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Kobach says questions about Obama’s citizenship fair without details

July 23, 2010

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— A candidate for Kansas secretary of state who’s already part of the national immigration debate says President Barack Obama would resolve questions about his citizenship by producing a detailed birth certificate.

A spokesman for Kris Kobach, a Republican and a law professor who helped write Arizona’s new immigration law, said Friday that Kobach gets questions about the issue regularly. Kobach’s latest remarks were Thursday evening, responding to a question during an event at an Overland Park retirement community.

Those comments also came as Tracey Mann, a fellow Republican running in the 1st Congressional District of western and central Kansas, faced criticism over similar remarks. Two newspapers withdrew their endorsements of him this week.

Kris Kobach, a Republican running for Kansas secretary of state, answers questions during a forum in this July 22 photo at the Tallgrass Creek retirement center in Overland Park, Kan. Kobach says President Barack Obama could resolve questions surrounding his citizenship by releasing a detailed birth certificate.

Kris Kobach, a Republican running for Kansas secretary of state, answers questions during a forum in this July 22 photo at the Tallgrass Creek retirement center in Overland Park, Kan. Kobach says President Barack Obama could resolve questions surrounding his citizenship by releasing a detailed birth certificate.

‘Long-form’ certificate

The White House declined to comment Friday but has long dismissed claims Obama was born outside the United States and is therefore ineligible to be president. Obama’s fellow Democrats — and many Republicans — view it as a non-issue.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s birth in their state. Last year, a federal judge in Washington threw out a lawsuit on the issue, saying it was a waste of the court’s time.

But Kobach said Obama could end the controversy by producing a “long-form” birth certificate. Obama’s presidential campaign posted a certificate on its Web site from the state of Hawaii, listing his name, his parents’ names and the date and place of birth.

“It doesn’t have a doctor’s signature on it,” Kobach said Thursday evening. “Look, until a court says otherwise, I’m willing to accept that he’s a natural U.S. citizen. But I think it is a fair question: Why just not produce the long-form birth certificate?”

Kobach faces two opponents for the GOP nomination for secretary of state. Six Republicans are running in the 1st District, and Mann is one of four considered to have a good chance of winning. The state’s primary is Aug. 3.

Kobach spokesman Ben Davis said Kobach isn’t a “birther,” as those who doubt Obama’s citizenship are commonly called. But Davis said Kobach has been getting questions for months, at almost every event.

“It’s not just a small segment of the public,” Davis said.

Kobach’s critics

Kobach’s critics already portray him as an extremist over his role in the new Arizona law, directing law enforcement officers to check the legal status of people they stop for other reasons.

He’s also served as a legal consultant to city officials and state legislators wanting to crack down on illegal immigration.

Last year, the Kansas Democratic Party criticized Kobach after he joked at a GOP barbecue that Obama and God had something in common because neither has a birth certificate.

Kenny Johnston, the Kansas Democrats’ executive director, said Kobach tries to gloss over extreme views.

“I’m sure Mr. Kobach’s clients accept that he is a lawyer without him producing the results from his bar exam,” Johnston said.

Last week, Louisiana Sen. David Vitter, a Republican, said he supports conservative groups challenging Obama’s citizenship.

Mann answered questions about the issue in two recent appearances.

The first was a forum in Elkhart, in the state’s far southwestern corner, which was filmed by an attendee. Mann said Obama should show his birth certificate to “resolve it one way or another.”

In a program Tuesday on Salina radio station KSAL, Mann said: “I think the president of the United States needs to come forth with his papers and show everyone that he’s an American citizen and put this issue to bed once and for all.”

The Hutchinson News and Salina Journal withdrew their endorsements of Mann afterward. The other three leading GOP candidates, state Sens. Jim Barnett and Tim Huelskamp and former congressional aide Rob Wasinger, said they don’t question Obama’s citizenship but his policies.

Fellow Republican candidates said they didn’t see Obama’s citizenship as an issue.

Mann’s campaign did not respond to a telephone message and e-mail Friday from AP, but his spokesman told the Salina paper Mann “misspoke” on the radio and doesn’t doubt that Obama’s citizenship.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 8 months ago

Oh for heaven's sake. It's Tuesday and this was printed last Friday. We STILL aren't over with pounding this dead horse? Somebody, please, give the poor thing a decent burial!

