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Kansas forward Marcus Morris covers his head after the Jayhawks' 69-67 loss to Northern Iowa Friday, March 20, 2010 at the Ford Center in Oklahoma City.

Kansas forward Marcus Morris covers his head after the Jayhawks' 69-67 loss to Northern Iowa Friday, March 20, 2010 at the Ford Center in Oklahoma City.

March 21, 2010, 12:00 a.m. Updated March 21, 2010, 2:45 a.m.


Kansas falls to Northern Iowa

The Jayhawks ended the season 33-3 after being knocked out of the NCAA tournament by Northern Iowa. The Jayhawks battled back late in the game but ultimately fell 69-67.

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Kansas University senior Sherron Collins wept as he made his way from one locker to the next Saturday night in the basement of Ford Center.

He hugged Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Tyshawn Taylor, Brady Morningstar, Thomas Robinson — virtually all of his teammates — who, like Collins, needed consoling after the NCAA Tournament overall No. 1 seed’s shocking 69-67 second-round Midwest Regional loss to Northern Iowa.

“Nonstop emotion ... everybody’s teared up. This is terrible,” Collins said after the final game of his career — the final game of an otherwise wildly successful 33-3 season.

“To know I don’t get another chance at it ... it hurts so bad,” Collins said. “KU ... it’s a place I call home. I’ve been in Lawrence four years. I wanted to go out the right way and wasn’t able to.”

Collins missed 11 of 15 shots, including all six of his three-point attempts, found this one so tough to digest.

As did Marcus Morris, who fell in a heap after the final buzzer, and, while crying, had to be assisted off the court.

As did red-shirt Mario Little, who remained sobbing on the bench after the rest of his teammates had headed through the tunnel to the locker room.

“The way we played, we did it to ourselves,” Collins said of a game in which KU dug itself a 10-2 hole two days after trailing Lehigh, 12-4.

“They’re a tough team, but we had opportunities regardless.”

Northern Iowa (30-4) is a tough mid-major team out of the Missouri Valley Conference, a conference that last recorded a victory over a No. 1-ranked squad in 1962 when former Valley member Cincinnati stunned Ohio State.

Are the Panthers a better team?

“No,” Collins said. “We are the better team. We are the best team in the country. We showed it all year. It just happens sometimes.”

The players were not the only ones to feel pain after this one.

Coach Bill Self didn’t hide from a questioner who wanted to know if it was the most painful loss of his career.

“I said in the locker room to the coaches, not the players, it probably is,” Self said. “And the reason it is, is a credit to the players because you work your butt off for a long time. You operate under duress, you operate under pressures the whole year that a lot of teams don’t operate under because of where we were ranked and expectations. And to put ourselves in a position that we were in, they don’t come around every year.

“You’ve got to make the most of those opportunities when you are granted them. That’s probably what stings the most. I don’t know if I’ll watch the tape. I know that there’s just one or two plays here or there that was the difference in the game, but this stings a lot.”

There were a couple of key plays to look at down the stretch.

KU, which trailed, 36-28, at halftime and 47-35 with 12:31 left, crept within one point, 63-62, at :42.8.

After a time out, Ali Farokhmanesh (16 points, 4-for-10 from three) swished a three at :37, boosting the margin to 66-62.

“That was a dagger and a big-time play by a really good player,” Self said.

Tyrel Reed was called for a charge on the next possession.

“A stupid play on my part,” he said.

At :18.1, Kwadzo Ahelegbe cashed one of two free throws, making it 67-62.

Reed scored at :06.4, but Farokhmanesh answered with two free throws at :4.8, with Marcus Morris swishing a meaningless three on the final possession.

As far as general problems contributing to the defeat ...

• “Defense. We didn’t guard,” Collins said on a night the Panthers hit 40 percent of their shots to KU’s 44.4.

• Free throwing.

Xavier Henry followed a 1-of-2 effort from Marcus Morris by missing the front end of a one-and-one with 2:32 left, KU down, 59-56. Adam Koch followed on the other end by getting fouled and hitting a pair of free throws, keeping UNI in charge, 61-56.

“I feel if we made free throws, we’d have been right in the game,” Collins said after the Jayhawks hit 13 of 18 to UNI’s 16 of 19.

“I wasn’t nervous. I came in there and stepped up there confidently like I always do. It didn’t go down,” Henry said. “A couple other people, it also didn’t go down. It wasn’t our day.”

• Offensive boards.

UNI, which was outboarded by KU, 38-30, had 11 offensive rebounds. The Panthers had 18 second-chance points to KU’s 12.

“We didn’t complete all of our assignments and rebound the ball well, but give a lot of credit to Northern Iowa for that,” KU junior guard Reed said.

• And coming out of the gate slowly.

“We were sluggish again,” Henry said. “We knew we couldn’t rely on that every game. This is the game that got us.”

KU’s season is over.

And Collins’ career is officially over, with junior Cole Aldrich (13 points, 10 boards) and freshman Henry (eight points, 3-for-6 shooting) expected to be headed to the pro ranks as well.

Since Collins is the senior, everybody felt the worst for him.

“I would love to see him go out on a better note because today wasn’t a true indication of the player he is,” Self said. “He labored today, but I’ve never coached anybody that’s tougher, harder, more competitive and more an extension of me than what he is. And so when a guy gives you so much for over four years, and it’s over in 40 minutes, it’s a tough reality. But he’ll look back on his career as time passes with the greatest memories because he’s been the face of our program, and certainly I’m awfully proud to have had the opportunity to coach him.”

• A previous version of this story was updated.


