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Kansas GOP candidates like proof of citizenship requirement, but court says no in Arizona

October 27, 2010, 12:36 p.m. Updated October 27, 2010, 5:32 p.m.


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— Republican candidates Sam Brownback and Kris Kobach have said they want a law in Kansas that would require proof of citizenship to register to vote.

But such an effort may face legal problems.

Earlier this week, such a law in Arizona was tossed by a three-judge panel of the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The panel, however, did uphold a requirement that voters provide ID when voting. The same court next week will consider parts of Senate Bill 1070, the controversial Arizona immigration law that Kobach co-wrote.

On the issue of requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote, the court ruled that the Arizona law conflicted with the federal National Voter Registration Act of 1993.

That act established a uniform registration form that requires applicants to swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury.

In 2004, Arizona voters approved Proposition 200 a separate state registration form that requires proof of citizenship.

But voting rights and Hispanic groups said the law created barriers to voting, especially for new citizens. They claimed thousands of Arizona voters had their registrations rejected because they didn’t provide the documents required by the state.

The appeals court panel — which included former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, who heard the case as a temporary appeals judge — agreed with the plaintiffs.

“It is indisputable that by requiring documentary proof of citizenship, Proposition 200 creates an additional state hurdle to registration,” their ruling said.

Supporters of the law said it ensured only eligible voters cast ballots in elections, and they promised to appeal the ruling.

Brownback, who is running for Kansas governor, and Kobach, who’s running for secretary of state, have said requiring proof of citizenship would be good for Kansas’ election system.

“This will help reduce instances of voter fraud,” Brownback said.

Brownback’s opponent, Democrat Tom Holland, and Kobach’s opponent, Democratic Secretary of State Chris Biggs, have been critical of the Republicans’ positions on voter requirements. Both Republicans also support requiring Kansans to show a photo ID to vote.

“This is a solution in search of a problem,” said Holland. “The largest threat to the integrity of our elections would be career politicians placing additional – and expensive - barriers between voters and the ballot box. This burden would be especially hard on the elderly, the poor and the disabled,” he said.

Biggs has said there are few voting irregularities in Kansas elections, and Kobach is simply creating an issue where there is none. But Kobach has said it is a real problem, and has also vowed, if elected, to expand the prosecutorial powers of the secretary of state’s office.

Next week, the federal appeals court will take up Arizona’s appeal of a lower court ruling that prevented parts of Senate Bill 1070 from taking effect. The bill, which Kobach was instrumental in forming, requires local law enforcement to seek proof of citizenship from people they suspect of being in the country illegally.


Danimal 7 years, 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure several states have already been down this road and met a huge roadblock in the courts, specifically the Supreme Court. Why can't Kris Kobach just move to Arizona already? At this point he has nothing of value to bring to our state and its governance.

missmagoo 7 years, 6 months ago

I guess I just don't see the argument here. If you're not a US Citizen, you can't vote here. If you can't prove you are, you probably shouldn't be voting anyways! How is it different than providing proof of citizenship to.. work, drive, etc? Someone please explain!

zzgoeb 7 years, 6 months ago

Well, let's try this analogy. Next Tuesday, all white voters over the age of 50 have to produce proof of citizenship to would that go down do you suppose? See, the point is "white" voters aren't "suspect", and would throw a huge fit if asked to do what "brown" voters are asked? Get it?

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

If enacted, the law would apply to all voters.

zzgoeb 7 years, 6 months ago

Sure it does...ever seen a "voter fraud" group in a suburban white precinct? What the proposed law says, and how it works or is enforced are two different matters. Any perusal of voting history going back to oh, 2000, show who has been disenfranchised in polls and it's not middle-class, middle-aged whites!!!

missmagoo 7 years, 6 months ago

I see --

And I guess the answer to your question is to vote for or against immigration propositions...

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

It would take nearly every unqualified immigrant illegally voting to actually swing elections in the way you suggest. Do you really think that could happen without detection?

To answer my own question, they're here to make as much money as they can, at whatever jobs are available to them, and not having proper visas, etc., means that they are very limited in their job opportunities. Do you really think they'll risk voting, putting themselves at even greater risk of detection, in elections about which they probably know next to nothing about?

