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Kansas Highway Patrol investigates whether drugs contributed to double-fatality Saturday afternoon on K-10

A fatality accident left two dead and three seriously injured Saturday afternoon. The accident on K-10 near Eudora caused traffic to be rerouted through the town.

April 18, 2011, 11:39 a.m. Updated April 18, 2011, 6:18 p.m.

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Cainan Shutt

Cainan Shutt

A two-vehicle accident on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora about 3:30 p.m. Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

A two-vehicle accident on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora about 3:30 p.m. Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

A two-vehicle accident about 3:30 p.m. on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

A two-vehicle accident about 3:30 p.m. on Kansas Highway 10 east of Eudora Saturday, April 16, 2011, claimed the lives of two people. Three others were seriously injured.

The Kansas Highway Patrol is investigating whether marijuana and other drug use contributed to Saturday’s double-fatality accident near Eudora on Kansas Highway 10, a trooper said Monday.

Preliminary autopsy results show Ryan M. Pittman, 24, whose Toyota Camry crossed from the eastbound to the westbound lanes and struck a minivan head-on “tested presumptively positive for marijuana,” Trooper Casey Simoneau said.

A Douglas County coroner’s spokeswoman said later Monday the preliminary autopsy also showed Pittman had benzodiazepine, which is a depressant used in drugs to treat insomnia and anxiety, and methadone in his system. But the full autopsy with a detailed toxicology report could take several weeks, she said.

Pittman and Cainan Shutt, a 5-year-old Eudora boy who was traveling in the van with his paternal grandparents, died in the crash at 3:30 p.m. Saturday near the Church Street interchange in Eudora, according to the highway patrol.

“He was a great kid,” said Cainan’s maternal grandfather Chuck Lawrence of Overland Park. “We’re emotionally distraught, everybody, friends and family.”

Cainan’s sister, 23-month old Courtlyn Shutt, was recovering from a broken neck at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City, Mo. Lawrence said the last few days had been grim for family members, except when they learned Courtlyn could possibly leave the hospital soon.

“They expect a full recovery and for her to be a normal child growing up,” he said.

The children were riding in a westbound Dodge Caravan minivan with their grandparents, Danny and Deborah Basel, who also were taken to area hospitals from the scene. A spokesman at Kansas University Hospital in Kansas City, Kan., Monday said an update wasn't unavailable on the condition of Deborah Basel, 51. However, Lawrence said she was in critical condition but expected to recover after suffering several broken bones and a head injury.

The family also said Danny Basel was released from Overland Park Regional Medical Center a few hours after the crash, in which he suffered a broken wrist and ribs.

Accident investigation

Troopers said after the accident that Pittman was the only person involved who was not wearing a seat belt.

Simoneau said Monday the van was traveling in the outside westbound lane before it was struck. He said investigators were still compiling witness statements and information about the accident, and a final report could take weeks to complete.

The trooper did say he expected marijuana use will be listed as a contributing factor on the report, based on the preliminary results from Pittman’s autopsy. Simoneau also said troopers checked records after the accident and believed Pittman’s license was not valid. The records showed a suspension and expiration, he said.

According to Pittman’s obituary, he graduated from Eudora High School in 2006 and had been attending Johnson County Community College trying to earn a degree in electrical technology. In this obituary his family said he also loved fishing and hunting. His funeral is 8 p.m. Wednesday at De Soto Baptist Church.

Attempts to reach family members Monday were unsuccessful.

Gonzalo Carrasco, a Kansas University assistant professor of pharmacology, said of the presence of marijuana, benzodiazepine and methadone in his system could have produced a major impairment because of their effects.

“That’s a very bad combination,” Carrasco said.

Benzodiazepines are used in prescriptions to treat insomnia and to produce calm for people who suffer from anxiety. He said methadone is used as a painkiller or to treat someone for addiction.

Cainan

Lawrence said his family would not comment on the circumstances of the accident until the highway patrol had a final report in the case. But he said the family wanted to honor Cainan after his death.

The 5-year-old boy, who is the son of Tommy and Ali Shutt of Eudora, was scheduled to attend kindergarten roundup Monday. He was a preschool student at the Inchworm Clubhouse in Eudora.

Funeral services are planned for 11 a.m. Wednesday at Warren-McElwain Mortuary in Lawrence. Friends have set up a memorial fund at Kaw Valley State Bank in Eudora.

His grandfather described Cainan as a fun child who loved the outdoors whether it was simply playing outside with friends, in his T-ball league or fishing with his dad.

“His funeral will be representative of the way he was,” Lawrence said, “and his energy and his love for life.”

Comments

number1jayhawker 4 years, 4 months ago

According to a few websites on the subject, if an auto accident is involved they will test for THC in the blood. If they detected THC in his blood, then he would have had to be injesting the pot at the time of the accident or shortly before since it only stays in the bloodstream for a few hours.

Rich Noever 4 years, 4 months ago

Number 1,that is crazy! It will stay in your system for at least a week.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

Even if he was smoking marijuana at the time, how would the police know that it was the reason for the accident. Accidents happen to people all of the time, even sober people. It may just be a coincidence.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

If a sober person can accidentally run off the road, blow a tire, or avoid an object in the road, then why must every accident where there is drug use automatically mean guilt. Drunks drive home safe every day. In this town thousands of them. Just at random some of those drunks may be involved in an accident.

ebyrdstarr 4 years, 4 months ago

The Kansas Supreme Court has consistently held that for a defendant to be found guilty of DUI manslaughter, the state must not just prove that the defendant was driving under the influence, but also that the defendant's drunkenness was the proximate cause of the death. There have been cases where juries did find that the accident would have happened whether the defendant was drunk or not. The defendant's driving under the influence was not in fact the cause of those accidents. WHY has good reason to state that just because a driver was under the influence, it cannot be assumed that the DUI was the cause of the accident.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

What's the percentage?

In other words, how many accidents where a driver was drunk and had an accident were determined to be not caused by alcohol?

My immediate guess is that the vast majority of them were in fact caused by being drunk, and a small minority were not.

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

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John Hamm 4 years, 4 months ago

Basis of your argument is absurd. A vehicle is not "a home with wheels." It is a motor vehicle licensed to be used in a safe and reasonable manner on public roads and highways.

In other words - TROLL ALERT

GardenMomma 4 years, 4 months ago

I'll concede that some drunks drive home safely every day, but hardly "thousands."

