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Can Kansas salvage season? Fat chance

Kansas State's Jarell Childs stops Kansas running back Angus Quigley Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010 in Memorial Stadium.

Kansas State's Jarell Childs stops Kansas running back Angus Quigley Thursday, Oct. 14, 2010 in Memorial Stadium.

October 15, 2010

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KU football vs. KSU 2010

Turner Gill addresses the media after the Jayhawks were humbled by the Wildcats, 59-7.

For the past eight seasons, Kansas University had a fat football coach. This season, the Jayhawks have too many fat players. So far, given the choice, I’ll take the fat coach.

KU doesn’t look like a football team. Too many players have gained substantial weight since last season, and it’s not muscle-weight. They look so immobile. By halftime, they’re so gassed they walk into the locker room when other teams sprint.

KU doesn’t play like a football team. It doesn’t execute blocks, and players too often appear to be way out of position on defense, a contributing factor in so many missed tackles.

If it doesn’t look like a team or play like one, that raises the question: Does it prepare like one? Do the players sneer and growl through hours and hours of uncomfortable running, hitting and being hit? Are they dragged out of their comfort zones regularly in order to grow? If you have to ask ...

This is a kinder, gentler football team. There is no cursing in practice, but there no doubt was plenty in the Memorial Stadium stands, which started emptying in the second quarter of Thursday night’s 59-7 mismatch. Empty seats always speak louder and sting harder than boos.

Kickoff was at 6:40, and the game was over by 7:30, leaving the players 2 1/2 hours to visit with their girlfriends, but they didn’t. The players didn’t leave the field. They stayed and took their beating. Give them credit for that and little else.

With six minutes left in the third quarter, a woman in row 30 had seen enough and pulled out her crossword puzzle. If the answer for 2 across wasn’t “hopeless,” it should have been.

An argument could be made that this game was won when Kansas fired strength-and-conditioning coach Chris Dawson and Kansas State hired him. The Wildcats don’t have much speed, a weakness exposed by Nebraska, but their players look well conditioned. To the eye, they looked in far better shape than many KU players.

Letting Dawson go was one of the many mistakes made in the wake of Mark Mangino’s forced resignation. Bringing in an entire new coaching staff meant too much time was spent evaluating talent. Keeping one coach on each side of the ball could have put Turner Gill’s staff on a speedier learning curve in the spring. Keeping Dawson, a big believer in excessive running to train the mind and body, would have resulted in a better-looking, better-performing football team.

The Kansas coaching staff had five more days to prepare for this one than the K-State staff, and look what happened. Not good.

Look at the bright side: Kansas coaches won’t have any trouble convincing recruits they can earn immediate playing time. Gill signed a five-year, $10 million contract. At this rate, it’s worth wondering how many recruiting classes he’ll get to recruit. With a new athletic director coming in, anything is possible if the team doesn’t become more competitive. Anything.

On the sidelines, players could be seen looking into the stands waving at relatives, and that lack of focus spilled onto the football field. Kansas turned it over three times, K-State once, which makes KU minus-7 on the season in turnover margin.

“This season we’ve literally shot ourselves in the foot in every way possible,” senior co-captain/running back Angus Quigley said.

Well, not literally. That would be Plaxico Burress, and that was the thigh, not the foot. But Quigley, while making sure to voice proper respect for Kansas State, made a good point in stating that Kansas keeps beating itself. Losing by a combined score of 114-14 to Baylor and Kansas State in the past two weeks, the Jayhawks had one take-away and seven turnovers.

“I’m still here to get this thing turned around,” Gill said. “How long it’s going to be, I don’t know, but we will get this thing turned around. We have a tremendous staff, like you always hear me talk about, so we’ve got the right people here, and we will get this thing turned around. It might take a little longer than we expected, but we will get this turned around.”

Gill keeps voicing confidence in the long-range plan, but with each weak week, the words ring more hollow.

Comments

Andrew Boyd 4 years, 10 months ago

how long are we as ku fans going to put up with this b.s we had a coach that proved he could win and we had a program that proved it could win. now 2 years removed from a bcs bowl win. we are the laughing stock of the big 12. this is a absolute joke thanks Lew you did your best to screw us before you "left" on your own.

