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Have-nots hurting

May 21, 2010

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To the editor:

In his Saturday Column, Journal-World Editor Dolph Simons asks when will the White House, Congress and the courts come to their senses and follow the public’s wishes? How much change is enough?

It’s enough when the gap between the “haves” and “have-nots” is reduced to acceptable levels. The “have-nots” keep growing. Government hasn’t taken care of them as well as the “haves.” Tax cuts for the rich and Bush’s squandering of the surplus left him put us in this mess.

Simons rants about everything Obama has taken control of and then talks out of the other side of his mouth and asks why he hasn’t controlled our borders. If Bush had controlled banking we would be in better shape today. Wonder what Mr. Simons thinks about that?

Government must take control because oil, banking, auto, housing, health care, environment, student loans and on and on have proved they won’t regulate themselves.

No, everything’s not fine in this country. Nobody’s happy with the way things are. But the “have-nots” are hurting the most and growing by the day. They’re supporting government controls to stop the hemorrhaging and turn things around. They’re not talking out of both sides of their mouths. The ones that didn’t want controls created this mess. I can’t imagine the mess we would be in today if the Republicans were still in power. I pray everyone thinks about this really hard before the next election. It’s time government considered the “have-nots”, because they are the majority, Mr. Simons, not the group you would have us believe.

Comments

independant1 3 years, 10 months ago

Fairness as equal treatment does not produce fairness as equal outcomes. The confusion between the two meanings of the same word has created enormous mischief, much of it at the expense of lagging groups, who have been distracted from the things that would enable them to catch up. And whole societies have been kept in a turmoil pursing a will o' the wisp in the name of "fairness." (Thomas Sowell)

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 11 months ago

I went to buy a concealed weapon the other day and had to listen to a lot of right wing bs, as I usually do, when associating with the gun guys.

I agree with a lot of what they say and like these guys, who usually are very intelligent. But it does not take long for the conversations to drift into the extremists territory where Obama is about the worst thing to happen since Castro took over Cuba.

How can really smart people be so dumb?

It is the poltical rhetoric of our time. The experts who get paid high dollars to get candidates elected, who write their speeches, who tell them what to say and what to wear. The army of phony journalists and columnists who are paid to repeat the slogans and zombie language of politics and deceive us into thinking they are smarter than us.

It is time to stop the bs.

The political parties have gotten to the point where they believe they can make you believe anything and you will buy it all, hook, line and sinker.

That is why the country has become so partisan and so much dumber than ever before even though we have more information than anyone in history. It is the greatest irony of our times. We are now literally tethered to these political parties, their special interests and their money.

PS: Having grown up with guns and gotten away from them, I now see the value in owning firearms. I reject the anti-gun point of view. I believe we live in a time when law abiding Americans who are so inclined and with proper training, should definitely know how to handle a gun and have the right to own one and carry one. I think this should be a states rights issue. But that is another story.

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overplayedhistory 3 years, 11 months ago

Oh the libertarians, who think everyone who is poor is lazy and or just not born with much intelligence. What ever helps you sleep at night and pat your self on the back. Oh how easy we judge once we ourselves have struggled and overcome or just had it handed to us like W. You can't expect second generation wealth that owns a town to have any other political non childlike philosophy.

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 11 months ago

Real Americans don't need to follow any politician.

They are supposed to be working for us.

Think about that awhile and ask yourself why you are now working for them.

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independant1 3 years, 11 months ago

America is a land of opportunity and don’t ever forget it. (Will Rogers)

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

If you re-distribute wealth to the 'have nots', it all ends up back in the hands of the 'haves' in a matter of time anyway. Accordlingly, this is why you have mainstream/center-right slowly taking back control and far-left zealots about to face the wilderness for a long long time. Nothing ever changes and the far-left will whine up to their last day. This country was simply not ready for The Anointed One (and Pelosi and Reid---look at their approval ratings).

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commuter 3 years, 11 months ago

Poor have nots - they will never be happy until they take everything from the haves. Poor people. I am a have but i am also hurting as well. I have to work more because we have not hired as many people. Life goes on.

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toe 3 years, 11 months ago

We are fortunate the so called "have nots" or under class of our society, has bought into the belief they deserve their position in life. After all, if you prayed hard enough, acted a certain way, or simply was grateful for what you had, then riches would be showered upon you. I am not for certain how much longer those looked down upon, will stop looking down on themselves. But, when they do, answers to some very jolting questions will he had, or else.