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

GardenMomma, for years I worked at bars and other college areas. Often police would clear out an entire house party of hundreds of people in a night, all of them intoxicated. The officers would just watch as they stumbled to their cars and drove home. Just spend a friday and saturday night near some college housing and you will see that a large percentage of all drivers at 3 in the morning are intoxicated. 99% of them get home just fine. A few hit a tree, and tragically some hit people.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

How do sober people hit things. Sober people cause more accidents than intoxicated people. You think pothead talk, but think about it for a minute and draw a venn diagram and you will see that there is an intersection of innocent causality for accidents with impaired drivers.

Brera002 4 years, 4 months ago

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crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

Im not justifying anything but really??? there are thousands of reasons a sober driver could loose control and cross a median and hit another car. what about kids fighting in the car? husband and wife fighting in the car? dropping a cigarette? dropping a pop? the list goes on and on. And once you hit that median who knows what could happen as far as being able to control your car. you could hit a rock thats in the median or something that someone has discarded along the highway or your tires could be partially worn down and slide on the grass. there could be dew on the grass. there are a number of reasons.

Brera002 4 years, 4 months ago

Due on the grass at 3pm? Kids fighting? He was alone in the car. Hitting a rock? That rock would have to be pretty large. I don't think they are saying he was under the influence of marijuana for the fun of it or to have someone to blame. If he tested positive for THC, chances are he was not sober. I have a friend who smokes marijuana quite regularly and his suspicion is that the kid smoked a little too much and fell asleep while driving. Whether that is true, who knows. However, I'd find it very hard to believe that a sober person would manage to have that kind of an accident on that highway.

applejuice 4 years, 4 months ago

He wasn't alone in the car, he had his dog with him. The dog is still alive but in very bad shape. His mom is wanting to get some donations to help save the dog so she can have a part of her son.

kallipalooza 4 years, 4 months ago

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jarodgrape 4 years, 4 months ago

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John Hamm 4 years, 4 months ago

The article says he tested presumptively for marijuana. note also the other drugs that were present in his system.

presumptive "Providing a reasonable basis for belief or acceptance" so they found something that indicates its use.

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

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eotw33 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes they can do a mouth swab which detects if its been uses in the last 24 hours. Which still doesnt mean he was "intoxicated" at the time of the accident. Sounds like the real issue is that he shouldnt have been on the road in the first place.

BBBENNETT 4 years, 4 months ago

He was driving a Toyota... could it have been a recall problem?

Bob Forer 4 years, 4 months ago

The issue will have little relevance on any legal proceedings. He died, and cannot be prosecuted. There is also ample evidence without the alleged marijuana use to prove Mr. Pittman's negligence, i.e., he is the one that caused the accident by crossing the median.

Darrell Lea 4 years, 4 months ago

I believe the crucial phrases in the piece are (1) "whether marijuana use was a contributing factor" and (2) “tested presumptively positive for marijuana.” I didn't read anywhere where anyone is asserting that marijuana was The Reason for the accident.

As a former pot smoker who has driven hundreds of thousands of miles while smoking, I can name several likely scenarios where pot smoking could directly cause an accident. Use your imagination. Ever drop a burning object in your lap while behind the wheel? How about taking so big a hit off a joint that you almost pass out?

My quality of life has improved significantly in the years since I stopped using drugs. I'm very fortunate to have not injured myself or someone else during those years. I'm no longer a legally vulnerable liability when I travel. It's a good thing.

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

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Bursting 4 years, 4 months ago

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Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

Sounds like he did "get a grip"...he quit using. I think he does deserve a "brownie button or something", and not a condescending remark. Jeez. It is so sad when others put someone down for bettering themselves. Jealousy is so ugly.

laughingatallofu 4 years, 4 months ago

Sounds like crnm4 has "issues". I feel sorry for her, actually, that she is unable to recognize good in other human beings.

Sharon Aikins 4 years, 4 months ago

I feel even sorrier for those kids of hers. Wonder what they have to do to win " brownie buttons" from her?

Beth Ennis 4 years, 4 months ago

momma, why the anger? At least he/she is owning up to what he/she says was reckless behavoir. I know a lot of folks that know they were very lucky because they did something very stupid when young. This is just so sad, and I pray for the family of this young man. they loved him and now they have to live with what their loved one did. Whatever the reason for the accident, it won't bring this little boy or the young man back. I hope everyone reading this who sees a little of themselves in the driver takes heed and cleans up their act.

Phog67 4 years, 4 months ago

Yikes crnm4!!! How rude are you?

Great job Guit.. You should feel proud of quitting.

I just had a conversation with my older brother that feels pot ruined his life and he's so glad to be away from it.

With regard to this accident. Reading about it brought tears to my eyes and I'm so sorry for the families involved on both sides. How sad and it's simply just awful.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

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GmaD321 4 years, 4 months ago

so glad you are still enjoying your sobriety. its empowering in many ways, huh? take care.

DRsmith 4 years, 4 months ago

Hold the phone...everyone knows pot is safe.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

You can put the phone down. Pot is safe.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

Well buck, study after study has show it is so. As Levar Burton on Reading Rainbow used to say "You don't have to take my word for it."

sendyrmind 4 years, 4 months ago

I agree with you. I think if he tested positive for methadone that would be a much more contributing factor than smoking weed. Just my opinion, either way it's a very tragic accident

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

Agreed! I'd be more worried about the methadone and benzo than a little pot.

Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

what if it was your kid? You really want a stoned person driving on the same streets with YOUR kid? And please don't say "it's better than being drunk", because that is illegal also.

WHY 4 years, 4 months ago

My kid does ride on the road passed stoned and drunk drivers every day. A much larger percentage of drivers than you may assume. I also drive next to old people, young people, dumb people, busy people, careless people. Pot or alcohol on its own is just one small risk factor.

Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

doesn't lessen the severity of the offense, by comparing it to other offenses.

DRsmith 4 years, 4 months ago

Huh, wonder why they have laws against smoking weed and driving. They must be out to get all of you stoners.

Darrell Lea 4 years, 4 months ago

jsknow - Your stated stance on the topic of marijuana has been part of the public discussion since at least the 1960's, if not earlier.

I was a habitual smoker from 1971 to 2008. During the vast majority of those years I was high every day. I also played hundreds of shows and logged thousands of miles traveling with rock and roll bands. My personal life experience bears witness to some of the distortions you have espoused in your post.

Sorry to be such a buzzkill. If marijuana was truly as harmless and as beneficial as its proponents make it out to be, it wouldn't be so popular, because it wouldn't get you high.

StirrrThePot 4 years, 4 months ago

No comments about the suspended/invalid driver's license?? Pot or not pot, it sounds like the driver of the Camry had no business being behind the wheel at all, period.

