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Kansas Highway Patrol investigates whether drugs contributed to double-fatality Saturday afternoon on K-10

A fatality accident left two dead and three seriously injured Saturday afternoon. The accident on K-10 near Eudora caused traffic to be rerouted through the town.

April 18, 2011, 11:39 a.m. Updated April 18, 2011, 6:18 p.m.

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Cainan Shutt

Cainan Shutt

A two-vehicle accident on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora about 3:30 p.m. Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

A two-vehicle accident on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora about 3:30 p.m. Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

A two-vehicle accident about 3:30 p.m. on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

A two-vehicle accident about 3:30 p.m. on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

The Kansas Highway Patrol is investigating whether marijuana and other drug use contributed to Saturday’s double-fatality accident near Eudora on Kansas Highway 10, a trooper said Monday.

Preliminary autopsy results show Ryan M. Pittman, 24, whose Toyota Camry crossed from the eastbound to the westbound lanes and struck a minivan head-on “tested presumptively positive for marijuana,” Trooper Casey Simoneau said.

A Douglas County coroner’s spokeswoman said later Monday the preliminary autopsy also showed Pittman had benzodiazepine, which is a depressant used in drugs to treat insomnia and anxiety, and methadone in his system. But the full autopsy with a detailed toxicology report could take several weeks, she said.

Pittman and Cainan Shutt, a 5-year-old Eudora boy who was traveling in the van with his paternal grandparents, died in the crash at 3:30 p.m. Saturday near the Church Street interchange in Eudora, according to the highway patrol.

“He was a great kid,” said Cainan’s maternal grandfather Chuck Lawrence of Overland Park. “We’re emotionally distraught, everybody, friends and family.”

Cainan’s sister, 23-month old Courtlyn Shutt, was recovering from a broken neck at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Mo. Lawrence said the last few days had been grim for family members, except when they learned Courtlyn could possibly leave the hospital soon.

“They expect a full recovery and for her to be a normal child growing up,” he said.

The children were riding in a westbound Dodge Caravan minivan with their grandparents, Danny and Deborah Basel, who also were taken to area hospitals from the scene. A spokesman at Kansas University Hospital in Kansas City, Kan., Monday said an update wasn't unavailable on the condition of Deborah Basel, 51. However, Lawrence said she was in critical condition but expected to recover after suffering several broken bones and a head injury.

The family also said Danny Basel was released from Overland Park Regional Medical Center a few hours after the crash, in which he suffered a broken wrist and ribs.

Accident investigation

Troopers said after the accident that Pittman was the only person involved who was not wearing a seat belt.

Simoneau said Monday the van was traveling in the outside westbound lane before it was struck. He said investigators were still compiling witness statements and information about the accident, and a final report could take weeks to complete.

The trooper did say he expected marijuana use will be listed as a contributing factor on the report, based on the preliminary results from Pittman’s autopsy. Simoneau also said troopers checked records after the accident and believed Pittman’s license was not valid. The records showed a suspension and expiration, he said.

According to Pittman’s obituary, he graduated from Eudora High School in 2006 and had been attending Johnson County Community College trying to earn a degree in electrical technology. In this obituary his family said he also loved fishing and hunting. His funeral is 8 p.m. Wednesday at De Soto Baptist Church.

Attempts to reach family members Monday were unsuccessful.

Gonzalo Carrasco, a Kansas University assistant professor of pharmacology, said of the presence of marijuana, benzodiazepine and methadone in his system could have produced a major impairment because of their effects.

“That’s a very bad combination,” Carrasco said.

Benzodiazepines are used in prescriptions to treat insomnia and to produce calm for people who suffer from anxiety. He said methadone is used as a painkiller or to treat someone for addiction.

Cainan

Lawrence said his family would not comment on the circumstances of the accident until the highway patrol had a final report in the case. But he said the family wanted to honor Cainan after his death.

The 5-year-old boy, who is the son of Tommy and Ali Shutt of Eudora, was scheduled to attend kindergarten roundup Monday. He was a preschool student at the Inchworm Clubhouse in Eudora.

Funeral services are planned for 11 a.m. Wednesday at Warren-McElwain Mortuary in Lawrence. Friends have set up a memorial fund at Kaw Valley State Bank in Eudora.

His grandfather described Cainan as a fun child who loved the outdoors whether it was simply playing outside with friends, in his T-ball league or fishing with his dad.

