Letters to the Editor

Historical logic

June 6, 2010


To the editor:

Referencing Mr. Babcock’s letter of June 3 in response to Mr. Bond’s letter of May 29, I was greatly relieved by Mr. Babcock’s historical logic regarding our border definitions and their protection and his constitutional support of the U.S. chief executive’s legal responsibility to ensure that our laws are “faithfully executed.”

For a while there, I was distressed with the notion that, if we followed the premises of the May 29th letter, we would find ourselves obligated to return the original 13 colonies — including all those wonderful coastal lands from Maine down through Virginia — to England. As I recall our history, George Washington and “the boys” gave England a real tussle over that territory as well.

Now, isn’t it wonderfully American to be able to disagree publicly?

Barbara Cook,



Tom Shewmon 7 years, 11 months ago

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jafs 7 years, 11 months ago

Native Americans had tribal governments. Their nomadic and simpler lifestyle was much easier on the environment.

In some ways, I think the world would be better if we hadn't created such complex and environmentally destructive ways of living.

Flap Doodle 7 years, 11 months ago

If you are reading this, you are using the English language, a tool of the White Devils.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 7 years, 11 months ago

I love living in Apologist City! It's so FULL of people who boundlessly LOVE themselves, SO full that anger, angst and sorrow die a slow and miserable death in the gutter of Apologist City unless it arises from the fear of the Apple OGE...

I know. Far out...but that's...for d'autres...duh...not the droids...

Mike Ford 7 years, 11 months ago

I have one for the dumb this morning. In 1790, the U.S. Congress passed the Indian Non-Intercourse Act of 1790, meaning that colonies could not treaty with tribes for land without an act of the U.S. Congress. Guess what, Maine, New York State, Connecticut, and Rhode Island did such illegal things. Even better, the U.S. Government issued them protection from land claim lawsuits from 1790 to 1972. New York stole lands from the Seneca, Oneida, Cayuga, and Tuscarora peoples. Maine stole from the Abnaki, Malicite, and Passamaquoddy peoples. Rhode Island stole from the Narragansett peoples. Connecticut stole from the Pequot peoples. The Oneida and Cayuga peoples pierced the sovereign immunity of New York with the help of the Justice Department and sued for millions of acres of land in the early 1970's. The Miane tribes followed. The Narragansetts settled with Rhode Island in 1978 and the Pequots settled with Connecticut in 1983.

 New York drug it's feet and had racist denialistic land rights groups spring up as the

cases went on for a couple of decades. Then a raging idiot genius, John Roberts, who'd represented the State of Alaska in the Venetie Case of the late 1980's, misrepresented aboriginal land claims laws in the Sherrill V. Oneida Indian Nation Case of the early 2000's, applying Alaska Native land law to the Lower 48, which is entirely different than Alaska due to the Alaska Native Settlement Claims Act. You can't tell a dumblican to abide by the law though. Dummies vote dumblican to take away justice so that the theft can continue unabated and the standard of 1950's dumbness through the republic of dumistan and churchistan can be maintained. And in the end 200 years of land claim law in New York State concerning lands stolen without congressional approval goes on when Justices who clerked under William Rehnquist misinterpret the law. Rehnquist claimed that Indian cases were S$!t cases. Nice.

Mike Ford 7 years, 11 months ago

snap no crackle , halito, chim achuckman, onnat hinli, so hochiffo ut Mike Lewe. nittak ut nittak hollo. nittak ut lashpa fehna. anumpa nokoa haklo li. Sa anumpa was used in World War One as a code langauge by the military. Sa anumpa was here before english or spanish. Sa anumpa named Oklahoma.

Frederic Gutknecht IV 7 years, 11 months ago

"I don't understand the need, nor the desire, to declare wars invalid and return spoils to the descendants of the losers" You ARE tired, aren't you?~)

What IS war? Is it good times for all or is it all about who "wins"? Awesome! I'll be right over for my spoils. KIDDING, and I wish you were....

Generally, war involves a poop shoot lode of property theft, rape, etcetera. I can see that you're totally down with that...and it makes you dull and void...unfortunately...not null and void. You are the unpublic in unpublic TV!~)

Way to go! Go faster!

