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Disturbing tie

March 4, 2010

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To the editor:

As a runner, I have tried to support the city by paying to run the annual Shamrock Shuffle 5K. I received my race information in the mail and discovered this year’s race is starting at the Flamingo Club; all race activities will center on the Flamingo Club.

The association of the Flamingo Club with our city’s St. Patrick’s Day events has always been disturbing. According to lawrence.com, an informational World Company Web site, the Flamingo Club is a “nudey joint.” According to this same Web site, lap dancing is available at the Flamingo Club. As a result I will not participate in this year’s race; I will not go inside the Flamingo Club.

I hope more runners will feel as I do and not participate in this year’s Shamrock Shuffle. We need to stop tacit support for a business that dishonors women. As a father of a daughter, I cannot show any support for a business that uses daughters in such a crude manner. It’s time we send a message to the organizers of the St. Patrick Day events: Sponsorship of events by the Flamingo Club is not acceptable. This is not being prudish; it is holding an organization responsible for its actions and those willing to call it acceptable.

Comments

kansastruthteller 4 years, 1 month ago

I will run the race again next year and I hope it is at the same location. I couldn't imagine a better location to start and finish the race.

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whatifeelfyi 4 years, 1 month ago

I have been blessed to have known Wes for many years. He befriended me when I moved to Lawrence. He, Nancy, and Melinda are my friends and have my deepest, heartfelt respect and love. They are good, caring people who reach out and try to help others and have always touched my heart. Kudos to everyone that supports this parade and works so hard to better others lives.

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eljefe 4 years, 1 month ago

How Ironic. We signed up BECAUSE it was at the Flamingo. We're dissapointed it's not listed on the shirt.

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Rich Noever 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey MJ, I wouldn't worry too much about your daughter as long as you are spending money on her education and not on her tats for her neck and rings for her nose.

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sara82 4 years, 1 month ago

I have done the Shamrock Shuffle for a few years now and I have to say this year was the best!!!!! Parking was an ease, no crossing busy streets to get to the levee. Also there was a ton of parking so that made it very nice. The registration was supper easy to! Instead of one line with 2-3 people trying to register EVERYone, there were several lines. The best part was actually The Flamingo......Usually after the race you go inside and enjoy your free breakfast in Johnny's....where inevitably it is sooooo hot, small, and cramped you cant hang out and enjoy what you are there for! This year being at The Flamingo was great, the place was HUGE. They had great comfy chairs, and it was not stuffy at all. Honestly the only way you would know it was a "nudity bar" was the 1 and only gold pole in the corner...Other than that it was a BAR just like Johnny's! My vote is to do it there every year! The only down fall of the day was the condition of the levee....anyone else have a horrible time running? It was so muddy, squishy that I had to run on the side and unfortunately that's where the dogs do their business. Oh well mother nature, got to love her!

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

Multidisciplinary (anonymous) says… "mom of three-...the flamingo, a gentleman's club, ..."

Hey, the Flamingo is closed on Sundays, you know, for family and worship just like Hobby Lobby.

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been_there 4 years, 1 month ago

Not getting into the whole debate, but relating a funny story told to me years ago by a woman I knew. She used to hang out there and pick up guys until one of the strippers decided she wanted her kicked out because "How was she suppose to make any money selling it out the back door if she was there giving it away for free"

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

"...even if you don't run tomorrow, feel free to come out and cheer the runners on..."

We did and it was a fun event.

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pfunk81 4 years, 1 month ago

Glad to see the race went ok without Mark Jarboe's help.
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ScottyMac 4 years, 1 month ago

Final tally: over 450 runners for the 22nd annual Shamrock Shuffle! Great turnout!

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ScottyMac 4 years, 1 month ago

Word on the street is that the race was a success. Preliminary figures show 414 paid runners. And a beautiful morning too. Congratulations to the volunteers for yet another successful event. And congratulations to the winners too.

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kansastruthteller 4 years, 1 month ago

I ran the race today and picked it because my money went to a good cause. I didn't realize the bar was a strip club...I thought the brass poles were put there to help the runners stretch out.

Seriously, everyone has different values and standards and we are free to observe them. Just because the location offends you doesn't make it right to take it out on the charities that need the funding this race provides.

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KSManimal 4 years, 1 month ago

Once again, the religious right uses it's warped sense of moral superiority as an excuse to ignore the needs of needy children.

Professional athletes are paid for the performance of their bodies....in order to stimulate the primal competitive drives within their spectators. Yet, somehow it's immoral for strippers to be paid for the performance of their bodies...in order to stimulate the primal sexual drives within their spectators. Just think how much healthier society would be if people like this weren't constantly telling people that there is something wrong with them, when there isn't.