Maddy Griffin 8 years, 3 months ago

We'll miss you Sherron.You gave it a good shot.and made us know how great we can be.Thanks for the memories.

OutlawJHawk 8 years, 3 months ago

Navyvet--winner of the most idiotic post of the year.

newmedia 8 years, 3 months ago

KU basketball has certainly won more "Big" games than they have lost. Just not always at the right time!! Wait until next year, that's what we always say about the Royals and Chiefs isn't it? Bummer...

workinghard 8 years, 3 months ago

'This is terrible’ Really, this is the best headline you could have come up with? How about 'Great job guys, you did your best'

Shane Rogers 8 years, 3 months ago

.....and that would be why you don't aspire to play at the level of the have to play ABOVE the level of the competition. KU has done this all season long, they were just good enough to get through and to where they were until yesterday.

I'm not surprised. Maybe this will be a wakeup call for the rest of the team for next year. ....or not.

artar 8 years, 3 months ago

It is by no accident we have all these upsets in the tournament. It needs to be altered, the top 4 seeds should be rewarded for their hard work and have their first and second round games at home, then go to neutral sites from there. Oh ....and what is the point of all these dejection photos/ videos of the players crying in their locker room? (and I'm a former photojournalist who respects a little privacy).

hawked 8 years, 3 months ago

When your starting guards are a combined 0-11 from 3 point line you are in trouble. When your opponent seizes every timely rebound you are in trouble and finally when you live on the edge---starting slowly grinding out wins every game to any caliber team, you may be in trouble--congrats on a good season. X definately needs another year, but the association drafts on upside they will pay him millions to become a player, TT---a xsfr would do him and KU well, Cole--should go---go get his money. Brady---if you have your degree--why not move on aswell. BTW, the sun came up today.

whatsnext 8 years, 3 months ago

You could see this coming for the last 3 games. Players crying, laying on the floor. Danny Manning having to herd some players over to shake the hands of the winners. Sherron shaking hands and not saying a word. Coach Self getting mad at the officials instead of his players. Cole the same through game like , lets get this over I'm bored! You could see this one coming and yes a hard loss to swallow. But , hey UNI, played hard, smart, didn't get rattled, and beat the Jayhawks. Hats off to them. The sun came up today and next year Sherron will be down the road and so will Cole. Enough said it should have ended differently but, out Coached, out played and hats off and good luck to Nothern Iowa.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 3 months ago

Breaking news: Show Boat hits snag, sinks with all hands.

Keith 8 years, 3 months ago

"• A previous version of this story was updated."

Where did the quote about "we can go on a 20-4 run anytime go? Or was it in a different article?

Terry Jacobsen 8 years, 3 months ago

Wow! What an incredible year we have had watching these guys play! It has been fun and exciting and full of great memories. Every season ends at some point and although we would have loved to see our guys go further in the tournament, I am grateful for all of the good games that we have had this year. Thanks to Coach Self and his great staff who have worked with our guys and managed them under extreme pressure all year. I hope you feel good about what you've done, because from a fan's perspective, it was a whole lot of fun!! I'm already looking forward to seeing what our team will look like next year! Great coaches, great players, great season!!

gomu 8 years, 3 months ago

The BETTER team DID win on Saturday. It just happened to be from Cedar Falls

sassypants84 8 years, 3 months ago

Nothing funnier than men with tattoos crying.

Travis Shinkle 8 years, 3 months ago

Hey you idiot MObetter, you still have to play your second game today and since you probably don't understand how the tournament works because YOUR team never is in it, let me explain it...Thursday/Saturday games--that's what KU, K-State, and Baylor had and then Friday/Sunday games, that's what your pathetic team has...UNI would have beaten your Tigers by 30 yesterday...

joncon 8 years, 3 months ago

Hey Navyvet, spoken very well for a complete IDIOT! The Jayhawks have had a great season, with a great and winningest coach in KU history. you need to go back to he east coast with your stupid remarks. If you were a real Jayhawk fan your would be giving them a standing ovation. WAY TO GO JAYHAWKS, CONGRATULATIONS ON A GREAT SEASON!

joncon 8 years, 3 months ago


Keith 8 years, 3 months ago

" Keith (anonymous) says…

"• A previous version of this story was updated."

Where did the quote about "we can go on a 20-4 run anytime go? Or was it in a different article?"

Never mind, it was in a Sports Illustrated article.

RackemStackem 8 years, 3 months ago

If KU would have pressed more like they did late in the game, it would have been a different ending. I think the KU players and coaches simply thought they would pull it out and didn't feel the urgency until the last couple of minutes. By then, it was too late.

MrMEtoo 8 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for another great year Coach Self. We are lucky to have a young, energetic winner at the helm who will keep learning and keep this program on top for years to come.

I cant wait for 2010-2011. Morris twins and Thomas Robinson and Withey bringing size and more experience to the front court. Tyshawn and Tyrel with Elijah Johnson and CJ in the backcourt. Preseason #1?

Robert Holmes 8 years, 3 months ago

Those fair weather KU fans make me sick. "Bill Self should resign." I hope you're a KSWho or Misery fan because Bill Self has done in his short time what Roy Williams couldn't do in 15 years. It's easy to be the underdog. It's harder than heck to be the overwhelming favorites night in and night out. I'd rather be a KU fan than UNI fan each year. UNI deserved the win.

I'm sticking with my Hawks and it's now time to move on. I truly believe X needs one more year but I don't think his egotistical father will allow that to happen. MrMEtoo hit it right on the head that even without recruiting we'll be reloading and ready for another great year. Don't forget we get Mario and Travis back next year also.