Terry Jacobsen 4 years, 4 months ago

So they suspended your license because you were a fine upstanding citizen. Not because you had done anything wrong? Hmmmmm.. sounds like there should be more to the story.

Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

There does sound like there may be more to the story...who has a lawyer "take care" of a speeding ticket? you just pay it, you don't even have to show up to court. I'm calling shenanigans.

Kontum1972 4 years, 4 months ago

so if this guy had issues with alcohol and other.... where was the ignition lock on his vehicle?

TopJayhawk 4 years, 4 months ago

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somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

Pot bad! Prescription narcotics gooooooooood! People who vilify pot most often overlook prescription narcs. You think just because a Dr. writes an Rx that all is well and good. I have news for ya buster, they abuse that stuff way more than you would believe. I have been in the medical field now for almost seven years and I see it day in and day out. People going through a 30 day supply of narcs in two weeks or less. We had one person who went through a month's supply (of two different narcs) in 48 hours. Fentanyl patches (24hr time release pain med)are great because they will take a syringe and such all the juice out and inject the venom in one dose. I have seen the effects of people on the pot as I have seen the effects of people who take narcs and there is no comparison, some Rx narcs are almost as bad as drinking and driving, but hey, the doc gave it to me, right?

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

was not excusing anything just saying that if you think driving while on pot is bad that people drive with stronger drugs in their systen every day and sorry chief but yes, it is illegal to drive under the influence even if your Dr wrote a legal Rx. Happy you are not breaking the law. Your cookie is in the mail!

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

you did not even know the law. You thought you were being all high and mighty and turns out you were just being ignorant so I do not want your cookie. Also, I don't know where it get that I smoke pot as I never said it. In fact, you are the only confirmed DRUG USER!

Susan Mangan 4 years, 4 months ago

Driving with narcotics in your system, regadless of whether you have a valid prescription, or not, is illegal. It is still considered driving under the influence. That's part of the reason for the relatively new state law allowing blood tests for all fatal accidents. If you have a valid prescription, and narcotics in your system, you are driving under the influence (or while intoxicated...I can't remember which one that is). And, good Lord! Does no one learn the adage that "two wrongs don't make a right", anymore??? Some people do bad stuff, so this bad stuff is ok??

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

Don't where you are getting this 2 wrongs bs. I read post after post of people vilifying pot all I was adding is that many many many people ARE (I see it every single day, every day) driving while they are on heavy narcs and that is far worse than driving on pot. Guess you could say that I was bringing this to people's attention, like how Dateline or 20/20 does. Look around they are in the car next to you!

somedude20 4 years, 4 months ago

(Palm to face) this is like talking with 2 year olds. I could say it again but you guys would have to phone a friend to get it. Carry on with your narc pills!

JayCat_67 4 years, 4 months ago

I think some feel that you are trying justify driving under the influence of pot by saying that others are taking prescription narcotics and driving.
However, I think the only point you're making is that we tend to freak out more when the drug of choice is pot, because it is illegal.
If Pittman had tested positive for a prescription drug he had been taking legally and according to instruction (other than that part about not driving or operating heavy machinery), the discussion would be much different.

Am I even close here?

princess81 4 years, 4 months ago

Regardless of the results, very sad situation for both families. My thoughts and prayers to each one!

Kyle Chandler 4 years, 4 months ago

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topflight 4 years, 4 months ago

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lawdog 4 years, 4 months ago

Set aside who's to blame for now.

Let's not forget the grief of that child's mother as well as the family of Mr. Pittman.

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

That's what seems to be going on here!!! The whole town of Eudora is devastated because we lost 2 of our own!! And now this whole thing has turned into some stupid drug debate!! A little boy was ripped from his family, his life taken WAY TOO EARLY!! And a young man, also with family, is gone! these 2 are gone forever. Cant you people realize this? Think about the parents of these two!! the families!!!

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

buck i suggest your next post be when you find a heart and open your mind. so sad!! i pray for you!!

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

ok buckjennings you say that we "offer up silly, meaningless statements about prayers rather than actually address the actual problem"... ok so yes impaired driving is a problem and according to KHP the driver that crossed the median was impaired. Ok so how do you suggest that we prosecute a dead man????? All we are saying about the barriers is that installing barriers is a possible method of prevention. These barriers would protect the rest of us that are not impaired and that are out for a Sunday drive from those who are impaired. Our point is prevention rather than placing blame and consequences on a person that can no longer be held accountable. and its like the old saying goes " you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink" you can provide alternative transit but how are you going to insure that everyone uses it?? again the barriers provide some prevention and protection for the innocent!!!

I also know that no matter how much we argue with you, I can tell your the type of person that can not see another's point of view. your the type that if you believe the sky is purple, and clearly its blue, then you will argue your belief til you and everyone else are blue in the face. buckjennings i see your point clearly. but we dont live in a perfect world. not everyone will take defensive driving lessons, not everyone will use alternative means of transportation and there's always going to be that someone that decides to "hit the blunt" or finish off the bottle before they leave the party and drive. Theres nothing you or even God can do about that. Im just trying to prevent another tragedy. Notice i said trying.

I hope that someone with the power to do something to help save lives on this or any other unsafe highway sees these comments and suggestions and that they consider human life priceless and at least make an attempt to make the highways safer!!!

laughingatallofu 4 years, 4 months ago

I also know that no matter how much we argue with you, I can tell your the type of person that can not see another's point of view. <<<

What's good for the goose is good for the gander as well.

tay2013 4 years, 4 months ago

Buck really? What more do you want? Ryan is dead he has already paid for what happened. I agree that what happened to the 5 year old boy is a tragedy but there is no way to bring either of them back. Maybe you should take some time and think about the comments you post because regardless of your opinion there is still a family out there grieving over the loss of Ryan and all your doing is making it harder for them. Stop and take a minute to think, what if it was your brother or son that was killed in an accident. Would it really make a difference to you weather he was driving on a suspended license? They still do not know how long ago it was that he smoked the pot it could have been 30 days before the accident. Think about both families because your only making it harder on them.

evilpenguin 4 years, 4 months ago

Actually I agree with Buck on this one. People do try to gloss over the facts and try to divert the attention from what actually happened. A young man who should not have been driving killed a child, and broke another childs neck! While I don't doubt that his family are grieving, he is 100% responsible for killing another person.

I'm sure when the Columbine massacre happened, people didn't take this stand point against Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. "Oh well, they murdered a bunch of people, but their family are grieving so that makes what they've done ok". People need to accept that bad things do happen, and a lot of the time people and their actions AND choices cause them to happen.

