable conclusion that sometimes democracy just doesn't work. So it's time for war. All those opposed to SLT line up on the south bank of the Wakarusa, and all those in favor of SLT line up on the north bank, and commence to kill each other. Environmentalists, please avoid using toxic lead bullets or gunpowder - stick to biodegradable bows and arrows please, and consider the plight of poor mistreated animals. Don't fart or exhale because that's dangerous greenhouse gas, and beware of noise pollution. Those on the other side, feel free to use depleted-uranium canons, particulate-belching diesel tanks, Sarin nerve gas, and if you've got em - machine guns and thermonuclear devices.

Me? I think I'll just move to another city with more common sense, and less truck traffic and failed intersections. I'm sorry that I ever voted for Agnes T. Frog, because it was her way, or the highway, literally.

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IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Tuschie, Not a good day for you is it? Your ramblings make no sense, let alone have any relevancy to the Baker Wetlands and the SLT completion. Did I say that American Indians NEVER had anything to do with what is now the Baker Wetlands (whether you can ever accept that or not is also irrelevant)? No, what I said was there was never any evidence that 400+ Indian children were ever murdered and buried out there. It is a complete fabrication, that fortunately for you, can never be proven false. That is how science works. Not that you would ever understand that, being a non-scientist. And while we are on the subject of what you do or do not understand is that Blue Jacket crossing was down river about 5 miles, not on the southwest corner of the Baker Wetlands. According to the accounts I have seen the Indian who camped on the river bank at the southwest corner of what is now the Baker Wetlands and pulled wagons across the river simply referred to himself as "Joe" and the name of the crossing later became Blanton's Crossing for the white man that later built a ferry and then a bridge close to the Louisiana St. bridge. But then that's the problem with oral history isn't it? You think you know what you know is true but without it being written down it can easily be misconstrued into what you want it to be...and that was my other point. Oral histories are not meant to be historically accurate, they are meant to pass on traditions, morals, beliefs, etc. Most of the vile you spill out on the LJW blog is half-truths that you have spun into what you want it to say to support your warped, negative, slanderous drivel.

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Mike Ford 3 years ago

the united methodist church which in recent times has taken a more remorseful and sobering approach towards it's treatment of indigenous peoples was responsible for meddling in the affairs of the Shawnee people from Ohio to Kansas between the 1810's and 1860's in such a way that the divide and conquer doctrine handed down to them to do the US Government's dirty work led to the lands in this area including the wetlands being wrestled from them in an 1854 treaty. Since you're so dismissive of history as stated by your callous tone at the end of your comment, why do you in all of your genuisness think there is an area called Blue Jacket crossing at the southwest corner of the wetlands genuis? Thomas Blue Jacket was Shawnee as was Paschal Fish, whose daughter lent her name to Eudora, Kansas. Like a typical American, you have no idea of the history of the land you're trying to manipulate and play "GOD?" with, but you function with all of the pious arrogance of any scientist whose ever spoken condescendingly down to indigenous peoples. We've dealt with people like you for some time. Maybe if you owned this history and acted a little more remorseful you'd realize what effect your actions have on people but maybe that's asking too much. It's such a shame that you don't realize how you're acting just like those condescending religious land theifs of the 19th century that made the settlement of this area possible. Please be a hypocryte, please sanctify and justify theft, much as you've always done and be as oblivious as possible in your actions to the history of religious schools and land theft. Obliviously wonder why Ottawa, Kansas has such a name and yet Ottawa people live in Miami, Oklahoma, and why the American Baptist Church allows Ottawa tribal students to attend that college in Ottawa at discounted tuition because that denomination manipulated land theft in an 1862 treaty and built a school on Ottawa lands that wouldn't be finished until after the Ottawa people were removed to Oklahoma. Churches always have an angle figured out and it works better when people like you are oblivious to it. Oh, go to Carlisle, PA and see the volumous cemetery of Indian students at the Carlisle Indian School there and realize that Haskell was modelled after Carlisle. Maybe you've learned something today, but you probably haven't. Oh well, ignorance is bliss and so American.