I'd rather go 33-3 and get beat in the 2nd round (not every year of course) than to live the lives of K-State and Misery fans who just hope for a high seed and (for Misery) just to make the tourney. We simply were not consistent enough this year as the game at Colorado proved but no one can take away our Big XII title for the season and the tourney.

I love the players and coaches! WE ARE KANSAS.

RackemStackem 8 years, 3 months ago

Lawrenceguy - Lay off of the meth and get some perspective. He won KU a title 2 years ago! Fire him? You've got issues. I bet you get real angry and violent when your wife doesn't bring your beer fast enough as well. Fire Self? That is really sad.

7texdude 8 years, 3 months ago

It is not wrong to criticize coach Self and the team. They played terrible. Worse, they didn't show up. It is on Self. This is his team. They did not deliver because they did not show up to play. If you doubt me, watch the first five minutes. No fire. No emotion. No nothing. Come on.

It was a great regular season. This is another NCAA flameojut. It is stupid to say we should fire Self, but why can't we get on him after his team flopped again in the tournament. He makes a lot of money. We had the better team and we lost. Simple as that.

The whole we're going to get 'em next year does not make me feel better. We just crapped away an NCAA title. It's great that we'll have another strong team next year. That does not make me any better.

hitking0005 8 years, 3 months ago

Unfortunately, Collins was bested by his PG counterpart (Kalin Lucas in '09) for the second year in a row. It's quite a mystery considering he was surrounded by superior talent... it's gotta be mental.

And what a ridiculous comment by "artar"... suggesting #1 seeds should be allowed to play the first couple rounds at home. Isn't it enough you get to start out playing lower seeds? Gee, how about just giving #1 seeds a 10-0 lead to start each game? Face it, the stars were aligned for KU to make a deep run; they just couldn't get it done.

RackemStackem 8 years, 3 months ago

Texdude - Criticism is fine, but overreacting is completely different. I am not a KU fan or a KU hater. I just don't understand how fans could call for Self's head. KU better hang onto that man as long as possible. KU stunk it up yesterday. I won't argue that, but Self will bring mutiple titles to Lawrence. The fact that KU fans have such high expectations demonstrates that the man is getting it done (just not this year).

Charley Downey 8 years, 3 months ago

I hated reading what 7texdude wrote on this post. You know what else? He's absolutely right. Why do Bill Self teams consistently seem to either overachieve or underachieve? Examine the period before the title. Two first round exits to inferior teams in that period. In a row. Now this. No, of course he should not be fired. That's absurd. But at the same time, his team's performance on the floor yesterday was unacceptable, as was the coaching. This team, as well as this coaching staff, was completely unprepared for this game.

WildcatsOne 8 years, 3 months ago

I really hate it that you guys were shocked by Northern Iowa......We wanted a chance to play you this year to see who really is the best team. Oh well, we will move on without you.

The Kentucky Wildcats

puddleglum 8 years, 3 months ago

sorry kentucky wildcats, but you guys got the easy bracket this time around. don't worry, you still have next year to dream with your used car salesman coach.

right on edjayhawk!

Self is the man, and we will be back strong as ever next year.

Scruggsy 8 years, 3 months ago

blah blah blah...

Great season. Beat Kstate every which way, swept Mizzou, 6th straight Big 12, won the Big 12 tourney, #1 almost all year, 3rd team to 2000 wins. Totally dominated the league. Great season- screw all the trolls on here... What is more important than totally ruling the Big 12 and ending any talk of imagined "rivalries"?

Jimbecile 8 years, 3 months ago

NavyVet should have been buried at sea.

ljwsrcommentator 8 years, 3 months ago

ARTAR is on the right track. In fact, teams as good as the hawks shouldn't have to play at all, they should just be anointed champions. What a bunch of self-important bad sports. Lying on the court after the game, refusing to acknowledge the winners with a simple handshake, telling the press that UNI was an inferior team and that if they played 100 more times they would win them all - pathetic. Guess what? You are not going to play them 100 more times. You get one shot. It is called playing the game.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 years, 3 months ago

I agree withall you folks about Navyvet, that guy is way off. Coach Self is a great coach and has the record to prove it. What bothers me, is the stupid system that media wonks do on these kids with their "ratings", "polls", and alleged "facts".

"No,” Collins said. “We are the better team. We are the best team in the country. We showed it all year. It just happens sometimes.”

There is a world of knowledge here. KU was NOT the better team this day. You are better AFTER you perform. (What have you done for me lately???) Leaning on past glory and accomplishments is worthless unless you continue to perform, and here, dear friends, is the worm in the woodpile. They thought they were invincible, that no one could rise to the occasion and beat them. They believed the crap from the pollsters and media geniuses. They thought they just had to show up. Well, this is the result. They are not incompetant or lacking in talent. They just need to remember that life is a journey and you need to keep on keeping on. You cannot stop and take it easy and have all the pieces fall in place. No one is to "blame", this is a huge learning experience for these young men, and one that hopefully will stay with them for life as they go their seperate ways. No one is going to get out of the way because you are alleged to be better. You have to continue to prove it over and over again. That is the way life is, guys, and you learned that yesterday.

ohsarah 8 years, 3 months ago

Did workinghard really want a headline that read: 'Great job guys, you did your best'? why lie? It was terrible. The Jayhawks played terribly. They've been doing it all year. How many times did they start sluggishly and come back in the second half to win or pull away? If you keep playing like that it's going to catch up to you. It did on Saturday. Kansas did not do a "great job". Kansas did not "do its best". Kansas had the talent to overcome its sluggish starts in most cases....there were a few games in which they weren't able to do that. The players got it into their heads that they were good enough and didn't need to show up for the first half. Bill Self could not get his players to get it going early. Self is as much to blame as the players. I love the Jayhawks but there were a lot of things wrong with this team...under the surface. Don't be afraid to say it like it is. Hopefully the Jayhawks of next year will remember this. Not just the loss to UNI, but every game in which they failed to take the first half seriously.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 8 years, 3 months ago

And postscript, to the JW. You are crass and insensitive with all your photos of the KU players inconxolable, and your stupid headline "This is Terrible" It was not, it was a great victory for another team and a terriffic learning experience for Kansas. You journalism "experts" make me sick sometime.