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

How about if we just dispense with the myth that the US was formed as some sort of divinely inspired exercise in freedom and good will.

The US has really only been slightly better than the Huns or the Nazis in seizing whatever land it coveted, using whatever means at its disposal. And we're still doing it, which is why we spend about as much on our military as the rest of the world combined.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

What's the point? You're obviously so enamored of your hero-myth history of the US that reciting the facts of which you maintain your willful ignorance is pointless.

So stick your head back in its hole.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 7 years, 11 months ago

Despite your contention otherwise, either you haven't read a newspaper in the last 60 years or so or all you read are the comics.

Mike Ford 7 years, 11 months ago

the aztecs, olmecs, mixtecs, tarahumaras, seris, yaquis, mayans, and zacatecas indigenous peoples amongst probably another 500 or so indigenous peoples in mexico who've dealt with denial and denigration of their cultures since Cortez, Pizarro and the rest of the peninsulare thieves throughout meso and south america in the last five centuries.

Richard Heckler 7 years, 11 months ago

Talk about wasting big government tax dollars.... and people are still calling for more stupid ideas. hmmmmmmmmm

"That vision, initiated in 2006 by President George W. Bush, called for a series of networked cameras, radar and communications gear to help speed the response of U.S. Border Patrol officers to catch illegal immigrants and smugglers over the vast border area. However, the effort has been plagued by technical problems and delays with prime contractor Boeing.

Obama officials embraced the program, known as SBInet, on taking office in 2009, setting out a new five-year timetable for completion. However, the administration last month proposed cutting funding to finish SBInet's first phase by roughly 30 percent to $574 million, under new congressional questioning about the plan's feasibility.

In a four-sentence statement, Napolitano said the department will immediately redeploy $50 million of stimulus funds to other technology, including mobile surveillance devices, sensors, radios and laptop computers.

"Not only do we have an obligation to secure our borders, we have a responsibility to do so in the most cost-effective way possible," Napolitano said. "The system of sensors and cameras along the Southwest border known as SBInet has been plagued with cost overruns and missed deadlines."

In a statement, House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., called SBInet "a grave and expensive disappointment."

"Today's announcement is recognition that this troubled program needs better management and stronger oversight," Thompson said, adding that his committee would examine the program in a hearing Thursday.

In recent weeks, Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, criticized the multibillion-dollar contract to Boeing. "I continue to have concerns about this program's implementation," he said in a statement.

The Department of Homeland Security has spent $3.4 billion on border fencing in recent years, completing 640 of a planned 652 miles of fencing and vehicle barriers. Block 1 of SBInet, the technology portion of the plan, was budgeted to spend $700 million to erect about 50 camera and radio towers on a 28-mile segment south of Tucson and a 30-mile stretch near Ajo, Ariz.

The Government Accountability Office, Congress's audit arm, found the government rushed to use off-the-shelf equipment without adequate testing. Boeing initially relied on police dispatching software that couldn't process the vast flow of information streaming from the desert, and technical problems plagued cameras and radar.

SBInet is the federal government's third attempt to secure the border with technology. Between 1998 and 2005, it spent $429 million on earlier surveillance initiatives that were so unreliable that only 1 percent of alarms led to arrests." (BUSHCO = reckless spending!)


Mike Ford 7 years, 11 months ago

dumb country forgets Johnson V. McIntosh where the U.S. Supreme Court sanctified land theft with the Doctrine of Discovery in the 1820's. Theiving Christians "Discover" lands already occupied by 700 indigenous nations and get these lands awarded by above doctrine. Christianity wasn't good for Pueblo people who had their priests tortured and kivas destroyed. It wasn'y good for Pequots or Wampanoags who succombed to the homicidal tendenices of the Pilgrims and the settlers in the 1620's-1670's. It wasn't good for the Munsees who converted to the Moravian faith and pacifism only to be bound and beaten by Crawford's militia at Gnadenhutten in 1782. It wasn't good for the thousands of Native children beaten and molested at Christian boarding schools from the 1870's to the 1960's in the U.S. and clear into the early 1980's in Canada. Christianity destroyed Native culture for centuries. Land theft happened at the hands of religious figures amongst the Kaw, Ottawa, and Munsee people. It's more like Manifest Denial.

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