Pro athletes and strippers...both are paid for the same thing - why do you think that competitive drive exists? It all boils down to sex in the end. But I suppose that logic doesn't work on folks who believe the world is just over 6,000 years old......

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ScottyMac 4 years, 1 month ago

"Thanks for thaking a stand, based on morals and convictions, Mr. Jarboe."

Yes. Thanks, Mr. Jarboe. The Shuffle raises about $8,000 a year. All of the proceeds --every single dime-- is donated to local children's charities. Calling for a boycott of this event is a great way to stand up for your "values."

One of the beneficiaries is Women's Transitional Care Services. They provide support to women and children who are in abusive relationships. Guys like Mr. Jarboe think that the way to help them is to call for a boycott of their fundraising event that, due to construction, will start and end in the parking lot of a "nudey joint." It's called "values."

Another beneficiary this year is CASA. They advocate for children whose parents cannot or will not care for them. But because the Shuffle starts and ends in the parking lot of a nudey joint, these children are unworthy of our support. No, our values are too important.

Family Promise also stands to benefit from this event. They help low-income families get on their feet. Their approach helps 80% of their clients secure housing. They hoped to use the money raised this year to build a playground where children of homeless parents can run and play. But our values will not allow us to help these children this year.

VanGo also hoped to benefit this year. They provide job-training programs to high-need and under-served teenagers. Some may think that, given the rough economy, these kids could use some extra support. But, again, our values are far too important to bother with these kids.

The Lawrence Humane Society hoped to use their share of the proceeds to teach third graders how to properly care for animals. Some would think this is a win-win: The pets benefit from better care, and the children learn responsibility and compassion. But not this year. No, our values cannot allow it.

Never mind that, without the Flamingo's assistance, the race would not have happened this year. Never mind that the Flamingo is not open for business at 8:00 a.m., the time of the race. And never mind that Mr. Jarboe misses the obvious point that he himself is treating women as if they have no agency and are only here to be 'used.' The women who work there choose to work there, but I guess they shouldn't have that choice...

The Flamingo is open over 300 days a year. However today is the day for Mr. Jarboe to stand up for his values: A mild spring morning when thousands of children of our community are counting on us to provide them with love and support.

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jonas_opines 4 years, 1 month ago

"Women fight for liberties, then let men take them away by using them as mere objects."

Take away their liberties? Which way does that go, here? The woman and the man are both objectified here. One as a sex symbol, one as a cash machine. Which comes out the worst, the one who is lusted after for her body, or the one shelling out money to a woman who doesn't care about him?

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purplesage 4 years, 1 month ago

Any group or organization needs to be careful of sponsorships and associations. Apparently, the parade committee had too much green beer to think clearly on this one!

Thanks for thaking a stand, based on morals and convictions, Mr. Jarboe.

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Barclay 4 years, 1 month ago

The city, by associating with the Flamingo Club is demeaning women. Where is a larger outcry? I really, truly don't get it. I never have. Women fight for liberties, then let men take them away by using them as mere objects. Deplorable. Although I am a runner, I will not be running, never have done the Shuffle.

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Barclay 4 years, 1 month ago

The city, by associating with the Flamingo Club is demeaning women. Where is a larger outcry? I really, truly don't get it. I never have. Women fight for liberties, then let men take them away by using them as mere objects. Deplorable. Although I am a runner, I will not be running, never have done the Shuffle.

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Barclay 4 years, 1 month ago

The city, by associating with the Flamingo Club is demeaning women. Where is a larger outcry? I really, truly don't get it. I never have. Women fight for liberties, then let men take them away by using them as mere objects. Deplorable. Although I am a runner, I will not be running, never have done the Shuffle.

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JustNoticed 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey, Mark Jarboe, I hope you also boycott college sports because of the very sexual nature of cheerleading and whatever they call those ridiculous dancers. What's the difference? Not much, maybe a little in degree but clearly, the same prurient interest that you can't abide is the root of the attraction.

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tomatogrower 4 years, 1 month ago

It's funny this writer thought it was ok when the race began at Johnny's where many a college girl has been degraded by more than 1 college boy, but that's ok. She didn't get paid for it. You guys remind me of a bunch of snobs. Yes, I would rather women made their money another way, but if men are stupid enough to give money to women who dances suggestively, then who are the real fools here? I've never been to the Bird, but I appreciate their part in raising money and providing the town with a fun, community building parade. I understand they also have a huge community Thanksgiving dinner too. Lighten up, people.

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budwhysir 4 years, 1 month ago

More than one way to get the old heart rate up. I suppose it may be a little more obvious now when I tell the old lady Im going out for a Jog, thanks for drawing attention to this matter now let me think.....

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ranger7272 4 years, 1 month ago

I am not watching KU sports or supporting anyone from KU anymore because they give "porn stars" tickets for free. Maybe I am in the wrong profession! lol. Hey Coach what do I have to do to get free tickets.