Jimo 8 years, 3 months ago

"He hugged Marcus Morris, Markieff Morris, Tyshawn Taylor, Brady Morningstar, Thomas Robinson"

Morningstar? He's still on the team? Who knew?

As Jayhawk fans are lucky enough to say again and again - there's always next year.

tigerforlife 8 years, 3 months ago

Farokhmanesh for three....BULLSEYE!!!

You gotta love a kid who's going to be working at a McDonalds in a year or two beating all the Micky D's All-Americans and future NBA players in the NCAA tourney...classic.

Beaks, your problem was fairly simple, your "on-court leader" was a gangster and a thug who had little or no character...when the chips were down he disappeared like Houdini, what else would you expect? Wig, here's some advice I heard a long time ago, I think Martin Sheen offered it to his son in "Wall Street" -- Don't go to bed with no whores and you won't wake up with no whores.

If you go to yahoosports and read former KC Star KU beat reporter Jason King's article on KU's demise I think he sums it all up pretty well for you...;_ylt=AtKI5xzJ.P5CX6Xr4N19oVjevbYF?slug=jn-ku032110&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Finally, I will say this, MOST KU fans have commented that you got out-coached and out-played and only a few have fallen back on the bad officiating/poor tourney draw conspiracy theories...we'll assume the latter watched the game with their hearts and couldn't really see what the rest of us did.

Congrats NIU!!!

bballer 8 years, 3 months ago

Rock-Choke Jayhawk Really - a program that gets many of the top recruits in the country every year SHOULD be in at least the Elite Eight, probably Final Four just about every year. We've had our moments but overall the program should be considered a failure by such standards. Expectations SHOULD be high every year and early ousters by Bucknell, Bradley and N. Iowa should not be acceptable. Bill Self should be ashamed. KU fans need to expect more of such powerhouse teams. This is embarassing. What's wrong here?

Yogi 8 years, 3 months ago

Congratulations on a great season Jayhawks. You gave us many exciting memories and I'm proud to stand and cheer for the crimson and blue, win or lose. You had a bad day and that happens to everyone in life.I'll look at this team the same as I do the 97 team. One of the best to ever take the court. This just proves that to win a championship takes a certain amount of luck. Sherron made his mark in Jayhawk history and will be loved forever here. We still have the best coach in the country and next year I'll be cheering just as loudly for the new and returning Jayhawks to bring us pride and excitement. Well done Jayhawks!

CLARKKENT 8 years, 3 months ago




pz5g1 8 years, 3 months ago

"I cant wait for 2010-2011. . . Preseason #1?" Why, so we can have another 2nd round flop?

anon1958 8 years, 3 months ago

ROFLMAO at the "men with tatoos crying"crying. The rest of you need to grow up, its a child's game played by pampered prima donnas overseen by narcissistic coaches and ultra-greedy athletic directors. If you really love the "Jayhawks" so much why dont you spend some time watching or supporting the golf team? KU basketball and football are the epitome of all the negative aspects of big time college athletics: greed, self-indulgence, poor sportsmanship and arrogance.

Me, I am just glad this crap is over with for awhile in the vicinity where I live.

dukefame 8 years, 3 months ago

I was really rooting for the Jayhawks yesterday. We were hoping to get another shot at the Hawks this year. As a big K-State fan I hope you guys can handle the fact that KSU will be consistently ranked higher than KU next year. Any smart basketball fan (not the typical, ignorant arrogant KU fan) knows this.

Keep calling for Self's head. That's funny!

We are back.

tigerforlife 8 years, 3 months ago

Nothing says "class" like rubbing your junk on a female student in an elevator or the men's basketball team and football teams staging on-campus stay "classy" KU. Nothing like a lecture on "class" from a KU fan...

See you in the Sweet 16 witchy, oooops, that's right, your walk-thru to the final four hit a snag last night...Farokhmanesh for three....bullseye!!!

bballer 8 years, 3 months ago

Tigers overachieve, 'Hawks underachieve when you compare the 4 & 5 star recruits we get and the 1 and 2 star recruits the Tigers get (if they're lucky). All we do is brag about how good we are, how we dominate the Big 12, blah, blah, blah. A loaded team year-in/year-out SHOULD dominate with only occasional losses to the Dukes, NC, TX, KY's and the other schools that get their share of the 4 & 5 stars. Doesn't anyone understand this? We're not playing on an even floor.

Don Whiteley 8 years, 3 months ago

The game the Hawks played was so indicative of how they played all year long that I'm surprised it's such a shock to everyone. You don't play a quarter of basketball every game and expect to be a national champion. Their natural talent pulled their backsides out of the fire in all except three games, two of which were learning opportunitites that the Hawks never learned from. While this team will go down in history as a gargantuan waste of talent, let's not overlook one thing that has nothing to do with this team. First, the game is too important to leave in a starter that has struggled all season and missed 11 of 15. Second, this is the third time a Self coached Hawk team has lost to a vitual NOBODY in the NCAA tournament. Maybe it's time Bily Boy does a Self assessment.

