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Letters to the Editor

Climate shifts

February 6, 2010

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To the editor:

It’s difficult to be precise within the 250-word limit in a letter to the editor. The point of my previous letter (Public Forum, Jan. 26) was about human impact on climate, but my reference to the ancient Roman and Mayan civilizations appears to have confused the issue.

I simply meant to point out one of many accepted reasons that led to their mutual cultural decline; that being a burgeoning population, not to imply the only reason.

So I’ll keep it closer to this century and keep it simple. We breed like rabbits. Our cities get bigger. We use and waste more water. We cut down more trees, build more cars and generally treat our local and global environment like a landfill.

There is a natural cycle of global warming and cooling; that is not in doubt. But to say that humans can’t affect climate change is arrogant. The Dust Bowl in the ’30s is a perfect example. Years of sustained drought (natural cycle) was exacerbated by the misuse of land through decades of extensive farming (human impact).

Poor plowing techniques killed most of the natural prairie grasses that kept the topsoil in place and retained moisture during drought. So without the grasses’ natural anchors to keep the soil in place, it dried out, turned to dust and blew away. This rendered around 100 million acres of land useless and affected weather patterns for years.

Natural climate shifts are, well, natural, but humans have had and continue to have a hand in making things worse.

Comments

Jason Bailey 4 years, 2 months ago

SnakeFist: You're right...I have no idea what an aquifer is but wait....the LTE writer wasn't mentioning an aquifer! Wow, way to insert words to attempt to bludgeon someone who makes comments you disagree with!

Who cares if we use more water? 75% of the planet is covered in water. Necessity is the mother of invention and it will soon become cost effective to de-salinate. Problem fixed.

You didn't even touch my comment about more trees today than in 1492, which the LTE used to support his point. The entire thing is full of religious nonsense -- the religion of environmentalism. Oh, BTW...how's the global warming working out with most of the US buried under record snows and historically cold winter temperatures?

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SnakeFist 4 years, 2 months ago

Oh great, independant1 thinks we can depend on the technological lottery to solve all our problems. And who is going to create those life-saving technologies - the same scientists that are warning us about global climate change? The same scientists that you think are either lying or incompetent.

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independant1 4 years, 2 months ago

Good tit for tat. Mr. Biology it begs to be mentioned here that through technological determintaion we will survive as a species. We Humans will discover/invent/stumble across enough breakthroughs in science, despite the chicken little's o'day, to save our fragil our civilization. If you don't beleive that then we shouldn't be here now? The mini ice age this Feb. is fmao!

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SnakeFist 4 years, 2 months ago

The problem with conservatives is their incredible arrogance - they have opinions about things they know absolutely nothing about.

For example, jason2007, clearly doesn't know what an aquifer is or how long it takes to recharge. If you pump water from an aquifer faster than its recharge rate, and allow most of what you pumped to run into rivers and then into the ocean, then you have a lot less useable water.

Similarly, rtwnger thinks we can breed our way out of our problems - as long as every generation is larger than the last, everything will be just fine.

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rtwngr 4 years, 2 months ago

And another thing, Mr. Don't Know What I Am Talking About, the decline of population growth in the United States is contributing to the poor economic outlook for the next generation. It is a proven economic fact that when the older population is more numerous the younger population, the cost to the younger population for the support of the older population increases per capita. Don't tell me the "government" will take care of them because we (all of us) are the government. That's enough for now because I don't have the time or patience to give you a civics lesson today.

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 2 months ago

Who can still believe the IPCC? "The Netherlands has asked the UN climate change panel to explain an inaccurate claim in a landmark 2007 report that more than half the country was below sea level, the Dutch government said Friday. According to the Dutch authorities, only 26 percent of the country is below sea level, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will be asked to account for its figures, environment ministry spokesman Trimo Vallaart told AFP. The incident could cause further embarrassment for the IPCC, which recently admitted a claim in the same report that global warming could melt Himalayan glaciers by 2035 was wrong. IPCC experts calculated that 55 percent of the Netherlands was below sea level by adding the area below sea level -- 26 percent -- to the area threatened by river flooding -- 29 percent -- Vallaart said." http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.8d6e5773c60565dfc6e882b0a8dcbf18.4e1&show_article=1

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Jason Bailey 4 years, 2 months ago

We waste water? Sorry, Mr. Biology but last time I checked, water simply changes states and moves through the water cycle...it never leaves the cycle. So what's the issue?

We cut down more trees? Last time I checked, Mr. Check Your Facts Before Opening Mouth, there are more trees in North America today than when Columbus discovered the continent.