“His funeral will be representative of the way he was,” Lawrence said, “and his energy and his love for life.”

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DouglasAbel 2 years, 12 months ago

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Kris_H 2 years, 12 months ago

I too am very sorry for all the families and all the grief and pain caused by this terrible tragedy.

However, it's still instructive to try to examine the reasons it happened, just because maybe by reading this discussion, someone will stop and think, "Wow, that might have been me, maybe I'd better not toke up (pop pills, drink, whatever) before I drive." If a few people do that and as a consequence a few lives might be saved, the discussion is valuable.

And if the state can be inspired to come up with the funds to put some barriers at least at the most dangerous spots on K-10, that will be even more valuable. I'd increase my taxes a few dollars next year to pay for that.

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Dixie Jones 2 years, 12 months ago

I dont know either family involved here, but both of these familes have lost something VERY precious to them.Our prayers and thoughts are with thoes who called these young men son,brother,grandson,nephew, cousin,friend.

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cj123 2 years, 12 months ago

He was a beautiful little boy! R.I.P to Cainan AND Ryan! My thoughts and prayers to all family and friends involved.

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mawils 3 years ago

LJW- after reading most of the comments on hear I believe you should remove ALL the comments and not allow anymore. These families are all going through to much to have all this bs being postedd. Do the right thing and Remove the comment section.

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EudoraGrad07 3 years ago

I went to school with Ryan and he was a very caring young man. If he was behind the wheel while on those type of prescriptions then he should of known better. We all need to remember there are 2 lives that have been taken waay to early. Its not fair to any of the family members to have to get on here and see everyone talking smack! It amazes me how everyone can be so heartless!

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princess81 3 years ago

Please remember 2 people died and others have injuries. Regardless as to what the cirumstances are, 2 lives were lost in this horrible situation.

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Kelly Johnson 3 years ago

Since there seems to be quite a few people posting here who knew Ryan, why was he taking benzos and methadone and smoking pot? ALL of those are central nervous system depressants. Methadone and benzos are commonly drugs of abuse. Methadone is often injected to make the high more immediate and the effects stronger.

I do have sympathy for Ryan's grieving family, but it IS relevant that he was driving under the influence of these substances and cause the death of another and severe injuries of even more. This information should be public knowledge because people need to know why they should exercise extreme caution when driving under the influence even if the substances in question are legally prescribed drugs that are not being abused. Just because someone died doesn't mean they shouldn't bear responsibility for their actions. It's like saying the hijackers of the planes on 9-11 can't be blamed because they're dead now.

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ratfamily 3 years ago

Thanks again for all of the qualified legal specialists for their countless hours of researching and analyzing the law as it applies to this particular situation. Bravo! I applaud all of you who have aspired to use your law degrees to the fullest potential by posting on ljworld. Please, all of you with licenses, bill me for your hours! Bravo, Bravo!

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Amberella83 3 years ago

As adults we all know that if we drive while under the infuence of any substance, our credibility will be lost if an accident occurs. It's just something you have to take responsibility for. Many of us have driven under the influence. Some people never do. Regardless of what the cause, drugs, sleep, cell phone, none of it takes away the pain or brings back the lives that were lost. Nothing we can debate makes this any less tragic. My heart goes out to both families. I have been hugging and squeezing my children tighter every day. It could have happened to any of us. I hope they can all find peace some day.

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Paula Kissinger 3 years ago

So today there is new evidence for everyone to get their 2 cents worth in on. Pittman's body contained THC, benzodiazepenes and methadone. The THC is illegal...a no brainer...and a choice by Pittman to consume. The other substances were either obtained illegally, like the pot, hash or whatever or through prescriptions. Illegal consumption = self-medicating and the last bad decision made by Pittman. Legal consumption of the possibly prescribed medications = some doctor has a lot of explaining to do. Still the THC on top of it all was Pittman's own doing knowing full well that he was taking the other drugs.

My condolences to the Basel (et al) family on the loss of their son, their suffering and that of their baby. May God touch your lives now with guidance, comfort and healing. So sad too that a dog lost it's life due to what appears to be a negligent act as well.