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whatthehell 3 years, 11 months ago

Mixed among so many reasonable comments, so many fools. Barry and others...the act has gotten so old... "Darwin?" WTF? Get over yourself. Finger pointing back and forth with no real accountability or accepting of any wrongdoing by anyone that shares your philosophies... Each party has made so many mistakes in the name of power, in the name of "god", in the name of what is "right". The swings back and forth are so far and so volatile that the machine that is our society will eventually break beyond repair (perhaps it already has). There will inevitably be a revolution of sorts, one way or another. Armed conflict? Unlikely, but not impossible. Some say this is a socialist movement and socialism has NEVER worked. The same say that there have always been and need to be separation of "classes". Yes. True socialism is doomed to failure and YES there are classes/needs to be "class" stratification. The thing is, a REALLY important part of that is the ability to move between the classes. Let's say that you are born in to the "upper" middle class. If you are intelligent, work hard and make good choices you can stay there or move up to the upper class, however if you don't do those things, your lot in life will be to move down. Similarly if you are born poor, you can move up to middle or upper middle by being a productive member of society. A great deal of this "problem" comes with how much the strata have changed. For example... I was born into the middle class of a two parent household. Dad worked, mom ran the house. We had what we needed and they saved for what was important beyond basic needs. Now, as 40somethings, both my wife and I are college educated, work full time jobs and REALLY struggle to make ends meet, while rich get uber-rich, politicians / lawmakers get rich (and have free health care) . I don't want any handouts, nor do I think there should be handouts for those that make terrible decisions or don't strive to succeed, but I can tell you, the only movement for my family that is possible is a move into the lower-middle class (maybe we already have). So, I have gone from a decidedly "Republican" perspective on many issues such as military strength, to one that is more "Democratic"... what in the world are we doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, spending billions of dollars attempting to conquer peoples that will always hate us no matter what. Our congress protects and aids the rich while our schools continue to have budget shortfalls, our companies repeatedly cut back and allow GOOD jobs to go overseas, our roads and bridges are failing and on and on and on. Obama is not the problem, alone. Bush was not the problem, alone. The problem is that both parties and the media, corporations and special interests are fighting these MASSIVE swings from one direction to another and neither is beneficial when so far to the left or right.

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barrypenders 3 years, 11 months ago

Oh no! I hope there were some of the 'Old Ladies' from the vicious 'Tea Baggers' clan to defend the residents!

My Darwin!

Stimulus, Peaceful Loving SEICKOs' and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

Are SEIU employees "have-nots". Hundreds stormed a bankers house the other day, scaring the hell out of his 14 yr. old son who was home alone. Remember SEUI? Obama's bestest buds in the whole wide world. They seem to think they need to 'have' something someone else 'has'. But, what's new.

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barrypenders 3 years, 11 months ago

Big Government 'Indoctrination' facilities,(Schrools) are only as wonderful as the people that populate it. Union Teachers are what they are.

Stimulus, C'est La Vie PADs, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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lawrenceguy40 3 years, 11 months ago

The politics of jealousy. the letter writer would be happier if he was much poorer, as long as the "haves" were poor as well.

He shares with most liberals a rather pathetic outlook on life.

163

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independant1 3 years, 11 months ago

a conservative intellectual, Walter Williams, recently said about Free Markets pro rich or pro poor - The market is a friend in another unappreciated way. In poor black neighborhoods, one might see some nice clothing, some nice food, some nice cars but no nice schools. Why not at least some nice schools? Clothing, food and cars are distributed by the market mechanism while schools are distributed by the political mechanism.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

The left acts if class division is a new thing invented by big, bad, mean Republicans. That is hilarious. Makes for good movies though.

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independant1 3 years, 11 months ago

The Lord split knowledge up among his subjects about equal. The so-called ignorant is happy. You think he is happy because he don’t know any better. Maybe he is happy because he knows enough to be happy. The smart one knows a lot. That makes him unhappy because he can’t impart it to his friends. Discontent comes in proportion to knowledge. (Will Rogers 8/32 cherokee 23/32 caucasion)

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 11 months ago

We know that everyone in Congress shares blame for the current economic crisis. You cannot gloss over this by blaming one political party over the other.