Eddie Muñoz 4 years, 10 months ago

I don't understand the hate people are showing for Coach Gill. Sure, Mangino coached KU to an Orange Bowl victory, but the year after went 7-5 (4-4) with an Insight Bowl win. Then the year after that the still Mangino coached Jayhawks went 5-7 (1-7) which looks better than it was, as the five wins were the cupcakes at the beginning of the season and the one conference win was Iowa State - a game KU almost lost.

So, really, the team has been on a pretty steep decline after the 2007 season. The Jayhawks lost a lot of good talent from that 2007 team, and even the 2008 team. To think Gill would come in here and be able to completely turn around a team like that is ridiculous.

kansasredlegs 4 years, 10 months ago

However, keep in mind that in those consecutive losses last year, except perhaps, Texas Tech, the Hawks were competitive in each of those games and with a break here or there, could have actually won. The product on the field now is less than competitive and have not been Big 12 competitive at all.

The last good-guy coach we had darn near destroyed the program. Time for more fire and less brimstone.

Mandie Eutsler 4 years, 10 months ago

Talent is not the issue. You can argue that Mangino went 2-10 in his first season but that was with Terry Allen players. If Gill had those players we'd be even worse. He's come in with new facilities, new locker rooms, state of the art weight rooms and a much larger budget. No matter what anyone thinks he should still be competitive. Lack of talent is no excuse for players being out of shape, lazy, and unorganized. He doesn't coach on the sidelines. He's a great cheerleader, but I think he needs to show a litle fire, get in the huddle, DO something! That 85 yard fumble return should have been called back because the cats had 12 men on the field. Someone on the coaching staff should have noticed and got in a zebra's ass about a missed call. Our coach didn't even stand up for our team...

kscityrobber 4 years, 10 months ago

As i have said before. be careful what you ask for. This isnt ku basketball. We cant trade mr. williams for mr. self. To all these people that cant stand people cussing at your 18-22 year old "kids" How you like your team now? And under the big guy who cares if they were on a decline. its collage football not the nfl. you are gonna have a decline. kids leave after four years some earlier. but you cant deny that the big guy brought us up from the depths of darkness. now live with your team getting one to two wins a year. hope your happy. I know I want the big guy back.

SnakeFist 4 years, 10 months ago

I agree with lynchburgsbest: Mangino proved himself capable of coaching the team to success, Gill hit bottom on his very first game and hasn't moved since. You can say that many of Magino's wins were cupcakes, but Gill can't even win those.

I'll take Mangino's temporary "decline" over Gill's permanent last-place.

Eddie Muñoz 4 years, 10 months ago

It's Gill's FIRST SEASON with what was left of Mangino's players! There's no way to know that this was a temporary decline for Mangino any more than we can know that this is always how it will be with Gill.

Mangino coached KU to a 2-8 (0-8) his first season.

You have to give a new coach time.

Eddie Muñoz 4 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, that should be "to a 2-10 (0-8) record."

Mandie Eutsler 4 years, 10 months ago

Mangino did that with terry allen players. Guys who would sleep on the sideline during games.

SnakeFist 4 years, 10 months ago

"...what was left of Mangino's players!"

I've heard that excuse: Wait until Gill is able to recruit his own players. But who will want to play for Gill after this season? "What was left of Mangino's players" may be the best players Gill will ever have.

parrothead8 4 years, 10 months ago

Think about this: KU is only a few seasons removed from going 12-1 and winning the 2008 Orange Bowl. Most programs would have been able to build upon that success, but not here. Even with that Orange Bowl victory, the players on the field this season for KU are the best the old coach could recruit. Thanks for nothing, Coach Mangino.

Bob Forer 4 years, 10 months ago

Hey, P-head, you are forgetting something. Many of Magino's recruits for this year's incoming class (including some JUCO transfers) told us "thanks, but no thanks" when they learned of Mangino's firing. If you want to blame someone for the allegedly bare cupboard, blame Perkins.

tophawk87 4 years, 10 months ago

So, you endorse mental, verbal, and even physical abuse of coaches over players? Hmmm, don't think the Board of Regents wants to go that direction. Would you endorse that with say, a male coach of the women's volleyball team? Face it, Mangino had a reputation and it was real bad, the word on the street was, "don't play at KU" and we lost our ability to recruit. Mangino left the cupboard bare... Rebuilding is a 2 to 3 year process...Mark Mangino was 2-10 here his first year.