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jstthefacts 3 years, 8 months ago

can't wait till the next free campaign advertisement for Kobach. Wonder what it will be. Maybe something new or more of the same it seems to work.

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BABBOY 3 years, 8 months ago

I refuse to look at this or any blog site on weekends. I have a life.

But, I look on here once a day at work. I used to come on here because I foolishly thought it would give me a feel to how people are thinking. Quickly, I learned that was a waste of time because it really just the same nuts posting over and over. The problem is I enjoy posting so I invoked my one post per thread rule and 5 minute rule meaning no more than five minutes on any site and only two or three newspaper sites and one sports site and nothing else. I sometimes break the 10 minute rule but never the one post rule.

Anyway, I am getting in late on this silly thread about one of the biggest clowns in Kansas politics. Before Koback is done, he will make Kline and Morrison look like geniuses. I know that was different race but Koback wants more then SOS.

Anyway, some of the comments above clearly prove the my rules on posting are wise.

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AppleJack 3 years, 8 months ago

JST: It seems to me that just the opposite is true. It seems that many more Conservatives get their accounts deleted over one instance of insanity while Liberal poster comments may get deleted time and again, but their accounts remain active.

LJW: PLEASE PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THOSE OF US WHO WISH TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO POST HERE. THE TOS SEEMS TO BE INCONSISTENLY APPLIED. SOME POSTERS SEEM TO GET AWAY WITH NAME CALLING, PERSONAL ASSAULTS, AND MALICE FOR YEARS WHILE OTHER ACCOUNTS ARE DELETED AFTER ONLY ONE OCCURRANCE. IT WOULD HELP IF YOU CAN DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT YOU LOOK FOR WHEN CONSIDERING DELETION. HOW MANY CHANCES DOES A POSTER GET? i BRING THIS UP ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE NOTICED INCONSISTENCIES ALONG WITH OTHER POSTERS. THE TOS IS FAR TOO GENERAL AND SUBJECTIVE. CAN WE HAVE SOME CLEAR GUIDELINES?

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jstthefacts 3 years, 8 months ago

Am i the only one, perhaps, who realizes how much the ljw tolerates right wing wacko posts much more than sensible intelligent posts when it comes to censoring blogs? There is a pretty overwhelming imbalance here. Even though this post will likely be removed, it won't matter. To be continued on a blog near you soon . How many repeats of Kobach stories are necessary. Why so many. They keep repeating the same story over and over and over. Why?

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

" That the child is a part of the nation to which his father belongs, if the child is born in lawful wedlock, or to the nation of its mother, if the mother is not married." Foelix

" To what nation a person be- longs is by the law of all nations closely dependent on descent ; it is almost an universal rule that the citizenship of the parent determined it ; that of the father, where the children are lawful, and where they are bastards, that of the mother, without regard to the place of their birth."

" And that must necessarily be recognized as the correct canon, since nationality in its essence is dependent on descent." Von Bar

" Legitimate children, in whatever region or place they may be born, are regularly members of the state of which their parents form part at the moment of their birth" Westlake

" A legitimate child wherever born is a member of the nation of which its father at the time of its birth was a member." Field

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

To sum it up...the following books state Obama is not a natural born citizen as required by the Founders and the Constitution.

  1. Bouvier's Law Dictionary

  2. A Treatise on Citizenship

  3. Vattel's Law of Nations

The Obama supporters and the liberal news media do not want this information known to the public.

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

In a letter to Charles Dumas dated 19 December 1775, Ben Franklin stated the following:

"I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of you edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the Law of Nations"

According to the Law of Nations, Obama is not a natural born citizen.

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

"The true bonds which connect the child with the body politic is not the matter of an inanimate piece of land but the moral relations of his parentage."

Vattel's Law of Nations

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

By the act 1802, " All children heretofore born or hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose fathers were or may be at the time of their birth, citizens thereof, are declared to be citizens of the United States, but the rights of citizen, ship shall not descend to children whose fathers never resided in the United States."

"The rights of citizenship shall not descend to children whose fathers never resided in the United States."

This is important.

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

By the law of nature alone children follow the condition of their fathers and enter into all their rights. The place of birth produces no change in this particular ; for it is not naturally the place of birth that gives rights but extraction." Vattel's Law of Nations.

Vattel's Law of Nations was used by the Founders when they drafted the Constitution.