This came down to simple human greed and irresponsibility. Some would say the devil ran amuck because men with weak character did not stand up to temptation. Another explanation could be just lack of talent and skill. The "Peter Principle" put people with big egos and less than adequate brain power in places they didn't belong.

Not Republicans or Democrats. Just people with weak character who don't belong in congress.

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Richard Heckler 3 years, 11 months ago

"It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber."

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Think about it. In the past 30 years the repub tea party has been in involved two major home loan scandals that effectively took the USA economy down the tubes. One is too damn many but twice represents repub economic policy. Wreckanomics is a failed economic policy. In fact wreckanomics is beginning to smell like well planned crimes.

The republican tea party have become masters at putting millions upon millions upon millions of people out of work. AND stealing taxpayers retirement plans along the way.

What the Repubs do with a remarkable degree of consistency is wreck the economy,initiate huge movements of shipping jobs abroad aka the Reagan-Bush Global Economy and try to wreck social security and medicare.

Is there a definite pattern? Absolutely!

  1. The Reagan/ Bush FINANCIAL Scandals http://rationalrevolution0.tripod.com/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm

  2. The Bush/Cheney Home Loan Scandal http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2009/0709macewan.html

  3. What did Bush and Henry Paulson do with the bail out money? http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/10/good_billions_after_bad_one_year

  4. Why did GW Bush Lie About Social Security?( This would cost taxpayers $4 trillion and wreck the economy) http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0505orr.html

  5. Still A Bad Idea – Bush Tax Cuts http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2001/0301miller.html

  6. The "tea parties" BTW are part of the wreckanomics program funded by the Koch Brothers... well known oil billionaires. These thinkers back a tax payers bill of rights which is another scheme to reward the upper 1% which is designed to wreck local and state governments. http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2005/0705rebne.html

All of the above displays reckless economic behavior that which drains the cookie jars.

What do Reagan,Bush and Bush tea party republicans plan for 2010? Start the typical repub character assassination campaign which in essence is a massive cover-up scheme for the financial disasters that illustrate how the repubs are NOT the financial giants of our time.

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jayhawklawrence 3 years, 11 months ago

Everyday Americans don't have the time, money or resources to keep up with all the current events. They don't have access to reliable information.

Today, too many Americans are choosing sides and losing their independence. They are turning themselves into parrots for the Republican or Democratic parties. We know they did a bad job the last 10 years. We just don't know exactly who is responsible because they are so good at hiding.

One of the big problems we have now is that we listened too much to these jokers and we let our selves get divided into "us" vs. "them".

Our lives should not be like this. It is not just government getting too big. Politics itself has gotten too big. Politicians are too much in our face and we are pressured to choose sides when the information is almost always unreliable.

Tom has so much faith in Fox News and the same old geezers pushing the country to the right.

Other people here believe as this letter writer believes.

The problem is that we are too easily fooled into believing all these jokers. It is time to put new people in Congress. I am tired of being pressure to choose sides when I know that I am often being used, lied to or being given inaccurate information designed to mislead me.

They have turned us into an "us" vs. "them" society. We let them get away with that and that is our biggest mistake. Our votes for the wrong people turned our congress into a dysfunctional mess run by special interests and money.

We did that to ourselves.

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Liberty275 3 years, 11 months ago

Government hasn’t taken care of them as well as the “haves.”

That's a sickening statement. It isn't governments job to "take care of people". Anyone that does want the government taking care of them is a sad excuse for an American. I'm fairly poor, but I don't want ANYTHING from this or any other government. I'll get what I deserve by working for it.

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Dispersant 3 years, 11 months ago

"I/Me/Mine, I/Me/Mine, I/Me/Mine". JL

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

Obama would not be in office were it not for 'have-nots' ........this is plain truth. Now, he wants more of them to insure a second term.

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Healthcare_Moocher 3 years, 11 months ago

If most of you would spend as much time figuring out how to become a have, instead of this pitty party on being a have not... then maybe, just maybe, things will start to turn around.

No one made you a have not except you.

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CHANDLER007 3 years, 11 months ago

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Ouch! Now THAT hurt! Thank you, Mr. Right Wing, for a good laugh this afternoon. ;)

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parrotuya 3 years, 11 months ago

Once again, a wing-nut speaks without a clear point and a total lack of brain cells.