Andrew Boyd 4 years, 10 months ago

very true but mangino did NOT have a bcs bowl to build off of. he did NOT have a multi-million dollar practice facility to recruit with. and he had far less than gill had when he showed up.

average 4 years, 10 months ago

Nor, of course, did Mangino or Allen start with a multi-million salary. We could have gotten as bad a coaching staff for under half the price and KUAC could float a couple of non-revenue sports on that much.

Eddie Muñoz 4 years, 10 months ago

To be fair, Gill doesn't have a BCS bowl to build off of either. Most of those players are gone and the Jayhawks were awful last year, too.

Andrew Boyd 4 years, 10 months ago

that was one of the happiest days of my life when Lew left early

Jeff Cuttell 4 years, 10 months ago

He did much more than that. Remember the burns on the hands of the player he caused? He made players play hurt and caused more damage.

He did cause KU to have a bad rep. Good recruits quit choosing KU because of that. That is the reason he left the cupboard bare. At the start of his stint, the rep hadn't been there yet. That earned him the Orange Bowl (that Lew bought the appearance in). After that the cat was out of the bag.

kansasredlegs 4 years, 10 months ago

Sure, but that was after Cupcake-All-Smiles-Div II-Coach-Hand-Picked-by-'ole-Roy Terry Allen when he had nothing in talent. Gill may have less but he certainly has more than Mangino had when he got here.

kujayhawk 4 years, 10 months ago

"On the sidelines, players could be seen looking into the stands waving at relatives."

This is getting worse than I ever thought possible. How does an honest and ethical man like Turner Gill cash his paycheck each month?

Kent Fisher 4 years, 10 months ago

Better question yet....how much does he tithe?

looza 4 years, 10 months ago

59-7........that's not so bad. Obama says thats a teachable moment. Class dismissed......take the coach with ya!

royalcarib 4 years, 10 months ago

Used to be Nebraska would whip us once every autumn, for 36 straight years. Mangino changed that. But now, Nebraska whips us every week, courtesy of Turner Gill.

buddy2me 4 years, 10 months ago

If my memory serves me correctly....K-State won last year with your almighty Coach Mangino here???

Justin Ahrens 4 years, 10 months ago

Not by 52 points with a team and coaching staff that gives up

danemary 4 years, 10 months ago

thank PERKINS dor our new KINDER AND GENTLER coach

lionheart72661 4 years, 10 months ago

Just remember in Mangino's 1st season at KU he lost to H-State 64-0. Bet you wanted him to leave then. I posted Manginos record with KU a couple weeks ago. Did anyone bother to read it. remember this too. Mangino had 2 way less than stellar seasons after the Orange bowl with the same team he won it with. I'll say it again, it was a fluke and so was Mangino and I am glad he is gone. Hind sight is 20/20 but I believe some of you forgot the real past.

Andrew Boyd 4 years, 10 months ago

mangino how ever did take ku to back to back bowl games two years in a row. i do not disagree it was his time to leave. i do in fact think that he had gone as far as he could as a coach at the university of Kansas. however i do not believe turner gill is the man that should have gotten the job i have said that since his name was first written by the journal world.

royalcarib 4 years, 10 months ago

No quarrel with your contention that Mangino needed to go. I can never fathom how athletes would exert themselves for a ridiculously fat man, but that's another topic. My gripe with the hiring of Gill, apart from the fact that even Nebraska passed over him, is knowing that highly qualified assistants in major-college programs with big-time recruiting contacts were available. Gill would have never talked to top-caliber players at Buffalo -- he would have known not to bother because he represented Buffalo, for God's sake. Anybody who doesn't understand that college football is all about recruiting (and school reputation) is silly to think it's all about X's and O's. True, Gill is not responsible for the current squad, but he can never recruit when taking 59-7 licks.

Sharon Roullins 4 years, 10 months ago

It doesn't bother anyone that the Mr Keegan stated that Mangino was fat? Why point out the obvious? And the players are fat? I know you are probably upset with the devastating loss but really? Wonder if that was ever pointed out when Mangino was here. Apparently you want to see Gill berate his players by cursing them out maybe take a cheap shot at them as well. Win or lose, this may be one time you may want to keep your opinions neutral.

lionheart72661 4 years, 10 months ago

Maybe. maybe not. That was probably the same thing said about Mangino his 1st year. He only won 2 game also. I am just saying give Gill a chance. See what he does next year. Everyone should know or should have known KU was not going to be good this year. All coaches cannot be a Bill Self.

