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Businesses say liquor tax ‘bad public policy’

February 26, 2010, 12:22 p.m. Updated February 26, 2010, 12:44 p.m.

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 Lobbyist Tuck Duncan, representing the Kansas Wine & Spirits Wholesalers Association, testifies against raising liquor gallonage taxes during a meeting Friday before the House Taxation Committee. Duncan used props to show how much alcohol is taxed. Under the proposed legislation, the increased tax revenue would go to social services. The committee took no action.

Lobbyist Tuck Duncan, representing the Kansas Wine & Spirits Wholesalers Association, testifies against raising liquor gallonage taxes during a meeting Friday before the House Taxation Committee. Duncan used props to show how much alcohol is taxed. Under the proposed legislation, the increased tax revenue would go to social services. The committee took no action.

— A proposal to double wholesale alcoholic beverage taxes and use the increased revenue to help fund services for the mentally ill and developmentally disabled was blasted Friday by liquor industry representatives as unfair.

Tuck Duncan, representing the Kansas Wine & Spirits Wholesalers Association, said he supported the need for increased funding for social services, but said everyone should pay.

“It’s bad public policy to earmark taxes, targeting one industry in order to provide something that all Kansans should provide for,” Duncan told the House Taxation Committee.

Philip Bradley, representing the Kansas Licensed Beverage Association, said he hoped the state wouldn’t pit the liquor industry against the needs of social services and education.

Linda Langston, owner of Eudora Wine & Spirits, asks the House Taxation Committee on Friday to reject a bill that would double gallonage taxes on alcoholic beverages. She said increased taxes would send many of her customers to Missouri to buy.

Linda Langston, owner of Eudora Wine & Spirits, asks the House Taxation Committee on Friday to reject a bill that would double gallonage taxes on alcoholic beverages. She said increased taxes would send many of her customers to Missouri to buy.

“We’re not looking to hurt them. We hope they are not looking to hurt us,” Bradley said.

House Bill 2593 would double gallonage taxes, raising $22 million per year, which would be divided between helping community mental health services and providing in-home care for Kansans with severe developmental disabilities.

State Reps. Pat Colloton, R-Leawood, and Kay Wolf, R-Prairie Village, said the tax increase was needed to help offset deep cuts made during the state’s budget crisis.

The state grant to community mental health centers has been cut 65 percent and there are thousands of people on waiting lists for services, officials said.

Mike Hammond, executive director of the Association of Community Mental Health Centers of Kansas, said recent cuts have been devastating. “The mental health system is at a breaking point,” he said.

Dr. Roy Menninger, chairman of the Kansas Mental Health Coalition, testifies in support of restoring funds that have been cut to mental health services. He spoke to the House Taxation Committee on Friday.

Dr. Roy Menninger, chairman of the Kansas Mental Health Coalition, testifies in support of restoring funds that have been cut to mental health services. He spoke to the House Taxation Committee on Friday.

Others testified that people who should be treated for mental illness are being institutionalized and jailed at a much higher cost.

Rick Cagan, executive director of the Kansas chapter of the National Alliance on Mental Illness, said, “Untreated mental illness has deadly and costly consequences.”

Liquor industry representatives didn’t disagree with the need for more funding, but said increasing gallonage taxes would hurt liquor stores and send many Kansans to buy in Missouri which has lower taxes.

Linda Langston, owner of Eudora Wine & Spirits, said the increased taxes would be a hardship on her customers. “My customers are not wealthy,” she said.

The Taxation Committee took no action on the legislation.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 1 month ago

IMPROVED Medicare Health Insurance = Pro Business and Pro Consumer Health insurance! YES!

Here's the deal. IMPROVED Medicare Health Insurance is not a free ride and never will be perhaps with few exceptions.

The fact is IMPROVED Medicare Health Insurance would be paid from the rather substantial tax dollar cookie jars

Since federal, state, and local governments collect trillions in taxes of all kinds—income, sales, property, corporate etc etc this is how medical bills would be paid as it is now.

You see as we speak government tax dollars support the medical insurance industry to the tune of at least $1.2 trillion a year which is quite a gravy train I'd say.

$1.2 trillion is enough to cover the cost of IMPROVED Medicare Insurance for All as we speak

PLUS it is estimated that IMPROVED Medicare Insurance for All will create 2.6 million new jobs.

IMPROVED Medicare Insurance for All restores choice across the board thus eliminating interference from insurance groups

What is covered:

long term care such that cancer demands prescription drugs hospital surgical outpatient services primary and preventive care emergency services dental mental health home health physical therapy rehabilitation (including for substance abuse) vision care hearing services including hearing aids chiropractic durable medical equipment * palliative care

IMPROVED Medicare for all eliminates co-pays and deductibles

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 1 month ago

People want to save money and stop over taxation?