Give that right-winger a big, fat tax cut and send him home!

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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mr_right_wing 3 years, 11 months ago

Liberals hate to have this thrown up in their face, but I'm happy to oblige. There is nothing they can say; they have no come-back. As long as barry is in office I'm going to bring this up again and again and again.

A great democratic (Kennedy even!!) President once said: "...And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man. "

JFK sounds more like Reagan & Bush than obama! OUTCH! Kinda hurts there libs?? I get cold sweats when I think of what barry would have done during the Cuban MIssle Crisis.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 11 months ago

The sooner Dear Leader is back in his mob-financed Chicago mansion, the better off America will be.

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headdoctor 3 years, 11 months ago

Oreobama (anonymous) says… The have-nots don't hire, haves do. Haves are Obama favorites. He wants to take stuff from haves. When he does this, why don't cry baby whiner liberals cry even harder, because it ends in the end with whiney have nots having even less. Just give Obama some time and he'll prove me right.


There goes some more of that priceless example of stupidity. Have you even bothered to look at what Obama has done with your own eyes and brain? He has been more Republican in many areas than the Republicans have been. The last time I took a look Bush and his cronies have done more to turn haves into the have-nots. The money didn't end up in some social program. It ended up in his and the cronies pockets.

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Oreobama 3 years, 11 months ago

The have-nots don't hire, haves do. Haves are Obama favorites. He wants to take stuff from haves. When he does this, why don't cry baby whiner liberals cry even harder, because it ends in the end with whiney have nots having even less. Just give Obama some time and he'll prove me right.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

A simple "thank you" from far-left zealots to "angry right-wing conservatives" for having a job and a house and a car would suffice and would end all this back and forth.

May god bless.

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9070811 3 years, 11 months ago

For example, hypothetically, I have two children and am earning a fixed income of $600 a month and the poverty line is defined as earning at or less than $625 a month. I receive a $50 voucher a month for groceries, as well as a $100 voucher for childcare. If I earn a raise at my service job, as a waitress, and my monthly income becomes $640, than I will no longer be eligible for welfare benefits. I am then expected to come up with the difference of $150. It is extremely likely that I will end of on welfare again. An example such as this shows how families barely make it in poverty. My hypothetical family is poorer than when we had monetary supplements. For these reasons the trickle down effect of capitalism has created an extreme strain on the welfare system. If the US service economy had the manufacturing economy to compete with, then my hypothetical family would have a great chance at success. The shift from manufacturing to service has led to the decrease of well-paid union jobs that lead to economic security. Service jobs, such as entertainment and information jobs, are held by only a minority of the labor force; because of this there is a polarity between the poor and rich. (Cootz 136). Therefore, the gap between the poor and the rich that has nearly tripled between 1979 and 2008 could become less if the service economy had competition.

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9070811 3 years, 11 months ago

Former welfare recipients are cannot work full-time or full-year. Most are earning between $6.00 (waiting) and $8.00 per hour (Acs and Loprest 2001; Administration for Children and Families and Office of Planning Research and Evaluation 2000; Brauner and Loprest 1999; Freedman et al. 2000; Loprest 1999; Loprest 2001; Parrott 1998), a wage insufficient to enable them to provide for their families. And although the poverty rate has declined overall, it has increased among working families, particularly those headed by single mothers. For those families that were already poor, poverty in the last several years has deepened (Primus and Greenstein 2000). (Boushey 2002) Boushey’s research of the social welfare reform of 1996 shows that just like Ehrenreich, those in the making the same wage can barely “make it” for their families. Thus, it is an economic strain to the masses.

The strain of the system comes from the fact that it is nearly impossible to move up the ladder when making such a low wage. Manufacturing jobs within US borders are extremely valuable and important to our labor force and standard of living. Dean Baker of the Economic Policy Institute states: “The availability of good jobs in manufacturing helps boost wages and living standards for the non-college educated portion of the workforce as a whole.” (Baker). This means that the manufacturing sector is a competition market for the service economy. Basic economic knowledge is that when one market has traditionally higher wages, another market must have competing wages in order to attract a workforce. The workforce is of the same general education level as mentioned by Baker. (Baker). Therefore, when the higher wage jobs (the manufacturing economy) leave the country, the service economy is allowed to lower their wages because it does not have competition in the labor force it employs.