Michael Capra 4 years, 10 months ago

fat mangino now thats funny as for gill what a train wreck thanks lew u screwed ku hard

emaw 4 years, 10 months ago

Mark Mangino wasn't that great, he only had 1 season with more than 8 wins. it always cracks me up listening to the KU fans who think they used to be good.

Jeff Cuttell 4 years, 10 months ago

They played and got whipped by Baylor, not Tech.

Moderateguy 4 years, 10 months ago

I'm so glad the Athletic Department raped the hill to build that football clubhouse. It's really paying dividends isn't it?

2xhawk 4 years, 10 months ago

Ditto. I've had a lot more pleasure from looking at the hill than I've had from looking at the football team in the past 35 years.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 10 months ago

There can only be so many elite teams in college football, and unfortunately for KU football fans, all of those slots are already taken, and have been for decades.

KU may occasionally have a good season, as they did under Mangino, but they'll always return to form, whether Turner Gill is the coach or not.

royalcarib 4 years, 10 months ago

You're probably right, Just Another. But I believe the issue for KU football is finding a way to regain a measure of respect. Giving up 114 points in two games, with more of the same in store, is the stuff of a laughingstock. Give me a 28-14 defeat in a 6-6 season and I won't cry too loudly.

2xhawk 4 years, 10 months ago

The stakes are a little higher now, though. If Oklahoma & Texas jump ship in the next BCS conference shuffle, we're going to get left out in the cold without a respectable f-ball team.

College sports are ridiculously inflated, but until that changes (and we shouldn't hold our breath) I'm still going to hope for KU to be competitive in the major sports.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 10 months ago

I don't think Oklahoma and Texas are going anywhere. The elite teams can't just play themselves-- they need second-tier teams to beat up on, and I think they like being the big fish in the Big 8-10-12 pond.

But it's not that much different in the Big 10 (now 12.) They have more elite teams than the local Big 12 (now 10,) but about half of the teams only occasionally compete for the championship.

average 4 years, 10 months ago

I have no problem admitting that KU will won't be an elite football team. The average 4 (okay, 5) year student might expect one 6-6 or 7-5 bowl team in his time at KU.

You should be able to find a morally upright coach to lead a bottom-of-league team for a whole, whole lot less than a multi-million-dollar contract with a whole bunch of 6-figure hangers-on, though.

puddleglum 4 years, 10 months ago

Dear Mike Leach,

please come visit us soon. bring knowledge.

Sean Livingstone 4 years, 10 months ago

Didn't know why verbal abuse is taken so badly by the players at Kansas.....

homechanger 4 years, 10 months ago

Remember Terry Allen? Nice guy, super nice to his players. His players would stand and look into the stands. Sometimes they would phone friends to discuss how bad they were getting beat. All from the sidelines. Turner gill is not prepared. His team is not prepared. He keeps telling us how great his coaching staff is. I do not see it! 80,000 per week is what he makes. Sick.

cg1029 4 years, 10 months ago

I am not a blind faith Mangino suportor as many of you seem to be, and as someone who was a student during the last year of Glen Mason and the entire Terry Alan tenure I think that comparing Gill and Mangino is very lazy reporting. Before Mangino took over there was no division 1 talent on the team, the facilities were deplorable at best, and fan support was non existant. Mangino made something out of nothing and if nothing else should recieve credit for that. (For the record I thought that it was time for a change at coach regardless of the aligations of abuse) Gill walked into a situation with a enthusiastic fan base, fantastic facilites, and atleast on paper a team that has far more Division 1 talent then the first team that Mangino coached.

emict17 4 years, 10 months ago

KU royally screwed up by allowing Sleazy-Lew to force out Mangino. Mark had an abrasive style but this is BCS football and not pee-wee league so the players needed to grow tougher skin. You reap what you sow and folks down in Manhattan are laughing. Gonna take a miracle to get the ship righted in Lawrence.

eastside 4 years, 10 months ago

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Steve Tramba 4 years, 10 months ago

Classless start to an article Keegan. Stating the obvious in a way that has NO bearing on this article whatsoever. This team was out of shape the day the S/C coach was let go? Then write about it then... don't wait for a moment to relate that to our former head man.