This guy CHOSE to drive on a suspended license and he CHOSE to drive with numerous drugs in his system (whether pot smoking was a factor or not might not be relevant) and he is responsible for what has happened. End of story.

John Hamm 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes, some of us do and that makes this type of blog inappropriate for situations such as this.

seekthetruth 4 years, 4 months ago

Amen! His mother, his father, mutliple set of grandparents and greats etc, aunts and uncles and greats etc, multiple cousins and lots of friends ranging from tiny children to seniors are involved in this grief process!! So glad someone finally added Cainan's KU football pic. That's one of the many beautiful thoughts of Cainan that all of use mentioned above will have "framed" in our minds!! Luv you Tom and Ali - A.C.

mrbig 4 years, 4 months ago

"Unlike urine tests, blood tests detect the active presence of THC in the bloodstream. In the case of smoked marijuana, THC peaks rapidly in the first few minutes after inhaling, often to levels above 100 ng/ml in blood plasma. It then declines quickly to single-digit levels within an hour. High THC levels are therefore a good indication that the subject has smoked marijuana recently. THC can remain at low but detectable levels of 1- 2 ng/ml for 8 hours or more without any measurable signs of impairment. Chronic users have been found to show residual blood THC levels of 1.5 (+/- 0.5) ng/ml for a full week after ceasing use [Karschner].

Note: THC blood levels above are recorded in terms of concentration in serum or plasma. Most U.S. labs report levels based on whole blood instead. Concentrations in whole blood are about half as high. Therefore 1 - 2 ng/ml in plasma is equal to 0.5 - 1.0 ng/ml in whole blood.

Unlike urine, blood test results can give a useful indicator of whether one is impaired by marijuana. Studies have shown that high THC blood levels are correlated with impaired driving. An expert panel review of scientific studies on driving under the influence of cannabis concluded that THC levels above 7 - 10 ng/ml in plasma or 3.5 - 5 ng/ml in blood indicate likely impairment [Grotenhermen]. The same review found no increased driving hazard at low levels of THC. Despite the fact that accident studies have repeatedly failed to find evidence of increased driving risk at low levels (1 or 2 ng in blood) of THC, numerous states and foreign countries have enacted "zero-tolerance" laws, treating any non-zero trace of THC as legal evidence for driving under the influence. "

feetup 4 years, 4 months ago

I agree with lawdog, can we please just focus on the grieving families right now and not try to sensationalize the tragedy with OMG he could have been high on pot? If Ryan was impaired, illegally driving, texting, sleeping or whatever, will it bring him or Cainon back or set either family right again? No. My heart goes out to both families, I cannot imagine what pain they are bearing right now. I see the young people who are friends of both families and they are devastated. I don't even think "devastated" is a big enough word. The surviving families have too much to bear now and for the rest of their lives without our ranting and raving about legalese right now. Does anyone know what happened to his dog that was riding with him? He's undergone surgery and will survive. A beautiful dog that now needs a home.

jafs 4 years, 4 months ago

Anybody who really believes that smoking pot won't impair their driving skills is kidding themselves.

As are those who claim that drinking won't affect them. Or a variety of legal prescription meds. Etc.

mrbig 4 years, 4 months ago

I would agree, but I also think that if they are going to post that it is a contributing factor that they need to put what his levels were at (just like BAC). There is a difference between driving while you are high, and having the drug in your system from weeks ago. If the paper wants to publish that, and give the family of the deceased boy who crossed the road something else to feel bad about, then they should put EVERYTHING in my opinion.

ku_law_pumo 4 years, 4 months ago

This debate should begin and end with the state's utter failure to prevent this and similarly horrific accidents. K-10 has long been a dangerous road, and this is just the latest reminder. Shame on the state legislators who can do nothing but pass laws making it more difficult to obtain an abortion when there are truly pressing public safety issues like this to be tackled. We need cables in the median now!

Bursting 4 years, 4 months ago

agreed as well, and yea cable will solve the problem buck, because somehow people keep crossing the median to their deaths. K10 has sooo much more traffic than 24-40, something definitely needs to be done PERIOD.

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

I will let my position known about cyclist also.. actually no im not because this was a tragic accident and the only thing that all of us need to be focused on is helping these two families in their time of need!!! My thoughts and prayers are with both families.

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

I knew neither family however I am a compassionate person and any loss of life especially at a young age and one that could've, should've been prevented, gets to me. How do you suggest that we keep all impaired or incompetent drivers off the road? should we screen each one before they get behind the wheel? how do we do that? What about the drivers that have worked 12,18 or 20 hour shifts and are just plain tired?

LoveThsLife 4 years, 4 months ago

I understand the need for medians, but if drugs WERE a contributing in factor in this accident I can't imagine the state having much control over someone's personal decision to get high and then drive.

Anyways, I am truly sorry for the family and friends of all involved this is a horrible thing to have happen and I wish them the best. I hope that the survivors make a full and speedy recovery.

Cai 4 years, 4 months ago

They're not. And, in this case, yes, Pittman would still be injured. But people are arguing that if an adequate barrier (cable is cheaper) was in place, the passengers of the minivan that was struck would be in better shape.

Personally, regardless of my view of the pot? The other two interact to form a much worse driving state than the pot by itself. And why was his license suspended to begin with?

LoveThsLife 4 years, 4 months ago

Cai, I understand why people are upset that the cable barrier isn't there and I agree that a cable barrier should be put up. However, to blame the state for the accident itself and/or the outcome is going too far.

When it comes down to it the fault lies with the person who chose to get in the car when he was in no shape to drive. Driving on a suspended license would show more irresponsibility (I have no idea if that accusation is even true).

However, it's not the state's fault he chose to drive under the influence of a combination of pot and medications and (if true) that he decided to drive while having a suspended license.

Cai 4 years, 4 months ago

Agreed, agreed, and agreed again.

A barrier is, I think, warranted, however. There's apparently enough people on the road that are a danger to everyone else...

grammaddy 4 years, 4 months ago

Agreed! Too many lives lost or changed forever on this road. Meanwhile, Brownback signs a bill to RAISE the speed limit on Kansas highways. That should fix it right?

fissuregirl 4 years, 4 months ago

Wait, Pittman had a dog with him? Does anyone know how the puppy is doing?

DanR 4 years, 4 months ago

I heard he was injured badly and will be/was put to sleep and will be buried with his friend, Ryan.