A family making below the poverty line can receive welfare benefits to subsist on and when they reach the poverty cut off they must then provide for themselves that which they were receiving in benefits. This obviously puts them down back into the bracket of the living standards they were at before. There is little to no room to move up economically. It could mean a re-entry into the welfare system.

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kubacker 3 years, 11 months ago

Charle: I guess you're referring to the have-nots all of which have flat screen TVs, cable service, $50-$100 cell phone service, and get cars, rent, food and health care paid for by the rest of us.

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headdoctor 3 years, 11 months ago

Threads like this are absolutely a priceless example of stupidity when the angry right wing have-nots make a show of support for the ideology that has done nothing to help their cause. The example grows even larger when the Christian right show up to give support for almost everything that the good book they study from tell them not to do. Abortion, gay marriage, separation of church and state being the exceptions. I am beginning to see now why that whole education thing is such a conundrum for the modern Republican party.

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beaujackson 3 years, 11 months ago

When was the last time a "have-not" provided a job for anyone?

Be grateful for the "haves", although, thanks to the Obamacrats, there are fewer "haves", which translates into more "have-nots".

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George Lippencott 3 years, 11 months ago

Ok. I am sympathetic to the notion of encouraging a better distribution of the wealth of this country and have suggested some approaches to do so on this space.

That said, I have never understood the notion of “haves” and “have nots” as thrown around by some. Now, I know in Lawrence that some in this space argue that those east of Iowa are “have nots” and those west of Iowa are “haves “and that money to “downtown” or certain neighborhood schools addresses the perceived inequity. To me that is unduly simplistic and counter productive in addressing the real inequities.

First – what is a “have not”? How do you define a “have”? Is anybody who earns an income a “have” or do you have to be at some arbitrary income level? Who decides - the self identified “have nots”?

Buried in this simplistic call are people who will not work, people who have chosen a less stressful and lower paying job, people who are deferring income toward a better life in the future, people who failed through their own fault to prepare themselves for their own future and others. Then, there are some who chose a life of chemical dependency that robes them of any real existence. Are these the “have nots” Many of these people already receive a great deal of public funding to attempt to address the real or perceived imbalance. How much income transfer is enough? Are we focusing it well?

On the west side we find two wage earner professional families. There are small businessmen who work long hard hours. There are retired people who have saved to do so or who are receiving pensions they earned – some not all that well off. Of course, there are some people who make a very good income – are we to decide how much they can keep? These people pay the bills for the government income transfers and contribute a not insignificant amount (time and money) to charity. Is everyone in this diverse group a “have”?

I guess the “have nots” will not be happy until there are no longer any “haves”. Will the “haves” work if they live no better than the “have nots”. The concept did not work well in the former Soviet Union.

How about we carry on this conservations with terms we all can understand if not agree upon.

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barrypenders 3 years, 11 months ago

The country is in a "Hope and Change" Transformation, feetup.

Mexico and China need the jobs so that they quit sneaking over the boarder and give millions of men without women something to do.

Yes We Can!!

Stimulus, Obamnation, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you

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bennyoates 3 years, 11 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…

Old English Proverb say:

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. May 21, 2010 at 8 a.m. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ No wonder this thread/chain is so weak. You're the weakest part of it and you keep showing up to reiterate that.

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bennyoates 3 years, 11 months ago

TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) replies…

This thread will bring many more have-nots out today, being as this forum is heavily populated by them. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yes, these boards are dominated by those who have not any brains and enlighten us with their pinhead Social Darwinism, like Mr. Shewmon, barrypenders, yourworstnightmare, and anyone who quotes the right-wing christian demagogue Adrian Rogers.

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feetup 3 years, 11 months ago

I was a have, now a have not. Lost my fat job and found one at 1/2 the pay. I do not blame anyone one but myself for not seeing the writing on the wall, for not planning ahead, for just plain shortsightedness. I do not nor have i ever really aspired to be a rich person with tons of money and possessions. Just to make ends meet and have some left over to play with recreationally or buy something i wanted or needed. ie washer/dryer, go shopping for stuff, or a vacation. When my income crashed, i changed my world from living quarters to food n play budget. Now that I am making much less money, it may sound funny buy my goals are still the same. I want to be comfortable, have plenty to eat, and still i am happy. I plan on going back to school in the fall ( i am over 50) I do not need the governments help but i admit i will look for funding and loans for school. But i do wish people Dems and Reps alike would get a grip on what is happening on Main Street in once thriving communities that i see are now ghost towns. I consider myself very blessed to have found another job in lawrence at all. I do have one major gripe tho - jobs overseas is just wrong. Bring them back! then we'll see how Main Street fares when those jobs return.