Sadly, you probably believe whatever hysterical BS you're fed.

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

It is a right of an American citizen.

Clara Westphal 7 years, 6 months ago

Illegal immigrants have little to fear anymore. It is a rare case when they are apprehended. Even when they are, they are given a citation and nothing more happens to them.

Shane Powers 7 years, 6 months ago

Completely untrue and unfounded statement. One of my best friends was an illegal immigrant with a natural born wife and 3 natural born children. He was deported 2 years ago (no he was NOT a criminal, just a hard working guy trying to support his family, not unlike you or me) and now his family is left without their primary breadwinner, collecting welfare/section 8 housing/foodstamps/you name it.

I'm not claiming to have the answer, immigration is a tricky subject. I'm just trying to demonstrate that the life of an illegal alien is not nearly as worry free as some people would like to think. They truly live in the shadows of society.

As for the voting issue, why is this such a concern? we can't even get every American to vote, why would illegals do it? Puff Daddy fans perhaps?

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

If married to an American citizen, isn't he then one?

missmagoo 7 years, 6 months ago

not true.. he isn't like you and me because I was born in this country and am here legally.

Shane Powers 7 years, 6 months ago

@Jafs- sadly he is not. I don't think it has worked that way for a long time. Not sure about the specifics of that whole situation.

@missmagoo-that was really the portion of my comment you chose to dispute? I said he was like you and me because he worked hard to support his family, a sentiment with which I think most can probably sympathize. unless of course your job was taken by an illegal immigrant. you didn't get laid off from your $4/hr strawberry harvesting or house framing job...did you?

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

Just a little research shows the requirements are pretty straightforward and not expensive:

File a few forms. Live here for 3 years with a clean criminal record. Apply for, take and pass the citizenship test.

And voila, you're a citizen!

There must be some reason he didn't do these things.

Shane Powers 7 years, 6 months ago

I can't speak as to why he did or did not do that in the first place but currently he is under a 20 year deportation. I don't know if you watch Colbert, but he did a story the other night about a woman who turned 101 years of age before her citizenship, which she had applied for as a child, was approved. That indicates to me that it is not a "voila" kind of situation. In my experience with illegals, any time you ask why they haven't followed the proper avenues the answer is the same "it's hard, and it takes a long time."

Again, I don't claim to have the answers to the problem, but it's apparent that we must do more to expedite the process for desireable immigrants, and crack down on the less desireables. tough to do when they all come in the same way.

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

According to my research, the above steps are the only ones necessary if one is married to an American citizen.

It is undoubtedly the easiest road to citizenship.

There may be other areas in which we can improve the way the system works, but it seems to me that this fellow could have become a citizen without much trouble, and must have chosen not to do so for some reason.

kcgregory 7 years, 6 months ago

It's a lot more difficult than you make it sound. My sister-in-law tried to gain citizenship for years after marrying my brother. It was made more difficult by the fact that he kept getting stationed at different bases, some overseas, but nevertheless she tried and tried to follow their procedures only to get notifications that she had missed such and such window for said paperwork, failed to file proper form at correct office (one time the form HAD been filed at the correct office), etc. I'm not saying it shouldn't be required and she ultimately was successful after 3+ years of jumping through hoops, but to act as if they just need to make their intentions know and then take a test is inaccurate. There is as much redtape in these procedures as any other gov't branch.

ivalueamerica 7 years, 6 months ago

Besides the irony that those who call for fewer government intrusions into our lives want greater government intrusion at this point....

There is also the irony that those who claim to be the party of patriots are the ones most likely to spit on the Constitution.

If they are unable to save our country without ripping it apart, they are failures, traitors and the enemy within.

I will not let them destroy the Constitution so easily.

beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago

Seeing as how we currently have five activist judges sitting on the Supreme Court, you might be correct.

beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago

Justice Robertsthomasalitoscaliakennedy is obviously the fifth. The five-headed monster that ruled that corporations have the rights of citizens and can spend unlimited funds in support of political candidates, the most activist decision in many years, possibly ever.