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Paul R Getto 3 years ago

rock_chalk_ku (anonymous) says… Journal World - Horrible decision to allow comments to be posted without being censored first..... I highly suggest you only allow pre-approved comments to be posted. " === RCKU: Good points, but I'd suggest two impediments: Money and money. Click count is how modern newspapers will survive as the print edition of the LJW and others slowly fade into the digital sunset. The LJW won't do investigative reporting (see money above...might hack off advertisers or the big boys who actually own the town) let alone pay someone to monitor the message boards. They should just lock down any story that involves a tragic death. People have no right to comment on anything, and I do agree the vultures usually come out to pick the flesh from the victim's bones. Again, not a bad idea, but don't hold your breath.

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distant_voice 3 years ago

I love how all the potheads are coming out to defend drivng while high, just like drunks defend drinking and driving.

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Jeanne Cunningham 3 years ago

Take Old K-10 (aka Co Rd 442 or N1400 Rd) , from Lawrence starting out on 15th Street (which becomes N1500 Rd out in the county), which goes past the Industrial Park (Amarr, etc.) or from Eudora starting out on 10th Street. It may even be a shorter distance (depending of course on exactly where you are going to/from). I much prefer it - much more scenic. And, even though it's two-way roads all the way, and the speed limit is lower, I feel it's much safer. It probably IS safer because of the lower speeds. So, I think the couple of minutes or so that might be saved by taking the highway, can not possibly be worth a life (or two or more, as has been the case).

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Mr_Missive 3 years ago

Everyone knows smoking dope is a victimless crime.

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Machala04 3 years ago

This is so sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of those involved.

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jessanddaron 3 years ago

Methadone is not normally a "painkiller" it is used to treat opiate addicts. This is USUALLY the case so I can not say if that was the case in this situation. Benzodiazepines are used to treat involuntary body movement, severe anxiety, etc. And would easily be the most impairing of the substances listed unless it was just in his system from sometime within 24-48 hours before the accident which would give him enough time to not be feeling the effects of the drugs. I drive daily on benzodiazepines (per subscription) and am fully aware that if I over medicate it does impair my ability to drive. I hope this was not the issue here but I will break it down easily for everyone who seems to be easily throwing blame. Methadone can not even impair a person if they are used to high levels of opiates so that is probably not a factor. Marijuana would have to be an unusual occurrence or first time thing for his driving abilities to be altered. Benzodiazepines (Xanax, Ativan, etc.) will make you feel different and can seriously cause your driving to be poor under many circumstances.

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Amy Heeter 3 years ago

Yeah well if you want to argue the pod and cons of pot go to a hemp rally. Family and friends don't need to come on here and see your propaganda. A five year old was killed and a 23 moth old may be presently change by a spinal cord injury. Save the soapbox for a later date.

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ARA 3 years ago

How many "cross over" accidents is it going to take for the city to build a wall or railing (similiar to I-70) down K10. I know it's expensive, but it's much needed. Stop building round-a-bouts and put the money where it's needed!!! K10 is becoming the scariest highway to drive!

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TopJayhawk 3 years ago

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Ken Schmidt 3 years ago

Assuming Mr. Pittman obtained benzodiazepine (in whichever prescription formulation) and methadone legally, these medications would have both had a warning on the label to avoid operating heavy equipment and/or driving while under their influences. I will choose not to address the matter of the presence of an additional illegal substance, no matter when it may or may not have been taken, and the possible ramifications therein. This is a potentially lethal combination for any person, irregardless of their tolerance. If Mr. Pittman was under a physcian's care, the physician would have been required to explain the effects of a schedule II opioid (methadone) and its synergistic effects with a benzodiazepine.

In the end, two sons are no longer able to enjoy life and two families are tragically hurting. Their smiles are reduced to memories and photographs. For the love of my own family, if you take these medications legally, PLEASE follow the instructions no matter how well you feel on them. If you choose to partake recreationally, have the courtesy to stay at home and DON'T get behind the wheel. I won't judge what you do in your own home, but I will judge you if you recklessly endager the lives of others needlessly.

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baby_girl31 3 years ago

ahhhh....answers my questions on what may have contributed to the accident. How terrible...

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tay2013 3 years ago

This is a horrible tragedy for both families involved. Instead of everyone getting on here to place judgements about Ryan or what could have changed the outcome, we should be giving our hearts to both of the families that have lost their loved ones. This situation is a very sad one, but both families are going through a lot of hurt right now. The last thing either family needs is a reminder of everything that happened. Nothing we post on here is going to change the fact that both families lost a son and a brother, both families are hurting and need all the support they can get. Instead of placing the blame, wouldn't it make more since to come together as a community and support both families in their time of hurt and grieving. Both families have gone through a great deal of loss and heartbreak. My heart goes out to both the Pittman and Shutt families. God Bless both families and remember that Ryan and Cainan are in a much better place now. They will both be greatly missed, but will never be forgotten.

