Archive for Tuesday, October 12, 2010

Statehouse Live: Brownback tries to distance himself from evangelist Lou Engle

October 12, 2010, 8:18 a.m. Updated October 12, 2010, 8:57 a.m.


— Republican gubernatorial candidate Sam Brownback is trying to distance himself from controversial evangelist Lou Engle.

"He (Engle) said a number of things that I'm troubled by," Brownback recently told the Lawrence Journal-World. "I haven't had much association with him for some period of time."

Brownback's comments were made in a quick question and answer opportunity after a news conference, and Brownback did not elaborate further.

In Tuesday's Topeka Capital-Journal, Kansas Democratic Party executive director Kenny Johnston said voters should be wary of the relationship between Engle and Brownback.

Engle, who is founder and president of The Call to Conscience, has discussed a possible national civil war to end abortion and praises politicians who denounce homosexuals.

In December, Brownback, a U.S. senator, spoke during a live video "PrayerCast" to oppose health care reform. Engle was also one of the speakers.

Engle has also been linked to efforts in Uganda for legislation that critics said would have allowed the execution of homosexuals. Engle and Brownback also shared a rented condominium for seven months in Washington D.C. after Brownback's apartment burned.

Engle has said he dreamed that Brownback would be president. Brownback ran for the Republican nomination for president in 2007 but was unsuccessful.

Brownback faces Democrat Tom Holland in the Nov. 2 election.


Machiavelli_mania 7 years, 5 months ago

Why on earth should someone who is not a Kansan influence our governor? Why is this preacher influencing Brownback and Kansas?

And there is more: Kansas Republicans Distort The Facts Of Health Care Reform The recent denouncement of 'Obamacare' by Kansas GOP candidates Sam Brownback, Jeff Colyer and Derek Schmidt is no surprise. But in their efforts to inject the health care reform fight into Kansas politics, the Republicans are feeding the public misleading and incomplete information (10/10).

And we really need to ask Brownback how that banking oversight job of his is going, now that we have already crashed !!!!! Man, he was really sleeping on the job for that one.

rbwaa 7 years, 5 months ago

Unfortunately Engle may be a Kansan since he is based in Kansas City - Kansas seems to spawn radical religious zealots like Engle and Phelps much to our shame - oh, and I believe Brownback is included as one of those zealots.

jesse499 7 years, 5 months ago

Last time I checked Brownback is not our Governor yet and hopefully won't be but the healthcare bill the way it is written now will break us all.

Grundoon Luna 7 years, 5 months ago

Why don't you contact our Insurance Commissioner, Sandy Praeger. She a republican and says a lot of good things about the health careplan. She said in the interview I Heard that there is a lot of good in the plan and encouraged citizens to really check it out and they will find the same. I think she is far more knowledgable on the subject that you since she is privy to far more than just talking points.

It is not reasonable to think that this will break our country when similar plans all over the world have not levelled their economies.

avoice 7 years, 5 months ago

While there is plenty for which to legitimately criticize Sam Brownback, this "association" is no more condemning than the association of President Obama with the minister of the church he attended for many years. Tit for tat? How about we, the people, stop stirring up the drama over these "associations" because whenever it comes out against our candidate of choice, we view it a lot differently than when it comes out against the opposition candidate. Instead, lets grow up and state emphatically that we want to deal with real issues, not hearsay and gossip, no matter who the candidate is.

estaban_Blanco 7 years, 5 months ago

Thought provoking questions. Hopefully they will be considered by the voters. And great zinger on the banking oversight job!

wmathews 7 years, 5 months ago

Scott is working on an update for this story that should post soon, so keep checking back.

1983Hawk 7 years, 5 months ago

Still waiting on the update, Whitney. Any idea as to what is taking so long? Someone not calling him back to confirm a fact, or has the idea of an update been pulled by our boy, Dolph?

robinhoodlum 7 years, 5 months ago

Not to worry. Shewmon is commenting for his own amusement. He is really a moderate and in some cases a liberal in disguise. Neo-cons are not very good at camouflage.

bd 7 years, 5 months ago

Get a clue libs! Your boy Holland does not stand a chance!

Tea anyone???

somedude20 7 years, 5 months ago

Yes in fact tea does sound good. I think I will go to the House of Cha (on 9th st next to Wheatfields) for a great cup of tea (sans bag of course)

Stay thirsty my friends!

robinhoodlum 7 years, 5 months ago

Tea bagger is a better name as a description than tea party.

estaban_Blanco 7 years, 5 months ago

You nailed it MM...tea is great to drink and great for health. Screw 'em for misappropriating the word.

nobody1793 7 years, 5 months ago

I question Brownback's relationship with peanut butter.