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pace 3 years, 8 months ago

kobach is riding the crazy winged nut horse. We need a cowboy to wrangle the wingnuts before Kansas becomes the home of the crazies. oops too late.

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

It was the clear intent of the Founders a natural born citizen is born to two citizen parents. The 14th Amendment did not change this.

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

"While the child is under this prescribed age, which varies in different societies, he is of the same citizenship as is the father, by virtue of the father's citizenship." A Treatise on Citizenship

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camper 3 years, 8 months ago

Life is not fair, and no guarantees. So when dim-wits get into high profile positions like Kobach, just shrug it off. Bad politicians and bad preachers are made of the same cloth. They talk too long, and you get spooked by them because you know they got big demons inside of them. In public, stay away from these people at all costs. In the voting booth, just don't vote for them. I know this sounds cold, but the Kobachi's of the world will get by. They have good hair and enough confidence. Plenty of other people are worthy of redemption and they should be saved first.

There is a reason why most men/women are afraid of snakes. It is an internal thing. Probably goes back a long way.

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DraggingCanoe 3 years, 8 months ago

Not all citizens are natural born citizens. To be a natural born citizen is to be born from two citizen parents. It does not matter if Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya he can never be a natural born citizen based on the citizenship of his father.

If a person is born within the walls of a church this does not them a Christian.

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Pepito 3 years, 8 months ago

People who are born in Kansas are Kansans and so forth. Why is cait48 designating Obama by a color? What is it about Democrats and Obama color?

He was born in Hawaii and therefore a Hawaiian. His mother was a Kansan and his father was a Kenyan.

Clever attempt at profiling the Hawaiian cait48.

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Pepito 3 years, 8 months ago

The Democrats are trying to tell the world that Obama is Hawaiian? Really? Hillary says that she has Jewish ancestory, so why not.

Obama is Hawaiian.

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bondmen 3 years, 8 months ago

If the real document exists then explain why Obama's lawyers have spent over a million dollars defending legal questions in court relating to this very document. If it truly existed wouldn't proof of its existence suffice, case closed?

If your dad was a Marxist Kenyan Muslim and your mother a rounder with foreign extremist oddballs and if you were raised in a Muslim school in Indonesia, and tutored by a black liberation theology, America hating loud mouth Chicago preacher, you'd be suspect too, rightly so!

It's obvious to anybody with half a brain that an apparent foreigner is POTUS and that his allegiance is not to America or Americans, proven by his actions and his words (seeing the foreign powers he bows to). Our federal government administration is under the control of foreign, Anti-American interests opposed to the traditions, heritage and freedoms of the American people.

No courts of justice have ruled on the efficacy or authenticity of Barry's birth certificate, they've merely skirted the Constitutional issue by disallowing consideration of it at court believing CONgress ought to bring the issue to the floor in the District of Corruption, an unlikely event while controlled by Democrats.

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Machiavelli_mania 3 years, 8 months ago

Kobach lies, lies thru his teeth, and ran the KS GOP finances into the ground. Why on earth would anyone vote for this 50's throw-back liar?

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mr_right_wing 3 years, 8 months ago

I know this will sound very strange coming from a very conservative right-winger like myself; but we're 'beating a dead horse' here. Your final chance to pressure and even force achy-breaky-burracie (how about that one beatrice?) was while he was still a candidate. He doesn't have to do it now, and he's not going to. Let's move on; there is plenty of other stuff to trash him on.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 8 months ago

I haven't laughed so much in a long time as what I have at this thread. You guys have really been on your game. But it says a lot that the subject has been whaled on so much that it's no longer even taken seriously but has become an object of ridicule. The fact that a candidate for public office even brings it up for serious consideration also makes him an object of ridicule. Unfortunately, the fact remains that he is actually playing to a base that buys in to this BS. (Oh how I love alliteration.) So, what does that say about our state? I honestly don't want to sound elitist (but probably will come off that way anyway so get your barbs ready). The people of Kansas by and large are hard working, sensible people. So why do they believe in such fairytale mythology? Are they really that gullible? Or is it that they want to believe it so badly that they will suspend disbelief? If that's the case, my heart breaks because I see the people of my own state so undeniably racist.

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AppleJack 3 years, 8 months ago

Nurse Ratched, I believe it is time for meds to be delivered to the Lawrence edition of the Looney Left.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 8 months ago

Because they got broken while he was serving his country.