Jay_lo 8 years, 3 months ago

A previous version of this comment was updated.

For Bill and the Team,

Time Well Spent

A great hawk soars High above the crowd And all stare in amazement As it glides gracefully along

But even a hawk Must come back to earth, sometime And when it does It appears a little less majestic

And those who see it For the first time, grounded Can not find appreciation For how high it once soared

But those of us Who watched in awe Will never regret the time we spent To watch a great hawk fly

Thank you all for a great year!

The Loss

It's called a game Because it's true Not life or death Not near close to

And yet the pain Felt at the losing Is just as sharp With people choosing

To boo and hiss Those they once loved Their former heroes Who lost and shoved

The fans from atop Their lofty perch On player's shoulders So they search

For words of hate To hurt them all These few who had The nerve to fall

The few who worked And fell just short To be the best At their chosen sport

For them this loss Will carry through Affect their lives Each day anew

But for the fans They can relax A new crop will soon hoist them Upon their backs

uconnjay 8 years, 3 months ago

Some of these e-mails are almost as depressing as the game itself. Yes, KU lost a game they should have won. Yes, Bill Self seemed to have been out-coached. But such mean-spirited comments! You know I'm especially talking about you Jimo, lawrenceguy40 and tigerforlife. Such nastiness isn't really healthy for you or for anybody else. Perhaps you should have life aspirations that amount to more than spiteful e-mail postings.

mynameismudd 8 years, 3 months ago

Shame on all of you have have trashed the coaching and player's performance. Last night's game was not indicative of the performance we have viewed all season. They deserve better appreciation from their fans. I am sure no one feels worse than the players themselves and the coaches but the season they gave us was stellar and I am thankful for that. For the most part we are talking about teenage boys! Are they going to make mistakes--YES but I refuse to beat them up about it. It happens. And we are darn lucky to have the players and coaches that we do.

whats_going_on 8 years, 3 months ago

I still don't get how MU and KSU fans are so conceded right now. We still beat KSU three times in their most winningest season. And MU didn't show up to any of the games either...not a chance in h*** of getting to the final. Get off your high horses. Not saying they have to be sad as we are about the loss, but good grief, its not like either team beat us, in regular season or the tourney..............

As for the game, I thought we looked lazy and we expected to win it no matter what. N Iowa was a Top 20 team, we should have come more prepared. (They probably also should have been ranked higher, but that is neither here nor there) Still don't understand the fascination with Tyshawn...he sucks, hands down. I'll say it until my face turns blue (or he shows me that he, in fact, knows how to rebound and not just stare at the ball with his mouth hanging open, make a 3, or not trip over his own feet as he's trying to defend the ball running BEHIND the offensive player) Sad to see Collins and Cole go (is it bad to hope he'll stay?) and eh, don't know about X...not quite ready for the NBA, but I'm assuming his ego will get the best of him, even if he sits on the bench making money next year. Can't wait to see Reed play next year, he's awesome. Anyway, sad day, can't wait for football season :-D

Rich Noever 8 years, 3 months ago

NavyVet, I hope you made more rational decisions when and if you were in the Navy

mapdude 8 years, 3 months ago

I really feel for the KU fans right now. This is a painful loss, especially in the 2nd round as the overall #1 seed. I can relate to your pain.

You see, how you as the Jayhawk nation feel right now, is how I felt in 2008 as the perfect storm blew through San Antonio and cost my team a national championship.

Hurts, doesn't it? Well, now it's your turn. You can suffer like we did.

Jüstin Mössman 8 years, 3 months ago

This was terrible,... to watch. UNI hedged ball screens all game perfectly and sherron and the other guards just flooded the lane (which is exactly what UNI wanted) they took ugly floaters and forced up guarded threes. not to mention they have acted all year like their Talent could carry them and not their HEART!!! Xavier goes weak for rebounds and shoots jump-shots from 1 foot from the basket!?!?! I don't understand (just lay it, in or dunk it). This is and NBA style team. Dump the ball to Cole, slow down and let him work/pass out of double-teams in a half court set. Or play a press against a scrappy unathletic team and let the horses wear them out!!! don't just stand around and let the game come to you. it just frustrates me that so much good talent was wasted this year yet again. against a team that has no business winning. because this team lacks HEART thats reall tough to say because i am a die-hard fan. But it is the truth. and sometimes the truth hurts

Kontum1972 8 years, 3 months ago

well they knew who the BIG problem would be...aLi akbar or what ever his name is..and they did nothing to box this kid out...every time the ball landed in his hands it was a 3...i love the hawks..but they fell on their own basketball hand grenade and blew themselves out of the arena. I appreciate all the team did ....

what puzzles me is why ......he managed to get off all these shots with no real way to kill him with denial...cut the head off the snake and let him die a slow death... oh well....there is next year...Thanks Kids...god speed and good luck to the future endeavors in your u seniors....enjoy the future's ride.

Denny2009 8 years, 3 months ago

Self is a Davidson three pointer away of having absolutely nothing but a collection of embarrasing early exits in the tournament.

