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Em-Bear-rassing: Jayhawks routed, taunted in Waco

Kansas players, including Steven Johnson (52), Chris Harris (16), Prinz Kande (4), Lubbock Smith (1) and Corrigan Powell (10) wait out the final possession of the Jayhawks' 55-7 loss to Baylor Saturday, Oct. 2, 2010 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco.

Kansas players, including Steven Johnson (52), Chris Harris (16), Prinz Kande (4), Lubbock Smith (1) and Corrigan Powell (10) wait out the final possession of the Jayhawks' 55-7 loss to Baylor Saturday, Oct. 2, 2010 at Floyd Casey Stadium in Waco.

October 3, 2010


Baylor defeats KU, 55-7

Baylor dismantled Kansas, 55-7, Saturday, October 2, 2010 in Waco, Texas.

— If it were a high school game, it would’ve been one of those in which the coaches agreed at halftime to play the final two quarters with a running clock.

That fact was not lost on the Baylor fans, who, near the end of Saturday’s 55-7 beating of Kansas University, chanted “Kansas high school” at the Jayhawks on the sideline.

Harsh? Maybe. Accurate? It was Saturday.

“Yeah, I heard ’em,” said KU sophomore receiver D.J. Beshears, who finished with 137 total yards. “Man. I just come out here to play and win games. I don’t really pay attention to it.”

Of all the wild and brutal things that unfolded during Saturday’s game, what spoke loudest were Baylor’s offensive totals. During four long quarters on a sunny Saturday in central Texas, the Bears racked up 678 yards of total offense — 434 passing and 244 rushing — marking the fifth-most by a Kansas opponent in school history and the most since Auburn gained 680 yards in 1988.

In the first half alone, Baylor scored touchdowns on drives of 90, 94 and 97 yards — one of them a one-play pitch-and-catch from Robert Griffin III to Josh Gordon. By the time he went to the sideline midway through the fourth quarter, Griffin had tallied 434 total yards and three touchdowns — both career highs — on 26-of-36 passing. The stat that best sums up just how effective Griffin was on Saturday? He was 10 yards shy of his career high in passing yards … by halftime.

“He executed their offense,” KU coach Turner Gill said of Griffin. “He did what he was supposed to do. He kept moving the chains, made the big plays when they had to (have) them, made the throws he had to make, ran the ball when he had to, kept their offense in rhythm and kept us out of rhythm.”

And he did it all day.

Even when it looked as if Baylor was content to run out the clock on the first half and take a 24-7 lead into halftime, Griffin and the Bears moved into scoring position, and Aaron Jones drilled a 50-yard field goal as time expired.

That scoring drive was kept alive by an eight-yard run on third-and-seven by sophomore halfback Jarred Salubi. Salubi first was hit after three yards, encountered a trio of KU tacklers after five, yet still found the fight to power forward for three more yards and the first down.

Yep, it was almost as if the Bears couldn’t help but score.

That the Kansas defense played passively for most of the afternoon only helped Baylor’s march into history. The 678 yards surpassed a BU school record. The 55 points were Baylor’s most ever in a Big 12 game. And the 48-point margin of victory also was a Big 12-best for the Bears.

“We were always a step too slow on a lot of things on offense and defense,” Gill said. “You gotta get lined up right so you can get yourself in the right position. And then when you are lined up right, you gotta make a play. We just weren’t quite in sync, and they were.”

While the Bears effortlessly moved up and down the field, the Jayhawks struggled. KU quarterback Jordan Webb faced constant pressure and, even when he did have time to throw, was off target or trying to force things.

“This was probably the one game he didn’t quite play as well as far as some reads and some different things, but there were some other people who didn’t play well, either, too,” Gill said.

Added Webb: “There were times I just got out of the system a little bit and tried to do too much. I’m a competitor, and it’s hard sometimes, but I just gotta stay within the system and take what they give us.”

When Webb was able to move the Jayhawks down the field — like he was on the seven-play, 70-yard drive that ended with a TD pass to Daymond Patterson and kept KU close at 17-7 — the offense often had trouble finishing its drives.