Perhaps the LJW could follow up on this?

applejuice 4 years, 4 months ago

Ryans mom is hoping to raise enough money to fix the dog and keep it. Ryan loved that dog and his mom wants this part of her son with her.

stevemarkcraig 4 years, 4 months ago

any updated info on Danny and Ann I pray that they will be okay

seekthetruth 4 years, 4 months ago

Danny is slowed but moving. Ann is critical and needs prayers. We all do.

LoveThsLife 4 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for that update. I hope Ann pulls through. How is the little girl?

Our thoughts and prayers are with them.

davo1546 4 years, 4 months ago

I feel very sorry for all parties invovled but that THC was in his sytem doesn't justify a reason as to why this happened. This is just another chance for Bible -belt kansans to blame the weed

crazyredneckmomma4 4 years, 4 months ago

yep sad isnt it. they dont want to face the facts when the facts are slapping them in the face!! barriers would have at least saved one life in this case!!

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grimpeur 4 years, 4 months ago

Pittman should have truly believed, truly been certain, that if he were caught driving while suspended, he'd be thrown in jail and his car impounded. However, recent history shows that aggressive, drunk, suspended, and habitual violators of all types are routinely offered many ways to keep their licenses or at least stay on the streets.

Based on what he knew from his fellow bad drivers' experiences, Pittman had every reason to believe that DMV or traffic court would bend over backward to make sure that no matter what happened, he wouldn't go to jail or lose his car, so naturally he didn't really feel like he was taking a big risk by driving while suspended.

How do we make sure bad drivers shape up because they think their actions will lead to dire consequences for them? By subjecting them to dire consequences.

monkeyspunk 4 years, 4 months ago

I completely agree with you about what is the real problem behind these K-10 accidents, but you have no idea about risk management and how it works, and how it is implemented in nearly every aspect of our lives.

I work in a field that deals with risks and threats of many types, we have to consider what we can control and what we cannot control.

If we can control something we take measures to do so and alleviate that risk.

If we cannot control something, we find ways to either live with the risk or we take measures to keep that risk from affecting us.

Now, how does one decide whether to live with the risk or to take measures against it? You look at what is at stake. If the risk is "low" we may do nothing at all and just monitor it, especially if it is cost or functionally prohibitive. If the risk is "moderate" we may take greater measures to secure it and protect it, but we keep the cost of protecting it in mind. If the risk is "high", meaning that lives are at stake, then we do what we have to to protect it, regardless of the cost sometimes. We don't do one thing, we do all things necessary. A very simplistic view.

This situation falls in the last category. Lives are at stake. Some of the problems we can control. Increased LE would be nice. Heftier fines for violation would be a good deterrent. I support both of those ideas. But I also support a barrier, because when the first two fail, if you have a reasonable solution that will probably work, you should implement it, when lives are at stake.

monkeyspunk 4 years, 4 months ago

Chances of him hitting a car going the same direction AFTER hitting a cable or concrete barrier on this highway are slim to none.

You don't seem very smart so I will spell it out for you. Car leaves highway, enters grass median. Grass will slow down a vehicle considerably before striking either concrete or cable median. If concrete, yes car could ricochet and reenter similarly oriented traffic, but since you wouldn't put a concrete barrier, we must assume it is a cable barrier. Moving forward with cable barrier. Grass causes deceleration, and depending on the angle at which the car strikes the barrier, the vehicle will slow down even more, not taking into account any damage done to drive train or tires after crossing uneven grass median and striking steel cables and poles.

So lets assume, that physics is wrong and the car somehow "bounces" off of the cable barrier and enters traffic, people behind him would have most likely seen this miracle of physics and moved away. And even if they didn't and the car had enough energy to come to rest in the same road it just left, a car could in theory strike the stationary car and a collision of an effective 70 to 80 MPH would result.

Now, even though the likelihood of this is so slim as to be nearly impossible, we should compare the resulting accident of 70 -80 MPH with the relative speed of a head on collision resulting from a median crossing on K-10 which would be, most likely 110 to 160 MPH. (Hint: Add the possible speeds of the two cars together to get the true speed and force of the collision.)

Again, hopefully you could follow that, though I doubt that you could follow Sesame Street.

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Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

it may not be to blame...but weed certainly doesn't help you focus and drive safely. And it is illegal. If weed did not alter you state of mind there would be no reason to smoke it. If you want to smoke, fine. Just stay home.

Deja Coffin 4 years, 4 months ago

Sending my thoughts and prayers for all the families, friends, and lives touched by this wreck. If there was something that could have prevented this accident, the knowledge of that may only make things a lot harder for these people. Let's continue to support and lift up these families as they go through this nightmare.

anggrn1999 4 years, 4 months ago

The Dog Was With Ryan, The Dog Needs Surgery And The Cost Of It Is Going To Be Around $2000. They Would Like To Keep The Dog, However They Do Need Help With The Exspense Of The Surgery This Dog Needs. To BOTH Families That Were Affected By Saturday's Tragedy, My Thought's And Prayer's Are With You. Please Show Respect For Them As They Are Dealing With This. All The THC Comment's And Pot Smoking Is NOT Helping Them During This, Remember Lives Were Lost On That Day.

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anggrn1999 4 years, 4 months ago

Seeker.......I Am Friends With The Families, And On His Sister's Post Today, She Was Asking For Help With Donation's For This Dog. So Think What You Would Like, It's Not A BS Post, It's A Fact. Here Is What The Post Said......Thanks to everyone for your support. My brother's dog Kainen survived the accident and needs surgery. Unfortunately we have been told that it may cost up to $2000. I know my brother loved his dog so much and would want us to do whatever we could to keep him safe. Our family is doing our best to pay for it, however any donations to help with the funeral costs and vet bill would be very much appreciated. I am going to the funeral home today at 1 o'clock to set up a fund in Ryan's name.

pagan_idolator 4 years, 4 months ago

Are you saying the dog is named the same as the 5 year old child killed only spelled differently????