Terry Jacobsen 8 years, 3 months ago

Hmm Tigerforlife.... Guess your team is out of the tournament without getting to the sweet 16. I'll still take our season and our coach and team over yours any day, any time. The only surprise here is that Missouri even got into the tournament.

shadowbox66044 8 years, 3 months ago

To the coaching staff and players of the University of Kansas : : Thank you for a wonderful season and the many wonderful wins. I'm sorry for your loss and your early exit from the tourny. I wish you all the best and please keep your heads high, you've all done a great job this whole season. Thank you Sherron for the last four years and I'll be cheering for you in the next level. Rockchalk Jayhawk!

xdisciple 8 years, 3 months ago

The problem became clear to me during the first round games, which I had the luxury to watch. I did not watch many out of Big XII conference games this year until post season, but when I saw how the officiating crews were calling fouls in other conference tournaments and in the first round of the NCAA tournament, I knew KU was going to get in trouble. The Big XII officials call very loose games. They let big, physical teams play rough ball. That's good for fans, and good for conditioning, but it's not good for Big XII teams in the tournament when we get other crews. .

Whoever runs the officiating philosophy on foul calling in the Big XII-- we need to get more in step with the rest of the country-- at the very least maybe towards the second half of the regular season we can begin showing our players how they're going to be called in the Big Dance, so that by the time of the Big XII post season tournament we can all be playing each other as hard as we can, but not getting away with fouls that WILL be called or playing at a level that's going to get shut down for physicality by outside-conference crews which we will inevitably be playing under.

wildcatjude 8 years, 3 months ago

As I sit here reading all t he comments from KU fans, I'm really puzzled how some could be asking for Coach's "head". What a wonderful year you have had and as an avid K-State fan, I've been rooting on the Hawks all the way. What a great representative of the Big 12 to have everyone think KU was going all the way. I wasn't looking forward to the 4th rematch between the Cats and Hawks but Indianapolis would have been full of crimson & blue and purple and would have been a wonderful atmosphere and a great way to show the nation what the Big 12 is made of. Glad to see Baylor and hoping Texas A & M makes it to as they lead as I'm typing this. KU just got beat by a better team yesterday but no doubt, KU will be back again next year and look forward to their success (of course not against the Cats). I want to be a little selfish.

wildcatjude 8 years, 3 months ago

As I sit here reading all t he comments from KU fans, I'm really puzzled how some could be asking for Coach's "head". What a wonderful year you have had and as an avid K-State fan, I've been rooting on the Hawks all the way. What a great representative of the Big 12 to have everyone think KU was going all the way. I wasn't looking forward to the 4th rematch between the Cats and Hawks but Indianapolis would have been full of crimson & blue and purple and would have been a wonderful atmosphere and a great way to show the nation what the Big 12 is made of. Glad to see Baylor and hoping Texas A & M makes it to as they lead as I'm typing this. KU just got beat by a better team yesterday but no doubt, KU will be back again next year and look forward to their success (of course not against the Cats). I want to be a little selfish.

kandddickerson 8 years, 3 months ago

Seriously, after the season KU has given to their fans, you'd be pretty ungrateful to blame them now. And besides, the NCAA tournament is more about luck than anything else. The team needs our support now more than ever before. If you are the kind of fan that blames them when they lose instead of supporting them through a tough time, you should be a K-State fan! KU doesn't need you! Thanks Sherron for four great years. You will always remain in the hearts of true KU fans! And Bill Self, you are the greatest coach ever! I am so over Roy! It is the sum of the season that makes a team, not the last game!

bballer 8 years, 3 months ago

Great outlook Kandddickerson but lets face it- all we'll be remembered for is just another crushing early exit from the tourney from a scrappy grade-B team. It's now securely stamped as our reputation. Funny how you'all ignored my comments above. We ALL should have higher expectations with the players we take into each new season. So many of you feel the same way - we came a long way to climb half of Mt Everest - lets just head for home and be happy we got this far. Maybe it's contagious and thats why our players & coach keep letting us down? Our fans are so supportive and happy with our season domination they dont even get that upset when we fail in the 2nd round. "Oh well, there's always next year...ho hum".

disclock 8 years, 3 months ago

If you KU fans were not so arrogant the rest of the year, this would not be nearly as much fun!! Rock Chock!!!

Arizonafan 8 years, 3 months ago

This is a note to Clay Wethy: Hey Clay, so hows your Kansas career going since you left The University of Arizona? Your Mommy wanted you to leave Arizona 'cuz Lute Olson wasn't going to be the coach. Arizona was kind enough to let you off the hook so you wouldn't have to sit out a year. Even though you stated you were going to cheer on Kansas against your current teammates when UofA played Kansas last year.

So instead of being man enough to keep your committment, you had Mommy make a decision you were to leave a near sure starting position at Arizona only to ride the Kansas pine all season long. At the end, Mommy and you watched helplessly as Kansas lost early in the tournament to some directional Iowa school kicking the favored national championship team out of the tournament. Karma-karma-karma.

Best to Mommy and you.

UK2K81 8 years, 3 months ago

Keep your heads up, Jayhawks. You'll be back. You have a great coach and a fine school. Don't listen to haters - we've had a little practice with that ourselves, lately...

Mike Skiles 8 years, 3 months ago

Hey arizonafan, I guess I missed the seed and schedule for when your Arizona team played....?! Oh yeah, you didn't recieve an invite. Congratulations on your classy comments ignoramous!, you certainly have put your fan base in a positive light (not).

And why is it that we have KSU, Mizzou, Arizona, Kentucky, and other fans who have nothing better to do that to visit a Kansas message board with their negative and dimwit commentary?

Sounds like childish jealousy, or perhaps inferiority complex defensive posturing?

Rock Chalk Jayhawks!

bigdave 8 years, 3 months ago

The only sweet 16 KU's b-ball team was working on this year was the girls in there dorm room!!!!