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yourworstnightmare 3 years, 11 months ago

Wow, the screamers are out in force on this one.

How about a little perspective.

"Have-nots" as wellas "haves" are generalized terms that must be broken down and considered.

Have nots include: -the mentally ill who are incapable. -the physically handicapped who are incapable. -the temporarily down-and-out, out of work, just laid off, looking for work. -the working poor. -the lazy who do not want to work and want a subsidized life.

I am with all of the right-wingers on this site who oppose the lazy and unwilling. Let's not lose perspective, though, by focusing solely on this class.

The have include: -the bootstrappers who started with nothing and built themselves a fortune. -those who had good, solid social upbringing and are taking advantage of their opportunities (the middle class). -those born into wealth who are increasing their fortunes through hard work. -those born into wealth who choose to be lazy and non-productive and exist solely on the fruits of their ancestors' labors.

I am equally opposed to this last class as to the lazy welfare recipients. They seem to be of a kin to one another.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

Those like beoB and beatrice and most of this award-winning forum (and many Dem leaders) beat the drum of blacks being subject to racism and try to speak on their behalf with their wild, sweeping accusations, yet blacks think things are getting better.

"Despite the bad economy, blacks' assessments about the state of black progress in America have improved more dramatically during the past two years than at any time in the past quarter century, according to a comprehensive new nationwide Pew Research Center survey on race."

http://pewsocialtrends.org/pubs/749/blacks-upbeat-about-black-progress-obama-election

Dems will resort to anything to get some votes. Despicable. One thing is for sure, theyr'e going to need every vote they can get this fall and in 2012.

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TrooGrit 3 years, 11 months ago

It never ceases to amaze me when all the whiners start crying about not "having" and trying to make it into the fault of the haves for that. People now expect the government to carry their lazy butts onto easy street, without a thought to all the hard working men and women who have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps, and used the freedoms that this country offers to better their lot in life. "They" did it to me, "they" made me poor, "we" don't have the same benefits that others do. Wah, wah, wah. Get off yer butts and make something of yourselves. At the very least, get off of this poor, poor me blog and investigate some work from home programs, so you can make some money and quit whining. Here's a link you might find helpful. http://reviewopedia.com/workathome/my-recommendation/

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Ricky_Vaughn 3 years, 11 months ago

DP is just aching for more upper-class tax cuts, just like Tom and Barry I imagine.

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Brent Garner 3 years, 11 months ago

To the LTE writer and those who support him I refer you to the following link, http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes. Granted this is an article from 2007. And you could also look at this link (a report using 2004 data) http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr151.pdf. Further, back in April, a headline from Yahoo appeared reposted at www.drudgereport.com that pointed out that between exemptions, deductions, and refundable tax credits roughly 47% of Americans paid no federal income taxes in 2009.

Now, is there income inequality in the US? Certainly. Should government then be in the business of guaranteeing incomes to people? That is a dangerous place to go, for as both Daniel Webster and John Marshall observed in 1819, "the power to tax is the power to destroy." And, in closing, do you really want to give such power to the government? Are you thus so certain that abuse and favoritism won't occur?

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barrypenders 3 years, 11 months ago

Speaking of "Have-Nots" or 'Non-Prods'. (Non-Productive)

"The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) plunged nearly 400 points on Thursday, bringing the blue-chip barometer perilously close to psychological support at the 10,000 level. Unfortunately there is no rest for the weary, as it appears that the DJIA may breach this round-number support level, with futures pointing toward a loss of about 51 points on the open. Meanwhile, S&P 500 Index (SPX) futures are indicating an opening loss of more than 7 points. Such a move would put the SPX dangerously close to its February lows near 1,160. Below this, the SPX has little in the way of technical support until 1,030, its November 2009 low. Finally, the CBOE Market Volatility Index (VIX) has soared more than 46% so far this week, as the fear index tagged yet another annual high on Thursday. The VIX is now trading north of the 45 level, a region it has not seen since March 2009."