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IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Don't flatter yourself about being a 1/2 lb tamarin, let alone an 800 lb gorilla. Wooo, we're scared. I guess you dropped out of law school because you finally realized it wasn't going to help you in your obsessive mind battle to get everyone you disagree with to knuckle under and admit that we (everyone non-indian) owe you (everyone in anyway related to a recognized tribe) everything and that we donate our house/land back to some unidentified tribe and move back to whatever European country our supposed ancestors immigrated from. Oral history doesn't work in a court of law does it? Are you still trying to claim Mr. Boyd and Baker stole your land...LOL! It was done within the law otherwise take them to court or shut up! No, for you the answer is to slander them because you think it is then their obligation to prove otherwise. That's not how it works - sorry, you lose again. Have you ever seriously considered what that land would be today if Baker hadn't "stolen it"? You should be thanking both Dr. Boyds for saving your precious swamplands instead of slandering them. Oh, but what about those 400-800 children that were murdered and buried in the swamplands. Again, no evidence, not even oral history in this case. Not a single tribal member stepped forward with any oral history or personal memory to support these claims. Oh, but why would tribal members talk to an anthropologist? Why not? If you don't understand the current, existing laws that govern how things work then again you lose. Having HINU students and two professors claim they have seen spirits around certain trees or a dishwasher in the dump is hardly proof in a court of law is it? Nobody can keep their mouths shut that long - somebody would have known something about murdering and burying over 400 children! Give me a break! Next time you want to preach to us heathens/non-believers, please hit "submit comment" ONLY ONCE!

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Mike Ford 3 years ago

I'm going to be the 800 pound gorilla here. What is it that Idahowinds and the rest of you' do not acknowledge? Indigenous peoples, Native Americans, American Indians, or in my case Choctaw. You disregard oral history. Really. Our oral histories existed and were passed down way before any gutenburg printing press in the 15th century A.D. You ignore where we practice religion, what we practice in our religions, and why we practice what we do. If it's not Christianity, it's not religious right? how caucasian of some people. Your churches have spent the last five hundred years trying to stop people like me from speaking Choctaw and stomp dancing because it's pagan or un american or something you made up to try and make me like you. The fact that we stand as we do in spite of all the inane and incredibly stupid comments on here speaks to our resilience in surviving you all and how unrelentingly stupid some of you are. Here we are in 2011, 100 years after the Methodist church ran US Government Indian Boarding Schools like Haskell in order to beat the Indian out of people and a Methodist college and it's scientific fame seeking minions are trying to complete the theft of religious and burial areas and ignore us and how we know more about what was done and what is still being done by churches than the churches and the christians themselves. Churches stole lands from tribes in the 1860's in Kansas like the Ottawas and the Munsees and because of Mr. Boyd and Baker they're going like it's 1860 again. I recently went to a reconciliation ceremony between United Methodist St. Pauls theology students and parisioners at a local Native American Church. These people were sincerely sorry for what their faith did to Indians in the past. It looks like none of the intelligence or remorse from these future ministers lies in the minds of any of these mindless people here. Some people I really feel sorry for but ignorance must be bliss.

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Mike Ford 3 years ago

I'm going to be the 800 pound gorilla here. What is it that Idahowinds and the rest of you' do not acknowledge? Indigenous peoples, Native Americans, American Indians, or in my case Choctaw. You disregard oral history. Really. Our oral histories existed and were passed down way before any gutenburg printing press in the 15th century A.D. You ignore where we practice religion, what we practice in our religions, and why we practice what we do. If it's not Christianity, it's not religious right? how caucasian of some people. Your churches have spent the last five hundred years trying to stop people like me from speaking Choctaw and stomp dancing because it's pagan or un american or something you made up to try and make me like you. The fact that we stand as we do in spite of all the inane and incredibly stupid comments on here speaks to our resilience in surviving you all and how unrelentingly stupid some of you are. Here we are in 2011, 100 years after the Methodist church ran US Government Indian Boarding Schools like Haskell in order to beat the Indian out of people and a Methodist college and it's scientific fame seeking minions are trying to complete the theft of religious and burial areas and ignore us and how we know more about what was done and what is still being done by churches than the churches and the christians themselves. Churches stole lands from tribes in the 1860's in Kansas like the Ottawas and the Munsees and because of Mr. Boyd and Baker they're going like it's 1860 again. I recently went to a reconciliation ceremony between United Methodist St. Pauls theology students and parisioners at a local Native American Church. These people were sincerely sorry for what their faith did to Indians in the past. It looks like none of the intelligence or remorse from these future ministers lies in the minds of any of these mindless people here. Some people I really feel sorry for but ignorance must be bliss.