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"For the most part we are talking about teenage boys! Are they going to make mistakes--YES but I refuse to beat them up about it. It happens"

Don't enter the tournament then. Other teenage boys know better. KU was an embarrassment in the NCAA tournament. Period.

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"The fact is the players were outplayed and Self was out coached by an inferior program. This loss is humiliating for everyone and Bill Self and his players will be the first to say so. With this much talent, KU should have breezed to the Final Four."

Exactly. And Self is to be blamed for how our players approached the game.

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

This is how the KU feat was depicted at national level. What an embarrassment!

• Kansas is the first No.1 seed to lose before the Sweet 16 since Kentucky and Stanford both accomplished the feat in 2004.

• It's the 13th time a No. 1 seed of any kind has lost in the second round, and third time it has happened to the Jayhawks.

• Northern Iowa is the first Missouri Valley tournament champion to reach the Sweet 16 since Indiana State in 1979.

• The Panthers also became the first MVC team since 1962 to defeat a top-ranked opponent

Austin Bergstrom 8 years, 3 months ago

Seriously Jayhawk fans get a grip! These kids and coaches have given their heart and soul to our program! Think about the commitment they have made for the past year and maybe you will understand the tears they shed after such a heartbreaking defeat! Its real easy to pass blame but in reality UNI played harder and wanted it more which makes March Madness so MAD!! Remember Jayhawks...its not how you fall but how you get back up! Already looking forward to Late night and the run for #7. Rock Chalk Jayhawk Go KU!!!

amesn 8 years, 3 months ago

Arizonafan how embarrassing it must be to come on here and talk crap on a player KU doesn't even have on its roster...JEFF WITHEY thank you very much is a great addition that in time will see playing time but is probably better off learning from the experience of someone like Cole Aldrich then to come right out of the chutes!

touchmySELF 8 years, 3 months ago

i am thankful that sherron is GONE...i have been suffering through this season of pompous playing and close calls because our point guard is the BIGGEST BALL HOG and believes he is the 'SHOULDERS of SUPPORT' for a team that needs selby or knight. sherron will be playing D league or following his twin MATEEN CLEAVES: 'Cleaves appeared for the Fayetteville Patriots and the Bakersfield Jam of the D-League, also playing abroad with Russia's Unics Kazan and Greece's Panionios BC. In 2008, he played with the Denver Nuggets in their pre-season, being waived before the October 29 tip-off.

i cannot wait till next year when Aldrich (the Mark Eaton of college basketball), Sherron 'Mateen' Collins and (hopefully) the human 'X' factor, ZA-vee-ay Henry disappear. coach will bring us back when he gets the prima donna's of the floor and bring in the players (morris boys/reed/taylor)...RAWKCHALK!

we will be back and coach will lead the way..BYE BYE SHERRON, COLE AND (HOPEFULLY XAVIER) AND GOOD RIDDANCE...

MSgal 8 years, 3 months ago

Ah man... My heart was set on the team winning the national championship... but oh well it's a part of life... you win some and lose some... Jayhawks it was a great season.. Thanks for keeping the basketball road exciting... I enjoyed every game... Bill Self rock on... We got next year... Can't wait

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"UNI played harder and wanted it more... "

That's why KU was the biggest NCAA embarrassment. That's why Self was an embarrassment

Linda Endicott 8 years, 3 months ago

Ah, such fair weather fans...

Actually, oz, you're a bigger embarrassment for Kansas right now...

Thanks for a great, exciting season, and better luck next year, KU...

Some people will still be fans, whether you win or lose...

Gosh, I was a fan in the early 80s...when nothing much happened...and I'm still a fan...grateful for the two NCAA championships we've had since then, and grateful for the chance to try again the next year...

justsmile2day 8 years, 3 months ago

Hey tigerforlife, how is that ride back home, haha.. Yep misery is out, but what is new.. Always remember one thing you will never ever be as good as KU, we could stop playing basketball for five years and you guys still wouldn't match us. So when you have the BANNERS AND CHAMPIONSHIPS TO BACK up your weak smack talk, give us a shout.. Win or lose we still love our crimson and blue!!!!

sherronisbeast 8 years, 3 months ago

thanks sherron fr all the great memories you will greatly be missed please convince cola and X to stay please you are a legend here at KU rock chalk

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

'Actually, oz, you're a bigger embarrassment for Kansas right now...'

Why? For telling the truth?

Linda Endicott 8 years, 3 months ago

No...for being a poor loser...

Good sportmanship means not only being a class act when you win...but also when you lose...

They already know they didn't play the last game with their full potential...they don't need someone like you to point it out...

Doesn't mean they're not disappointed...just like I'm disappointed...but you get over the disappointment and move on...

And if all you're capable of being is a fair weather fan, then perhaps you'd be happier moving on to root for a different team...

The rest of us here would be relieved by that, too...

Bill Self managed to do something that Roy Williams never did during his years at KU...he won a national championship...

wcc2000 8 years, 3 months ago

Self and you self lovers are pathetic. I said years ago, we should never have hired this LOSER. I am ashamed to be a Jayhawk this morning.

Graczyk 8 years, 3 months ago

You re-posted another's comment in its entirety, wcc2000? I mean Lawrenceguy40. I mean troll.

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"No...for being a poor loser..."

You are correct. Being a KU student I feel like a poor loser.

That does not mean that I will not support them next year. But the fact is we were the embarrassment of the NCAA tourney.

ribbet 8 years, 3 months ago

This was a very beautifully coached game by N. Iowa and fun to watch!

