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Police investigating death of 25-year-old Lawrence man at The Oread hotel

Lawrence emergency workers put up a tent on a second-floor deck at The Oread hotel, where they were investigating a death Tuesday morning. Emergency dispatchers said the death appeared to be from a fall.

Lawrence emergency workers put up a tent on a second-floor deck at The Oread hotel, where they were investigating a death Tuesday morning. Emergency dispatchers said the death appeared to be from a fall.

June 8, 2010, 8:04 a.m. Updated June 8, 2010, 3:29 p.m.

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Man dies from fall from Oread hotel

Law enforcement officials work the scene at the Oread Hotel, where a 25-year-old Lawrence man died from a fall Tuesday morning. Enlarge video

Lawrence police are working to determine how a man fell to his death from an upper floor at The Oread, 1200 Oread Ave.

The Oread hotel

The man’s body was discovered on a second floor balcony of the multi-level hotel about 7:15 a.m. Tuesday.

Police Sgt. Matt Sarna later identified the victim as a 25-year-old Lawrence man. His name is not yet being released, pending notification of family members.

Police could be seen throughout the hotel most of the morning as detectives tried to piece together what happened.

“The victim’s prior background and activities leading up to the event will need to be thoroughly investigated in order to determine the circumstances surrounding the event,” Sarna wrote in a statement released Tuesday afternoon by the Lawrence Police Department.

Crime scene investigators with the Lawrence Police Department wrapped up their on-site investigation at the hotel on the north edge of the Kansas University campus Tuesday afternoon.

The last of the police left the hotel with a brown evidence bag about 1:30 p.m. Tuesday.

Neither police nor officials with The Oread would say which floor the man fell from or whether alcohol was suspected in the fall.

Those who live nearby the hotel, which opened in January, said they weren’t surprised by the tragedy.

“When it was built everyone thought, oh, when’s the first one going to happen,” KU graduate student Kristen Cowan said. “Just having it be so tall and having access is just sort of inevitable, I suppose.”

No one has said whether the victim was a guest or employee of the hotel.

“These types of investigations proceed at a methodical pace and subsequent information may be released as the facts become known,” Sarna said.

Officials with The Oread declined to comment about the incident but released this statement: “The Lawrence Police Department is currently investigating an incident at The Oread, and we are waiting for their report,” General Manager Nancy Longhurst wrote.

Anyone with additional information about the incident is encouraged to call the Lawrence Police Department Investigations Division at 830-7430 or Douglas County CrimeStoppers at 843-TIPS.

Check back to LJWorld.com for more information on this story as it develops.

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whats_going_on 4 years, 6 months ago

boy that hotel is just starting off rough isn't it :

Soap 4 years, 6 months ago

first day of summer school - coincidence??

TheBigW 4 years, 6 months ago

Maybe a stupid B.A.S.E. jumper, I know few of those.

yankeevet 4 years, 6 months ago

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whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

I can't believe they would build a hotel like that by campus anyway. That place is not safe. There are to many balconey's and so much liquor, and right there by KU. I wonder if the hotel has any idea who even comes in and out? It's truly a sad situation.

whatadrag 4 years, 6 months ago

you're right, they really should get rid of the balconies, and probably the windows too--cement them over so nobody can break through em. While they're at that, they should quit allowing people to go above the 3rd floor.

Uskadelig 4 years, 6 months ago

I could be wrong, but I thought the balconies were only on the top three levels, which are condo residences anyway. There's the fifth floor terrace, but they have to shut that down at 10PM or something... whatadrag, I'm with you. How about we put leashes on the folks that want to go on the terrace, just in case patrons get any wild ideas...

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

So true! Some people are not responsible at all!

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

The person may have been working out there. Isn't there still construction on the upper floors?

Sheryl Wiggins 4 years, 6 months ago

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BruceWayne 4 years, 6 months ago

agree 100%. someone has died here.some of these comments are way out of line.