Poser's attack on Wall Street should help.

Stimulus, Morose Hope n Change, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

"The unrelenting goal of the Alinsky-coached political left is to redistribute wealth from America's "haves" to the "have-nots" in a conviction that America is a racist nation that produces a social inequality only reversible by an attack on capitalism itself."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=127468

Pret' near covers Obama and Company in one sentence.

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gr 3 years, 11 months ago

Crabby,

First, why do the have-nots not have? Is it because the government does not give them enough?

Second, does the government really take care of the rich? Really?! Seems to me, you are spinning that the rich are only rich because they pay a less tax rate than the have-nots. But you know that's not really true. What you really want is to steal from the rich and give to the poor.

How is that fair? The gays say they want equal and fair treatment even though they already have it. But what about the tax system? How is that fair to charge people different rates? What if it was voted to tax gay people at 70% but everyone else at 10%? What if people like you keep punishing everyone who puts forth an effort so they either quit or leave? Where is the government going to steal the money from? Didn't that experiment happen (and fail) at the start of this country?

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

Old English Proverb say:

A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

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think_about_it 3 years, 11 months ago

Sorry Charlie,

Unfortunately too many of the have-nots are will-nots.

Socialism has never worked and it never will.

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consumer1 3 years, 11 months ago

Beo, perfect example of hypocracy and hate. Because someone doesn't agree with your thoughts they are, racist and haters. You set the bar so high for your people so well.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 11 months ago

It's perfectly fine for Good ol' Charley to believe the way he does as long as he's ready for the next level.

The Tytler Cycle.

Bondage Spiritual Faith Courage Liberty Abundance Selfishness Complacency Apathy Dependence Then starting over with Bondage

We're well into the dependence phase and these cycles take approximately 200 years so......Obama/Pelosi/Reid seem like the perfect fit to lead us into the final stage.

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Les Blevins 3 years, 11 months ago

Sounds like oldvet has been reading Karl Marx, and I can actually agree with him. .

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beobachter 3 years, 11 months ago

Mr Crabtree, you are right on the money with your letter. Now stand by and watch all the racist hate filled posts from teabaggers on this forum.

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Pilgrim2 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey, Charley, two undeniable facts of life:

1) There will always be "have-nots."

2) That is not the fault of the "haves."

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cato_the_elder 3 years, 11 months ago

To the letter writer: It was misguided, in some cases corrupt, efforts by politicians to "spread the wealth" by ordering Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make home loans to people who couldn't begin to afford them that directly caused the current financial crisis. Efforts by the Bush administration to rein this in were met harshly and rejected by politicians of both parties who had received substantial political contributions from Fannie and Freddie. As I've stated before, the top three recipients of Fannie and Freddie money from 1989 to 2008 were all Democrats - including Barack Obama, who made that list having served only one partial Senate term from 2005-2008. Think about that - Obama's partial term represented only 4 years out of the 20 years tabulated, and yet he took second place behind disgraced Connecticut Senator Christopher Dodd, who himself received a cushy home loan from one of the key lenders involved in the subprime crisis. Obama's efforts to "spread the wealth" through reckless, wasteful "stimulus" spending have created no positive results whatsoever for our economy - it was reported yesterday that jobless claims rose last week by the largest margin in 3 months. The letter writer's visceral hatred of Republicans will probably never allow him to see the material harm that Obama and other radically liberal Democrats have already inflicted on our country, both at home and abroad (see Charles Krauthammer's excellent column in today's J-W). As Margaret Thatcher said, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." The letter writer is obviously incapable of realizing that.

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oldvet 3 years, 11 months ago

I have no problem with "sharing the wealth" as long as we also "share the work"... It's time to reinstate workfare and work programs instead of just handing it out to the have-nots-too-lazy-to-get-off-their-butts...

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barrypenders 3 years, 11 months ago

"Have-Nots" need to be "Taken Care Of" by Big Government like they are in Europe. Greece is a perfect example of how to "Take Care Of People" that 'Can't Take Care' of themselves.

Stimulus, Transformation Evolution, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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Les Blevins 3 years, 11 months ago

'amen' thank you for that mr. crabtree

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