This team will be fine. 2012 perhaps, but fine. KU sure isn't a "turnaround" school that switches coaches & goes from 7 wins to 9 wins in those transition seasons. Sure - I'd love for them to be, but come on...

Go Jayhawks & Coach Gill!

Kontum1972 4 years, 10 months ago

maybe they should let the rugby team play kay-State...now that would of been interesting.. .. college football is a chick magnet....nothing more....

truman1902 4 years, 10 months ago

Best hit of the night came from I.Barfield--and he was slapped with a flag. D. Sands is a talented running back, but should become acquainted with gorilla glue! We actually MOVED the ball on several occasions, but lost our nerve close the goal line. QB Webb will be a better on-field captain as a result of this beatdown. He NEVER quit, but should have more weapons in the playbook (mix some crossing pattern passes into this offense). I know that these type routes leave your receivers vulnerable to hard hits as opposed to huge breakout yard gains, but McGriff, McDougald, Wilson & Mathews can get it done! DEFENSES get TIRED when forced back onto the field due to turnovers! Isaiah Barfield WAS our defense last night! Fans & Players--WALK IT OFF!! How do ya think Ga, Tech feels about NOW!

Mandie Eutsler 4 years, 10 months ago

unfortunately our offensive line can only handle draw plays and screen passes. Our QB can't throw an accurate pass any further than 15 yards. He's going to get the recievers we do have killed...

lionheart72661 4 years, 10 months ago

Pigballin, lame or not the truth is the truth. You were probably front row and center Manginos 1st year wanting him fired. When Gill starts winning games you will most likely be the first one on here to praise him. Now that is lame. :-)

Irenaku 4 years, 10 months ago

J. Kealing: Maybe it is because I am not a fan of football, but I find the headline for this story and the underlying caption offensive. Everyone knows Mangino had some serious issue with weight, but this is just low-class. Just my two cents.

Steve Tramba 4 years, 10 months ago

Agree 100%. LOW LOW LOW class move by Keegan, reality or not about a man's weight.

Doug Fisher 4 years, 10 months ago

I can't believe there are actually people still praising Gill after we just had back to back 50+ losses against lousy teams (KSU and Baylor aren't that good folks). No excuses. He's set our program back 10 years! Guess it was Perkins way of flipping us the bird by hiring this guy. And nobody in their right mind will want to recruit here under his moral correctness. No ladies after 10PM. Check! No cell phones. Check! No cursing (I would've cursed plenty last evening) Check! Sounds like a high school coach to me!

H_Lecter 4 years, 10 months ago

Lew had his red convertible Corvette out of the garage last weekend. He was dressed to match. As he drove past, I thought to myself, "Sometimes beauty isn't skin deep."

Graczyk 4 years, 10 months ago

Next stop, Hyperbole Central. Transfers to the Irrational Panic Line and the End of the World Express are available. Please mind the gap.

Shane Garrett 4 years, 10 months ago

Having to wear a purple k-state shirt today. Thanks to a silly bet. But, what is hat chant I hear? Could it be one from the days of old? Wait til basketball season! Saturdays in fall were ment to be a picnic lunch and keg party on the hill at KU anyway.

slowplay 4 years, 10 months ago

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Bud Stagg 4 years, 10 months ago

We may not have a top notch stable of players, but the ones we have are not ready for games. We still had to call a time out because we didn't have the right play on the field. This is 6 weeks in with a bye to prepare. We run about 6 plays, none of which work. Turner does not coach his kids during the game, he is not talking to anyone except on the headset. These guys need some feedback from the coach during the game. They need a little encouragement when down and they need to be chastized when stupid or lazy.

This coaching staff is not getting it done.

2002 4 years, 10 months ago

Do you all remember last year? The former coach had a team that quit on him. He was a gruff, mean embarrassment. That doesn't mean that the current coach is capable.

The KU football program is in awful shape. Based on the effort this team has shown, the coaching hire was a mistake. That doesn't mean that the player don't have some responsibility, they do.

The problem with this 'opinion' piece is that the vase majority of seemingly uninspired players were recruited by the fat coach that you mention.

pizzapete 4 years, 10 months ago

Sounds to me like we need to close off the streets next to the stadium and have a big party next to the new Oread hotel. All the people from out of town can meet there to cheer their teams on.

