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Letters to the Editor

Voter ID

November 12, 2010

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To the editor:

I greatly appreciated your editorial about Secretary of State-elect Kris Kobach's plan to impose a photo ID requirement on voting. Your suggestion that he make a real study of the "voter fraud" problem before radically changing our political process is eminently sensible. If he really thought there were a real voter fraud problem, he would want to have the evidence such a study could show.

However, I'm afraid a real study of the "problem" is the last thing he wants. The matter has been studied before, and Kobach knows there is no real voter fraud problem in Kansas. He wants to impose the photo ID requirement for other reasons -- reasons that he can't gracefully reveal.

I think you put your finger on the real reason: He wants to discourage people from voting. He apparently believes, probably correctly, that a majority of the legitimate voters discouraged by the requirement would vote for Democrats if allowed to vote.

I'm sure no legislator will be fooled by the fraud claim, but I'm afraid some would vote for the requirement anyway, to keep down the democratic vote. Let's hope there are enough legislators who take their oaths seriously who will vote to thwart Kobach's scheme. After all, the Republicans can now gerrymander the state to severely limit Democrats' chances for election anyway. Do they need this photo ID overkill?

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Ron Holzwarth 3 years, 5 months ago

Zeigen Sie mir Ihre Papiere, bitte!

German for "Show me your papers, please!" That was heard quite often in Nazi Germany in the 1930s and the first half of the 1940s. I hope we don't hear it very often here in the USA, especially when voting.

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Fatty_McButterpants 3 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, but the Supreme Court has already upheld state laws requiring people to show a photo ID in order to vote. Whiners. The case is Crawford v. Marion County Election Board, 128 S.Ct. 1610 (2008).

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repaste 3 years, 5 months ago

A voter id law would have to end mail in ballots. There is no way to prove a valid vote. Anyone remember a cnn blurb couple of election cycles ago where an officer was waving around a fistfull of ballots claiming, "I made my men fill them out, if they did not, I did it for them"

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Roland Gunslinger 3 years, 5 months ago

ID requirements are inherently based on the theory that you are not who you say you are, and so are very much guilty-must-be-proven-innocent.

And here I thought we were a nation based on innocent until proven guilty.

Here's some more evidence that voter ID laws may very well suppress voter turnout (and those voters tend to be minorities): http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/research/Voter_ID_APSA.pdf "Our results clearly suggest that voting laws which require specific or multiple forms of identification will disproportionately impact racial and ethnic minorities, immigrant populations, and those with lower incomes."

Statistical probabilities- http://jkatz.caltech.edu/research/files/wp1267R.pdf

"The evidence provided here suggests that voter identification laws (both VoterID and PhotoID laws) have relatively small effects on voter turnout. It does appear, however, that the route by which these voter identification laws affect turnout may go through minority groups and the poor. I find some evidence that VoterID laws may decrease the turnout of Latino populations, and PhotoID laws may affect African American populations similarly. The evidence also indicates that VoterID laws may also widen the income gap associated with voter turnout." http://myweb.fsu.edu/bgomez/Gomez_VoterID_2008.pdf

"In sum, the immense literature on the costs of voting has shown that costs ranging from the registration requirement to strict voter-ID laws do reduce voter turnout to some degree and that the impact seems to fall disproportionately on the least educated and the least wealthy." http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/shared-blogs/austin/investigative/upload/2009/03/voter_id_will_the_law_suppress_voter_turnout/Hershey2009.pdf

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Mr_B9 3 years, 5 months ago

Folks, I do not believe voting is a constitutional right.

The Right To Vote

The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.

Who knew?

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camper 3 years, 5 months ago

Is Kobach interested in looking into the robo calls that told voters to be sure to come out and vote on Wednesday, the wrong day?

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Ralph Reed 3 years, 5 months ago

@Healthcare_Moocher. re: your 0926.

Do you really expect us to believe you have no idea what that poster was saying? I find it difficult to believe that you are so naive. I've seen information like that poster at the Topeka VA since 93 and in other hospitals for years.

Take a look at these links, it will provide you some initial information on End of Life Care.

http://www.nhpco.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3254

http://www.growthhouse.org/

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 5 months ago

So, if I'm reading this right, bozo almost likens requiring an ID to what in his mind is REAL voter fraud, or a form thereof---voter fraud 'lite'. lol! really lol! You're a constant source of laughs, you clown you!

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Kyle Reed 3 years, 5 months ago

So I'm curious...is the claim that all these black and hispanic people are just so financially strapped they can't get an ID? I see plenty of black and hispanic (minorities in general actually) driving around town every single day. Am I to assume that none of them have a drivers license on them? I see them in the line at the bank as well. Am i to assume they are all turned away once they get to the teller since they can't produce any form of ID?

These assumptions are as ludicruous as the assertion that "they just can't afford it" or that "it's just too difficult".

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autie 3 years, 5 months ago

I guess some of you boys are so naive, you ain't real sure what is real anymore. The people most affected by this so called voter ID business are those that tend to be of the lower economic demographics and would imagine many are hispanic or black....Now smart guys,,,try an be from a poor or poverty background and go get your picture ID....Do you have that original certified copy of your birth certificate? Plus that original certified copy of your social security card? I know people who have lived in Kansas all their lives that cannot get a state issued picture ID card because of piss poor birth records...or lack of records. Plain and simple, it is another ploy by the man to keep a brother down.