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Multidisciplinary 4 years, 1 month ago

mom of three-...the flamingo, a gentleman's club, ...

Thank you for the belly laugh. The guys I know who go out there..may 'refer' to those types of clubs as 'gentlemen's clubs'..but they are far from the definition of true gentlemen, I don't care what their education, income or bloodlines. hahaha.

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blue73harley 4 years, 1 month ago

Worth repeating -

"Renaissance (anonymous) says… Your claim that the Flamingo Club exploits our daughters is slightly incorrect. I've seen the Flamingo's dancers......they may be exploiting our mother's.....but not our daughter's"

LOL. We used to call the club out on Hiway 40 near Big Springs, "The Natural History Museum" for the same reason.

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gogoplata 4 years, 1 month ago

Where is the "nobody likes __, nobody" guy.

It goes something like this

Nobody likes lapdances, nobody. You get your first lapdance because your dad wants you to...

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repaste 4 years, 1 month ago

Scotty, the bathrooms sign are rather pictorial neon signs, not print... They used to have Sunday poetry slams - back then some of the wall art was a little risque as well. There is a breakfast for runners and families afterword.

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ScottyMac 4 years, 1 month ago

"They going to cover up the neon bathroom sign during the breakfast? Might be a few curious kiddos. Strip club is one thing, having the families in to eat is a little much. "What do the do here Mommy? Which bathroom do I use?""

Huh?

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repaste 4 years, 1 month ago

They going to cover up the neon bathroom sign during the breakfast? Might be a few curious kiddos. Strip club is one thing, having the families in to eat is a little much. "What do the do here Mommy? Which bathroom do I use?"

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powershopper 4 years, 1 month ago

Mea culpa. Apparently there is another Irish on here.

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powershopper 4 years, 1 month ago

I may be stepping into this conversation a little bit late but I would like to respond to Irish's statement encouraging people to stay away and donate to another charity.

Irish, aren't you the same person who was ardently defending the local stripper blogger "Anna Undercover" last week? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

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powershopper 4 years, 1 month ago

I may be stepping into this conversation a little bit late but I would like to respond to Irish's statement encouraging people to stay away and donate to another charity.

Irish, aren't you the same person who was ardently defending the local stripper blogger "Anna Undercover" last week? Please, correct me if I am wrong.

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flyin_squirrel 4 years, 1 month ago

Wes and the late Mike Jones asked the city about starting a St. Patricks day parade when one of their friends from Ireland asked why Lawrence didn't have a parade. The city said it wasn't interested, so Wes and Jonesy had their own parade. Their parade started at the Bird, which Wes owns, and end at Jonesy's bar at the time, the Jet Lag. The original parade consisted of one vehicle pulling a trailer with lawn chairs on it, and about all 10 of them got on the trailer and drove slowly to the Jet Lag waving to everyone. Each year, the parade grew a little, until the City decided they wanted to NOW be a part of it.

Stories like these are what makes Lawrence unique, and you have no idea how much Wes has done for this community. He doesn't ask for attention, but should so people would be grateful for his generosity. One example of his generosity is years ago a friend who worked at New York Elementary School told him how sad it was that some of the children going to school didn't have hats or gloves in the winter. Wes, without anyone asking, showed up the next day with boxes of new hats and gloves for any/all students that needed them. And at that time, he could barely afford his own hat and gloves...

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Megan Green Stuke 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh, people. We've been having a blast with this parade and its surrounding activities for YEARS. The parade ends at the bird and we've been dragging our costumed butts around the parking lot, drinking beer and taking photos for what seems like a lifetime. It is CHARMING. It is part of what our town is about. We have a good laugh about things we know are harmless and we do some good for some kids in the meantime. I should hope we could all continue to have our traditions, our laughs, and move on.

There's one in every bunch, I guess. Wah, wah, wah. I'll bring some diapers to the bird for the big babies who can't see a good thing through all their moralistic blowhardness.

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ComradeRedRooster 4 years, 1 month ago

What? The dancers don't wear burka's?

The only thing we should see is the eyes, EYES, not a whispering eye!

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mom_of_three 4 years, 1 month ago

Much ado about nothing. I think its great that the flamingo, a gentleman's club, is helping support local charities, especially those that benefit women in need. I am sure the flamingo is not the easiest job in the world, and I am not going to judge anyone.

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ranger7272 4 years, 1 month ago

just want to state the obvious, there wont be any strippers at the bird during the time of the 5K run or the parade. No one will be exposed to any thing inappropriate during a charity event for children. It is a location. Roger never said the Bird has only been involved with the parade this yr. Wes is the founder of the parade, its always been involved but this is the only year the Bird has been used for the 5K because of the construction. For the people out there who say you wont particiapate or dontate just because of the location, whatever! You probably wouldn't have dontated anyways. The children thank you.....