BruceWayne 4 years, 6 months ago

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BruceWayne 4 years, 6 months ago

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Wendy magillicutty 4 years, 6 months ago

surely you didnt expect reasonable or respectful comments here, on the ljworld online community.

somedude20 4 years, 6 months ago

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KUKRU 4 years, 6 months ago

In case you all have forgotten these grounds are already haunted by the ghost of Yello Sub's past!! Poor Justin Emmons. He will at least have company now.

BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

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whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

I don't understand why the builders of the hotel wouldn't think about possibly enclosing the upper balconey where the bar is located, to help prevent falls. Im like everyone else, Im not sure where or what has happened because all of the details are not out to the public yet. But this is sad and scary to think that people can be up that high with possible dangers and the owners don't think about others safety.

meggers 4 years, 6 months ago

There are already building codes in place to address public safety issues. There is only so much a property owner can do to protect people from themselves. Just look at how many suicides are committed by jumping off of skyscrapers, bridges, etc. No enclosure is going to prevent that if the person is determined.

Not that I'm at all implying that this incident was a suicide. I'm just pointing out that blaming the design of the building, or the building's owners seems a bit premature.

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

I hope it is a premature thought for there sake. And I hope they figure out what happened. Sending prayers for the family, for there loss!!

Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Relax and have a popsicle, para. It's a cool and fruity treat on a spring day.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 6 months ago

Is this a conglomerate of bars or a hotel?

Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

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svenway_park 4 years, 6 months ago

The same mayor perhaps who removed paranormal from his service on the city historic resources commission. The same historic resources commission where paranormal would seek professional employment from the same people who appeared in front of him on various projects?

trollkiller 4 years, 6 months ago

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Erin Graham 4 years, 6 months ago

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killjoy 4 years, 6 months ago

People underestimate the effects of too much cell phone (tower) radiation. It makes changes in the brain and...

acelin 4 years, 6 months ago

I bet it was a suicide. Probably someone working for the building or a company contracted for the building that knows that the roof doors are unlocked.

svenway_park 4 years, 6 months ago

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KU_Dude 4 years, 6 months ago

Who are you talking about because you are obviously not talking about yourself?

svenway_park 4 years, 6 months ago

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KU_Dude 4 years, 6 months ago

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svenway_park 4 years, 6 months ago

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somedude20 4 years, 6 months ago

"Death at The Oread Hotel" sounds like a really bad book or a really bad movie starring some British people.

Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 6 months ago

I've seen "The Shining". I don't like hotels with ghosts...

whatadrag 4 years, 6 months ago

why do other sources always have more info

Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 6 months ago

Cuz this paper is weak! The only "Sports" they cover is KU...they even get scooped on that!

Jonathan Kealing 4 years, 6 months ago

Fox 4 had that information before us because they were four hours behind us on reporting the story. You get different information based on when you talk to law enforcement. When they called, they happened to get the age and gender, which we posted just a few minutes later.

Amesmb 4 years, 6 months ago

The Topeka paper still doesn't have anything about it. But I'm sure when they do, the responses won't be any more tactful than some of those here.

Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 6 months ago

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kansanbygrace 4 years, 6 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

It appears that the disappearededing button got pushed.

Clark Coan 4 years, 6 months ago

The fence on the fifth floor veranda where the bar is needs to be higher to prevent drunks from falling over. The liability is high right now.

Respect 4 years, 6 months ago

I know the man that lies dead on that terrace! Those who would assume to know what has happened and make up trash and hurtful lies, or lay blame on speculation should ask themselves this “How would I feel reading this trash if it was someone close to me?” The world lost a kind and loving spirit today! God please welcome him home and comfort his family!

RHofDC 4 years, 6 months ago

I agree. Bless you to for loosing a friend. I feel so bad about it all.