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rock_chalk_ku 3 years ago

Journal World - Horrible decision to allow comments to be posted without being censored first. There are several comments on here that have crossed the line and are insensitive. This is a horrible tragedy for both families and the community of Eudora. Thoughts and prayers to all those involved and hurt by this situation. I highly suggest you only allow pre-approved comments to be posted.

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lawrenceguy40 3 years ago

A tragic situation.

But let us remember that the law enforcement agencies claiming they know what caused the accident are the very same group that blamed one innocent victim for driving the wrong way down K-10, causing a double fatality. After publicly blaming the deceased victim for a month, they quietly changed their story and blamed the other driver.

I do not know what caused this tragedy. It is not my job to determine that. It is not the job of law enforcement. They should present their evidence to the medical examiner and let legal authority determine cause. Leaking pieces of information like this is unprofessional in the extreme.

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birdiegirl 3 years ago

All the details will be sorted out in time. Please remember the family who has lost a precious little child and the injured that need to recover. Also remember the Pittman family. They have lost a son and must live with this now. Tragic for everyone involved.

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TomJoad23 3 years ago

It was probably those benzo's he took, those things get you super wasted

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Beth Ennis 3 years ago

My prayers go out to both families in this senseless tragedy. I have a 5 year old grandson myself and could not imagine something like this happening to him. The minivan doesn't look nearly as bad as other car. I wonder if the 5 year old was still in a car seat or not. Not trying to place blame, just curious. Again, I have my own grandson and would like to know if a car seat failed or if he was strapped in wrong or something else. So very sad. God be with all of you.

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Richard Heckler 3 years ago

Considering the two pharmaceuticals in his system it could be Pittman fell asleep.

We'll never know.

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felixiscariot 3 years ago

It is stories like this that prove what a DISGUSTING people we can be. We show absolutely no concern for the dead. Mr. Pittman was 24 years old. I would say in a place like Douglas County there are HUNDREDS of 20-somethings smoking pot, either behind the wheel or at home or who knows where.... He had a family that (I'm assuming) deeply cared about him, and yes he may have made some poor decisions that ruined his life, his families lives, and the lives of several people.... but I'd like to meet a 24 year old that has never made a bad decision... we all make bad decision and sometimes it nips us right in the butt.... However, I think it should be a crime for this kind of information to make it in the press. Law enforcement agents should NEVER release any information about the substances found in a person body. Investigations of this sort should be 100% private only to be disclosed to family members and other police officers. Why should the public be notified that marijuana was possibly the cause of the accident? Is it to scare us into believing that we could, at any moment, be struck by an intoxicated driver? Of course that can happen at any time but we don't need to spend our days worried about it, but that's exactly what this story makes us do. We don't need to talk about what this kid was doing or how he shouldn't have been on the road. We need to be talking about what we can do as a people to help the families involved. Eudora is a very small town and with an accident involving so many residents we need to focus on how to make things better for those affected by this tragedy.... Please don't turn this accident into a debate about the dangers of drugs, and the dangers of driving. Some of you people posting are ignorant to kindness. The law enforcement agents in this county (although I respect their service) need to focus on making the highways safer and NOT on pointing the blame, I understand finding the cause of the accident is important but it should be a completely private investigation. And the lawrence journal world is just one giant attention grabber with only one concern.....MORE READERS. So, I'm done with your crappy paper. I will never read another story in your paper. You've lost one reader. I don't know any of the people involved so I have no real place to speak, but I do know what it means to be a human being. I also know that everyone has made atleast one mistake that may or may not have changed their lives forever, myself included... so tonight sit back and try to recall some of the mistakes you've made that could have turned out worse.... and think VERY hard about how different your life could be.... would you want people spitting on your grave?

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Timothy Eugene 3 years ago

Good grief. An innocent 5 year old is dead, and a 2 year old has a broken neck, and all the local dopeheads are concerned about the marijuana test.

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formerfarmer 3 years ago

Journal World. You would not print most of the remarks after the pedestrian train accident in Wellsville. How do you think both families feel after reading most of the comments in this column regarding drug effects.

It is a shame you can't be consistent.

