Letters to the Editor

U.S. terrorists

October 22, 2010

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To the editor:

It appears Bill O’Reilly (O’Really) of the Fox News again has put his foot in his big mouth, this time on “The View.” His latest comment was that “all terrorists are Muslims.” Bill conveniently forgot April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City. Two right-wing Christians, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 innocent people including 19 children under the age of 6, also injuring 680 people, destroying 324 buildings and doing $652 million in damages.

This act is the second largest terroristic attack in this country next to the September 11 attack! I don’t consider all right-wing Christians to be fanatical terrorists, and it is wrong also to consider all Muslims terrorists! Violent fanaticism and terrorism whether religious or political is very wrong, accomplishes nothing but alienating people and causing ignorance and hate by people like Bill O’Reilly!

Craig Tucker,

Lawrence

Comments

Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 6 months ago

I do understand the different positions people might take regarding terrorism, accountability, and Muslim terrorists. What I don't understand is why anyone would be willing to put their name on bald-faced lies to make a political point. Mr. Tucker, that is what you have done; not once, but twice.

First, Bill O'Reilly did not say, “all terrorists are Muslims.” The actual quote, was a response to Whoopie Goldberg's question, "Why is it (the Mosque) inappropriate?" O'Reilly responded, "Because Muslims killed us on 911." Later he corrected his statement to "Muslim extremists." It was at this point that the View hostesses agreed with O'Reilly. There was never a statement anything like Mr. Tucker's misquote. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25uyFw...

Second, you state McVeigh was responsible for "...destroying 324 buildings..." No, his act of terrorism did not destroy 324 buildings. It damaged 324 buildings including those that were destroyed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma...

Finally, you really need to look in the mirror. You stated that McVeigh and Nichols were right-wing Christians, yet "don’t consider all right-wing Christians to be fanatical terrorists, and it is wrong also to consider all Muslims terrorists!" Why is it then, when O'Reilly states that "Muslims killed us on 911," you rephrase it to “all terrorists are Muslims," and attribute the killing to all Muslims?

Majestic42 4 years, 6 months ago

It's mind-boggling, really. For the past 10 (ten) (TEN) years, we have been saying that Muslim EXTREMISTS killed us on September 11. I don't think there are too many idiots left out there in the mainstream who honestly believe that all muslims are evil or all terrorists are muslim. Printing this letter is silly and just serves to stoke the non-existent fires of controversy. Shame on you, LJWorld, for contributing to this bigotry.

mbulicz 4 years, 6 months ago

"I don't think there are too many idiots left out there in the mainstream who honestly believe that all muslims are evil or all terrorists are muslim."

You must not read the comments on this site.

Majestic42 4 years, 6 months ago

Then, as a conservative, I use a quote from the Incredibles: "You're not affiliated with me!"

kansastruthteller 4 years, 6 months ago

I appreciate the first poster exposing the LTE writer's lie about Mr. O'Reily's statement. Apparently the LTE author was desparate to disparage Mr. O'Reily.

The other point is that defender of Muslim terrorist often point to McVeigh in the defense of the 9/11 terrorist. The analogy doesn't work because McVeigh, while he may have been a Christian, did not attack in the name of Christianity.

The 9/11 attackers attacked us because of their faith. They did it in the name of Islam. Islam is the reason that many Muslims hate us and the reason they commit terrorist attacks against the US and other non-Muslim countries.

Everyone is entitiled to their opinion and debate on issues is good, but we are all better served when we keep lies out of the discussion. Yes, sometimes we may inadvertantly misspeak, but clearly the author of the LTE intended knew the truth, but decided it didn't fit with his agenda so he rewrote it.

ndmoderate 4 years, 6 months ago

"First, Bill O'Reilly did not say, “all terrorists are Muslims.”"

You're absolutely right. Brian Kilmeade, one of the hosts of the Fox and Friends, said that this week. Then he kinda...sorta...only to the people who may have been offended...apologized the next day. I think the LTE writer's point remains.

ndmoderate 4 years, 6 months ago

"Violent fanaticism and terrorism whether religious or political is very wrong, accomplishes nothing but alienating people and causing ignorance and hate by people like Bill O’Reilly!"