Respect 4 years, 6 months ago

Have never posted on a blog until today! If one person read and the message got through then it was not in vein.

mom_of_three 4 years, 6 months ago

friends and families always read the posts and then criticize what is written. Do yourselves a favor and skip it. Anyone who wants to give condolences will do so in person and not on an online blog. Peope will speculate outloud and say some dumb things. But dont criticize them for doing so, because you did log on to read it.

shaunepec 4 years, 6 months ago

9070811, When the police release that information, which hasn't happened yet. Typical protocol is to release a name after family has been notified.

Shaun Hittle LJW Reporter

grammaddy 4 years, 6 months ago

Horrible! My heart goes out to his family.

jemerson 4 years, 6 months ago

I can't believe how insensitive some of these comments are..anyone can die at anytime from a tragic accident..some of you sound as though you are already dead INSIDE! Get a life.

brujablanco 4 years, 6 months ago

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Sigmund 4 years, 6 months ago

Oak (anonymous) says… "On what level is a death amusing?"

When it rises to the level of a "Darwin Award?"

slowplay 4 years, 6 months ago

Although death is not amusing, it is interesting and humans have always treated it with dark comedy. This is a news blog, not a funeral home or even an obituary.

RHofDC 4 years, 6 months ago

Some of you are out of line. My husband was working on the construction there today. He saw this poor man and all the after math. He called me at 8am crying because of this awful tragedy. Some of you should really chose your words wisely. My heart goes out to his family and friends. God bless him. This poor man was working on the hotel too.

JRS 4 years, 6 months ago

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ModSquadGal 4 years, 6 months ago

Seriously - some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. First of all, GET YOUR FACTS before you post. Secondly maybe, just for ONE second, think about how you would feel if this was one of your family members or friends. Then trying keeping your mouths shut out of respect. All anyone wants is gory details so they can bash and speculate and berate and be cruel. I expect more out of Lawrence citizens. I hope this man's family and friends are never subjected to the trash being spewed out here, and I hope they all find peace in the aftermath of his passing.

been_there 4 years, 6 months ago

Hug your loved ones and be thankful, it can all change in a second. Prayers for him and his family.

aletheia 4 years, 6 months ago

I agree with ModSquad. Family and friends of this young man are in pain and shock right now. They deserve our respect and condolences, not armchair speculation and callousness. My heartfelt sympathy and prayers go out to this young man's family and friends!

mom_of_three 4 years, 6 months ago

Then stop reading about it and posting! People sometimes make light of the situation and will post the first thing on their minds. THEY ALWAYS DO IT, so why read it and criticize it. It doesn't make sense why people post what they post or others continue to read and criticize.
bu

mom_of_three 4 years, 6 months ago

very tragic, though, for all involved. I, for one, keep waiting for updates. Makes me wonder why someone would be working outside in the rain, but lots of people do.

svenway_park 4 years, 6 months ago

Once again, the pretend archy-tech without a degree is speculating on matters legal.

And we all know from experience here how little he understands about the law.....

What is that, two different identities for him on this thread today?

The LJW should give him full time employment as he official Oread Hotel critic. That's what he has become.

hujiko 4 years, 6 months ago

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igby 4 years, 6 months ago

It's the liquor!

Before, the Nob...ie., Onion, Yellow Sub and Crossing, was a moderate student lounge area. There was beer and food and noise from beer drinkers.

Now, there's roaming droves of drunk, liquored up people coming and going from the hotel all hours of the night. Before they drank beer, now they're all liquored up and drunk.

They park down the hill and walk in to this hotel, as they leave, they walk by doing property damage, ie, kicking over trash poly carts, breaking fences, windows, kicking off mirrors on cars parked in your drive. They're all dressed up and rich looking young people.

I've heard women screaming and people fighting almost every night since this hotel opened.

They have no parking for their employees. There employees park on the streets in front of your house and in your driveway. They walk in to this hotel and leave there cars for hours, while they're working, drinking and whores..yes whores, paid hookers from the city with Missouri plates, all dressed up like Lady GAGA. Lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWxTGJ...