Jimo 7 years, 6 months ago

Considering that the 9th Circuit is - BY FAR - the largest Court of Appeals (out of 13 total), covering 9 States and 2 Territories, and containing 1/5th of the U.S. population and generating significantly more decisions per year than any other Circuit (over 6,000), it would be miraculous is it wasn't frequently reversed.

In 2007, the uber-conservative 5th Circuit (Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas) was reversed 80% of the time. The Virginia Supreme Court has been before the high court 4 times in 15 years and been reversed 100% of the time. None of this tells you much about the quality of the court.

What's more, as a consequence of its vast size, the 9th frequently, as in this case, uses panels of 3 to handle the volume. Obviously, decisions made by small groups (a majority of 2) are more subject to one-off decisions vulnerable to reversal.

Besides, on the merits of this case, there's not much room for reversal. The federal National Voter Registration Act says that States must allow mail-in voter registration by signature certifying that the registrant is a U.S. citizen. States aren't free to dream up further - and contradictory - rules themselves. If AZ refuses to register someone because they don't prove their citizenship then they are not 'allowing mail-in voter registration by signature certifying that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.'

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago


One of the arguments that's often made in opposition to the ID requirement when voting is that one has to show one when registering.

If this is not the case, then that weakens that argument.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

You just keep drinking that Kool Aid, honey.

AlexHamilton 7 years, 6 months ago

In six days conservatives (for the most part) will take back the state of Kansas, and much of the country. Desperate hit pieces from the left can do nothing to change this certainty.

Kris Kobach will be the best thing that has happened to Kansas in decades. I can't wait for him to take office and help lead our state! With the help of all the new conservative state reps that we'll be sending to Topeka next year, as well as Governor Brownback and Attorney General Schmidt, Secretary of State Kobach will do much to restore the 10th Amendment and return power in this nation to the people. Go, Kobach!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

Kobach will be so fortunate to have such able assistants as Brownback and Schmidt while he leads the state from the former position of head state cleric.

Jimo 7 years, 6 months ago

"Restore" the 10th amendment? It didn't go anywhere.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

I'm with you Jimo. "Restore" the 10th amendment? Oh wait! he means interpret the 10th Amendment the way he thinks it should be interpreted. Kinda like, 'y'know, those people who say that, because the words "separation of church and state" aren't actually in the Constitution word for word, the concept doesn't exist.

Determined 7 years, 6 months ago

In regard to voting, Trust, but verify.

citizen4honor 7 years, 6 months ago

We need real proof of citizenship and a photo ID. The only thing preventing voter fraud now is someone's conscience. Did you know these are the current "proofs" of citizenship?

Nursing home roster if on government form (such as filed with KDHE, Aging) Ham radio operator’s license issued by Federal Communications Commission Vehicle registration Copy of DMV change of address form Statement from post office that an individual lives in and receives mail at a specific facility/location Medicare or Medicaid check SRS check WIC check Other public assistance check

Full list:

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

"The only thing preventing voter fraud now is someone's conscience."

Well, not really. There's also the fact that there is little or nothing to be gained by it, other than deportation and/or jail time .

citizen4honor 7 years, 6 months ago

Since they have not prosectued anyone in years for voter fraud how much of a treat do you think it is to anyone who votes illegally? Did you look at my list? Ham radio license is proof of citizenship? Rooster from a nursing home? Come on use some common sense here.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

Yea, there must be literally millions of illegal immigrant geezers stuffing the ballot box. And if that doesn't work, the ham radio license scam surely gets Democrats elected by the boatload. It's truly shocking, I tell you!! Shocking!!!

deec 7 years, 6 months ago

Why would a rooster be in a nursing home?