That is the point of the LTE, and remains, regardless. Just my opinion.

ndmoderate 4 years, 6 months ago

The LTE writer's only mistake was to mis-attribute a quote (mixing up what Brian Kilmeade said with what O'Reilly said); that fact does not change the conclusion, given O'Reilly's actual statement.

ndmoderate 4 years, 6 months ago

"You can keep spinning all you want." Gee, thanks for your permission.

"If, given O'Reilly's actual statement, the conclusion does not change; then, it was never a conclusion." facepalm I can see I will get nowhere with you. Have a nice day.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Speaking of terror: "Islamic extremists have started openly calling for the destruction of a controversial Muslim sect in a major escalation of sectarian conflict within British Islam, an investigation by The Independent has revealed. Members of the Ahmadiyya Community have seen a significant upsurge in threats and intimidation over the past four months, sparked by an extremist attack on two of their largest mosques in Pakistan earlier this year. Hardline Islamists in Britain have been distributing leaflets calling for the murder of AhmadiMuslims in Kingston-upon-Thames whilst mosques have been vandalised in Newham and Crawley. Preachers in south London have also been orchestrating a boycott of Ahmadi businesses and Ofcom has had to reprimand an Islamic satellite channel for repeatedly calling the sect "Wajib-ul Qatal" - an Arabic phrase used to describe those who digress from mainstream Islam that translates as "liable for death"..." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hardliners-call-for-deaths-of-surrey-muslims-2112268.html

devobrun 4 years, 6 months ago

So, I listened to the you-tube. I heard O'Reilly say that Muslims killed "us" on 9/11.
As I understand it, all members of the group that conducted the 9/11 operation were Muslim. So what O'Reilly said was correct. And the LTE misquotes him.

Next time an article comes up regarding the sad state of reporting or blogging or contentious behavior regarding public opinion, refer to this episode. O'Reilly made a statement that was demonstrably correct. It gets modified so that he can be vilified.

And the confusion of feelings for thoughts continues. Whoopie was angered by O'Reilly's comment, regardless of its veracity. Therefore his comment is "bleep". She felt bad, therefore he is wrong.

Majestic42 4 years, 6 months ago

Careful, you're using logic on the LJWorld boards. Folks around here don't go fer that too much anymore.

SnakeFist 4 years, 6 months ago

For starters, the U.S. backed the Shah of Iran (which is why the older Iranians hate us), Saddam Hussein when he fought against Iran, and the Taliban when it fought against the Soviets. The U.S. has happily supported dictators and terrorists (sorry, they're "freedom fighters" as long as we back them) whenever convenient, only to have those same people or the people they oppressed turn against us later.

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

The Saudi regime is pretty bad, and they're our allies.

Steve Clark 4 years, 6 months ago

For someone who lectures on Jesus and the Bible your glee in others downfall is so Christian. Course there was that story about throwing stones...

monkeyhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

Tom - I have a "feeling" that many who lurk on this board do not even remember a time when pc was not the order of the day. They grew up stifling themselves and their real beliefs in order not to offend anyone. We have now become a nation of wusses, as Rendell will attest to. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/10/rendell-were-a-bunch-of-wusses.html

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

I believe there were numerous problems when the Irish came to this country, many between them and the Italian immigrants.

Your statement was so broad it means nothing. But you clearly mean to blame the problems all over the world on the Muslim population, rather than the male population, the female population, etc.

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

And you're surprised that some Germans don't like the idea of multiculturalism?

Racial purity was a big thing for them, just about 60 years ago, if you remember.

ignati5 4 years, 6 months ago

Disputes like this are another example of how Americans have no education in the Classics. The statements attributed (falsely) to Bill O'Reilly that "All Muslims are Terrorists" or "All Terrorists are Muslims" are correct in neither case, but false syllogisms, which previous generations might have dismissed without comment. There IS a relationship between Islam and terrorism, but this aint it. There was once a similar relationship between Calvinism and terrorism in Europe ( read Francois Hotman). We are living in a period when it is some Muslims who are feeling their oats in this regard, and we must put them in the perspective of how all religions behave under pressure. And not tar the vast majority of law-abiding Muslims with the same brush. BG

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

Many have condemned terrorism.

And liberals don't condemn Christians - they may try to prevent some of them from blurring the lines between state and church, in order to create a "Christian nation".

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

I believe Fox just hired Williams, so he's going to be fine.

jafs 4 years, 6 months ago

If NPR fires him, and Fox hires him, the "opposition" hasn't been isolated, shut down, or destroyed. In fact, it's gotten another employee to espouse it's ideas.