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Jimo 3 years, 8 months ago

Which state issued McCain's birth certificate? Would you be surprised to find out NONE of them? Truth!

Again, a controversy doesn't exist just because someone claims there is a controversy or some liar claims that the sun doesn't exist even while it burns through his retina.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 8 months ago

If Kobach and Browback get elected, and they start requiring that we carry our birth certificates, they are in for a lot of trouble. I'm not going to carry mine around. And I won't show it to any official. Conservatives are such hypocrites. No big government, but "Where are your papers?"

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EJ Mulligan 3 years, 8 months ago

Why does the LJW have to print a story every time Kobach opens his mouth? He is a candidate for KS Secretary of State, that's it. We don't care about all the minutia.

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refudiate 3 years, 8 months ago

Never ask a girl what year is on her birth certificate.

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verity 3 years, 8 months ago

When did Kobach eat a dog? Did he eat it in front of small, innocent children? Is that illegal or just bad taste? ebyrd, you always know the answer to legal questions.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 8 months ago

All he said was that is is not a unreasonable request. He says he does not doubt Obama is a citizen. Just for the record I believe Obama to be a citizen too. His mother was wonderful radical woman from Kansas; He came from a American so he is American. I think Kobach would just like this issue to finally be done.

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 8 months ago

Kernal, isn't that what the President Ablebabbledemigodijad of Iran has been saying? Seems like Kobach is running for election in the wrong country!! In Iran, you only have to agree with the Great Leader (or is that North Korea?) to get into office.

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kernal 3 years, 8 months ago

Mann and Kobach's actions are beginning to remind me of some of the ultra conservative right who believe the holocaust was a hoax.

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jaywalker 3 years, 8 months ago

First of all, this just seems to be more opportunity to pile on Koback; he even says he believes the President is a citizen, just that questions are fair game, much like Mann said last week.
However, the whole thing is silly for one simple reason: If there were ANY real doubt, the RNC would have jumped all over it during the campaign and never let it go; they never would have given up on something like this that could have disqualified such an attractive candidate. The fact this just keeps coming up from the edges with none of the Republican leadership joining the fray speaks volumes to me.

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

cait48 (anonymous) says…

So tell me, Mr. Kobach, when did you stop beating your wife? July 24, 2010 at 2:10 a.m.

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Now that is just silly. Do you think she would let him wear her clothes if he was hitting her? When he has the the garter belt and boustia on, I think he likes it when she spanks him though.

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Randall Uhrich 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't think that Kobach has ever produced his own birth certificate. He should shut up until he does. STFU!

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Boosh 3 years, 8 months ago

ffs would these candidates get a clue. The republicans pandering to the riotous(sic) right will not work any better then the democrats doing the same to the loony left.

We need nerds to run for office. Nerds rule. http://io9.com/5594111/the-sdcc-god-hates-fags-counterprotest-had-the-best-signs-ever/gallery/

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BrianR 3 years, 8 months ago

JHFC on a stick, does Hawaii have to issue a commemorative coin? F-nutjobs abound.

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independant1 3 years, 8 months ago

Boy oh boy, sure wish that reporter had asked Koback "When did you stop beating your wife?"

Then this thread would've blown up the server.

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oldexbeat 3 years, 8 months ago

Beside believing in time machines -- ie, the news items in Hawaii papers from 1961 being from the future -- the tin hats go all around since the same folks often believe in printed English words that tell them their god started the world 6,000 years ago -- all the evidence in/of the world will not change these fools minds. Period.

And those that demand their power back -- yes, the old fat white men -- just ride these fools' backs (say, bare backs) and ride the 'wet' backs, too -- causing any confusion or hate that will get them back in power. Thus, fuehrers like Kobach. And laws like Arizona that he helped write. Fools, fools, fools that vote for these facists, don't you know that you'll be the first ones thrown off of the life boats when they are done with you ?

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 8 months ago

So tell me, Mr. Kobach, when did you stop beating your wife?

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Olympics 3 years, 8 months ago

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SeaBee 3 years, 8 months ago

Jeez, quaquo's post disappeared as I was typing my reply!

sierraclub - my taxes went down last year, but then I'm in the low to middle-class, sorry to hear about yours.

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pace 3 years, 8 months ago

It will never be a settled issue as long as wingnuts and bigots want to wallow in stupidity and lies.

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KEITHMILES05 3 years, 8 months ago

Politicians can go back and forth with the usual political crap but this birth issue has been hashed and re-hashed more times than your mother in laws crappy food.