2xhawk 4 years, 10 months ago

Anybody else suspect that we don't really know why Mangino was fired? I've always thought the "being mean to the players" story was just a cover, and that he probably pissed off some of the rich KC alums that Lew was so beholden to. Any other conspiracy theories out there?

Mandie Eutsler 4 years, 10 months ago

Mangino refused to let anyone tell him how to run his team. He didn't let players be accessible to the media unless he wanted to. No one could tell him what to do. One player had to be a weenie and that's all AD needed. No secret that he didn't dance to anyone's fiddle. He was also an a-hole. There were lots of reasons he was fired but there's no denying he tried his best to make a respectable football program for our basketball school. He left us in a much better place but we hired the wrong coach. Every good footbal coach gets angry sometimes. I just don't like that he doesn't get all over the refs for missed calls, especially 12 men on the field that would have called back an 85 yd fumble return............ he's too nice and passive. our players are looking like they are following that leadership and lack any kind of killer instinct..........

ku_tailg8 4 years, 10 months ago

Should've hired a more experienced coach. Gary Barnett? Now we are stuck with a poser who likes to teach morals. Thats fine and all but not for D-1 football. Gill needs to be a counselor.

puddleglum 4 years, 10 months ago

all I want for christmas is a Mike Leach-hire!

Steve Bunch 4 years, 10 months ago

Fill the stadium with water and stage mock sea battles. It could be the next NASCAR.

1029 4 years, 10 months ago

Gill is an embarrassment. He needs to be fired right now so that someone who knows what he is doing can get started with rebuilding this program. Gill has absolutely no business coaching college football.

yourworstnightmare 4 years, 10 months ago

Gill is a big disappointment. KU is getting worse. The players are not prepared, and the coaching staff seems lost.

The steady confidence Gill supposedly exudes is seeming to me more and more like vacuous emptiness and lack of fire and ideas.

Winning and losing colors everything, though. Gill deserves more time, at least a few seasons with his own recruits, before final judgment is passed. However, he is off to a bad start.

When Mangino took over, he lost a lot, but at least it was obvious on the field what he wanted to do and the direction he wanted to go. The effort and motivation were also evident.

With Gill's team, there is no consistentcy, no direction, and no fire. This is very troubling for KU football.

whats_going_on 4 years, 10 months ago

haha ironically enough, I too was noticing last night that some of the players were pretty large...and not muscle large, or just big boned and toned...like...one Big Mac short of an obese BMI

kernal 4 years, 10 months ago

C'mon people. Gill took over Humpty Dumpty's mess and this is only one season. Jeesh! It's like a bunch of you throwing yourselves on the floor, with arms and legs flailing, in a temper tantrum.

Mandie Eutsler 4 years, 10 months ago

humpty dumpty left us in a much better place. say what you want about him but he did good things here. we shouldn't be this bad. I'm sick of everyone saying mangino left the cupboard bare. those people haven't been paying attention for more than 7 years. those people don't remember when sewer would drip from the pipes down onto the concession stand. They don't remember the really bad times. We should be improving but instead we are circling the porcelain.

CheneyHawk 4 years, 10 months ago

Get things turned around? Maybe turn around and head back to Buffalo.....

BruceWayne 4 years, 10 months ago

best part is the author of this article could lose 80 himself.

7texdude 4 years, 10 months ago

Forget the comparisons to Mangino. he is gone. he is not coming back no matter if we laugh or scream at the football team and each other. Forget next year and the future. I want to see how Gill regroups his team or if he can. He failed yesterday.

I don't know about fat, but the Jayhawks are slow. Very slow. Perhaps the slowest team in the country. But maybe they were going through to motions the last two games? Have they really quit on Gill already? It looks like it. I hope he can turn it around because I'd like to see KU win another game this year. Doubt it will happen, but it'd be nice if the team would even put up a fight.

4everahawk 4 years, 10 months ago

Am so sick of reading about Gill having to coach Mangino's players...........the entire lot of them are far better than anyone he will be able to recruit. How can anyone believe he and his staff will be able to get a great football team on the field? If he can't prove that he can coach an existing team that has potential under the right guidance, how in the world is he going to convince recruits that he is going to take them to greatness? That he is going to help them play for the NFL? Not going to happen. This man is out of his league and has proven that he doesn't have what it takes to coach at this level.

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