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 5 months ago

The connection of Brownback and other GOP legislators to the Ugandan anti-gay movement is one of the most troubling things I have read about recently.

There are clear ties between Engle and thus Brownback and the movement in Uganda to criminalize homosexuality and to make some "gay" offenses punishable by death.


Joe Blackford II 7 years, 5 months ago

The Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread, Brownback, told the crowd "Goodness leads to greatness." and then passed out sardines & Boy Wonder Bread to all who would vote for him!

Brownback's Road Map for Kansas

Step 1: Always mount your dinosaur from the Right side before taking your blinders off.

Olympics 7 years, 5 months ago

This story is #32 on the list of reasons why Brownback shouldn't be in elective office.

And Tom since you love living in a fact based reality (HUGE eyeroll)...this one's for you.

The median age of FOX News viewers is over 65. The average age of conservative talk radio listeners is 67.

Let me guess, you're wearing an onion on your belt?

overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

I guess you never read the whole sermon that was clipped up for the smear on Rev. Wright?

Figures. Truth just doesn't fit the agenda, does it?

Steve Jacob 7 years, 5 months ago

I think homosexuality is a tough issue for the Republican Party. More and more people have gay family members, they last thing they want is to offend other republicans.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 5 months ago

One wonders if the GOP realizes how closely it resembles Serbia. Ethnic cleansing and genocide for all, yo.

overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

Its only tough because they make it so. It was not a big issue till they decided to add it to their culture war smoke screens.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 5 months ago

Oh God no, MM. We'd have 40-11 Sarah Palin's running around decimating the moose population! Poor Bullwinkle would have to head for the hills. Then again the GOP does sound like a Fractured Fairy Tale (pun intended).

james bush 7 years, 5 months ago

Newspaper people are closet homosexuals.

vermont 7 years, 5 months ago

Sam Brownback is great at being a politician but he is CRAZY!! He will destroy the state of Kansas. Vote for anybody else, please.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

I'm more concerned with reckless republican economics that has been demonstrated under Reagan/Bush and Bush Cheney. The pattern has been established. Both administrations wrecked our economy taking retirement plans,millions upon million of jobs and medical insurance down the tubes as a result.

Not only that the bail out money provided to reckless and perhaps criminal executives truly stinks. Additionally Bush/Cheney and Henry Paulson lied to the nation about how many financial institutions were in fact going under.

Where were Jerry Moran and Sam Brownback and what in the world were they doing?

Why did they not sound any alarms?

With republicans it appears that republican party politics is far more important than the nations economy,millions of jobs,retirement plans and medical insurance.

This is what I mean:

  1. The Reagan/ Bush Savings and Loan Heist "There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and were part of the Bush Jr. administration.

Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this was about one quarter of our national debt").

The Reagan/Bush savings and loan heist was considered the largest theft in history at the time.

George Herbert Walker Bush then took $1.4 trillion of taxpayers money to cover the theft.

  1. The Bush/Cheney Wall Street Bank Fraud on Consumers Yes, substantial fraud was involved. For example, mortgage companies and banks used deceit to get people to take on mortgages when there was no possibility that the borrowers would be able to meet the payments. Not only was this fraud, but this fraud depended on government authorities ignoring their regulatory responsibilities."

  2. Only 3 major Financial Institutions were at risk in spite of what we’re told ? "There were just a handful of institutions that were terribly weakened. AIG the insurer, Bank of America and Citigroup, Those three were clearly in very weakened form. Many of the other big banks simply were not.

  3. Privatizing Social Security Would Place the Nations Economy at Risk "Social Security privatization will raise the size of the government's deficit to nearly $700 billion per year for the next 20 years, almost tripling the size of the national debt.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 5 months ago

Woo hoo! Haven't seen that set of links in at least a day.

ivalueamerica 7 years, 5 months ago

Tom, I find Merril to be little different from you. His mantra is equal and opposite to yours, with one major exception.

He documents his claims, you just lie.

I agree with Merrill about 80% of the time, you about 1%, but consider neither of you respectable members of the debate. Him for his spam like qualities and you for your dishonesty.