Why not support Improved Medicare Insurance for All that which covers mental health care?

10 Reasons to Support IMPROVED Medicare Insurance for All:

  1. Everybody In, Nobody Out. Universal means access to health care for everyone, period.

  2. Portability. If you are unemployed, or lose or change jobs, your health coverage stays with you.

  3. Uniform Benefits. No Cadillac plans for the wealthy and Pinto plans for everyone else, with high deductibles, limited services, caps on payments for care, and no protection in the event of a catastrophe. One level of comprehensive care for everyone, regardless of the size of your wallet.

  4. Prevention. By removing financial roadblocks, a universal health system encourages preventive care that lowers an individual's ultimate cost and pain and suffering when problems are neglected and societal cost in the over-utilization of emergency rooms or the spread of communicable diseases.

  5. Choice. Most private insurance restricts your choice of providers and hospitals. Under the U.S. National Health Insurance Act, patients have a choice, and the provider is assured a fair payment.

  6. No Interference with Care. Caregivers and patients regain their autonomy to decide what's best for a patient's health, not what's dictated by the billing department. No denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions or cancellation of policies for "unreported" minor health problems.

  7. Reducing Waste. One third of every private health insurance dollar goes for paperwork and profits, compared to about 3% under Medicare, the federal government’s universal system for senior citizen healthcare.

  8. Cost Savings. A guaranteed health care system can produce the cost savings needed to cover everyone, largely by using existing resources without the waste. Taiwan, shifting from a U.S. private health care model, adopted a similar system in 1995, boosting health coverage from 57% to 97% with little increase in overall health care spending.

  9. Common Sense Budgeting. The public system sets fair reimbursements applied equally to all providers, private and public, while assuring that appropriate health care is delivered, and uses its clout to negotiate volume discounts for prescription drugs and medical equipment.

  10. Public Oversight. The public sets the policies and administers the system, not high priced CEOs meeting in private and making decisions based on their company’s stock performance needs.

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm sorry for your loss beobachter

LawrenceRezident, your sermon is characteristic of the evil Christian sermons that are so hated by PADs, in this part of the country/town/electronic Newspaper quilting bees. Although, Your words ring sound. Good fortune to you.

Stimulus, PAD Antistheses and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you all

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

geez Liberty, how about not trampling on my liberty of saying any damned thing I want. Industrial hemp is not a stupid argument, it is one of many extremely useful ways that we as a country can profit from this amazing plant.

Many people don't understand the illegality of marijuana for whatever reasons. I will share as much knowledge as I can in the hopes of opening up at least one persons eyes.

Liberty my ass. liberty for only yourself and only your thoughts.

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

"industrial hemp crops"

Dump the stupid arguments. The only legitimate argument is that it is my body and it's nobody's business, including our nanny-state government's, what I put in it.

Disclosure: I don't smoke pot anymore because it aggravates my agoraphobia. Thank goodness for clonazepam.

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Liberty275 4 years, 1 month ago

Glenlivet is already $50 per 3/4 litre. Do I really need to pay more?

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

lawrenceRezident, unfortunately there are people like barry and the mooch. I've pointed out before that I probably pay more in taxes than they earn, seems I'm working while they are on the forum whining. That tells me all I need to know, By the way mooch, seems you lack balls to respond,my tax bill for this year was $48,791. What was your salary?

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Stuart Evans 4 years, 1 month ago

taxing and regulating cannabis for the estimated 140,000 Kansas who regularly use it, would add millions of dollars to our tax revenue. not to mention the newly available industrial hemp crops that our struggling farmers would heartily embrace. or we could keep blowing that money on law enforcement with no resulting decline in marijuana use, as your dollars flow into Mexico and beyond to prop up dictators who don't like us very much.

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WHY 4 years, 1 month ago

Tax cigarettes, alcohol, lottery tickets,and NASCAR . That way poor people pay for their own social services.

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lawrenceRezident 4 years, 1 month ago

If people don't care about others than maybe those folks should conduct an unbiased self-discovery of what truly constitutes their morality and humanity.... If you can't or won't care about others then maybe if you fall on hard times you (whomever) shouldn't not have the luxury of enjoying those benefits... But wait... There are people like me that do care even for those people that don't... And it's a good thing because without kindness, fellowship, and love for those in your community it would be a much worse place than it is now. I'm not even taking a stance on religion here... Just the basic moral principles that, if enbraced by more, could make the quality of life so much better for everyone... I'm not delusional either... I don't ever think we will reach a euphoric state of existence... But we sure in the heck can try now can't we... Of course.... I would like my whole salary... Who doesn't, but when it helps others and/or our nation fix problems then I'm all for it... And, mental illness is a serious problem that can be addressed if people would stop stigmatizing things...