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John Moore 3 years ago

The fight is over and they will build the second leg of south west traffic way. People of douglas county are tired of all the stops that the earth people are doing. You had your time in court and lost so get over it and enjoy the new ride. On other matter, what is the deal with people coming off 23rd street to Louisiana to get to Kentucky street to 6th street around 5pm? I think that when they get done with the traffic way that they should continue around to 24/40 highway. Just like I-435 which goes all around Kansas City.

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IdahoWinds 3 years ago

Let's see - the last time "us idiots" got together and spat at each other about who knew the most or was the most/least sensitive was in January. Not much has changed, except for a few names...very few. I have never been one to put a whole lot of stock in "oral history" and that is pretty much what we have on both sides. Both sides using their remembrances, or an acquaintances, to prove their point. Schewmon, Merrill, and Puddleglum are probably the best examples of re-writing oral history to conform to their point. But then on the other side we have frwent and several others who claim the wetlands are illegal (they aren't part of the city, you idiot!!!) or they are no longer of value because they claim they are man-made.

There are NO wetlands in Kansas that have not been impacted by human activity - therefore man-made. This is irrelevant folks. What is relevant is how the property functions. The restoration project to the west of Louisiana St. is a viable, vibrant wetlands and it is man made. Does that mean we discount it. Schewmon claims wetlands are precious because they are CO2 sinks - then we should complete the SLT thru the Baker Wetlands because we will gain 6 acres for every one loss. The restoration acres west of Louisiana St are carbon sinks just as much as the original so what is the problem.

Losing 56 acres will not decrease the sacredness of the Baker Wetlands. It will actually be more accessible, yet the original wetlands will be more remote. The SLT will NOT destroy the wetlands as Bozo claims - the only intact virgin wetlands will be 1/2 mile from the SLT.

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LJ Whirled 3 years ago

Get a job ... or at least take a shower.

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Floyd Craig 3 years ago

these stupid people that land hasnt been a wet land from day one when I was akif I remmber seeing a farm there house and barn where the f** did u get its never been a farm Ive been in douglas countery 60 some yrs now the longer you fight it it will cost the people of kansas more then it should have in teh first place whats your problem do you have stock in the consturction comopny n trying get more in your pockets well why dont you just drop it you look dumber each time u do this crap

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lynchburgsbest 3 years ago

in the name of beating a dead horse. as the people that keep protesting the SLT do over and over again. i say the rest of us should protest something in Lawrence that we know no matter what will not change the outcome. How about Sports facilities that always seems to get every one all hot and bothered.

I mean come on people get a life move on, no matter how many times you protest it. it will not change the outcome, as has been proven by the rulings in favor of the project by appeals courts. move on to another fight and learn to know when the fight is lost and over.

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Stacy Napier 3 years ago

Why doesn't Baker U since they own it just drain the damm thing now. That will solve the whole deal. That's what happened with the west leg and that Meads Milkweed. Endangered species, but since it was his property he went out and plowed it up. Some hippies tried to lay in front of his tractor, but that lasted just long enough for them to go to jail for tresspassing.

If you are that concerned about the enviroment. Let them build it and then use it to study the effects of the road and traffic on the wildlife.

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George Lippencott 3 years ago

When does this end?? Where is the money coming from to pay for this?? Are the taxpayers paying both sides?

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puddleglum 3 years ago

Boston dude disappears shortly thereafter and the bulldozers break out like it's the Daytona 500..."get this leg built quick-before anybody tries to get there money back!"

Anyone remember? they didn't build from the east to the west.....the didn't start at the I-70 interchange......they started exactly where the landowner group's recently sold land was located: Directly south of hwy 40 continuing on until it turned east and ran into drag strip road. Look at it on google maps, they still call parts of Wakarusa street drag strip rd.

Would you like to know more?