It is beneath dignity that TWO candidates for state and national office in the state of Kansas have degraded themselves, the state, and the offices they are seeking.

Would it be appropriate if both these nitwits (Kobach and Mann) to show THEIR birth certificates and provide 1000% proof they are natural born citizens and citizens of this country?

The pathetic nature of this discourse is beyond decency which the political office allows. These two guys bring shame to their names and the state.

Stop your nonsense and stop it now!

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 8 months ago

Anything to bring you far-left loons out in full-force is worth it.

May god bless each and every one of you.

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Jimo 3 years, 8 months ago

So we have a candidate that is either (A) so stupid that the State should have a guardian placed over him or (B) is a bald-faced liar unworthy of any office of trust.

As Bill Maher might say: there's a perennial contest for stupidest state and Kansas is always a finalist.

May I suggest that the City's plan to spend $500k on economic development is a wasteful use of diminishing resources? Why would anyone with money want to invest it in Kansas given our poverty of honest, competent politicians?

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beatrice 3 years, 8 months ago

Birthers are idiots. Period.

Next.

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 8 months ago

Don't forget to read http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/jul...

In 2009, Kobach said questions about Obama's birth certificate were "just a joke."

Flip flop much?

Show us your papers!

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 8 months ago

“It doesn’t have a doctor’s signature on it,” Kobach said Thursday evening. “Look, until a court says otherwise, I’m willing to accept that he’s a natural U.S. citizen. But I think it is a fair question: Why just not produce the long-form birth certificate?”

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/23/2103231/kansas-gop-hopefuls-remarks-on.html

You know who else doesn't provide a birth certificate with a doctor's signature? The State of Kansas.

You know who else can't produce the long-form birth certificate? Kris Kobach.

Show us your papers!

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average 3 years, 8 months ago

The funny thing is how many birthers are willing to believe that Obama's mother was Ann Dunham. They have no more evidence for that than anything else, yet most seem fine believing that. Odd.

/ he was hatched from a pod incubated after the Roswell incident

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SeaBee 3 years, 8 months ago

More zany shenanigans from Krazy Kris!

What other wild and wacky antics does this guy have in store for the future?

Kind of reminds me of "Georgy Tirebiter, he's a spy and a girl-delighter!" from Firesign Theater.

"You'll find him popping off at Pop's sodium shoppe".

Kris, you're a wild and crazy guy! Let's party sometime!

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blindrabbit 3 years, 8 months ago

notajay: Not so touchy about Obama and his birth certificate; just more political hot air. The fact that he has a birth certificate from Hawaii and that a Honolulu paper from 1961 post the notice is enough evidence. Many of these posts really relate to the issue of Koback himself and the racist he appears to be.

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notajayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

What's REALLY amusing is how touchy the Dem's and other fawning Barackolytes are over this issue.

Were any of you capable of reading, Kobach did not say Obama was not a citizen. Actually, according to the story (which none of you read, just started posting in response to the headline), Kobach doesn't doubt Obama's a citizen. He simply said that the questions are legitimate until the asked-for documentation is provided, and I agree - while I also believe the weasel-in-chief to be a citizen, it's the failure to provide the information that perpetuates the questions.

A traffic cop has no particular reason to suspect that any of the 20,000 cars that pass him on the highway during his shift are being operated by unlicensed individuals. But when he asks a particular driver for their license, and that driver refuses and insists he does not have to provide anything other than a piece of paper saying he really does have that license (somewhere - really, he does - honest), the cop might suspect something was amiss.

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MyName 3 years, 9 months ago

I look forward to the butt whipping Kobach is courting by going after the illiterate crazy vote in Kansas. I guess he's just hoping people will pick the "R" without paying attention to anything else in the General election. Which didn't seem to help people who actually win statewide office.

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blindrabbit 3 years, 9 months ago

Kris Koback === KK; but KKK is more like it.

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Corey Williams 3 years, 9 months ago

The only question I have is, why are you people still arguing with these loons? The only comments on here should be those from the crazies who still doubt (as if it's some magic bullet that will give the presidency to who? Biden?) and the occasional comment making fun of them. Why should we have to defend the fact that Obama is an American citizen?

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Smalltalk 3 years, 9 months ago

It has been stated that Mr. Obamo gets his US citizenship from his mother.