Webb threw two interceptions — one was returned for a touchdown and came just 12 seconds after a previous Baylor TD made it 41-7 — and KU fumbled twice, one coming from Webb.

“There’s no way you’re going to be able to stay in the ballgame, playing like that and turning the ball over,” Patterson said.

It wasn’t just the highly visible mistakes that cost the Jayhawks in this one. Several false-start penalties killed their offensive flow. A couple of holding calls backed them into third-and-long situations, and a frustration personal foul from Jake Laptad and missed field goal by Jacob Branstetter added to the misery. KU even suffered a false start by Bradley Dedeaux on the game’s final play, a meaningless snap with 24 seconds remaining in which all KU had to do was snap the ball and end the game.

On the flip side, back-to-back holding calls on Baylor during a third-quarter scoring drive still resulted in first downs for the Bears.

“I just think they played better than we did, and we got outcoached,” Gill said. “I’m disappointed. It obviously wasn’t a very good job by us as a coaching staff, and Baylor played an outstanding football game. We just couldn’t ever get anything going.”

Senior safety Olaitan Oguntodu, who finished with a career-high 10 tackles, went one step farther than disappointing.

“Overall, it was an embarrassing game,” he said. “Just embarrassing all the way around.”


Maddy Griffin 7 years, 6 months ago

55-7? Really? This is why I don't watch KU football. Bring on basketball season! Rock Chalk!

Mike Gammill 7 years, 6 months ago

I grew up in Lawrence and lived there for 30 years. It really bothered me that the football program is nothing more than something to do until basketball starts. In all reality, why doesn't KU drop football, sink the expenses of the program into basketball, go independent, and keep the revenue? Every new coach who takes the KU job, goes there thinking that they will make a difference. They too, find out after a few seasons that it is a basketball school, and the commitment toward football is only words. If we have a good football team once in a while, that's great. If not, get a new coach and new uniforms. I suppose our shining moment for this year will be the GT victory.

Matt Bowers 7 years, 6 months ago

The beating KU took on the field was a lot harsher than chants in a practically empty stadium. I'm really hoping that Gill is able to get this turned around when it is his guys. His approach to coaching and morality are commendable, but I'm not so sure it has a spot in the Big 12. Not cursing and taking the names off the jersey's isn't preparing these guys to be studs in the Big 12 or the NFL. It just isn't reality. You've got to have attitude, swagger, and presence on the field. Like I said, I really hope Gill gets it turned around.

Rock Chalk

Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 6 months ago

kustrong, I agree with you on one account. Taking the names off the jerseys makes them look different in a league where this has become pretty standard proceedure. I think they look silly with that jayhawk logo in place of the names of the players that are there on all the other teams in the league. I have serious problems with coach Gill. He was a very talented player, but I think his skills as a field general do not translate very well to being the head coach. I agree he needs more time to develop a team strategy, but many more disasters like the one in Waco this weekend will really damage any hopes that KU has to compete in the powerful league that is the Big 12 (-2).

TLR 7 years, 6 months ago

I went to the game being a avid Jayhawk fan and alum. I expected too loose (which says a lot in itself) but not be embarrassed. This was a total embarrassment which could have been a more lopsided score.

Sayiing KU was outcoached is an understatement. Perkins' infatuation (sic) with Gill, who was not successful at Buffalo, is going to set KU's football program back 10 years to pre Mangino days. It's no wonder that all conferences ran away from Kansas during realignment discussions even though they have a storied basketball program. I seriously doubt that KU will win another game this year. Not a pretty picture. Gill and Long aren't ready for major level college football.

drnater 7 years, 6 months ago

Im not quite sure why you chunked Long into this, since he has already proven that if you put talent around him he can make things happen. Considering he was the O-Coordinator at OU when they won the Rose Bowl in 02, and then set the record in the Big 12 for most points averaged in a season at 51.5 ppg. Out of his 6 seasons as an assistant, 4 of which he was O-Coordinator, they went 67-11. Also was a finalist for top assistant coach in the nation. However, hes not ready for a KU, a major level college.... please, actually know what your talking about before you make accusations.

kujayhawk7476 7 years, 6 months ago

It was the best of games and the worst of games. A tale of two programs; one with talent and well coached, and the other with not near enough of either. Seriously, it is best to just support our team and coaches while waiting to see how progress is made in 2011 or 2012.

newmedia 7 years, 6 months ago

Chin's up Jayhawk fans. There is always hope the new AD has a little bit of a football background and will bring a new broom with him. Besides, Late Night is less than 2 weeks away. The glass is half full!