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

k

Stimulus, PAD Logic, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you

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lawrenceRezident 4 years, 1 month ago

Barry... I make a good salary... probably more than most for the type of work I do... I bet I pay more taxes than you do...

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lawrenceRezident 4 years, 1 month ago

Well there is a difference here... It's alcohol.... Get over it! I'm a drinker and smoker... Don't like it just quit... I can't smoke in a bar now.... Don't like it but I deal with it... I work in MO and get taxed by Fed, KS,MO, and KCMO... Quit bitching and deal with reality

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lawrenceRezident 4 years, 1 month ago

Well there is a difference here... It's alcohol.... Get over it! I'm a drinker and smoker... Don't like it just quit... I can't smoke in a bar now.... Don't like it but I deal with it... I work in MO and get taxed by Fed, KS,MO, and KCMO... Quit bitching and deal with reality

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

"How about people just shut up! Let the state tax it! It's for a good cause!"

lawrenceRezident

Thanks for making my point!

Taxing, 'Taking' money from people is harmful for anyone. PADs will say and do anything to take your money. Thats what they do. They want your money.

They want your money to 'Help' themselves, to 'Save' the Children, to 'Save' the hungry, to 'Help'.........it goes on and on and on and on and on and they will say and do anything to 'Take' money from those that 'Earn' it.

Stimulus, PAD Takers, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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sunny 4 years, 1 month ago

I am concerned about my well being and I am being taxed to death to take care of others and their food stamps, section 8, free cell phone, free health care and all the rest!

sick of it!

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lawrenceRezident 4 years, 1 month ago

How about people just shut up! Let the state tax it! It's for a good cause! Sorry some of you are more concerned about your booze than another persons well being...

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toe 4 years, 1 month ago

How about the state getting out of the liquor distribution and control of retail. Free enterprise any one?

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Jimo 4 years, 1 month ago

"Oh, really, then why are they buying alcohol? This is a want, not a need and should be bought with disposable income after everything else has been attended to."

Only wealthy people buy alcohol? ??????????????

Liquor tax policy is already bizarre enough as a result of this country's schizophrenic history with alcohol. Liquor should be sold with the standard sales tax. Period.

Irish, I'm sure many are thankful for your insight into how everyone else should make their own budgetary decisions but if that's all you've got then please butt-out. Alcohol is no more a "want" than fruit-loops, ipods, white-wall tires, pedicures, or color-treated hair. Unless you'd like to provide a comprehensive list of "wants" and advocate for their special (a/k/a, sky-high) taxation, all you're doing here is revealing a hidden personal bias against alcohol masquerading as an objective rational distinction.

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beobachter 4 years, 1 month ago

mooch, anything or anybody you don't hate?

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Healthcare_Moocher 4 years, 1 month ago

The whole University system is a form of corporate welfare. What is wrong with providing the private sector additional funds to provide employment to those who pay taxes on private money?

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

Why would you want to penalize entrepreneurs that handle Maryjane? It's one of the last bastions of 'Free Market' activity.

Stimulus, Anti-Free Markets, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless you

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edjayhawk 4 years, 1 month ago

Legalize marijuana and tax it.

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BrianR 4 years, 1 month ago

Jonas, that is brilliant. They would think twice before writing some of the moronic bills they write. I vote for this option!

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OonlyBonly 4 years, 1 month ago

"Tax the rich to feed the poor.......Until there are no rich no more" Ten Years After

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yankeevet 4 years, 1 month ago

hummmmmm;;; there is always ice tea.........instead of alcohol

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barrypenders 4 years, 1 month ago

Taxing, 'Taking' money from people is harmful for anyone. PADs will say and do anything to take your money. Thats what they do. They want your money.

The want your money to 'Help' themselves, to 'Save' the Children, to 'Save' the hungry, to 'Help'.........it goes on and on and on and on and on and they will say and do anything to 'Take' money from those that 'Earn' it.