Last month, one of them parked in my drive way blocking my truck from moving, this is a private driveway. They left their car there all night until the next day around 10 A.M.. I called the cops at 5P.M, on the prior day an had the car checked out, it was still there at 10 A.M. the next day. It was a night shift kitchen workers car. The cops said I could have it towed, but I was waiting to see just how long this hotel worked would leave it there to get an idea of just how sloppy this hotel has effected the historic district. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BkGxP...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKlBz6... This is the last straw, this hotel stinks!

redmorgan 4 years, 6 months ago

This is so sad. 25 is way too young to die. My condolences go out to the friends and family of this person.

igby 4 years, 6 months ago

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christy kennedy 4 years, 6 months ago

jkealing, Why does a story at this point even have a comment section? Aside from condolences from feeling people, the lack of information until a future update is just an invitation for (mostly) the usual character's baseless speculation and sick jokes.

Igby, I'm sorry this has been inflicted upon you and your neighbors. We don't have a huge, stone structure blotting out the sun where there was once a nice student gathering place but we do have varying levels of this type of behavior in our neighborhood and it's pretty unpleasant.

igby 4 years, 6 months ago

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Catalano 4 years, 6 months ago

I agree. Cut the comment section, please, Jonathan.

igby 4 years, 6 months ago

I've also noticed that the traffic on the West side, Indiana is in chaos. Traffic get stopped because of the parking door to the underground entry and exit causes all traffic to stop and get blocked when more than one car tried to enter the building at once. This happens a lot because of people bringing their guest to the hotel, they follow them in and you have two cars backing up traffic.

Also, Indiana street is way to narrow there, from the corner at 12th to the stop sign south at 11th. It needs to be much wider for public safety. The only way to make it safer is to eliminate all the on street parking on the West side of Indiana from 12th to 11th and move the sidewalk back on the hotel side of Indiana. It's painful but the federal traffic and safety guidelines do require it. Better fix it now or you'll be in federal court defending the hotel and the city after someone gets rundown and killed.

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kernal 4 years, 6 months ago

Should never have built a hotel there. Plus, it looks really creepy and ugly!

kclee 4 years, 6 months ago

they should probably put security camera's on the balconys. if people dont like it, don't stay there!!

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

I agree with you. They should invest in camera's. I would be suprised if they didn't have them already. I hope the investigators look into reviewing the camera's if they do have them.

BlackVelvet 4 years, 6 months ago

every time there's a tragic death in Lawrence, there are the same insensitive comments here in the forums, and the same outrage/indignation from folks. It's nothing new. It's the same b.s. every darned time. why anyone would be surprised is beyoond me.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 4 years, 6 months ago

Do away with comments when an unresolved death is involved, LJW!!!!

LA_Ex 4 years, 6 months ago

I say do away with the comment section all together. It's just a huge, insulting rumor mill where internet bullies hide behind computer monitors. Rarely is there anything of value ever posted in this section. Family or friends of the victim log in to read what the paper may have to say, then they scroll down and see the comment section. They are then assaulted with insensitive comments and speculation. We truly see the worst of our society here.

If you wouldn't say it to the family of the victim's face, you probably shouldn't say it at all.

Ricky_Vaughn 4 years, 6 months ago

How about you just leave the comments section? You came here of you own free will and you can leave the same way. It's not like you're strapped in a chair and there's nothing you can do.

There's always going to be some insensitivity on these boards...if you don't like it, quit participating!

doc1 4 years, 6 months ago

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Cait McKnelly 4 years, 6 months ago

I'm a bit shocked at the number of comments to this post that have been jerked because of their insensitivity. I have lost family members before but recently attended the funeral of a well loved family member and it's been made fresh all over again. This was a young man who died unexpectedly; left for work one morning and will never return. The shock to this family must be heartbreaking. He may have parents alive and they have to face what no parent wants, the realization that their child has died before them. Funeral arrangements have to be made and it sinks in that their son, husband, brother, friend will never be there ever again; someone in the full bloom of a life cut unexpectedly short. Most of the people who made such inappropriate comments did so because any death of a young one makes them uncomfortably aware of their own mortality. They don't know any other way to deal with their own distress than to make light of it. This doesn't excuse them of the disrespect they have shown. But it does make it understandable. To the family and friends of this young man you have my deepest sympathy and sorrow.