Rock Chalk

Denny2009 7 years, 6 months ago

Terrible game, poorly executed in all aspects. Gill looks like he belongs back in the Mid-American Conference, I'm afraid hes in over his head trying to compete in the Big 12. You can now see why Mangino had to be tough...55-7 loses are not O.K., just embarassing. Hopefully this gets turned around by the K-State game or else we're in for a treat on national television.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 6 months ago

What happened to all the hotshots on the KU team? Spanked and sent home, it appears.

whats_going_on 7 years, 6 months ago

yes, because firing and bringing in a coach mid season is going to turn us right around and we're going to win it all. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

monkeyspunk 7 years, 6 months ago

Lame lame lame. How many games did Mangina win in the first season? How many conference games?

You are fool who knows nothing of football let alone sports in general.

purplesage 7 years, 6 months ago

Bowl-eligible? Isn't that the question the LJW put on the streets yesterday? Got your answer yet?

brewmaster 7 years, 6 months ago

If KU wants a winning football team then they need to do the same thing that the other "successful" programs do and recruit more convicts, felons and thugs.

brewmaster 7 years, 6 months ago

What's wrong BABBOY? Did that hit close to home? Sometimes the truth hurts doesn't it?

Matthew Herbert 7 years, 6 months ago

or quit firing their coaches that win. I'm sorry that Mangino made some lazy player run a few laps or do some extra push-ups. At the end of the day, whatever he was doing brought out the best performance possible from his players.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 7 years, 6 months ago

I would remind you that Mangino was offensive coordinator at OU in 2000 when Bobby Stoops crew won the national championship. Nice guys finish last. This is football and crybaby players and their namby pamby parents need to go play for some girl's school. Life is tough, and winners and Marines do not come from the ranks of candy-ass losers.

Clara Westphal 7 years, 6 months ago

It was embarrassing and painful to watch but no team deserves to be taunted.

Put the names back on the jerseys and put a big Jayhawk on the helmet. Then teach them how to tackle, not grab at the opponents. Get the football throwing machine out and have them practice catching passes. Something is amiss here.

Gill needs to show a little emotion not just stand there with his arms folded across his chest.

I have been a Jayhawk for several decades and I can't remember a more poor exhibition of playing football.

Heads up guys and keep after it. There has to be a win somewhere down the road.

Rock Chalk.

drnater 7 years, 6 months ago

I can, 2 years ago, when we played Texas Tech. Texas Tech!!!! What was that score? 77-22? That was the year after we won the Orange Bowl and were suppose to have a small dropoff but still be in a big bowl. Yet, I dont remember people asking for Mangino's head as much as they are now for Gill during his 1st season. I mean come on he's already tied Manginos 1st year win total, and he's still got 7-8 games left, with the lesser of the South. However, dont overlook Baylor. They are a very good team, and i expect them only to lose 2-3 games this season. If they do that, then will everyone be calling it as embarrassing then?

Thats_messed_up 7 years, 6 months ago

Turner will sing this song at the end of each practice this week: Oh you better watch out-you better not cry-better not pout- I'm telling you why: Dan-iel Thomas is com-ing to town!

yourworstnightmare 7 years, 6 months ago

I find it amusing that Gill stressed that his defense has played well this year, after just giving up 55 points to Baylor. BAYLOR!. We're not talking OU or Texas or Nebraska, here. This was Baylor.

Gill is in his first year and obviously should be given more time. However, when Kansas hung 70+ on Nebraska three years ago, this spelled the end for Callahan. In this case, KU went on to win the Orange Bowl, but Callahan had been given three years at this point.