I would like to hear what happened to his British Citizenship which he got from his father. When and where did he give that up?

This goes with questions about his possible citizenship in Indonesia from adoption by stepfather, and his travel to Pakistan under which Passport?

The questions are really beyond just the difference between a Certificate of Live Birth and Birth Certificate and factcheck.org is not really an accurate source.

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nobody1793 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm afraid this issue will not go away until Obama provides his death certificate.

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flipbackseamonster 3 years, 9 months ago

C'mon all you red-state, god-fearin, immigrant-hating, history-revisin, slack-jawed good ol' boys! Let's pull down our pants and spew venom about the President because we love America! I got MMA on the TV, a puddin pop in my pants, the kids are out back drinking antibiotics out of a hose, and I think the President was born in Switzerland yeeeee-hawwwww!

If this was the greatest economic downturn since the Great Depression, then why is everybody still so fat? Illegal immigration is a function of an economy operating at a high level. Nobody in the US sneaks into Mexico to work, but we would if we could make more money to provide for our families and our God. It's good capitalism. Ronald Regan granted amnesty to 2.7 million illegal immigrants in 1986, get a new hero.

-Sean Hannity?

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oneeye_wilbur 3 years, 9 months ago

I just read about Obama's birth today in the National Enquirer and there is even a photocopy of the paper on the front page. If the NE says it's true, then that is just as good as the J/W saying whatever is true, is true.

Why doesn't Lawrence hold a rally and a march about this issue? Maybe the City Commission should write some letter in support of Obama? Lawrence needs to get involved in this and soon. This is more interesting than a tailgate party.

Shout-Birth Cerificate

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edjayhawk 3 years, 9 months ago

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 9 months ago

I demand Kris Kobach show his papers.

Call me a birther! I am a Kobach birther! Show us your papers, Kris!

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Graczyk 3 years, 9 months ago

Whenever there is a political argument I like to think that both sides are arguing from the same place - deeply held values, well-developed reasons, love of the country, and faith in their fellow man. Even when I don't agree with a person's position, I still try to give them the benefit of the doubt in this regard. I rarely write people off.

Birthers, however, are another story. If somebody makes a birther argument, then I know they are either crazy, ignorant, grasping at straws by pandering to the lowest common denominator of their base. Birthers seem to think that one man, or a small group of people, are capable of pulling off one of the biggest deceptions in history. They attribute entirely too much power to one man. If Obama had that much power he would not have had trouble with healthcare reform or Wall Street reform; but he did. The State of Hawaii has spoken on the matter, and courts refuse to hear the case. Did the birthers ever stop to think that Obama's constitutional qualifications were vetted by the federal government before he took office? There are simply too many moving parts for this conspiracy to hold any water.

Birthers should be aborted.

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jackbinkelman 3 years, 9 months ago

Let's see, he's the President of the United States... I think somebody, somewhere [F.B.I., C.I.A. Secret Service...P.T.A. ... ] has cleared him.... K. K. Keeps 'em, coming!

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Fred Whitehead Jr. 3 years, 9 months ago

President Obama is a U.S. Citizen. He has provided his birth certificate, the news organizations in Hawaii have provided birth information. Only the National Republican Terrorist Party has reason to keep this issue alive. They are still champing at the bit that a black dude got elected to their lily white slate of candidates. They think that somehow they can wreak distruction and damage to the U.S. Government with their outrageous and deplorable behavior and then ask people to vote for them. Witness the idiots vying for nomination to the U.S. Senator's seat in Kansas, Twithart and Moron.

I know that some bothersome ideologues like Kobach will continue to rave and rant, and that the Limbaugh Michigan Militia and Ku Klux Clan will continue to attempt rebellion and violent overthrow of the lawfully elected government, but as in the past, these traitor organizations will fail with their attempts to revive the Nazi party in America.

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orbiter 3 years, 9 months ago

Obama's "great lengths" What are you talking about?

"The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details." source: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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monheim 3 years, 9 months ago

They'll just keep shifting the goal-posts. That's how conspiracy theorists operate. If you don't believe the factcheck.org article on this then you're not worth trying to convince anymore and nothing probably will. Each new piece of "proof" will be met with incredulity and a shifting of the goalposts to something like "Ohh...okay fine, but what about THIS other...thing..."