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puddleglum 3 years ago

anybody ever wonder how such an ambitious project was begun before the route was planned? I am against it, but mostly because of principal. I can be objective and flexible, though.

lets just forget whether you want the road built or whether you are against the road, for now.

Funny how the LJ world always makes it sound like the roadway was "interrupted"..

Fact is: The land right of way buyout process was extremely conspicuous at best-and nobody ever discusses the extreme and flagrant violation of 'conflict of interest'.

so who profited from the western leg buyout?

lets go back to the mid 80's when the first rumors of a federally funded highway-loop were circulating and exciting locals. Well, the first to get the news was......the newspaper. So, some newspaper owners-I mean 'affiliates' sought other 'friends with capital' and this secret gang went out past western Lawrence and poked around at various farmland lots. next thing you know, something very weird occurs.

I know I'm not the only one who remembers the quick purchasing of farm land and the subsequent dumping-I mean 'planting' of decrepit mobile home trailers-some of which didn't even have any windows left in them. Front doors were optional. Now why would anyone buy up farmland and then dump an old junky mobile home on it?

oh, I know: when the land buyout lawyer hired by the state of KANSAS comes knocking on the property owner's door, he brings offers of $100/acre for farmland-but if the land is considered "owner-dwelling or rental-dwelling" then he has to offer $5000/acre.

huh, that's interesting isn't it?

Oh-by the way, I know this may seem incredible for some people to swallow-but check this out: the lawyer guy hired by the state to negotiate potential land-buyout amounts was a nice ol' chap from the Boston area. Hard to believe, but this guy was secretly hired to represent the group of land owners as well (carpetbaggers gouging OUR government with YOUR tax dollars).... can you imagine the negotiations? The poor guy had to go back and forth across a table without anyone present-as these were 'private' meetings which only had to be approved by state officials after the fact... "will you take $6500/acre? we really need that lot of yours"...."hmmm, no we need to hold out for an even $8000/acre, cuz grandma Jones is buried out there in the middle of that corn field-I mean right next to that mobile home that I have been trying to rent out for the last 14 months-with no luck." "Well, okay, you guys are nice people, and I hate to displace your trailer without compensating you fairly."

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BigPrune 3 years ago

Just wait when 4-lane Highway 59 opens up between I-70 and I-35 and traffic along 23rd Street increases by another 20,000-30,000 cars a day (which is the official estimate). People will be carrying torches through the streets demanding the SLT get built (just like an old Franstein movie).

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rhd99 3 years ago

Build the SLT NOW! Since the truckers are causing pot-holes here in the county and city, how 'bout we take a bite out of their companies' profit margins and force those companies to pay for the repairs to our roads! SHOVE it, environmentalists.

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Clancy99 3 years ago

The anti-SLT folks are simply looking for meaning in their lives - it's about fighting "The Man" for them, that's why it's so out of touch with reasonable thought in terms of basic city planning.

There's a freaking highway that connects all the islands in the Florida keys - I'm sure some mud was stirred up and the fish were scared for awhile when it was built but guess what - the water and ecosystem around it are still beautiful and man got to progress into the future.

But keep fighting the man, he is evil and hates all critters - we all know that's what this is about.

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Liberty_One 3 years ago

Ahh, government waste. Thanks liberals and neocons. You guys are so similar it's eerie.

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redmoonrising 3 years ago

Ironic, two men speak, one briefly, making no sense other than to amuse himself and perhaps Darwin. The other touting the same old rhetoric, over and over and over ad nauseum. Do either really think anyone is listening or cares any longer? Personally I $ee lots of dollar $ign$ in the eye$ (pun unintended) of a lawyer. I wonder how much he personally has benefitted from this over the years? And how much his passion has cost us. Just the mind going down a few paths of it's own.

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

South of the river was the original plan long before the Chamber and developers decided to make a wrong decision to manipulate KDOT. KDOT should have remained with the original south of the river plan instead of choosing an environmentally and spiritually sensitive area.

K-10 and I-70 are connected as we speak. Keep that in mind.

"In November, U.S. District Judge Kathryn Vratil said the federal agency incorrectly estimated that the 32nd Street alignment would cost less than a route farther south."