Stimulus, PAD Takers, and Posercare live unprecedented

Darwin bless us all

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kansasmutt 4 years, 1 month ago

I bet a whole bunch of non smoking drinkes are all p#$$%d off right about now. I quit drinking years ago and if i quit smoking, i wont be a sin tax payer at all. Just me , one person will cost the state a revenue drop of over $30.00 a month ( taxes only ) by not smoking. You times that by the estimated 26 thousand others who will quit smoking this year , and YOU drinkers have a whole lot of revenue to pay to Kansas to keep it running. Drink up, our leaders need a raise.All those non smoking preppy do gooders are about to take a hit that will cost them bazillions in drink prices. Just think if every Kansan did not purchase liquor or smokes in Kansas for 1 month , problem solved, Kansas would be gone. Here are a couple averages to mull over.( Average 36 year old yuppy drinker). Kansas gets an average of $73.00 in revenue a month from that yuppy drinker. The average college aged Kansan pays an average of $88.00 a month in taxes to the state. The average smoker pays ( in taxes on smokes ) per month of an average of $36.00 each. You do the math. Are we ALL being taxed enough ? AND just wait, fast food is next to come to the statehouse to be taxed. It all started with some do gooders who wanted to control smokers and now, well everyone is taking a hit. Thank you yuppy non smokers, youl be paying more in taxes than i could ever ask for. Sleep well and enjoy that foo foo drink.Might be time to get a second job flippin burgers, oops no jobs to be found, too bad too sad. Just think, you yuppy`s will be paying an additional $70.00 a month ( added onto the $73.00 you now pay ) to enjoy that non smoking bar drink :-) drink up , Kansas needs your tax money.

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David Albertson 4 years, 1 month ago

How much tax revenue could be collected if marijuana was legalized? Think about how much money the Cartels are making off of the US and don't pay any taxes whatsoever. It is absolutely ridiculous that our federal, state and local governments are going broke and yet billions (maybe more) flow across the border in to the pockets of murderers. How many jobs could be created growing, harvesting, processing, distributing and selling marijuana? It's a natural plant that grows in the dirt and has been used for thousands of years. The fact that it is illegal defies logic. I'm amazed at how the political right opposes any government intrusion in to their lives but when it comes to recreational drugs they insist on an absolute ban. Pure hypocrisy.

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texburgh 4 years, 1 month ago

Okay, I drink wine and beer and I am willing to pay the extra tax if I get something of value for it - like school funding, social services for seniors and the disabled, public safety, good roads. What I think the problem will be is that at some point in the future when the cost of providing services to the disabled and mentally ill go up, legislators will say, "you can't need funding! We took care of you with the liquor tax." The cost of services consistently rises more rapidly than the cost of goods - just look at health care costs! And what are services to the disabled and mentally ill if not health care?

Kansas needs a revenue system that puts citizens ahead of corporate interests. What this article doesn't tell us is that this bill was debated in committee today while the House took a break from debating an expansion of a massive corporate tax cut/handout! After the tax committee met, the whole house got back together to pass the corporate tax cut.

Welfare for corporations gets a priority in the Kansas legislature; "welfare" for disabled Kansans gets no consideration.

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Randall Barnes 4 years, 1 month ago

come on irish all you need to survive is bread and water so tax everything else is that what you are saying irish ? you don't need your tbone steaks or bottled water or potato chips so why not tax them instead of alcohol ?

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Robert Kiefer 4 years, 1 month ago

Wow drinkers, how does it feel to be a smoker? really sucks when lawmakers tax the hell out of one group to subsidise everyone else. When it does come time for our long term care we want the ritz baby, we paid for it!

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jonas_opines 4 years, 1 month ago

So. . . what about the people on social services that drink liquor? Wonder how it all balances out.

Why don't we put a tax on legislation, that has to be paid by legislators? Use that money for social services.

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Thinking_Out_Loud 4 years, 1 month ago

Uh, bd, you might need to revisit your Colonial history. The primary objection to the Tea Act was that colonists were not allowed to elect representatives to Parliament. Since we as Kansas citizens of the age of majority are allowed to elect our representatives to the Legislature, this isn't exactly the same thing....

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Steve Miller 4 years, 1 month ago

So irish means tax movies, eating out ect.. remember, you don't need movies or eating out , just 2 name a couple of things.. Tax anything that is not a necessaity.. right irish ??

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Steve Miller 4 years, 1 month ago

So irish means tax movies, eating out ect.. remember, you don't need movies or eating out , just 2 name a couple of things.. Tax anything that is not a necessaity.. right irish ??

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bd 4 years, 1 month ago

Tax them all!

TEA ANYONE????

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 1 month ago

Linda Langston, owner of Eudora Wine & Spirits, said the increased taxes would be a hardship on her customers. “My customers are not wealthy,” she said.

Oh, really, then why are they buying alcohol? This is a want, not a need and should be bought with disposable income after everything else has been attended to.

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