Also, I heard a rumor that Kobach ate a dog in 1994. I'm not saying he did...but isn't it interesting that it has never come up before? He's never mentioned it or anything? Why is everyone so hush hush about this? Clearly something is up.

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orbiter 3 years, 9 months ago

It is so special how you all posture as though this is not a settled issue, act as though Obama has been ducking all this, act as though you are just really wanting to make sure this gets settled for the good of the country.

Just because you say something is not settled does not mean it has not been settled. Just because you say Obama has been less than forthright does not mean he has been less than forthright. His birth certificate has been verified. It has been scrutinized. The newspaper announcing his birth was found.

You can take off the super citizen capes. Quit acting as though you are protecting the flag. You wish so hard to not be viewed as racists and/or xenophobes, but when you keep peddling this nonsense what are we supposed to think? Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish by continually propagating debunked lies?

I'm sure you have enough to disagree with Obama about. If you are such a great citizen do some work to fix the problems you see rather than running on a hamster wheel of lies.


"I think it is a fair question when a person who is the highest member of our government is less then straight forward on an issue relating to the constitutionality of his office."

"You may or may not like KK, however, his statement is valid and you should at least support the laws of our country. It is our civic duty to make sure our leaders are held to the same laws and standards as the rest of us. Just because President Obama says it's so doesn't mean it is so.

Our leaders should lead by example and that includes President Obama. Lets say you wanted a passport and you did not produce your birth certificate, do you think they would just hand over the passport to you? Not even a chance. Having a passport is certainly not as important as being the leader of the USA."

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kansastruthteller 3 years, 9 months ago

The lack of knowledge of our Consitution by some posters is really scary.

The reason Kobach is not being asked for his birth certificate is because being a natural born citizen is not a requirement for being SOS. It is, however a requirement for being POTUS, hence, just because Obama's mother is a United States citizen doesn't mean Obama is eligible to be POTUS - to be eligible one must be born here.

The birth certificate you see on the internet is just a short version and doesn't contain all of the information the long version does. The fact that Obama has gone to great lengths and expense to protect it suggests that there is information in it that he doesn't want revealed. Does it show he is a natural born citizen - most likely, but there is something there he doesn't want revealed otherwise he'd release it and be done with it.

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kubacker 3 years, 9 months ago

It will be the Honorable Secretary of State Kobach to you. Maybe you could all ask for his autograph at his swearing in ceremony. LMAO!

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Mr_B9 3 years, 9 months ago

lastcall4oh (anonymous) says… You got to love KK...

Kris, quick question for you. Where were Obama's grandparents from? Where was his mother born? I am pretty sure it was Wichita. Doesn't that make her a US citizen? Doesn't that make her child a US citizen?


Even if the answers are yes to your questions that does not make him necessarily eligible. Here is a link to the 14th Amendment. http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

"Republican Kris Kobach says he's not doubting Obama is a U.S. citizen, but thinks questions are fair if Obama doesn't produce a detailed birth certificate."

You may or may not like KK, however, his statement is valid and you should at least support the laws of our country. It is our civic duty to make sure our leaders are held to the same laws and standards as the rest of us. Just because President Obama says it's so doesn't mean it is so.

Our leaders should lead by example and that includes President Obama. Lets say you wanted a passport and you did not produce your birth certificate, do you think they would just hand over the passport to you? Not even a chance. Having a passport is certainly not as important as being the leader of the USA.

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das 3 years, 9 months ago

Kobach and others can eat this one too....with their "Freedom Fries"... http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

....and give it a rest already....

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Eride 3 years, 9 months ago

I think it is a fair question when a person who is the highest member of our government is less then straight forward on an issue relating to the constitutionality of his office.

I don't doubt he is a citizen, I don't even agree with the provision in the first place, but I think Kobach's comment is fair.

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bruno2 3 years, 9 months ago

Let's see, Governor Brownshirt and Senator Raving Lunatic. Wonderful! No wonder many folks choose to fly over Kansas. I travel all the time and constantly have to offer the qualifier that I live in Kansas but in Lawrence, Kansas. A couple of weeks ago, in Montrose, Colorado, the fellow replied, "Oh, the oasis of sanity." Perhaps Lawrence should secede from the State....

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orbiter 3 years, 9 months ago

Here you go, Stormfront clowns: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

blah blah blah.

A Democrat won. A Republican won the two elections before that. Obama has a funny name and isn't a WASP.