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woodscolt 3 years ago

This is completely irresponsible on the part of the HP to release this speculative information. Why not wait till the investigation has had time to produce some real information? Very unprofessional.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years ago

Let me point out that he was also positive for benzodiazepine (which is actually a class of drugs that includes, Valium, Xanax and Klonopin) and methadone. These are CNS depressants that slow reaction time and make one "drugged" and sleepy. They also potentiate each other and make the effects of each drug worse. He may have actually fallen asleep at the wheel from those drugs. I really highly doubt that the presence of THC was the lone cause for this and contributed no more to it than alcohol would have (and actually would have contributed far less, as alcohol is also a CNS depressant and would have potentiated the other drugs as well). I have no doubt that the drugs contributed to and most likely caused this horrible thing to happen but this was someone on a suicide mission from the word go. It was just unfortunate he had to take out a five year old with him.

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anggrn1999 3 years ago

Seeker.......I Am Friends With The Families, And On His Sister's Post Today, She Was Asking For Help With Donation's For This Dog. So Think What You Would Like, It's Not A BS Post, It's A Fact. Here Is What The Post Said......Thanks to everyone for your support. My brother's dog Kainen survived the accident and needs surgery. Unfortunately we have been told that it may cost up to $2000. I know my brother loved his dog so much and would want us to do whatever we could to keep him safe. Our family is doing our best to pay for it, however any donations to help with the funeral costs and vet bill would be very much appreciated. I am going to the funeral home today at 1 o'clock to set up a fund in Ryan's name.

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anggrn1999 3 years ago

The Dog Was With Ryan, The Dog Needs Surgery And The Cost Of It Is Going To Be Around $2000. They Would Like To Keep The Dog, However They Do Need Help With The Exspense Of The Surgery This Dog Needs. To BOTH Families That Were Affected By Saturday's Tragedy, My Thought's And Prayer's Are With You. Please Show Respect For Them As They Are Dealing With This. All The THC Comment's And Pot Smoking Is NOT Helping Them During This, Remember Lives Were Lost On That Day.

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Roland Gunslinger 3 years ago

My heart breaks for the parents and grandparents of this darling little boy. What a tragic loss. I can't fathom losing a child. I don't even want to think of the pain and torment this child's family is going through right now.

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Deja Coffin 3 years ago

Sending my thoughts and prayers for all the families, friends, and lives touched by this wreck. If there was something that could have prevented this accident, the knowledge of that may only make things a lot harder for these people. Let's continue to support and lift up these families as they go through this nightmare.

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davo1546 3 years ago

I feel very sorry for all parties invovled but that THC was in his sytem doesn't justify a reason as to why this happened. This is just another chance for Bible -belt kansans to blame the weed

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stevemarkcraig 3 years ago

any updated info on Danny and Ann I pray that they will be okay

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fissuregirl 3 years ago

Wait, Pittman had a dog with him? Does anyone know how the puppy is doing?

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cheeseburger 3 years ago

Stand by for Whitney to turn on her offensive comments filter in 3 . . .2 . . . 1. . . .

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ku_law_pumo 3 years ago

This debate should begin and end with the state's utter failure to prevent this and similarly horrific accidents. K-10 has long been a dangerous road, and this is just the latest reminder. Shame on the state legislators who can do nothing but pass laws making it more difficult to obtain an abortion when there are truly pressing public safety issues like this to be tackled. We need cables in the median now!

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jafs 3 years ago

Anybody who really believes that smoking pot won't impair their driving skills is kidding themselves.

As are those who claim that drinking won't affect them. Or a variety of legal prescription meds. Etc.

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feetup 3 years ago

I agree with lawdog, can we please just focus on the grieving families right now and not try to sensationalize the tragedy with OMG he could have been high on pot? If Ryan was impaired, illegally driving, texting, sleeping or whatever, will it bring him or Cainon back or set either family right again? No. My heart goes out to both families, I cannot imagine what pain they are bearing right now. I see the young people who are friends of both families and they are devastated. I don't even think "devastated" is a big enough word. The surviving families have too much to bear now and for the rest of their lives without our ranting and raving about legalese right now. Does anyone know what happened to his dog that was riding with him? He's undergone surgery and will survive. A beautiful dog that now needs a home.