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gatekeeper 4 years, 1 month ago

Lynn731 (anonymous) says… Then I guess you won't get a lap dance? I don't expect anyone holds a gun to the head of the dancers and says get to the Flamingo club. They work there because the money is good. It is a legitimate business, just like any other business in the county. I hope you stay away, that way I can get more lap dances. Thank you, Lynn ///////

I find it amusing that you you're happy to pay for a lap dance, but b*tched on the article about visitor spending going down about not being able to afford a $20 hat.

"Lynn731 (anonymous) says… Not surprising when you look at some of the prices charged at downtown shops. The other day we went shopping downtown, and we were amazed at the prices. We couldn't afford to pay the $ 20 for a baseball cap."

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mickyd01 4 years, 1 month ago

BrianR, I think there are other people that should be much more concerned about their permanent internet postings.
But, I never should have posted it simply because we have gotten off the subject. The subject was the venue for the Shamrock Shuffle not the evils of alcohol. Maybe everyone should stick to the point of Mr. Jarboe's letter. Hopefully next year the intersection in front of Johnny's will be open and the Shamrock Shuffle will return to it's original venue and hopefully nobody is impressionable enough to let Mr. Jarboe influence them into not supporting these worthy charities this year simply because of the temporary change in venue. And let's thank God we live in a society where they are free to decide for themselves whether to participate or not.
Once again, thank you to the St. Patrick's Day Committee for relocating the Shamrock Shuffle this year instead of cancelling it.

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

Micky, perhaps you should get a clue before posting something on the Internet, you realize it stays there forever, don't you?

You must not get out much if you actually believe that all major charitable fund-raisers in Lawrence serve alcohol.

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

Free pizza at work. no way I'm missing that!

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

micky, I think that might be the root of Brian's post; I know it was for mine. Not that this 5k Run necessarily promotes drinking, but that the entire holiday is really a giant drinking festival, and many other fund-raisers do bring in the alcohol (because they know it attracts people). Even though alcohol is the root cause of terrible violence towards people.

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ScottyMac 4 years, 1 month ago

@AreUNorml:

Why not lunch today?

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

I recommend that several of us get together at the Flamingo Club tonight on a fact finding mission. We will get to the bottom of this issue if it takes every $1 & $20 bill that I have!

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mickyd01 4 years, 1 month ago

BrianR, I am guessing that you mean St. Patrick's Day in general when you say "this fund raiser". I only say that because the Shamrock Shuffle is a 5K run not a pub crawl.
One, alcohol has long been associated with St. Patrick's Day we didn't start that in Lawrence. Two, you must not get out much. I don't know of a major charitable fund-raiser in Lawrence that does not serve alcohol.

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Lynn731 4 years, 1 month ago

I have never been to the Flamingo Club. With all the furor about it from the liberals I may just visit. it, if it is non-smoking that is. Thank you, Lynn

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

It is more disturbing that this fund raiser is associated with alcohol than it is being associated with nakedidity. More women are put at risk because of alcohol than probably anything else.

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ScottyMac 4 years, 1 month ago

You all realize that it's not "business as usual" at the Flamingo during parade events, right? There are no naked people. Not at the Queen Coronation. Not at the Texas Hold Em. Not on parade day. And not at the Shamrock Shuffle.

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75x55 4 years, 1 month ago

But those are Irish lapdances, with lots of scratchy wool trousers and heavy hobnailed bog-trotter boots. Not much repeat business, I'd guess.

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whats_going_on 4 years, 1 month ago

So they needed a building that will function well for the event, so what. Its not as if there will be strippers there giving you a congrats as you cross the finish line (well maybe there will, but not nude ones, anyway).

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

beo, i think Roger was trying to say that the run is a little different this year. not the parade.

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Cait McKnelly 4 years, 1 month ago

The cultural dissonance of the St. Patrick's Day Queen being crowned at the Bird always did make my head hurt. I really think the owners of the Flamingo should have seen this coming a long time ago. No one denies that the Bird has been instrumental in raising a great deal of money for local charities. But the fact remains that as time has gone by and the parade has become bigger and bigger people were going to start questioning the source of that support. Larry Flynt giving a million dollars to Children's Miracle Network is one thing. CMN in turn advertising for Hustler would be quite another. If the owners of the Bird want to continue to support the parade and it's related events in the interests of charity that's fine. But if they don't start backing off and making that support less visible people are going to start turning away as this LTE writer has done. In the long run that hurts the very charities they state they support.

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

I would be less concerned about this event (holiday/parade) revolving around a "nudie joint" as I would at all the alcohol consumption that the event embraces.

Mark, are you afraid that you'll see a naked breast? is it a morality issue with you. I heard a rumor that someone named God invented those naked breasts. I'm not sure how he would have done something so immoral...