If you wanna live in a tribalist country of coups there are plenty out there. Leave. Obama isn't perfect and not a favorite of you Nativists, but he did win the election and he is a citizen. Just because you keep saying the document hasn't been released doesn't make it true. It just displays your own idiocy, and why your sad side is dying.

Yes, a black, son of an immigrant is your president. Ah, I bet that sentence makes you shiver in your clown suit and white hoods. Poor things.

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Cait McKnelly 3 years, 9 months ago

Yadda yadda sameo sameo. Obama is a citizen where ever he was born. His mother was a citizen. What difference does it make? McCain was born in Panama. Shall we harass him for his birth certificate? I like what riverdrifter said. Let the issue dangle and the nutties will out themselves. Except he never did let the issue dangle. http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate Hawaii has certified he's a natural born citizen. The fact that it says "certificate of live birth" and not "birth certificate" means squat. Geez. And you guys accuse ME of being loony.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 9 months ago

What makes this forum absolutely terrific is how the left who went hysterical nine ways to Sunday during W's terms now call the right (who has very legitimate concerns about this radical and fraudulent president) whack jobs, nutcases etc etc. Obama is tearing this nation to shreds. I think he's doing it on purpose. When he said he's rather be a great one-termer vs. a mediocre two-termer, what do you really think he meant? Think about it. If he can dramatically alter the course of this nation for the worse, he thinks he has been great. Any more I say will be construed as racist, so good day.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 9 months ago

Subverting the law and the constitution has really been a specialty of Obama and his people. Chicago gone federal. Al Franken pulled a fast one in MN too. Felons voting, not once, but twice. Coleman lost by 200 votes, and 340 felons voted--some multiple times. If W and a Republican senator and a state's Republican machine and AG had pulled some of the same stunts, the corrupt liberal establishment media would have the stories front and center until somebody did something. You can bet on it. Other than the fact of exactly why Obama (both of them) will not reveal any vital records, what matter is it now, for I know in two and one half years, we will be lifted up out of this very dark abyss.

May God Bless.

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sierraclub 3 years, 9 months ago

why not show his birth certificate? Is Obama trying to hide something? I will glady show him my birth certificate. gee, lawrence, get a grip, just an easy question......oh yeah, sorry, it is bushs fault....lol.....hey, I voted for the white guy.....obama or mcsame???? the white guy....as far as I know, Obama is as much white as he is black.....50/50???? maybe I am wrong....but, I sure like the added taxes.....

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pace 3 years, 9 months ago

we have another Kansas shame,

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BrianR 3 years, 9 months ago

Oh great, another wack-a-doo birther.

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Kyle Neuer 3 years, 9 months ago

There is no question of his citizenship. Go back to counting smokestacks on the moon, Kobach.

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Bob_Keeshan 3 years, 9 months ago

If Kobach was born in Kansas, and I believe he is from Topeka, then the only record he can provide is a certified copy from KDHE.

Why doesn't the press demand Kobach provide the same documentation that is being demanded from Obama?

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riverdrifter 3 years, 9 months ago

Obama is waay too cagey to show his birth certificate. Just let the issue dangle and let the nutties out themselves.

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 9 months ago

Kobach has proved he is a huge idiot.

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jonas_opines 3 years, 9 months ago

Pandering to his base. Nothing to see here.

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John McCoy 3 years, 9 months ago

Great Scott! This guy could run in Texas. He would have plenty of company here, home of Gramm, Dick Armey, and of course Governor Secession Perry. You are probably as embarrassed by your guys as we are ours.

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madcow 3 years, 9 months ago

Can we please pass a constitutional amendment to prevent insane people from running for public office.

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jfcm77 3 years, 9 months ago

Let's see Kobach's birth certificate.

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bennyoates 3 years, 9 months ago

He's addressing the issue because he wants the votes of people who do doubt Obama's citizenship. But unless he starts doubting it, KK can probably forget about their votes. Such sorry excuses for human beings won't tolerate anything less than all-encompassing hatred and disrespect toward the President.

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lastcall4oh 3 years, 9 months ago

You got to love KK...

Kris, quick question for you. Where were Obama's grandparents from? Where was his mother born? I am pretty sure it was Wichita. Doesn't that make her a US citizen? Doesn't that make her child a US citizen?

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RogueThrill 3 years, 9 months ago

Of all the people in Kansas, this is the caliber of individual that will be on the ballot.

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