I'm not saying I think it's right that he was fired for what he said.

According to a post by bozo the other day, someone who works for NPR signs a contract that promises they won't be "provocative or inflammatory" - something like that. If that's true, they may have been within their rights to fire him.

It does bring up the question of why we'd support such an organization with tax dollars, though - that's a clear restriction on their freedom of speech.

And, Totenberg clearly said some inflammatory things, and then apologized, but she wasn't fired.

scribe 4 years, 6 months ago

McVey wasn't a right wing Christian, Craig. He was a twisted person with bomb-making experience that hated the government. Were the Columbine killers also right-wing Christians, or were they Muslims? There are many types of 'terrorists' and not all fit the general mold you have tried to put them in.

mbulicz 4 years, 6 months ago

Craig,

There's plenty of factual information and logical conclusions with which you could have made your point. Instead, you must take the low road and write an attack piece using a fabricated quote.

You strike me as a college sophomore; wise enough to know how to blend in with the overwhelmingly trendy liberal culture on campus, but foolish enough to regurgitate any quote or factoid that supports your position, regardless of its validity. Hey, I heard Karl Rove eats babies - better write the Journal-World to voice my outrage! And I should use a lot of exclamation points, because that really makes my argument more valid and relevant!

Your tepid effort to grasp your subject matter shines through in your second paragraph, in which every sentence ends in an exclamation point. Your tantrum comes to a screeching crescendo; as you cannot make a logical appeal to your audience, you are only left with shrill screaming and glittering generalities directed at Bill-O.

The irony is that this response makes you exactly like O'Reilly - shrill, unsubstantiated, and inept. You have only fulfilled his description of your demographic, which is not the most flattering thing you could do to yourself. Or, as Shakespeare would say, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Stooping to Bill-O's level only allows him to beat you with experience. Start going to your Comp 101 class before publicly embarassing yourself like this again.

Kontum1972 4 years, 6 months ago

bill o'reilly said his mother was a man......thats what he said...

NoFitz 4 years, 6 months ago

I'm wondering if anti-abortion terrorists, like the ones who killed Dr. Tiller or bombed all the clinics in the late 80s and early 90s, shouldn't be sent to our gulag in Guantanamo? They could be tried by a military tribunal that disallows them the ability to see the evidence against them or present evidence in their defense.

We should probably think about busting up their training camps too. They might be hard to find though, since we call them "militias" and "patriot" groups instead of the less obvious flashing arrow with matching "terrorist training camp" sign.

Perhaps we should round up their Mullahs while we're at it? You know, the ones out there inciting the public to violence by convincing them that things like health insurance reform is the same as "the Final Solution"? Wouldn't be hard. It's not like they're in caves. I hear they all hang out on C-Street, the 700 Club, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, am radio and at Fox News these days.

If we're gonna suspend the Constitution, FISA, Habeus Corpus and Stare Decisis and call it things like "The Patriot Act" or "Citizens United," we might as well embrace an equal-opportunity despotism. We could call the round-ups "Freedom Ops," "Liberty Camps," or even "Operation: Opposite Name."

NoSpin 4 years, 6 months ago

First of all, he did not say all terrorists are Muslims. He said the terrorists of 911 were Muslim. Your next error was that OKC bombers were right wing Christians. Not really sure they went to church or their affiliation but they certainly did not commit their crime in the name of Jesus! So, does anarchist=right winger? I know a lot of them in 'Frisco so I think that was a poor deduction. By the way, your comments would fit in great with the 'Frisco crowd... just a thought.

Eileen Jones 4 years, 6 months ago

I love how O'Reilly defend Christine O'Donnell awhile back. She makes a bigger fool of herself every day, and O'Reilly looks like a doofus for having backed her.

NoSpin 4 years, 6 months ago

What does O'Donnell have to do with this article? NOTHING!

Majestic42 4 years, 6 months ago

I watched the clip of the view. I loled. Whoopi and Joy are two horrendous idiots. I don't really understand how they have any credibility left.

jack1452 4 years, 6 months ago

you know pretty much all of you guys are wrong because you keep saying "Muslim terrorists" you see those two words don't fit in the same phrase because you cant be a muslim if you are terrorist they are the opposed of each other and in the Quran this is made quite clear .If you kill an innocent soul that never harmed you or transgressed against you then its like you killed the whole world thus you are not a muslim other than than that i agree with you.

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