Smarmy_Schoolmarm 7 years, 6 months ago

That is a list of acceptable forms of voter identification (proof that you're a resident of Kansas), not proof that you're a US citizen. I hope you're paying closer attention when it comes time to vote.

missmagoo 7 years, 6 months ago

So given the list that Citizen provided above of acceptable forms of citizenship... what would be an instance where someone who is a legal US citizen CANNOT prove it? Someone who doesn't have a car, fine, but they don't pay any bills, don't have a bank account, and don't receive government assistance? Baloney. People need to get off their high horse! If you want to buy a beer, you need ID. If you want to vote, you have to be a US citizen, and if asked -- you should be able to prove it! Why does this have to be so complicated?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

It's not complicated. There is virtually no reason to vote if you're not a citizen, and very little chance that enough illegals could actually vote undetected to significantly affect the result of an election.

With so many real problems to get your panties twisted over, this one is just silly.

Jimo 7 years, 6 months ago

"Someone who doesn't have a car, fine, but they don't pay any bills, don't have a bank account, and don't receive government assistance? Baloney."

That's a lot of Oscar Meyer you're spewing there, Porky. The fact is that you do not have to prove your citizenship to do any of those things. Indeed, no small number of people would have some problem proving such. Heck, we've had people deported wrongfully from the U.S. because they couldn't provide such proof before deportation (only to be let back in later).

Sorry but this is a laughable scandal ginned up periodically by the GOP to explain to each other how they manage to lose elections when "everyone" agrees with the GOP. Given the boiling hot attention the GOP has had on this issue for years, isn't it amazing that the total number of voter fraud cases actually found amounts to about a dozen over many years across the entire country?

People rarely engage in high risk behavior (fines and imprisonment) in return for little if any return (one vote virtually never is relevant). Besides, what makes you think that the dozen or so people convicted of this didn't split their vote among Parties?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

"People rarely engage in high risk behavior like getting money to vote or walk hundreds of miles across wasteland to hide from the law."

People walk hundreds of miles across wasteland to get a minimal paycheck rather than zero paycheck. They don't do so to vote in an election about which they know nothing, for which they will get get zero paycheck, and potentially imprisonment and automatic deportation.

Reality really sucks when you're trying to make political points against an imaginary enemy, doesn't it?

citizen4honor 7 years, 6 months ago

I think a lot of people here are assuming that the photo ID is to prevent illegals from voting. Much fraud is people voting twice, ("vote early and vote often", Al Capone), miscounts ( "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” Stalin), community organizers helping nursing home patients vote (those unable to communicate, read, write), mickey mouse votes, ballots show up after the election in someone's trunk (Al Franken - recount). The process is so lax it is prime for fraud.

True story. On Monday a man went into Shawnee County Election office carrying an advanced ballot application already completed and signed. It had a WOMAN"s name on it. The Clerk said "Is this you?" He said yes. She then asked him for his address which he read off of the application. Clerk said, "OK" and he voted. No one asked for ANY identification of ANY kind. Guess he just looked honest.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

" Much fraud is people voting twice,"

Interesting that you say "much fraud," while your evidence is for very little fraud. Unverified, at that.

My take is that you're a bald-faced liar. Prove me wrong.

gatekeeper 7 years, 6 months ago

Give sources for your Shawnee story.

Let's see, was the name maybe Stacy or some other name that both men and women have? How about some details instead of some made up story?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 6 months ago

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Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

Jim Crow laws for Hispanics. Gotta love it.

SnakeFist 7 years, 6 months ago

Consider this: How would you prove you're a citizen? Presumably, with your birth certificate. But regressives want to do away with "birthright citizenship" guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, so having a U.S. birth certificate will no longer be proof of citizenship. How will you prove you're a citizen then?

Regressives' hate of others will be their own undoing.

jumpin_catfish 7 years, 6 months ago

Pretty sure most Americans approve proof of citizenship to vote except squirrelly people.

rtwngr 7 years, 6 months ago

Most of you people act like there are no laws that are meant to prevent a person from entering this country illegally. I see blogs about "walking hundreds of miles for a paycheck" and "Jim Crow" laws. The fact is it is illegal to enter this country without going through the proper channels and having permission to do so. I don't care a wit whether the immigrant can earn a paycheck in their country or not. It is not the United State's responsibility to provide them with a job. If I am out of work and have no income, that does not give me the right to commit a crime to obtain money.