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 5 months ago

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 5 months ago

I also believe I should not have to submit to a backscatter scanner while in the surrender position, or have some TSA employee pat me down and meet "resistance" in my nether region, or de-holster my firearm when picking up my offspring from school.

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 3 years, 5 months ago

The primary goal is most certainly to decrease voter turnout, and while the voter ID law will mostly have the effect of reducing the number of disadvantaged voters (who are more likely to be Democratic voters) I disagree that it is targeted specifically at Democratic voters.

Republican election strategy over the last several election cycles has been to suppress voting in any way they can imagine. With reduced voter turnout, the strategy is to push hot button issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) and engage in other forms of outright demagoguery to get just enough radical right voters riled up to vote in close elections, tipping them in their favor.

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consumer1 3 years, 5 months ago

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 5 months ago

Why not tattoo a number on the inside of my wrist? Why not inject a radio tracking tag. Why not swab my cheek for DNA sample? Why not require me to provide dental records?

This is not a measure to help the voting process. This is a way to control. This is a way to restrict. This is a way to reduce voter participation.

No.

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obamarocks 3 years, 5 months ago

I believe that if you live in the U.S. you should have the right to vote, shouldn't matter if you are a citizen or not. As long as you have lived here more than 6 months.

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cowboy 3 years, 5 months ago

Tom , You are now posting outright lies ! Why not get some level of ethics.

The video you reference in your post is actually from a humor site which combines snippets of comments edited together to provide a humorous result. Google it ! You will also note that the top results are fox losers Hannity et al ilk playing what any idiot with ten keystrokes can identify as a spoof. For you to post references to this indicates either you swallow every twisted false lie that Hannity et al spew or you really just don't care that they are false and repeat them incessantly. This is as pathetic as you can get. Credibility = large zero

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 5 months ago

Why in the heck won't Obama show some proper ID? Why have we allowed this issue to be beat down by the establishment liberal media? I and other still wonder where in the heck this fraud was really born. Now, I've heard a video has surfaced with The Anointed One admitting he is not an American. Who's seen it? And Michelle can't keep her mouth shut. I just can't wait until this radical George Soros puppet is gone in two years---GONE! Bye-bye! See ya'! go back to Chicago and get into some criminal enterprise with your half-pint crook friend, Rahm Emanuel.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Where ID's should be checked but so very very frequently are not is when people are writing checks or using credit/debit cards. Now Chris Kobach here is a huge source of fraud....get with it!

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 5 months ago

The only thing liberals want to ID you squarely for is to collect your taxes. They precisely want to know EXACTLY who you are in order to properly confiscate your income and assets. Liberals don't give a flying fig about who votes--felons, illegals, Mickey Mouse, the Dallas Cowboys----as long as they feel they are likely to get the vote vs. a Republican. They love their Limousine Liberals like Pscyho Pelosi and their not about to give up a penny of your money, but will look the other way to some voter fraud. ACORN is/was The Anointed One's best friend. George Soros is their Puppet Master----their shadow government. And some lefties on this forum have asked, "Who's George Soros"? lol!

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 5 months ago

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

Not only that senior citizens have a medicare card which should be good enough.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 5 months ago

BUTTTTTTTTTT we voters should not need a special ID to vote. Kobach wants a special voter ID. A special voter ID would not stop fraud. Anything can be made counterfeit = no real protection. Kobach wants to blow some tax dollars.

A drivers license or a state ID obtained through the driver license bureau should be sufficient.

Kobach wants to blow some tax dollars. And Kobach did his job which was to distract voters from any real issues on the table. Kobach seems like he wants a military government not a people's government.

Where ID's should be checked but so very very frequently are not is when people are writing checks or using credit/debit cards. Now Chris Kobach here is a huge source of fraud....get with it!

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 5 months ago

How dumb can you be. You need an ID for welfare, bank account, pharmacy, file for your unearned income credit and most everything else. It is not unreasonable to ask for an ID to vote.

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notajayhawk 3 years, 5 months ago

"He wants to discourage people from voting."

Gee, Robert - you managed to do exactly what you're attempting to accuse Kobach of doing. See, Robert, it's YOU that doesn't want a study, because it has been studied, and there is absolutely no proof - none - that a single person has been prevented from voting, or has been unduly inconvenienced, by voter ID laws passed in other states.

"He apparently believes, probably correctly, that a majority of the legitimate voters discouraged by the requirement would vote for Democrats if allowed to vote."

Why is that, Robert? Why do YOU - not Kobach, but YOU - assume that those who would have a problem producing an ID at the poll would be mostly Democrats? Are Democrats too stupid to know where the motor vehicle office is? Are they so scatter-brained as to be constantly misplacing their wallets? Maybe you're insinuating most of them wouldn't be able to get birth certificates, not knowing who their parents are? Or maybe it's your assumption that most felons are Democrats, or most illegal aliens?

I'm not just being facetious here, Robert (well, maybe a little, but not just facetious). I'd really like to know what the basis of your assumption is. Because it's not Kobach's assumption, YOU are attributing motive to his actions (that's called "projection", BTW), and you even said that assumption was 'probably correct'.

So, seriously, Rpbert - WHY, exactly, would any voter ID requirement be a disproportionate hardship for Democrats? Especially in light of the evidence that such laws do not present a hardship to anyone at all?

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labmonkey 3 years, 5 months ago

I do not see how someone can be against voter ID. If you are a citizen and have the right to vote, you should have no problem showing an ID. If you are unable to obtain a driver's license, you can still receive a state issued photo ID. Why would someone who has the right to vote take that right so lightly?

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