However, at the end of the day, dishonesty trumps it, you offer less of value to the community than anyone else.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 5 months ago

Okay, let's go with Rove and how he's whining that the Dems are using his own tactics on him. "MA!!! THEY HIT ME BACK!!" whimper

overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

Its called history. Which we are bound to repeat if we don't understand it. Do you want to forget everything in the last 20-30 years? or just rewrite it to suit you script. Oh...I forgot, Fox "News" does that for you so you don't even have to think about it. Which obviously works for ya.

Rex Russell 7 years, 5 months ago

Well Tom, I'm not sure EVERYONE on this board isn't a "far-left zealot" in comparison to you. You are so much a characature of a far-right zealot that I'm not sure you are real or just playing the part for fun. So, just for fun, give me a run-down of your ideology. A Tom Shewmon manifesto if you will. That way I can judge how much of a "moderate" you are.

repaste 7 years, 5 months ago

"little buddy" was one of Tommy's favorite smug put downs, Does Tom talk to himself now?

overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

funny, I thought the 'core' bunch was the head in the sand guys you seem to agree with. people who gleefully admit that their only news source is fox, people who see anyone to you left as 'loony' (insulting) and 'far-left zealots' (ridiculous assumption by any standard)

eyeye 7 years, 5 months ago

Looks to me like a little in-fighting within Subsidy-Sam's SaintCo division.

I'll bet the Kansas Chamber still has plenty of Engle-$ympathizer$$$ waiting in the wings for the Office of the Grand Repealer to smooth the way for their "Faith"-Ba$$$$$ed Initiative$$$$$.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

If republicans are going to destroy the economy thus jobs,retirement plans and medical insurance why elect them to office.

This group of people somehow create "boom town economics" which is super inflation and simply cannot be sustained. There is plenty USA history to document such. Consumers one day should realize buying real estate during "boom town economics" is nothing but risky. It has got to be devastating to discover that a house becomes worth less, suddenly, than one owes on a mortgage.

Then again buying a house today could be plenty risky as well. Yes it could be worth less in week than it was today. According to radio news this real estate crisis is a long long way from over. There is rumor of a local homeowner who quit making mortgage payments 5 years ago and is still living at the residence... likely with legal representation.

Kansas City Metro has 10,000 homes on the market according to KCMO news last night. which should indicate a buyers market....contingent of course on price.

All of the above has direct connections to the republican party TWICE since 1980. Why do they get away? Where are the indictments and prosecutions? Why are they still being elected to office?

ivalueamerica 7 years, 5 months ago

In 1935 Lewis Sinclair said this:

When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.

As if he knew Brownback.

overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

And Palin...and the whole beserkistan army she's herding.

overthemoon 7 years, 5 months ago

No. Because they only happened in your head. And try as they may, anyone left of your far right just simply can not hold a candle to the crazy, lying, misinformed lunacy that is representing the conservative parties this year.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 5 months ago

I guess in the meantime we'll sweep ol' Joe McCarthy under the rug.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 5 months ago

Because some candidates do not or cannot roll out expensive special interest funded campaigns voters refuse to vote in the best candidate.

This is true across the board at local,state and obviously at the national level. We need to vote in tons of new democrats and green party thinkers in order to save the economy and produce new USA jobs.

Republicans are simply too dangerous to place them in charge of our economy,OUR MONEY,creating new USA jobs and to bring on the best affordable medical insurance. Reagan/Bush,Bush/Quale and Bush/Cheney who represent the republican party have proven all of the above to be true. All have played a role in destroying economies,jobs,retirement plans and are huge players in supporting the medical insurance industry as this industry robs us blind.

As we speak the repub party is out spending most all others. Big spenders usually indicate which candidates special interest corrupt corporate america want in office. Big spending is certainly no indication of a qualified candidate necessarily.

When did Sam Brownback or Jerry Moran come out and warn us that their party was busy wrecking our economy and sending 11 million workers to unemployment benefits?

Flap Doodle 7 years, 5 months ago

This comment pre-removed for what was thought to be excessive mocking.

ivalueamerica 7 years, 5 months ago

I heard that Brownback is also trying to distance himself from Tom Shewmon.

Cait McKnelly 7 years, 5 months ago

Lowers the boom? You really DO hate the Constitution, don't you?

vermont 7 years, 5 months ago

again, please do not vote for Sam Brownback.

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 5 months ago

Brownback's links to Engle are troubling, as Engle is very extreme. His activities in Uganda, supporting a law that would make homosexuality illegal, with some "offenses" punishable by death, are shameful and very dangerous.

Brownback should explain thoroughly his cozy ties to Engle and to the Ugandan movement to target homosexuals with threats of imprisonment and death.

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