Terry Jacobsen 4 years, 4 months ago

That would be a very strange twist to this very trajic circumstance. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

fissuregirl 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes that bothered me as well...... If there was a dog in the car with him then I think it should have been mentioned, he was a victim as well and has a right to be remembered. But if this some sick joke then I hope karma slaps the people involved in it.

anggrn1999 4 years, 4 months ago

It's Not Any Kind Of Sick Joke, Yes Ryan Took His Dog Everywhere HE Went. Above I Posted What Was On His Sister's Blog.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 4 months ago

Let me point out that he was also positive for benzodiazepine (which is actually a class of drugs that includes, Valium, Xanax and Klonopin) and methadone. These are CNS depressants that slow reaction time and make one "drugged" and sleepy. They also potentiate each other and make the effects of each drug worse. He may have actually fallen asleep at the wheel from those drugs. I really highly doubt that the presence of THC was the lone cause for this and contributed no more to it than alcohol would have (and actually would have contributed far less, as alcohol is also a CNS depressant and would have potentiated the other drugs as well). I have no doubt that the drugs contributed to and most likely caused this horrible thing to happen but this was someone on a suicide mission from the word go. It was just unfortunate he had to take out a five year old with him.

woodscolt 4 years, 4 months ago

This is completely irresponsible on the part of the HP to release this speculative information. Why not wait till the investigation has had time to produce some real information? Very unprofessional.

Terry Jacobsen 4 years, 4 months ago

Not unprofessional. He stated the facts as he knows them.

woodscolt 4 years, 4 months ago

So often information released prematurely can taint the investigation in the long run and have to be fixed. Why not wait until all the facts are on the table before making a comment like this. Literally a couple of days could make all the difference. This just creates a lot of speculation and conjecture.

formerfarmer 4 years, 4 months ago

Journal World. You would not print most of the remarks after the pedestrian train accident in Wellsville. How do you think both families feel after reading most of the comments in this column regarding drug effects.

It is a shame you can't be consistent.

woodscolt 4 years, 4 months ago

Absolutely!!! This is very shameful. This is really cruel to the families and friends involved.

notanota 4 years, 4 months ago

This. I can't imagine the heartbreak of that poor family. He was supposed to go to Kindergarten roundup on Monday, and he's being buried instead. Perspective, people.

tay2013 4 years, 4 months ago

Its not about YOU is it? You didn't know Ryan so I would say YOU have no real idea as to what he was and what he was not. Ryan was not "stoned out of his mind"

Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

anyone who was on that cocktail of drugs would be very, very high.Or they should ask for their money back.

evilpenguin 4 years, 4 months ago

You seem to have disproved your own post by returning to the LJW.....

devobrun 4 years, 4 months ago

After all the grieving and all the finger pointing, the dead will stand for nothing. That is the sad legacy of this. The beautiful young boy deserved none of this, but he died anyway. The 24 year old asked for all of it and got it. He drove his car with a combination of drugs in his system that are dangerous. The people who read this who grieve for young Cainan will receive nothing from any blogger. The people who read this who use drugs and are now scared will not change their behavior.
Cainan and his family weren't responsible. Pittman was. And drugs contributed. Grow up and learn. Or you will follow Ryan Pittman to his grave. I just hope that I am not driving my grandkids to Lawrence when you decide to get behind the wheel with an invalid license and using methadone and benzo.

Begs the question: Just when will dangerous and potentially fatal behavior become socially reprehensible? When will we return to pre-hippie days when bad behavior was socially stigmatized? Never. Ryan Pittman's life will not be vilified. He will not be blamed. People who do similar things will defend him.

Shame on you if you defend driving with methadone and benzo in your system.

tay2013 4 years, 4 months ago

You have no idea who Ryan was so SHAME ON YOU for trying to mark a label on someone who you have never once met. I will defend Ryan Pittman because again you don't know the first thing about what you are saying. Watch what you say and what you do because who knows it could very well end up being one of your children or grandchildren that gets behind the wheel with a suspended license and dies. It will not matter then and I feel sorry for you to be honest that you have no compassion or respect for Ryan's family and that you have such low moral's that you have to bash his family after such a tragic accident. Ryan is dead, your comments do nothing but hurt his family now.

tay2013 4 years, 4 months ago

For one thing nothing has said that Ryan was HIGH when this happened. Just because test showed pot in his system does not mean he was high. Pot remains in your system for several weeks. I knew Ryan and I know that he would not have gotten behind the wheel of a car if he was high. The fact is he's dead and so is the little boy both family's are grieving and it not right for anyone to get on here and try to bash one side or the other. Your comments don't hurt Ryan, they only hurt both family's and that's not fair to the Shutt family or the Pittman family. Let them grieve in peace without input from people that didn't know either Ryan or Cainan. You are stupid if you think that only careless people get in accidents.

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devobrun 4 years, 4 months ago

How does "who Ryan was" effect a judgement regarding what he did. He drove while having methadone and benzo in his system. He drove while impaired. If one of my children did this, I would think the same thing. I have no respect for you for trying to defend a person by changing the subject from his actions toward who he was.

Society must return to stigmatizing bad behavior. We now race to justify bad behavior because we love. Wrong. Do not drive while impaired. It causes 5 year olds to die.

No, I don't know Ryan. I fail to see how that knowledge changes what he did, or my judgement of his actions. The only good thing that could come out of this is if somebody learns from it and is more careful. Madd, Sadd, and other groups seek to train young folks. It is about time we added a social penalty to this. Call it bad. Make people feel ashamed for driving while impaired.

But we don't do that anymore, do we. We don't judge anymore. And people drive down the road texting, while high, and eating a burger at the same time. Because if we all die, its OK, we will still be loved.

Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

very, very well put. Driving while drunk or high is never ok. Ever.

Tonie Barnett Bruns 4 years, 4 months ago

Well said. We have NO idea what happened. He could have been smoking a Camel and dropped it in his lap like you mentioned. A box could have fallen out of the pick up infront of him to make him swerve. His dog (if it was in the car) could have done something to distract him. An animal could have jumped into the road to make him swerve and lose control. It's unfortunate, but just because the article in the LJWorld says, "tested presumptively positive for marijuana" does not mean marijuana was the cause of the accident. Why are people so quick to point fingers, and at who? A deceased 24 year old man? It appears he may or may not have been a troubled young man....maybe, but he's gone. He's done. He only got 24 years. He made a bad decision, like we all have, and it cost him his life, plus the innocent life of a child and hundreds, maybe even thousands heartbroken for their losses. If he would have lived I bet he would be sorry, I bet he would be tore up over his bad decision. I bet he wouldn't be able to look at another blonde headed little boy again without wanting to cry. He was human, not necessarily a monster, just a troubled young man that made a mistake....maybe, we don't even really know. I don't understand why people have to blame people like Ryan, when there is a Ryan in all of our families that we still love and care about. Defending him is not what is happening here, and if he would have survived he definately should pay his dues for what he caused, if he's found at fault. No one can look at that little face and not be angry with someone or something. I will not be angry with Ryan, I will be angry at the universe. For the mother of Cainan that has to somehow pull herself together to be there for her daughter. For the father of Cainan that will never have another chance to take that adorable little life fishing again. For the family and friends that will have to sit in a wedding in less than two weeks knowing that those happy moments would have been happier if Cainan was there. It's my opinion that Ryan has paid for his mistake. He paid for it on Saturday and tarnishing his life when he was here is not the answer to anyone's grieving.

jw721 4 years, 4 months ago

Very well put, as a friend of Ryan its hard to get on here and read the comments. Its nice to see you and several others offering condolences to the families as opposed to bickering about driving under the influence or barriers on K-10. Thank you.