What about the people that live along the international border. What about their rights as land owners? What about their rights to enjoy U.S. parkland without being shot because they have ventured into an area that drug runners like to use because of the remoteness of the area? Why is it other countries dictate to us what our policies should be on immigration when they do nothing but encourage their citizens to break the immigration laws of our country?

What's more, you bleeding hearts elected a president that is all for "card check" at union elections but nooooooo, you can't ask for identification at a municipal election poll. Talk about hypocrisy. Then we have the "New Black Panther" party members being given a pass by the Justice Department because they refuse to prosecute black on white voter intimidation. (And before you call me a racist, those words came from a member of the Justice Department that testified under oath that that is what he was told by his superiors.)

So Bozo, Jimo, and the rest of you libs, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. You sponsor them and you support them if you want immigration. Don't ask me to support them with my tax dollars when they wind up on the social service rolls in one of our states. I'm already sending "Obama Money" to people that want to suckle on the social service nipple.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

rt do you know what a "Jim Crow" law is? Jim Crow laws were laws created in the South to keep blacks from voting and participating in government. If they're here illegaly do you honestly think they are going to try and vote? That's so funny! A good third of the people who are actually eligible to vote don't vote!

rtwngr 7 years, 6 months ago

I do know what Jim Crow laws are my friend and I don't need you to give me a history lesson on the subject. Nothing in my blog indicates the contrary. The purpose of my post is to point out that voting is a privilege exercised by "citizens" of our country. If you are in this country illegally then you should not be showing up to vote in our elections. Illegal aliens do in order to stack the deck for municipal offices that will be favorable to their needs in areas where there are concentrations of illegal populations like Arizona, New Mexico, and California.

Jimo 7 years, 6 months ago

Sorry, I'm a conservative - you just wouldn't know conservatism if it bit you in the backside.

rtwngr 7 years, 6 months ago

No you're not. You have stood in opposition to two key conservative postitions recently, Mr. Pro Choice.

Don Whiteley 7 years, 6 months ago

I can't tell you how flipping happy it makes me to know that three U.S. Judges support the right of Mexican, Iranian, Ukranian, Chinese, and literally any citizen of any country in the world to vote in our elections. Why have elections at all? Let's just ask Mexico and Iran who they want running our country.

bd 7 years, 6 months ago

I have to show ID if I write a check??? Whats the big deal??? Obummer will require ID for his new health care mess, so what is the problem here???

Tea anyone????

Paul R Getto 7 years, 6 months ago

The Unicorns are coming! The Unicorns are coming! The Unicorns are coming! Be afraid; be very afraid (of Kobach wasting money and time and making us the laughing stock of the country,) just like General Kline did.

SnakeFist 7 years, 6 months ago

Driver's licenses, utility bills, etc. are proof of residency, not citizenship. The only thing most of you have to prove citizenship is your birth certificate, assuming you still have that 100 year old document printed on papyrus.

In my opinion, proof of military service should be required to vote. If you're not willing to defend it, then you should have no say in how its run.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

Then our government would be a military junta.

Kontum1972 7 years, 6 months ago

hey Dist. Voice......i am a mexican.....i was born in kansas city.....i fought in vietnam against the commies...u got a problem with me being mexican?

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

That depends. Do you have a birth certificate to prove it? Has it been certified by your state of birth? Are you an anchor baby? How long ago did your Mexican parents/grandparents come here? Were they illegal when they immigrated here? Did they become US citizens before they died? You have any white blood in you? How much?

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

By the way, I'm not personally trying to be insulting. I' making a point of the questions these racist dirtbags ask.

Don Whiteley 7 years, 6 months ago

Not at all. I'm Irish. We both have the right to vote in our elections so long as we're citizens of the United States. I'm working in Canada and, trust me, Canadians do not allow Americans to vote in their elections. Why should we let citizens of other countries vote in ours? Just because they snuck over the border and didn't get caught?

rtwngr 7 years, 6 months ago

You're not Mexican. You are an American of Mexican ancestry.