Familyoftheonethatfell 4 years, 6 months ago

Thank you for sticking up for us. We are heartbroken. His MOTHER cannot beleive people can be so cruel and heartless. He left behind a mother, 2 sisters, a brother and 3 nephews and a neice that will forever remember these cruel comments.

cnbhawk 4 years, 6 months ago

There is no credible source of information that states the man was working when he fell. Most likely he fell during the night and his body was found the next morning, although it seems strange that none of the rooms that are next to the balcony heard the man fall, or at least reported hearing the noise The railings are of safe height so it was no accident that he fell from the roof. It makes no sense for people to claim the Oread was at fault for what happened and it seems that most of the people that are criticizing the Oread, have previous biases or grievances with the hotel.

kernal 4 years, 6 months ago

One of the earlier posters stated the victim was working with her husband at the site. As for no one hearing him fall, he may not have cried out and if there was no one in either of the rooms adjacent to the balcony, there would have been no one to hear him, Another possibility is since the walls are insulated and the a/c was probably running, he would not have been heard. Sounds to me as if you have a vested interest in the hotel.

SBerrie 4 years, 6 months ago

The hotel takes very little precaution in safety and security, that is obvious by now. Poor management all around. The construction company is owned by the same family that owns the hotel, hopefully he wasn't working for either.

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

Wow!! That's an eye opener!! And im not being sarcastic.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

Wow, you've had 3 out of 4 posts removed, sberry. I'm thinking the disappeareded sword is hanging over your head right now.

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

Why are there so many deleted posts?

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pagan_idolator 4 years, 6 months ago

Sending my condolences to the family of this young man. I am so sorry you are going through this.

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Newell_Post 4 years, 6 months ago

Judging from the photo of the LEO on the roof looking over the guardrail, it does indeed appear that the rail is of adequate height and strength to prevent an accidental fall at that location.....

nekansan 4 years, 6 months ago

I've been on the rooftop at the Oread for an event and never felt in any danger whatsoever of an accidental fall. I don't think it would be difficult however for someone to climb over the rail if they wanted to. The reports that this individual was working construction do make you wonder if he was somehow working in a manner that made it possible for him to go over the rail.

But as far a a person just walking around up there and accidentally falling over I find that very hard to believe.

whoswho 4 years, 6 months ago

If there are workers such as construction workers out there, they should also implement a sign in and out sheet so they are aware of the workers who come in and out. This policy has been done in various locations for various reasons. I hope they do something!!

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kernal 4 years, 6 months ago

What are you, 15? Not only is your remark rude, but also immature.

scott3460 4 years, 6 months ago

I think it must be said that we've seen exhibited here in these comments is just another one of the hidden costs of our grow at all costs philosophy. The Lawrence I knew and loved at 50,000 residents probably would have reacted far differently to this tragic event. When there is little chance that you will have to own up to the real world consequence of your ignorance, however, it is far too easy to be vicious.

KU_Dude 4 years, 6 months ago

I'm betting that the Lawrence you knew and loved at 50,000 residents didn't have the internet and ability to post comments like they do today or they would have.

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, all we had back then were letters to the editor, and if you didn't sign your real name, it would be tossed in the trash.

Which is where most of these comments belong, apparently.

scott3460 4 years, 6 months ago

True enough, but I think my point is still valid. In a town of 50,000 there was a good chance you'd know this poor boy (or know people who did) and be less inclined to be so callous. And the make a quick buck crowd has imposed another cost they did not pay - beyond the crowding, blandness, clogged roads, unpaid for city services, etc...

RedwoodCoast 4 years, 6 months ago

Haven't been on this site for many moons, but it's obvious that the usual ignorant blow-hards are still thumping their chests, doing what they do best. One knows things are bad when half of the comments posted on a story get censored per the terms of the usage agreement.

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