Why pay more for an obsolete design? = reckless economics. Why was the more expensive route chosen? Taxpayers cannot afford the most expensive choice....ever.

South of the river was the original plan long before the Chamber and developers decided to make a wrong decision to manipulate KDOT. KDOT should have remained with the original south of the river plan instead of choosing an environmentally and spiritually sensitive area.

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

Suburban sprawl has been rightly blamed for many things: destroying green space, increasing air and water pollution, fracturing our neighborhoods and forcing us to drive gridlocked roads for every chore. But there is one consequence that usually goes unmentioned - sprawl is draining our pocketbooks and raising our taxes.

Sprawl is the result of over five decades of subsidies paid for by the American taxpayer. These range from the obvious to the obscure and include big projects-like the billions we spend on new roads as well as smaller ones-like the tax-breaks that encourage businesses to move to the edge of town.

We've subsidized sprawl at such a basic level for so long, that many people believe the status quo is actually fair and neutral. This is false-what we think of as a level playing field is tilted steeply in favor of sprawling development.

Sprawl wastes tax money. It pulls economic resources away from existing communities and spreads them out over sparse developments far away from the core. Taxes subsidize millions of dollars worth of new roads, new water and sewer lines, new schools and increased police and fire protection at the expense of the needs of the core communities. This leads to degradation of our older towns and cities and higher taxes.

http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/reports/

http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/reports/

http://www.sierraclub.org/sprawl/overview/

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commuter 3 years ago

gas powered lawn mowers are the root of all evil. The people who own a lawn mowing business are SO smart they to tell everyone else what to do.... Merrill time to take your meds, start mowing the lawns & stop homeschooling your kids.......

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

Wetlands are among the most productive ecosystems in the world, comparable to rain forests and coral reefs. They also are a source of substantial biodiversity in supporting numerous species from all of the major groups of organisms - from microbes to mammals.

Physical and chemical features such as climate, topography (landscape shape), geology, nutrients, and hydrology (the quantity and movement of water) help to determine the plants and animals that inhabit various wetlands.

Economic Benefits of Wetland Resources

We use many natural products from wetlands, including mammals and birds, fish and shellfish, and timber. For example, wetlands supporting timber totals about 55 million acres, two-thirds of which occurs east of the Rocky Mountains. Similarly, various plants like blueberries, cranberries, mints, and wild rice, are produced in wetlands. We also derive medicines from wetland soils and plants.

Preserving and restoring wetlands, together with other water retention, can often provide the level of flood protection otherwise provided by expensive dredging operations and levees.

The preservation of wetlands also results in many other benefits to society, such as the protection of ecologically significant fish and wildlife habitat. A good example of this is the Mississippi River's bottomland hardwood-riparian wetlands, which once stored at least 60 days of floodwater and represented significant fish and wildlife habitat. They now store only 12 days of floodwater because most have been filled, leveed, or drained, with substantial loss of fish and wildlife habitat.

Another good example is Minnesota, where the cost of replacing the natural flood control function of 5000 acres of drained wetlands was found to be $1.5 million annually.

New development brings new and more traffic congestion. And new expensive flood control that may or may not work.

Do you want flood water in your backyard,basement or living room?

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

Developers and cars are very expensive budget items. Now we have tons of new development aka expanding the tax base which is not paying back the community aka no economic growth. Something went wrong.

Higher taxes and user fees are financing what the expanded tax base is failing to do. This is not economic growth. This is you and me paying for what should be paying for itself

What do new roads bring with them? Development…..seldom long time relief from traffic congestion. New development brings new and more traffic congestion. A known fact.

Consider if residential growth paid for itself and was financially positive, we would not be in a budget crunch. But with increased numbers of houses you have increased demand on services, and historically the funding of revenues generated by residential does not pay for the services, they require from a municipality.

More highways = more cars = more people = more tax increases.

Developers consistently increase our taxes

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Noweigh 3 years ago

Many of the same entities opposing the trafficway's completion now were the same ones kicking and screaming about building the first "leg" of the bypass that runs now from the Lecompton turnpike exit to S. Iowa Street. By any estimation, that road is heavily used everyday by commuters and local traffic alike. The same is true for the eastern "leg". This community has needed the bypass for decades and yet the naysayers continue to deny the majority what they voted for in the past. As a result we have lost jobs and opportunity..... No wonder Lawrence continues to struggle being taken seriously Really too bad.