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ilovelucy 4 years, 1 month ago

Thank you to all of the positive posters on this site. It really does my heart good to see that people understand our main goal of each and every parade, which is to raise monies and awareness for local children's charities.
To everyone on this site...even if you don't run tomorrow, feel free to come out and cheer the runners on... The runners appreciate audience participation. Chef Ben is preparing a great breakfast buffet to follow the run, and we will ask for a slight donation at the door if you'd like to eat. Why are we asking for that? To benefit the charities, of course. This is a tought economic climate for charity right now. Every dollar we raise will go to help those who need it. If you can't attend the parade, why not consider coming to Slow Ride on the 13th to watch the procession of Harleys leave for the Poker Run? It's an awesome sight to see 100+ bikes take off. Or stop by the Jet Lag at 4 ish to welcome the riders back from their trip. Come out to the Flamingo on the 14th for the annual Queen Coronation. We have 5 girls who have worked their tails off over the last 2 months and who all deserve to have the title. Most importantly, come to the parade on March 17th!
Folks, we have worked hard and have grown every year. If you read our Proclamation, you will see that one of our bullet points is "to have a good, old fashioned and fun parade to promote the well being and camaderie of the community." Thanks to Chuck Soules and the City for understanding that it is important for us to continue over the bridge and visit the residents of north Lawrence. Hope to see you at one of the upcoming events. Thanks to all of you for your support!!

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flyin_squirrel 4 years, 1 month ago

I guess to your point then, I will no longer use the internet or purchase Sunflower Cable because they exploit women by allowing porn sites and XXX movies to be viewed/purchased.

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OonlyBonly 4 years, 1 month ago

You know a real "Disturbing Tie" is the red one with Santa Claus and Snowmen on it!

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grammaddy 4 years, 1 month ago

Nobody forces those girls to dance there. They make good money. You prudes who won't contribute to the children's charities need to grow up!The Shuffle usually begins and ends at Johnny's but with all the roadwork, that was not possible this year. As long as the money makes it to the right place, who cares where the race begins or ends.It's for the kiddies!!

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mickyd01 4 years, 1 month ago

Let's stick to the point here. Mr. Jarboe is bent out of shape because the Shamrock Shuffle is starting and ending at the Flamingo this year. The Shamrock Shuffle in the past has always started and ended at Johnny's and I am sure will do so again next year. This year for obvious reasons Johnny's is not logistically possible. So, Mr. Jarboe, don't participate this year. That is your right. But don't encourage people to penalize these charities because of your personal feelings. If you knew anything about Wes and the Flamingo's involvement with the parade events you know that certain events and times are considered "family time" meaning no topless women.
Beobachter, this is the first year the Flamingo has been involved in the Shamrock Shuffle NOT the parade. Get over yourself.
For those of you that understand the big picture and what the parade committee has provided for the community the past 23 years thank you and I hope you continue your support. For the rest of you, be sure you have all the facts before you open your mouth. I thank all those involved in the parade committee past and present. Slainte!

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jonas_opines 4 years, 1 month ago

"being legal doesn't make it moral, or right!"

But it does make all three often totally arbitrary.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 1 month ago

The parade is not about dancing women and will have nothing to with dancing women unless money is being donated to the art center for a scholarship dance class fund.

This parade is about a fun way to raise money for very very good reasons. So let's not drag this parade through the mud simply because one has misunderstood ideas about the parade and the Flamingo Club.

I've attended this parade several times. Never never have I seen one dancing flamingo girl....not even once. Oddly enough some of my marching companions have been women with some quite strong attitudes about women's rights. Yes women have the right to dance nude if they so desire..... so what. No doubt there are men in the audience who are rude but that's the fault of the men NOT the women!

Women abuse may be a real concern but it truly isn't coming off that way.

Then there is always the subject of rape on KU campus because men misunderstand women and/or because they have gotten away with it before. This is a subject that deserves a ton of our attention. Does the new designated "safe path" have lights yet or have more lights been designated for the dark dark streets immediately surrounding campus? WHAT EXACTLY is KU doing about this?

If we want to discuss female abuse we can always look at the naval academy where women are groped because men seem to think that is their right. Or there are a lot of women who get raped in the military and the men walk way because it is about the image of our armed forces.

Female abuse comes in many ways. Medical Insurance giants charge more for females on a policy and it seems women pay more for clothing. THEN there always wage abuse against women in the world of business.

What about domestic violence?

ABSOLUTELY it's OKAY if the owner of the Flamingo Club wants to provide a means to raise money for local charity.

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Matthew Herbert 4 years, 1 month ago

Your claim that the Flamingo Club exploits our daughters is slightly incorrect. I've seen the Flamingo's dancers......they may be exploiting our MOTHER'S.....but not our DAUGHTER'S.