Gill needs to be given more time.

mcontrary 7 years, 6 months ago

The new AD's first job will hopefully be to find a new football coach. This performance should be adequate to show that the current coach is not competent to be coaching a Big Twelve team. The problem with Mark Mangino was what?

drnater 7 years, 6 months ago

How about 5-7 last year (1-7) in conference, 8-5 2 years ago (4-4) in conference. These were suppose to be his best two teams, with most of the returning offensive starters suppose to usher KU into the national spotlight. The problem is, he ushered us into the spotlight, and instead of taking off, we started a slow decline. You could call this the bottoming out of the Mangino Era. Anyone with any sort of common knowledge of college sports, knows that you cant judge a coach by his first year. So obviously we have a lot of misinformed, not very knowledgeable fans, and its really a shame. These boys deserve a group of real fans, not a bunch of bandwagoners.

frank mcguinness 7 years, 6 months ago

I wonder if coach Leach would enjoy Lawrence. I'd like to have him here. I'd support him even after all the b.s. from tech.

yankeevet 7 years, 6 months ago

Yes; looks like the Jayhawsk got their tailfeathers plucked.................look out here comes K-State................

monkeyspunk 7 years, 6 months ago

Stupid comment. Check Mangina's first year record and see if you can think of any more "clever" remarks.

nobody1793 7 years, 6 months ago

This has nothing to do with Mangino, Lew, "thug" players, or anything else.

The current coaching staff is supposed to: 1) Make sure the players have sound fundamentals: blocking and tackling 2) Make sure the players know what they are supposed to do on every play 3) Inspire the players to play as hard as they can.

I saw: 1) Sloppy tackling and missed blocks 2) Confusion and blown coverages 3) Some players giving up on plays.

If KU goes 0-12 but plays good fundamental football and just gets beat by better athletes, then fine. But when you get blown out by teams of comparable talent, there is a problem. Maybe this off-season Gill can get things turned around, but we will see.

drnater 7 years, 6 months ago

So if it has nothing to do with Mangino, then what was the excuse for us going 5-7, and losing 7 in a row last year? I would not say Baylor had comparable talent either. They were bigger, faster, and looked more athletic than us. Am I the only one who saw this yesterday?

nobody1793 7 years, 6 months ago

I never said I thought Mangino was a great coach and am not making excuses for him. I'm not even thinking about him. I'm not comparing us to last year... that's ancient history in my book.

I still contend that our players are not playing up to their potential as a team, which is the job of a coaching staff.

laughingatallofu 7 years, 6 months ago

What concerns me is that the coach admitted that he got "outcoached". I can understand losing to a more talented football team, and I understand that Turner doesn't have "his" players and that the players have to adapt to a new system of doing things. But when the coach admits that he got "outcoached" that doesn't instill confidence in those you're trying to coach. Now, coaches often say that they were outcoached, but usually that's a compliment to the other team in playing a well-executed game. In case, I think Turner was being brutally honest. His record at Buffalo and this admission sends alarm bells ringing in my head.

ralphralph 7 years, 6 months ago

Psst! Here's a secret: The KU Glory Days were pretend.

Mangino pulled a fast one: cupcake non-conference + no South powers on the conference schedule + an East Coast team in the big time bowl = Imaginary Success.

People seem made that "it didn't last". Truth is, it never even existed.

kujayhawk 7 years, 6 months ago

I really hope you aren't a ksu fan. The irony is classic if you are.

ihatelv 7 years, 6 months ago

Finally! Someone else sees this for what it really is...........

MustHaveSalt 7 years, 6 months ago

If you are one of Gill's verbal commitments for next year, do you think, "I can play right away!" or "Do I really want to go there?"

Larry McGlinn 7 years, 6 months ago

Meek football coaches with meek football players may inherit the earth but, they sure will never inherit any wins on the field. It is time for someone, coaching staff or players, to start showing some emotion on the KU football team!!!! The picture taken on the sidelines Saturday is of a bunch of players that are completely defeated and demoralized. The picture of Turner Gill and Webb, it is hard to tell which of the two had the most confused look on their face. A coaching staff has to inspire their players to feel that any defeat, whether by 55 points or 1 point, is totally unacceptable . There is not one sign of any inspiration from this coaching staff, there is no sign, what so ever, of any emotion - it is time for accountability. Get names back on those jerseys, start holding each and every player responsible for their assignments on every play in the game. What exists now is totally and completely unacceptable.

bearfan 7 years, 6 months ago

I am a Baylor fan and sit on the visitor side. If students were chanting, it was not very loud as I stayed to the end of the game and did not hear any chanting. I apologize on behalf of the Bears and their fans. Baylor has endured many of those days of being belittled by the "big" power schools and I've heard many of similar comments. KU fans are first class and we appreciate having you in our house. I look forward to seeing the Bears and Jayhawks play basketball on a Monday night here in Waco.