Jimo 7 years, 6 months ago

Photo ID's aren't the question (indeed, the court upheld that requirement) but rather a 'guilty until you prove yourself innocent' requirement to prove citizenship before you can exercise the right the Constitution grants to you. Sorry but if even one U.S. citizen is deprived of their right then this law is unconstitutional.

remember_username 7 years, 6 months ago

I was just curious about the cost of voting. Right now voting is free, but if a voter must provide an ID that currently costs money to get then it will cost money to vote. Somehow that just doesn't seem right.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

You guys are too funny. Hahahahaha! Here.

It's called THE NATIONAL VOTER REGISTRATION ACT. Let me break that down for you. TheNational Voter Registration (I know that's 4 syllables but if you struggle hard you can do it)Act.. The word Act means it's a law, boys and girls. It was passed by Congress in 1993. Now. Keep talking. Oh and tell Mr. K.K. (K.) the Constitution is not toilet paper. I'll be happy to get him a Sears catalog.

DavidHerst 7 years, 6 months ago

Non-problem, non-problem, non-problem.

Wonder what he REALLY wants to do? Gain a semi-legitimate soapbox to spew his hate

Man I miss the Stasi ; the GDR Secret Police

Kontum1972 7 years, 6 months ago

cait 48, i have all the above and i witnessed my grandparents becoming american citizens i was born at providence hospital.....white blood?

.. blood is red.. not white

Kontum1972 7 years, 6 months ago

CAIT 48.......i work for the treasury dept.....for the past 30 years.......what do u do?

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

I honestly wasn't trying to be insulting. I was showing you the questions that I have actually seen asked on this board. I was an RN for 35 years and I actually have street cred in the Hispanic community. In the 1980's I volunteered with LULAC and worked in a mobile clinic that gave free health care in migrant workers camps. I also worked with LULACs educational arm, LNESC, assisting Latino children to get college funding. Please do not think that I am the kind of person that would act that racist. I'm not. But I can guarantee there are people out there that are and would be more than happy to take away everything you have just because you are "different" and, to quote George Carlin, have "brown skin".

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

I bet you just wet your pants every time you get to play agent provocateur.

Jimo 7 years, 6 months ago

Of course, the underlying reality here is that any such law wouldn't be uniformly enforced. Friend I know recently moved to a state that requires a signed affidavit of citizenship and two forms of ID, one of which must be a driver's license or state issued ID.

Documents in hand, this friend of mine went to register to vote. Being white and speaking non-accented English, the election worker never bothered to ask to see the ID. you suppose Maria speaking halting English would have been waived straight through?

Of course, as a GOP candidate would - and has - proposed: we can always adopted an East German police state with mandatory IDs, secret files on all people and police spies everywhere.

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

Many laws aren't uniformly enforced.

Should we get rid of them? Or work for uniform enforcement?

Melinda Black 7 years, 6 months ago

Great idea Brownback and Kobach. Let's waste Kansas tax payer money on the inevitable legal challenges that are sure to follow. .

Voter fraud is a non-issue in our state. Talk about the theater of the absurd.

zzgoeb 7 years, 6 months ago

To really understand this issue in AZ, read this new investigation into AZ and illegals. This put an whole new angle of greed and control on the party of "less government"!

gatekeeper 7 years, 6 months ago

I hear this today on my way to work. Of course, corporate greed.

bender 7 years, 6 months ago

"But Kobach has said it is a real problem, and has also vowed, if elected, to expand the prosecutorial powers of the secretary of state’s office"

Does anyone know if the secretary of state is empowered to expand their own powers unilaterally? I searched the Kansas Constitution and could not find any prosecutorial powers granted to the secretary of state whatsoever.

Does Kobach know what office he's running for?

jaketh 7 years, 6 months ago

All this bs about voter fraud. On the average less than 50% of all eligible voters vote anyway. Instead, why don't we focus on increasing the participation & making a vibrant democracy. When average 40% of the voters decide for the rest of the population , it is sad day for democracy & America. Voter fraud is created more by human or machine error in counting like hanging chad of the Bush-Gore election. Having more election monitors in the tallying up process is a much better process to ensure free & fair election.