Do you know how shrill you and your side sound everytime you start spewing falsities like this to support your fantasy of anthropogenic global warming? This is a repeat of the Salem Witch Trials where true science is usurped by fear-mongering and profit...yet, profit. Those in charge of your movement are profiting heavily from the religion of global warming. Algore likes to talk about how armageddon is coming but continues to live in a house with a carbon footprint of about 50 families and jets all over God's green earth (yes, it's still green) in his private jet vs. taking a commercial jet.

Hypocrisy, lies, and arrogance = the modern day Witch Hunt and Guilt Trip that is the Global Warming Community.

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mr_right_wing 4 years, 2 months ago

"But to say that humans can’t affect climate change is arrogant." (The definition of 'arrogant' is 'overwhelming pride' ... I don't think that is the word you wanted to use. We're too small and minute to mess up the climate is 'arrogant'? No... Perhaps 'ignorant' or 'irresponsible' or 'short-sighted' would have been better words.)

Gee...I've heard SCIENTISTS argue the opposite...we're being arrogant to say we can change the climate. (This would be a better use of that word. I may be 'arrogant' telling you how to use that word, but I cannot be considered 'arrogant' by saying I'm not smart enough to tell you how to use the word.)

Right now, with more snow on the way next week, I'm ready for earth to swing back to global warming!!

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devobrun 4 years, 2 months ago

The difference, Steve, between natural and man-made influences on the environment are that we can change. In the case of the dust bowl, we did. The droughts still come, but the erosion is not so severe.

Currently we are not experiencing any drastic weather that is caused by human influence. Yes I know, data suggests otherwise.

They lie.

The machinations of the climate modelers is unbelievable. I don't believe them. I am a scientist. NASA for decades.
I don't believe climatologists because they are engaged in bad science that has a very strong political component.

Simple. Don't feel guilty. Be conservative in your life. You, and all of us, will be OK.

There, feel better?

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none2 4 years, 2 months ago

DId_i_say_that, Your point is very valid. It amazes how some just insist on making mankind to be so all powerful when in fact we are not. For instance, Mount Tambora eruption in 1815 was one of reasons for the lack of a summer in 1816 in the northern hemisphere. This then followed a bitter cold winter going into 1817.

Another misleading comment is that "we breed like rabbits". Rabbits breed from February to October with the gestation being 30 days. A typical litter is 5-8. If humans were like that, then we'd have much more than a few billion people on this planet now. Much of the developed world has low birth rates. Some countries such as Japan and those in Scandinavia, worry that they won't have enough population when their older people die off.

People that want to scare others into action tend to exaggerate. That is the problem you have with many of these arguments. Humans DO need to pay attention to their affect on the environment. We have led to the extinction of plenty of plants and animals. While some may not care, the fact is that who is to say that some medical discovery might have been made had a particular organism still existed. We can also destroy an area by poor management. A good example is Easter Island. I have also heard such is also happening in countries like Madagascar. Deforestation is has gotten way out of hands. Some people just don't realize that forest soils do not tend to do well as crop lands for very long the soils tend to be marginal.

That all being said, these end of world or end of humanity scare tactics lead to the opposite affect. It is like the story of the boy who cried wolf to get attention. Because he misused the warning, when he really did encounter a wolf, no one would believe him because his past history of incredibility.

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Benjamin Roberts 4 years, 2 months ago

"But to say that humans can’t affect climate change is arrogant. The Dust Bowl in the ’30s is a perfect example. Years of sustained drought (natural cycle) was exacerbated by the misuse of land through decades of extensive farming (human impact)."

To say that humans can affect climate change is arrogant. The Dust Bowl is NOT a perfect example. The dust bowl was not climate change; it was the result of a weather cycle. Yes, the farmers' aggressive stripping of the land, along with a drought, allowed the dust bowl to occur. But to say the dust bowl is climate change is ridiculous. Neither the dust, nor the stripped land, affected the climate. Rather, the opposite is true, the stripped land was affected by the climate and rewarded farmers with the dust bowl.

Your example simply proves that climate does not adapt to, or for, man; instead, man must adapt to the climate.

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Les Blevins 4 years, 2 months ago

Yes; We were stupid then—cavalier, overconsumptive and willfully ignorant, and we still are. It seems the driving force behind the anthropogenic destruction of Planet Earth is locked inside our skulls. From the locomotive to the light bulb to the automobile most all our inventions have been designed to drive our economies on massive releases of carbon emissions into the atmosphere. Now it's high time for newer inventions that drive our economies on carbon extraction from the atmosphere. We actually have such an invention that was invented here in our own back yard but don't expect it to be reported in the JW because the elite (who are benefitting from the old order) don't want any public discussion of it.

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normal_entire_route 4 years, 2 months ago

sarcasm us the lowest form of humor...

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grimpeur 4 years, 2 months ago

I'll drive what, when and where I please, thank you. The dust bowl? That was 80 years ago. We were stupid then--cavalier, overconsumptive and willfully ignorant. We would never make the same stewardship mistakes now.

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