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5thgeneration 3 years ago

I hope it never gets built too. Why ruin something so perfect? Should we fill and pave Potter Lake on KU for more football parking? It was man made too. That place is dear to me. It's one of my favorite places to take my kids for a walk. At 55 mph, the offset around it would only amount to seconds of travel time.

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rckchlk2131 3 years ago

Do any of the anti-SLT posters actually have to drive east on 23rd St to K-10 to get to work? Even better do you have you seen the 18 wheelers going down 23rd, 31st, Iowa or County roads to the South of town because the SLT has yet to be finished?

Have any of you ever wondered why these streets always have potholes?

With the delay all that is happening is increasing yearly maintenance to our city streets when finishing the SLT would not only help traffic congestion but create jobs.

So as previous posters have said the Wakarusa Bottoms were originally created 300-600 thousand years ago and in recent times drained, farmed, flooded again by man and now is allowed to become a topic for the last 20 years...why?

If SLT is not to be finished (yet again) then let's make 31st a four way with turning lanes and the same with all the feeder roads from N 1100 Road coming North.

PEOPLE live in the NOW!!! Get the SLT built!

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kulinebacker 3 years ago

i hope it never gets built

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scott3460 3 years ago

Save our Wetlands (even for the ignorant fools who worship at the feet of those who are intent in destroying our beautiful country.)

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years ago

Just noticed sez "Lawrence's general ignorance and hatred continues to dismay. You people are just hideous"

And what is the nature of the minisucle groups that Bob Eye has drummed up to oppose, delay, and generally make unholy asses of trhemselves in trying to prevent a long planned and approved road for the benefit of the greater community. Every sort of fantasy, notion, falsehood, and just plain stupid reason has been fabricated to preserve this damned mosquito ridden swamp that is in violation of city ordnances. And to what purpose?. Who will benefit if this road is not built? Anyone???? I thought so.

Build the damned road and get it over with.

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

K-10 and I -70 are connected as we speak why spend more tax dollars? The K10 western leg meets I-70 at Le Competon. What the heck,

Not only that it appears local government duped local taxpayers:

"Judge Vratil also said the federal agency incorrectly estimated that the 32nd Street alignment would cost less than a route farther south."

Why so many don't give a damn how much taxpayers pay? No wonder local elected officials get away with murder.

This design is obsolete,not necessary and too damn expensive.

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Liberty275 3 years ago

How about we build the road and put a casino on the exit ramp. There, it's a win -win for everyone.

Also, can we have a nudie bar?

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JustNoticed 3 years ago

Lawrence's general ignorance and hatred continues to dismay. You people are just hideous.

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independent_rebel 3 years ago

My father-in-law helped farm that land as a young man in the 1950s. As a child in the early 1970s I played with my friends in the field south of 31st, between Louisana Street and Haskell. Not a wetland at that time, as well as the field north of 31st Street that is now under water. The wetland as it is today is man-made, despite what is was in the past. Funny, not a single person I've talked to can ever remember anyone, native or non-native, hanging out in that area other than people who jogged on what we called the cross-country course, located at the south end of the Haskell campus.

Build the road already!

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jonas_opines 3 years ago

hahahahahahahahaha

The SLT story is just one of delicious impotency and futility.

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allamerican4ever 3 years ago

omg scherman look at photos of the land in the 20's and 30;s it was a farm its not natural comeon wake up

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allamerican4ever 3 years ago

those arent natural wetlands. look at history theyre man made. so go hug a dead tree

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scherman 3 years ago

Incorrect, nothing begins as a farm. That would be called man made. Not man made. Get the facts straight:

"The Wakarusa (a.k.a. Haskell-Baker) Wetland is a remnant of the Wakarusa Bottoms, an area of approximately 18,000 acres of prairie wetland formed by the retreat of the first glacial epoch to reach into Kansas, between 300,000 and 600,000 years ago. For at least 10,000 years, this wetland was a special gathering place for the human inhabitants of this region. A substantial part of the wetland was briefly transformed into very marginal farmland, which flooded regularly. An ineffective dike and tile drainage system was finally completed by 1920. Haskell officials gave up on this expensive futile effort to tame the swamp about a decade later, during the dust bowl and depression era. Some land continued to be leased for stock grazing and haying. Some crops were again planted after Clinton Dam was constructed in the 1970s and before Baker's restoration of the wetland got fully under way. For an excellent account of wetland drainage efforts in this region, and the importance of wetlands in Native American cultures, see Wetlands of the American Midwest: A Historical Geography of Changing Attitudes, by Hugh Prince, University of Chicago, 1997. The primary "Haskell farm" was not in the wetland, but located much nearer the dorms and classrooms. The farm is important for its part in the child labor exploitation aspects of Haskell's early history. This wetland, on the other hand, is crucial to the larger story of how Indian students at the boarding schools resisted authorities determined to eradicate their cultures and languages." (savethewetlands.org, accessed April 22nd, 2011)

I suggest if anyone wants to speak on the subject they should probably quote the professionals before coming to personal conclusions based on little to no evidence.

By the way, paper comment above? You really think that is a good point? Laugh out loud. Wetlands are carbon storage sinks that are important to our ecosystem (Euliss Jr. et al, 2006). As we continue to see how our actions affect the environment, it is apparent that we must reduce our CO2 emissions while not reducing the environment's ability to natural recycle carbons.

I have lived here for 22 years, my entire life. The wetlands are an important environmental tool for our ecosystem here in Lawrence. They are priceless because they cannot be "re-built" the way that they are now. Our children should be able to see the wetlands as they are now, and not any less.

So, who benefits from the trafficway? Is it really Lawrence?

Works cited: Euliss Jr., N. H., R.A. Gleason, A. Olness, R.L. McDougal, H.R. Murkin, R.D. Robarts, R.A. Bourbonniere, B.G. Warner. "North American prairie wetlands are important nonforested land-based carbon storage sites." Science of the Total Environment, 2006: 179-188.

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seeker_of_truth 3 years ago

When are these idiots going to give up? It will be built, all they are doing is driving up cost.

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brutus 3 years ago

Build The Road. All the arguments against the road are BS. The wetlands are all MAN MADE and people remember when that was farm ground just like the new mitigated wetlands under construction were before they became wetlands

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Beelzebub 3 years ago

Isn't there already a road there? Finish the damn thing...or put it south of the Wakarusa.

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Mike Ford 3 years ago

fifty year resident shows their ignorance by not realizing that many Haskell alumni live in Lawrence. I know a Haskell alumni who is Choctaw like me who's lived here since 1949. You can't afford the road now and you won't be able to afford the cost of the road a couple of years from now when you lose. If you're going to make stupid comments you going to be educated. This project violates the Clean Water Act and the National Environmental Policy Act for startes and the only reason a permit was issued was because the Bush Administration and EPA Bush lackies along with the Corps of Engineers rolled over to business interests and GOP pressure to attack environmental concerns which is what they do. You can't afford this road now and you definitely won't be able to afford it in the future. Not when you're laying off teachers and having the tealicans and the dumblicans doing away with infrastructure projects. Now go call 980 AM and sound like the dummies I hear on talk radio all day.

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akt2 3 years ago

I just wish you people who protest would get a life and stop impeding progess that would actually benefit Lawrence and the surrounding communities.

You waste more environmental effort filing court papers after court papers, and no one protests your ignorance at killing all the trees, you've killed during this process. A process that has been going on since 1989. If you calculate the volume of paper that has been filed in that time frame, you have killed the entire natural forest that existed even before we settled this land.

So, cry to your mother, because she is the ONLY one remotely interested in hearing your, Wah, Wah, Wah.

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lynchburgsbest 3 years ago

Build the stupid thing already.

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David Albertson 3 years ago

Enough is enough. Build the damn thing!

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50YearResident 3 years ago

How many of these "Opponents" live in Douglas County? Out of state students living here for 2 years or less should not be eligible to sign a no build petition. Bob, get over it, you are keeping us in the 1800's. The buffalo are no longer free ranging in Kansas. We now have roads instead of horse trails.

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skinny 3 years ago

You guys are way too late. They are going to build it and there is nothing you can do about it!!

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