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mrbig 3 years ago

"Unlike urine tests, blood tests detect the active presence of THC in the bloodstream. In the case of smoked marijuana, THC peaks rapidly in the first few minutes after inhaling, often to levels above 100 ng/ml in blood plasma. It then declines quickly to single-digit levels within an hour. High THC levels are therefore a good indication that the subject has smoked marijuana recently. THC can remain at low but detectable levels of 1- 2 ng/ml for 8 hours or more without any measurable signs of impairment. Chronic users have been found to show residual blood THC levels of 1.5 (+/- 0.5) ng/ml for a full week after ceasing use [Karschner].

Note: THC blood levels above are recorded in terms of concentration in serum or plasma. Most U.S. labs report levels based on whole blood instead. Concentrations in whole blood are about half as high. Therefore 1 - 2 ng/ml in plasma is equal to 0.5 - 1.0 ng/ml in whole blood.

Unlike urine, blood test results can give a useful indicator of whether one is impaired by marijuana. Studies have shown that high THC blood levels are correlated with impaired driving. An expert panel review of scientific studies on driving under the influence of cannabis concluded that THC levels above 7 - 10 ng/ml in plasma or 3.5 - 5 ng/ml in blood indicate likely impairment [Grotenhermen]. The same review found no increased driving hazard at low levels of THC. Despite the fact that accident studies have repeatedly failed to find evidence of increased driving risk at low levels (1 or 2 ng in blood) of THC, numerous states and foreign countries have enacted "zero-tolerance" laws, treating any non-zero trace of THC as legal evidence for driving under the influence. "

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lawdog 3 years ago

Set aside who's to blame for now.

Let's not forget the grief of that child's mother as well as the family of Mr. Pittman.

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Kyle Chandler 3 years ago

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princess81 3 years ago

Regardless of the results, very sad situation for both families. My thoughts and prayers to each one!

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somedude20 3 years ago

Pot bad! Prescription narcotics gooooooooood! People who vilify pot most often overlook prescription narcs. You think just because a Dr. writes an Rx that all is well and good. I have news for ya buster, they abuse that stuff way more than you would believe. I have been in the medical field now for almost seven years and I see it day in and day out. People going through a 30 day supply of narcs in two weeks or less. We had one person who went through a month's supply (of two different narcs) in 48 hours. Fentanyl patches (24hr time release pain med)are great because they will take a syringe and such all the juice out and inject the venom in one dose. I have seen the effects of people on the pot as I have seen the effects of people who take narcs and there is no comparison, some Rx narcs are almost as bad as drinking and driving, but hey, the doc gave it to me, right?

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Kontum1972 3 years ago

so if this guy had issues with alcohol and other.... where was the ignition lock on his vehicle?

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StirrrThePot 3 years ago

No comments about the suspended/invalid driver's license?? Pot or not pot, it sounds like the driver of the Camry had no business being behind the wheel at all, period.

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jsknow 3 years ago

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Flap Doodle 3 years ago

People still use angelfire?

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jsknow 3 years ago

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DRsmith 3 years ago

Hold the phone...everyone knows pot is safe.

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Darrell Lea 3 years ago

I believe the crucial phrases in the piece are (1) "whether marijuana use was a contributing factor" and (2) “tested presumptively positive for marijuana.” I didn't read anywhere where anyone is asserting that marijuana was The Reason for the accident.

As a former pot smoker who has driven hundreds of thousands of miles while smoking, I can name several likely scenarios where pot smoking could directly cause an accident. Use your imagination. Ever drop a burning object in your lap while behind the wheel? How about taking so big a hit off a joint that you almost pass out?

My quality of life has improved significantly in the years since I stopped using drugs. I'm very fortunate to have not injured myself or someone else during those years. I'm no longer a legally vulnerable liability when I travel. It's a good thing.

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Bob Forer 3 years ago

The issue will have little relevance on any legal proceedings. He died, and cannot be prosecuted. There is also ample evidence without the alleged marijuana use to prove Mr. Pittman's negligence, i.e., he is the one that caused the accident by crossing the median.

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BBBENNETT 3 years ago

He was driving a Toyota... could it have been a recall problem?

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eotw33 3 years ago

Yes they can do a mouth swab which detects if its been uses in the last 24 hours. Which still doesnt mean he was "intoxicated" at the time of the accident. Sounds like the real issue is that he shouldnt have been on the road in the first place.

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Keith Richards 3 years ago

I would be interested to know more about the presumptive test for marijuana. Marijuana stays in ones system for up to 30 days (normally closer to 14-21 days). However the effects only last a couple hours. So how can a positive test indicate that the driver was actually under the influence at the time of the accident.

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