If an ID is required to vote, then, EVERYONE (white, black, hispanics etc) should be required to show piece of ID all the time & everytime, not just a specific ethnic group. This is where the problem lies. This rule will not be enforced evenly. DL can be gotten without proof of citizenship. Birth Certificate is not a picture ID. One will have to present a picture ID along with a Birth Certificate. Probably, we will have to carry the passports. Now how many Americans have their passports? Not all of us!

missmagoo 7 years, 6 months ago

To REGISTER to vote...and this law would apply to everyone, white black or purple. See list of acceptable forms of citizenship proof above before you spew anything else! :)

Matt Torres 7 years, 6 months ago

I hate to have to say this, but illegal immigrants are usually less educated, working-class people who really aren't interested in voting anyway. If Kobach wants to claim there is a rampant problem with illegal immigrants trying to vote, he has to provide some facts to back it up. I'm not aware that he has...though I admit I haven't looked very hard. Point is, burden of proof is on him.

CheneyHawk 7 years, 6 months ago

Kobach is trying to stir a pot that isn't in KS. Trying to stoke the fears of white males. Too bad he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to run on substance and real issues that face the office. The smoke and mirrors and the fear mongering is getting old.

CheneyHawk 7 years, 6 months ago

Lord help us if Brownback and Kobach are the braintrust for Kansas. Sam earned his money the old fashioned way....he married into it.

gatekeeper 7 years, 6 months ago

Kobach will be preaching at a church in Linwood on Halloween. It's going to be the scariest thing anyone could experience this Halloween.

Separation of Church and State, huh?

beatrice 7 years, 6 months ago

"socialist master plan" -- this is an example of how truly pathetic conservatives are that they believe this moronic, conspiracy theory garbage. Also, Obama wasn't Anointed, he was elected. Why do conservatives hate elections?

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 6 months ago

So we're back to calling Obama "Anointed". He was elected, Tom. Tell me, why do you hate free elections so much?

ivalueamerica 7 years, 6 months ago

I thank God every day I live in a country where the Constitution promises that I do not have to hear....

Pleeeeze chowww me your paperzzzzzzzzz

every time I turn around.

I guess the GOP does not hold the same values as I do.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 6 months ago

Are you saying that a person can register to vote in Tango Land without proving citizenship?

ivalueamerica 7 years, 6 months ago

First of all, Tango land is Argentina, not Peru. Second, I am an American Citizen and as per the laws of the US, vote in the US at the last address I resided.

As an American Citizen, when in my country, I am glad I do not have to worry about proving my citizenship at every turn like they were in NAZI Germany. A value you clearly do NOT share with me.

Already, a legal US Citizen has been deported in the frenzy.

That is a grave problem and I will fight tooth and nail to keep American from becoming a NAZI style regime where one must present papers. There are better ways to maintain law and order without sacraficing freedom and liberty and while you do NOT hold that value dear, I do.

jafs 7 years, 6 months ago

According to the story, he was detained, not deported.

And, having to prove one's citizenship in order to exercise the right of a citizen to vote is hardly the same as a Nazi regime.

james bush 7 years, 6 months ago

Will creditials be available that are printed in Spanish!?

Richard Payton 7 years, 6 months ago

Add prop B to this and you might end up with many legal voters over 18 now not able to vote!!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 6 months ago

Must be an election year, all the Republican Terrorist candidates are out kissing babies, eating apple pie, and advocating rounding up "illegal aliens" and carting them off to jail so they can squeeze a few more votes out of the unknowing and illiterate great unwashed..This is to be expected and anticipated.

JHOK32 7 years, 6 months ago

Just for once I'd like to see a Republican put his money where his mouth is. Case in point, Sam Brownback wants to be our next Governor. He is a self-described "conservative." He has done nothing but criticize President Obama's Health Care Bill. At the very same time that he is on the pulpit crying out that taxpayers should not help to pay for Health Care, he HIMSELF is cashing in on us taxpayers footing the bill for HIS & HIS FAMILY'S health care insurance! Come on Sammy, IF you really were a TRUE conservative, you and all of your other "conservative" Republicans should be giving us taxpayer's our money back! Yes, I'm tired of paying for YOUR health insurance! Instead of talking out of both sides of your mouth, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!

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