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

Disturbing tie.

Controversial.

That's a scream.

Here's a disturbing tie: http://www.zazzle.com/psycho_bunny_tie-151130018799384289

Nakedidity! GASP!!

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Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 1 month ago

@ beobachter - I understand your concern of where the event takes place. I don't understand how posting a link about the St Patrick's Day Queen's crowning makes your point. They are two separate events held at different times, days, and places (normally).

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jenniflip 4 years, 1 month ago

@ 10:35 p.m. Sigmund (anonymous) says...

"I suggest that next year you hold the event at a less controversial place. Probably work out better for your charity. That way those that want to get drunk with strippers can do that separate from your charity event and everyone will feel free to participate."

Umm...

The race typically begins near Johnny's Tavern, a "less controversial place." Due to construction and the closure of the levee around Johnny's, the event had to be moved. The Flamingo --thankfully-- stepped up to make sure the event could go on as usual.

If you want to fantasize about a drunken breakfast with strippers, you have the right. On Saturday morning, there will be some drinking, and there will be some breakfast. But, mostly, a lot of runners will donate a lot of money to local children.

Unfortunately for you, the strippers won't be there. Not at that hour, anyway. Come later.

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

"the dancer at the Flamingo who dance partially nude, sure its legal, and she makes money doing it. does the making of money somehow make the act less degrading of her "

Is it less degrading if she does it for free? How about if she does a little more for dinner and a movie?

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

In related news, as a dog owner, I can no longer support the humane society.

Jesus, you people need to lighten up. Don't go in the club if women scare you. Also, pray your daughter makes as much money as a typical stripper.

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 1 month ago

the above comment I hope will also be read by Chris Merrill of 'the Voice of Merrill' KLWN.

[see if the mention of the other medium gets this post pinked?]

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 1 month ago

Missi and others responding to Sigmund and Beo and the letter writer: you are falling into a very muddy trap ethically.

you are saying that the ends justify the means. we have prosecuted politicians who acted this way.

I agree that St. Pat's parade and the Shamrock shuffle have been wonderful for our community.

however, do we want to say to our young people [who are watching us] that it is okay to cut the ethical corners when it results in something we define as "good?" in fact, cutting the corners can start to make that "good" look not-so-good.

indeed, you are mistaken to tie this so closely with the dirty bird. don't do it next time.

now, some of you say why criticize something that's legal. another ethical muddy trap: being legal doesn't make it moral, or right!

the dancer at the Flamingo who dance partially nude, sure its legal, and she makes money doing it. does the making of money somehow make the act less degrading of her

american history has many times held things as legal we now view as immoral. right now it is legal for a 17-year-old to dance as a stripper in Iowa because it is supposed to be "art." some bizarro legal decision makes it moral then? or even "right" for your 17-year-old daughter to dance as a stripper in a joint that sells alcohol?

no, no, and no.

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Sigmund 4 years, 1 month ago

missi (anonymous) says... "In fact if you have been in Lawrence any amount of time the parade has ended there for years! If you cant see past your predjudices and realize the amazing work being carried out by these indiviuals then I promise you it will be your loss!"

If you would like the widest possible participation next year inclusive of those with very different and diverse values then I suggest that next year you hold the event at a less controversial place. Probably work out better for your charity. That way those that want to get drunk with strippers can do that separate from your charity event and everyone will feel free to participate.

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nudist 4 years, 1 month ago

I absolutely agree. It is just disgusting to even think of stepping foot inside the Flamingo Club. People have walked around in there with their dirty parts exposed.....sick!

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riverdrifter 4 years, 1 month ago

Wes,

Tell Kurtis he needs to avoid the Bird until after April 5th.

Just sayin...

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bearded_gnome 4 years, 1 month ago

hey runners!

the top of the levee is muddy! very muddy-squishy in many places. be prepared!

no, I'm not kidding. it is really muddy. from 8th west, the walking surface has been torn up by the equipment working on the dam f good luck with the run! ix.

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missi 4 years, 1 month ago

Dear Mr. Jarboe and beobatcher- I would like to speak to you as one of the local childrens charities who has been on the receiving end of the St. Particks Day Parades generosty! I was one of there charity recipients 2 years ago! I would have not been able to stay in business without them! The experience I encountered with this paticular group was amazing! Their hard work starts months in advance to the actual parade! Many fundraising activities are planned and carried out by loving , caring, generous volunteers who participate out of the kindness of their hearts! The committee has raised over a half a million in the last 23 years that all went to LOCAL Needy Charities! As far as the Flamingo being involved in the festivities I garuntee the strippers wont be present for the shuffle! The owner of the Flamingo Wes has done many wonderful things for the Lawrence community! From sponsoring great groups like the St Pats Committee to feeding the homeless on holidays! We should be thankful to have them both! As far as Mr Browning trying to explain things to you he never said that the Flamings involvedment was new! In fact if you have been in Lawrence any amount of time the parade has ended there for years! If you cant see past your predjudices and realize the amazing work being carried out by these indiviuals then I promise you it will be your loss!