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"Bill Self managed to do something that Roy Williams never did during his years at KU...he won a national championship..."

Yes, keep dreaming about that. Self can make all the mistakes he wants. According your opinion all his mistakes are justified because of the national championship. And we must worship him forever.

Gregory Newman 8 years, 3 months ago

Haha been tellin yaw all season the fastest group of guards not allowed to dribble drive like Northern Iowa or kentucky or every other team in the country. That stupid switchin defense don't work against 3pt shooters been sayin that to. Give it to the bigs who don't move around at all. Did you see how K-State bigs moved around in that zone. I learned that at Central Junior High under Danny james. Great players with a 50's offense. If any of you high school guards expect to make pro don't go kansas you'll play with a bit in the mouth and reigns jerkin your neck

Linda Endicott 8 years, 3 months ago

You don't sound like much of a fan to me, oz...

I don't worship any coach...but winning a national championship is an accomplishment to be proud of...

Don't you think so? Not that many coaches have managed to do it...

lawdog 8 years, 3 months ago

((((((((Hugs to you Sherron!!!))))))) Thank you for all those memorable moments on the court and for that winning smile!

The negative comments that post here on this public site DO NOT REPRESENT those of us who are KU FANS! They're always going to be haters in this world we live in, nobody pays attention to what they have to say........

You have a winning team Mr. Self and you are a person who is very well respected in this Lawrence Community! If no one else has said this yet on this post ....then...........I will 'Thank you' and 'Thank you KU Men's Basketball team'!!

kuphillyjim 8 years, 3 months ago

first, i need to stop letting a bunch of college age kids get me so worked up...its just a basketball game.. i need to reserve my rage for the idiots in congress.

i for one am not shocked to see KU out early, though this loss is extremely disappointing..for all the talent, this team had issues that were evident all season despite the great record..from reading the SI article a couple weeks ago, you could see Self had these same concerns

it is amazing to me that KU apparently thought Northern Iowa couldnt beat them and didnt come out ready to play, after the Lehigh performance..that NIU could outrebound them, and that KU couldnt take advantage of its size advantage, is pretty embarrassing...

overall though, while the big schools have more athletic talent, i see these schools like NIU, St. Mary's and Cornell playing better fundamental basketball and outexecuting the more talented teams, and that is actually a great thing to reminds me of the 91? KU team that made it to the finals with guys like Randall and Pritchard, where the Jayhawks would just go out and out-hustle and out-execute the other team rather then relying on 5 mcdonalds americans.

I still like coach self, but wonder how things would be if Memphis didnt miss all those foul shots back in 2008.

two final questions...what the heck was Tyshawn Taylor doing on the floor in the final minutes (and taking a 3, ugh), and what has Xavier Henry done or accomplished that makes him NBA ready? give me a break

jbiegs 8 years, 3 months ago

HOW 'BOUT THEM WILDCATS!!!! K..........S..........U..........WILDCATS

deathwalker 8 years, 3 months ago

We here in Iowa are REALLY SORRY we screwed up your NCAA Championship plans..... (HA HA HA HA HA!!!!) Oh, BROTHER!!! You guys must REALLY be hurting right now!!! I feel your pain.... The Jaybirds laid an egg on National television, got smacked by a team they thought they would role like a bum in an alley!!!! Oh, the sorrow!!!

oldvet 8 years, 3 months ago

The Hawks played exactly like an NBA team... 35 minutes of no intensity, going through the motions, followed by 5 minutes of intensity... meanwhile, Northern Iowa played 40 minutes of high-intensity basketball...

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"but winning a national championship is an accomplishment to be proud of..."

I am proud of the 08 ntl champ. Just not proud at all of the '10 NCAA tourney debacle.

ozfan 8 years, 3 months ago

"Mr. Self and you are a person who is very well respected in this Lawrence Community! If no one else has said this yet on this post ....then...........I will 'Thank you' and 'Thank you KU Men's Basketball team'!!"

Yes! Thank you for a national embarrassment!

puddleglum 8 years, 3 months ago


what where you saying about the sweet sixteen? that's what I thought. Go back to columbia, have a slice of shakespeare's pizza and repeat after me: tyus edney isn't real, tyus edney isn't real, tyus edney isn't real...then wipe your tears on your national championship banners.... oh yeah-you don't have any. sorry dawg.

Deathwalker: congratulations on your biggest win ever. Just savor it for as long as you can, because it is all you are ever gonna have. Get back to me once you've won a couple of championships. Well, I guess get back to me once you've won anything other than a missouri valley conference.

lawdog 8 years, 3 months ago

"Mr. Self and you are a person who is very well respected in this Lawrence Community! If no one else has said this yet on this post ....then...........I will 'Thank you' and 'Thank you KU Men's Basketball team'!!"

"Yes".....Thank you!

snowcat2 8 years, 3 months ago

The #1 tournament seeding and the #1 ranking in the polls doesn't win any basketball games. You still must play each and every game. And while it is unusual for a #9 seed to beat a #1 seed, it is not unprecedented. There is a lot of incentive for a lower seeded team to take out the higher seeded teams, as the lower team doesn't have anything to lose. In Saturday's game Kansas was flat. They didn't have the fire in their game that was needed to take control as everyone expected. Take the above information and see if you can avoid getting knocked out of next year's tournament in the second round.

OutlawJHawk 8 years, 3 months ago

NavyVet--Your posts still remain imbalanced and dillusional and are now being removed by the LJW. Looks like your post traumatic stress needs further treatment...find a VA Hospital soon. Best wishes.

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