Gregory Newman 7 years, 6 months ago

You bloggers are as blind as all blankity blank. The hawks are slow the name of the game is speed. No man can coach against speed and that includes all of you guys. It's obvious not one of you guys has coached a down of football in your life and it's real obvious that none of you have played. They are SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW PERIOD

CHEEZIT 7 years, 6 months ago


toto22 7 years, 6 months ago

I can't understand how we can beat the smack out of NMSU, beat Georgia Tech, loose a competitive game to So. Miss on the road but get blown out by a Baylor team which I think we are about even??? I can understand loosing but this was Baylor. Maybe the taunting by the fans was deserved. As much as I think Gil was the wrong hire, we cannot fire him in the middle of the year and absorb his contract. What we need to worry about is make sure we get a good AD after lameduck Perkins is gone this year. The fool unfortunately mortgaged KU to fork over $10 million over 5 years. I am sure the AD will probably give Turner 1 year 2 at the most to right the ship and if no results buy out his last 2 years. Until then I will keep the antacid nearby on game day.

Jeff Kilgore 7 years, 6 months ago

Coming in, no one would have thought that this year's team would have been very good. It must be remembered that this team finished 0-7 last year. It wouldn't make much difference who coached these kids. I'm sorry. They're just not very good. Say all you want about the 2008 Orange Bowl, (which now seems like a decade ago), this isn't that team. At all. We are young, and our experienced players wouldn't play for another team in the Big XII. Baylor's 300+ line is the rule in the Big XII. I'm pretty sure Washburn and Emporia State have 300 pound linemen.

Of course, it's too early to judge Gill, even if we lose the rest of our games, which looks like a certainty now. We'll know mid 2011 if things are coming together. When was the last time KU had a defensive lineman who made two outstanding plays in a game? Our middlebacker is good. I'm leaving him out of the "not very good" conversation.

It's going to be a long year. I guess if we've learned anything it's this: a loss against a foe from a lower division is much more telling than a win against an overly-hyped opponent.

If Vegas hasn't figure out this team yet, you know where to place your money.

HawkNVegas 7 years, 6 months ago

Shotgun Runs will get you nothing but a defense who expects a Run from Shotgun every time there after.

Kansas Football Players, I don't know if you know this, but you ARE NOT PEYTON MANNING AND THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS. If you can't run the ball, running out of Shotgun won't be any easier.

All it says is what class?????????? Hmmmmm.


Keep it up! Rock Chalk Jayhawk, GO KU, not football cuz they look like they don't care so I won't, Rock Chalk Jayhawk GO KU teams that are worthy of praise. If you don't care, I sure won't.

Kookamooka 7 years, 6 months ago

My brother in law is a full time trainer (not coach) of a State winning high school football team in TX. They play at the college level in high school.They also push their sons into football way too early. My nephew has been playing organized ball in TX since he was 4 years old. He's the quarterback of his Middle School team and just had a major injury. He's been in rehab for months. He wants to quit but his daddy won't let him. He's rather see him become paralyzed than not play football in TX. All of their best high school players are recruited to play at TX Universities on full rides. Unless the state of Kansas diverts millions of dollars from education to sports, we can't have that system here. Nor should we want it. I hope they get sick of winning and realize that they aren't really having any fun.

Stuart Evans 7 years, 6 months ago

Texas, like a whole other country. Afghanistan perhaps. Religion and Warriors...

Stuart Evans 7 years, 6 months ago

and I had to hear about it first from a Nebraska fan, working at the Spam museum, in Minnesota. How embarrassing.. if you care about this sort of thing. He seemed to think that I would.

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