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missi 4 years, 1 month ago

Dear Mr. Jarboe and beobatcher- I would like to speak to you as one of the local childrens charities who has been on the receiving end of the St. Particks Day Parades generosty! I was one of there charity recipients 2 years ago! I would have not been able to stay in business without them! The experience I encountered with this paticular group was amazing! Their hard work starts months in advance to the actual parade! Many fundraising activities are planned and carried out by loving , caring, generous volunteers who participate out of the kindness of their hearts! The committee has raised over a half a million in the last 23 years that all went to LOCAL Needy Charities! As far as the Flamingo being involved in the festivities I garuntee the strippers wont be present for the shuffle! The owner of the Flamingo Wes has done many wonderful things for the Lawrence community! From sponsoring great groups like the St Pats Committee to feeding the homeless on holidays! We should be thankful to have them both! As far as Mr Browning trying to explain things to you he never said that the Flamings involvedment was new! In fact if you have been in Lawrence any amount of time the parade has ended there for years! If you cant see past your predjudices and realize the amazing work being carried out by these indiviuals then I promise you it will be your loss!

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missi 4 years, 1 month ago

Dear Mr. Jarboe and beobatcher- I would like to speak to you as one of the local childrens charities who has been on the receiving end of the St. Particks Day Parades generosty! I was one of there charity recipients 2 years ago! I would have not been able to stay in business without them! The experience I encountered with this paticular group was amazing! Their hard work starts months in advance to the actual parade! Many fundraising activities are planned and carried out by loving , caring, generous volunteers who participate out of the kindness of their hearts! The committee has raised over a half a million in the last 23 years that all went to LOCAL Needy Charities! As far as the Flamingo being involved in the festivities I garuntee the strippers wont be present for the shuffle! The owner of the Flamingo Wes has done many wonderful things for the Lawrence community! From sponsoring great groups like the St Pats Committee to feeding the homeless on holidays! We should be thankful to have them both! As far as Mr Browning trying to explain things to you he never said that the Flamings involvedment was new! In fact if you have been in Lawrence any amount of time the parade has ended there for years! If you cant see past your predjudices and realize the amazing work being carried out by these indiviuals then I promise you it will be your loss!

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 1 month ago

Worth repeating: “ 28 March 2009 at 6:40 p.m. beobachter (Anonymous) says… Ok, I'm done, you don't need to ban my account, I won't be back.” ;)

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thebcman 4 years, 1 month ago

Jeebus ... you prudes need to lighten up and have a nice fruity popsicle.

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Sigmund 4 years, 1 month ago

Raider (anonymous) says... "Mr. Jarboe, Beobachter, I challenge you: If you choose to not support the parade and its events because of your political views, that's fine. It is certainly your right to do so. But please don't ignore needy children in this county just to push your own political agendas."

And I challenged you. If you really want a greater participation to "help needy children" and not simply to promote "The Bird", pick a less controversial site next year.

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somebodynew 4 years, 1 month ago

Well, if someone is just figuring out this parade was connected to The Bird, they must be new in town. The inception of the parade was connected to both the Bird and The Jet Lag (started in one-ended in the other), and I think the organizers were either the owners or the frequents patrons of both.

It seems that St. Pat's day has always been about drinking and having bars participate just seems natural (although probably not favored by a lot of folks). And I do agree Wes has done a lot of things for this community that he does not get credit for.

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paulette2 4 years, 1 month ago

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Esq2eB 4 years, 1 month ago

When is this thing? If this moron who wrote the letter doesn't understand charity and the true meaning behind these runs doesn't want to show his support, I will run in it. I already planned on doing the Hospital Hill, Trolley Run, and Kansas Marathon...might as well add this one.

Then get breakfast and a lap dance. They are so much better when I am sweaty and she is crying!

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

And Roger a direct cut and paste from your own web site. The first parade route was from 501 N. 9th street to 6th and Florida which is the route from the Flamingo to the Jet Lag Lounge. The current route for the parade is through the downtown business district. Line up begins at South Park in Massachusetts Street and ends at 501 N. 9th across the Kansas River Bridge

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

I like lamp dances. Why is everyone upset about attending one?

Stimulus, Transformation and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

I like lamp dances. Why is everyone upset about attending one?

Stimulus, Transformation and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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Starlight 4 years, 1 month ago

: a person who is excessively or priggishly attentive to propriety or decorum; especially : a woman who shows or affects extreme modesty.

Prudish and priggish : one who offends or irritates by observance of proprieties (as of speech or manners) in a pointed manner or to an obnoxious degree.