SheppyJ 4 years, 4 months ago

Actually, all accidents are matters of public record. What becomes matters of public record is up to each state and their lawmakers. Law enforcement does not make the decision on what information they put out or not put out. They are usually dictated by law. If you wish to change that law, that is something that you should take up with your local politician. Any contributing factors to an accident are recorded for statistics. These statistics help in various ways. Alcohol and drugs are a statistic because they do impair a driver's decision making process. These statistics need to be made available to everyone, not because they want to scare you about meeting an impaired driver, but to inform people who wish to use the material in education. Learning from mistakes made is the only way to decrease these types of accidents. If one person thinks about this and decides not to drive because they are too impaired, that is one less dangerous driver on the road. I do feel for the families involved. I am sure that the 24 y.o. gentleman did not purposefully set out to harm anyone that day. I hope both families can find some sort of peace.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 4 months ago

Considering the two pharmaceuticals in his system it could be Pittman fell asleep.

We'll never know.

Beth Ennis 4 years, 4 months ago

My prayers go out to both families in this senseless tragedy. I have a 5 year old grandson myself and could not imagine something like this happening to him. The minivan doesn't look nearly as bad as other car. I wonder if the 5 year old was still in a car seat or not. Not trying to place blame, just curious. Again, I have my own grandson and would like to know if a car seat failed or if he was strapped in wrong or something else. So very sad. God be with all of you.

Amberella83 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes, he was in his booster seat. His is the one laying on the ground from what I've been told. All parties except for Pittman were strapped in.

birdiegirl 4 years, 4 months ago

All the details will be sorted out in time. Please remember the family who has lost a precious little child and the injured that need to recover. Also remember the Pittman family. They have lost a son and must live with this now. Tragic for everyone involved.

rock_chalk_ku 4 years, 4 months ago

Journal World - Horrible decision to allow comments to be posted without being censored first. There are several comments on here that have crossed the line and are insensitive. This is a horrible tragedy for both families and the community of Eudora. Thoughts and prayers to all those involved and hurt by this situation. I highly suggest you only allow pre-approved comments to be posted.

tay2013 4 years, 4 months ago

This is a horrible tragedy for both families involved. Instead of everyone getting on here to place judgements about Ryan or what could have changed the outcome, we should be giving our hearts to both of the families that have lost their loved ones. This situation is a very sad one, but both families are going through a lot of hurt right now. The last thing either family needs is a reminder of everything that happened. Nothing we post on here is going to change the fact that both families lost a son and a brother, both families are hurting and need all the support they can get. Instead of placing the blame, wouldn't it make more since to come together as a community and support both families in their time of hurt and grieving. Both families have gone through a great deal of loss and heartbreak. My heart goes out to both the Pittman and Shutt families. God Bless both families and remember that Ryan and Cainan are in a much better place now. They will both be greatly missed, but will never be forgotten.

baby_girl31 4 years, 4 months ago

ahhhh....answers my questions on what may have contributed to the accident. How terrible...

Ken Schmidt 4 years, 4 months ago

Assuming Mr. Pittman obtained benzodiazepine (in whichever prescription formulation) and methadone legally, these medications would have both had a warning on the label to avoid operating heavy equipment and/or driving while under their influences. I will choose not to address the matter of the presence of an additional illegal substance, no matter when it may or may not have been taken, and the possible ramifications therein. This is a potentially lethal combination for any person, irregardless of their tolerance. If Mr. Pittman was under a physcian's care, the physician would have been required to explain the effects of a schedule II opioid (methadone) and its synergistic effects with a benzodiazepine.

In the end, two sons are no longer able to enjoy life and two families are tragically hurting. Their smiles are reduced to memories and photographs. For the love of my own family, if you take these medications legally, PLEASE follow the instructions no matter how well you feel on them. If you choose to partake recreationally, have the courtesy to stay at home and DON'T get behind the wheel. I won't judge what you do in your own home, but I will judge you if you recklessly endager the lives of others needlessly.

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Annie Rajaei 4 years, 4 months ago

How many "cross over" accidents is it going to take for the city to build a wall or railing (similiar to I-70) down K10. I know it's expensive, but it's much needed. Stop building round-a-bouts and put the money where it's needed!!! K10 is becoming the scariest highway to drive!

Amy Heeter 4 years, 4 months ago

Yeah well if you want to argue the pod and cons of pot go to a hemp rally. Family and friends don't need to come on here and see your propaganda. A five year old was killed and a 23 moth old may be presently change by a spinal cord injury. Save the soapbox for a later date.

seekthetruth 4 years, 4 months ago

Coco may not be permantly changed by the neck fracture but her life will be through the tragedy that occured Saturday. I have to thank you artichokeheart for the above words. I just got on to see if the car accident pictures were removed as we had hoped. Would just like to see on of Ann, Danny, Coco and Cainan together happy almost any other day of their lives. They've added a great picture of Cainan but let's get the wreck pictures off the internet. and stop talkingabout anything else!!

jessanddaron 4 years, 4 months ago

Methadone is not normally a "painkiller" it is used to treat opiate addicts. This is USUALLY the case so I can not say if that was the case in this situation. Benzodiazepines are used to treat involuntary body movement, severe anxiety, etc. And would easily be the most impairing of the substances listed unless it was just in his system from sometime within 24-48 hours before the accident which would give him enough time to not be feeling the effects of the drugs. I drive daily on benzodiazepines (per subscription) and am fully aware that if I over medicate it does impair my ability to drive. I hope this was not the issue here but I will break it down easily for everyone who seems to be easily throwing blame. Methadone can not even impair a person if they are used to high levels of opiates so that is probably not a factor. Marijuana would have to be an unusual occurrence or first time thing for his driving abilities to be altered. Benzodiazepines (Xanax, Ativan, etc.) will make you feel different and can seriously cause your driving to be poor under many circumstances.

Amberella83 4 years, 4 months ago

I know of a doctor who prescribes Methadone for back pain. No joke. And I know one of this doctor's patients has overdosed on it three time. His patient is my mother. So sad, but it's fairly easy to get these kinds of drugs. You just have to know the right doctor, or patient. My mom is like a ZOMBIE when she's on Methadone. Because she's not used to opiates. She just has back pain. None of us will ever know if it was the drugs or not. But if there are drugs in your system, that's what people will default to. Sad, but true.

Chelsea Kapfer 4 years, 4 months ago

Methadone will absolutely, postively impair you. Methadone is synthetic herion.

Machala04 4 years, 4 months ago

This is so sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of those involved.

Mr_Missive 4 years, 4 months ago

Everyone knows smoking dope is a victimless crime.

Jeanne Cunningham 4 years, 4 months ago

Take Old K-10 (aka Co Rd 442 or N1400 Rd) , from Lawrence starting out on 15th Street (which becomes N1500 Rd out in the county), which goes past the Industrial Park (Amarr, etc.) or from Eudora starting out on 10th Street. It may even be a shorter distance (depending of course on exactly where you are going to/from). I much prefer it - much more scenic. And, even though it's two-way roads all the way, and the speed limit is lower, I feel it's much safer. It probably IS safer because of the lower speeds. So, I think the couple of minutes or so that might be saved by taking the highway, can not possibly be worth a life (or two or more, as has been the case).

Don Whiteley 4 years, 4 months ago

I love how all the potheads are coming out to defend drivng while high, just like drunks defend drinking and driving.

Paula Kissinger 4 years, 4 months ago

So today there is new evidence for everyone to get their 2 cents worth in on. Pittman's body contained THC, benzodiazepenes and methadone. The THC is illegal...a no brainer...and a choice by Pittman to consume. The other substances were either obtained illegally, like the pot, hash or whatever or through prescriptions. Illegal consumption = self-medicating and the last bad decision made by Pittman. Legal consumption of the possibly prescribed medications = some doctor has a lot of explaining to do. Still the THC on top of it all was Pittman's own doing knowing full well that he was taking the other drugs.

My condolences to the Basel (et al) family on the loss of their son, their suffering and that of their baby. May God touch your lives now with guidance, comfort and healing. So sad too that a dog lost it's life due to what appears to be a negligent act as well.

Amberella83 4 years, 4 months ago

As adults we all know that if we drive while under the infuence of any substance, our credibility will be lost if an accident occurs. It's just something you have to take responsibility for. Many of us have driven under the influence. Some people never do. Regardless of what the cause, drugs, sleep, cell phone, none of it takes away the pain or brings back the lives that were lost. Nothing we can debate makes this any less tragic. My heart goes out to both families. I have been hugging and squeezing my children tighter every day. It could have happened to any of us. I hope they can all find peace some day.

Kelly Johnson 4 years, 4 months ago

Since there seems to be quite a few people posting here who knew Ryan, why was he taking benzos and methadone and smoking pot? ALL of those are central nervous system depressants. Methadone and benzos are commonly drugs of abuse. Methadone is often injected to make the high more immediate and the effects stronger.

I do have sympathy for Ryan's grieving family, but it IS relevant that he was driving under the influence of these substances and cause the death of another and severe injuries of even more. This information should be public knowledge because people need to know why they should exercise extreme caution when driving under the influence even if the substances in question are legally prescribed drugs that are not being abused. Just because someone died doesn't mean they shouldn't bear responsibility for their actions. It's like saying the hijackers of the planes on 9-11 can't be blamed because they're dead now.

princess81 4 years, 4 months ago

Please remember 2 people died and others have injuries. Regardless as to what the cirumstances are, 2 lives were lost in this horrible situation.

EudoraGrad07 4 years, 4 months ago

I went to school with Ryan and he was a very caring young man. If he was behind the wheel while on those type of prescriptions then he should of known better. We all need to remember there are 2 lives that have been taken waay to early. Its not fair to any of the family members to have to get on here and see everyone talking smack! It amazes me how everyone can be so heartless!

Eudora06 4 years, 4 months ago

I too went to school with Ryan. We graduated together the same year and grew up on the same street. Yeah he may have made some wrong choices but NEITHER of the victims deserved this. I don't understand how people on here can be so heartless and say Ryan got what he deserved. His dog was in the car with him, so there is absolutely no telling what specifically caused that accident. There was an unfortunate accident that happened to these two families and everyone in Eudora knew either both families or at least one of them. They said they found drugs in his system but that doesn't necessarily mean he was messed up when the accident happened.Those drugs could've been from the day/night before. That was not specified. So how about instead just assuming things that haven't been 100% proven, we ALL just shut up and let these families grieve in peace. Noone who lost a friend or family member on Saturday likes seeing everyone on here smack talking on things they're putting together on their own to look like they know everything. Just let it go and keep your rude comments to yourself. Noone asked your specific opinion and frankly to all the negative comments, it doesn't matter what you have to say. You were not there when it happened and the only person who could've answered that for us was taken way too early from all of his friends and family and it was tragic enough that both families lost their young sons. Those two families grew up on the same street together and attended school together. So please stop trying to stir up more crap and let friends and families deal with it on their own. And I agree with mawils- just completely remove the comment section LJW.

Dixie Jones 4 years, 4 months ago

Eudora i tried to comment on your comment ...nope cant do it... you said it BEST. thoughts and prayers for your loss of your community members.

mawils 4 years, 4 months ago

LJW- after reading most of the comments on hear I believe you should remove ALL the comments and not allow anymore. These families are all going through to much to have all this bs being postedd. Do the right thing and Remove the comment section.

cj123 4 years, 4 months ago

He was a beautiful little boy! R.I.P to Cainan AND Ryan! My thoughts and prayers to all family and friends involved.

Scott Morgan 4 years, 4 months ago

tange, been sad since I read about this days ago. RIP is the best thing to say.

Dixie Jones 4 years, 4 months ago

I dont know either family involved here, but both of these familes have lost something VERY precious to them.Our prayers and thoughts are with thoes who called these young men son,brother,grandson,nephew, cousin,friend.

Kris_H 4 years, 4 months ago

I too am very sorry for all the families and all the grief and pain caused by this terrible tragedy.

However, it's still instructive to try to examine the reasons it happened, just because maybe by reading this discussion, someone will stop and think, "Wow, that might have been me, maybe I'd better not toke up (pop pills, drink, whatever) before I drive." If a few people do that and as a consequence a few lives might be saved, the discussion is valuable.

And if the state can be inspired to come up with the funds to put some barriers at least at the most dangerous spots on K-10, that will be even more valuable. I'd increase my taxes a few dollars next year to pay for that.

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