I find it obnoxious to dismiss the charity because of your twisted panties.

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

Never mind Roger. This LJW link easily proves you wrong. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/mar...

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cowboy 4 years, 1 month ago

Whats the matter with you folks ? Get a life for god's sake. This organization and the sponsors including the Flamingo club have done more for this community than any other organization in town. You have no idea how much volunteer work it takes to pull off the parade , raise all the charity money , put on the auction , and arrange the Shamrock run just so unnappreciative pompous a$$es like you can run up the levy. The work by hundreds of people begins many months in advance. The Flamingo Club has been host for the Queen events and no there are not any strippers there during that time. You should take your time to write a letter thanking the many volunteers that make this a wonderful day in Lawrence each year instead of whining . I suggest you stay home and throw a major pout. No one will miss you either !

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Raider 4 years, 1 month ago

We wouldn't have a St. Patrick's Day Parade or the related events if not for the dedication of the parade committee members who donate countless hours of their time, businesses and money year in and year out. Regardless of where the parade begins, ends, or what it passes by, the ultimate goal of this committee is to support the organizations who help make life a little brighter for some of our younger citizens.

The whole reason the parade and its related events were founded 23 years ago is to raise funds to support LOCAL children's organizations in Lawrence/Douglas Co. Yes, we have a lot of fun along the way, but at the end of the day we do what we can to raise much needed monies for those who need it most.

Mr. Jarboe, Beobachter, I challenge you:

If you choose to not support the parade and its events because of your political views, that's fine. It is certainly your right to do so. But please don't ignore needy children in this county just to push your own political agendas. I urge you to take out your checkbooks and donate directly to this years recipients. That way worthy charities won't suffer simply because you disagree with an event venue.

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

Roger, I think the Flamingo has been involved for a lot longer than just this year. If so you claims that construction made their involvement necessary does not ring true. Care to prove me wrong?

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 1 month ago

I think it would be better if everyone sent money to a charity of their choice and stayed away from the race. I agree totally with the letter. I think the excuse for having it there are specious at best Yes, I am a prude and rather proud of it actually.

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ahhs 4 years, 1 month ago

The Lawrence St. Patrick’s Day Parade is a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization that not only organizes the St. Patrick’s Day Parade but its many dedicated volunteers raise funds to support local charities that focus on the health, education, and welfare of young people in our community. The money it raises comes from generous contributions made by our friends and neighbors that support our causes. It is local money for local charities. Many of the wide range of charities we have supported over the years would not have survived or been able to accomplish their projects without our support.

Your implications that your donation to enter the 5K Run somehow supports the city or the “city’s” parade are incorrect. Your assumption that you would be required to go into the Flamingo Club is also incorrect. The registration the morning of the run will take place in the equipment building at 501 N 9th, which is owned by the Flamingo Club. The parking lot will be the starting and ending point of the run. There will be a free breakfast available inside the club for those who are interested and participate in the run but there will also be fresh fruit and drinks available outside for participants. You are in no way obligated to eat or go in.

Your statement that the Shamrock Shuffle 5K Run centers on the Flamingo Club is also incorrect. Our run centers on the Kansas River levee. There are only a limited number of facilities in North Lawrence that can accommodate 700 or more people, parking, and reasonable access to the river, not to mention breakfast and shelter.

Due to the construction at the Kansas Turnpike’s bridge and at the Bowersock Dam our access to the levee is limited so; the decision to move the venue was made. The owner of the Flamingo offered his facilities free of charge to support our cause. For you to disparage those who donate and discourage others from participating is within your right of free speech but misses the point of charity.

Neither the kids, nor anyone else will be exposed to anything inappropriate. Wes has done and continues to do more for the community than some who are in a position to do more. He offers his place of business and asks for nothing in return. We appreciate him and glad he is there for us. We have some activities there and respect everyone’s right to participate as they are comfortable.

The number of entries we have received so far are on a pace ahead of last year when we had 617 runners. We appreciate your continued support and look forward to seeing everyone Saturday morning.

For more information about this event and the other activities sponsored by the St. Patrick’s Day Parade please visit our web site http://lawrencestpatricksdayparade.com or email: info@lawrencestpatricksdayparade.com

Roger Browning, Chair Lawrence St. Patrick’s Parade

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

Exact reason I avoid parade and all events connected is where it ends.

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Lynn731 4 years, 1 month ago

Then I guess you won't get a lap dance? I don't expect anyone holds a gun to the head of the dancers and says get to the Flamingo club. They work there because the money is good. It is a legitimate business, just like any other business in the county. I hope you stay away, that way I can get more lap dances. Thank you, Lynn

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Christine Anderson 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey, alright! High time we hear from a male who sees it this way. Kudos.

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