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Lack of composure in chippy game vs. Cal shows KU basketball team’s immaturity

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson celebrates a dunk before Cal defenders Gary Franklin (4) and Richard Solomon (25) during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010 at Haas Pavilion in Berkeley, California. Also pictured is Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor.

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson celebrates a dunk before Cal defenders Gary Franklin (4) and Richard Solomon (25) during the second half, Wednesday, Dec. 22, 2010 at Haas Pavilion in Berkeley, California. Also pictured is Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor.

December 23, 2010


Highlights: KU vs. Cal

Kansas defeated Cal, 78-63 on Wednesday Dec. 22, 2010 at Haas Pavilion in Berkeley, Calif. Enlarge video

— For a two-minute blitz at the beginning of the second half, Kansas University’s basketball team showed its very high ceiling, as high as any team’s in the country.

Nobody tried to do too much, and as a result, everybody did a lot. Tyshawn Taylor, Josh Selby, Tyrel Reed, Marcus Morris and Markieff Morris looked as if they had played together for years, and Kansas turned an eight-point lead built during a ragged first half into a 17-point advantage.

Then in a blink of an eye — that’s what eyes do when somebody gets smacked in the face by an elbow, and that somebody was Harper Kamp, elbowed by Marcus Morris under the hoop — and a couple of inspired minutes, Cal had turned it into a three-point deficit.

Marcus Morris, KU’s active career scoring leader, spent the final 17:23 in the locker room, where he wasn’t able to help his team. The Jayhawks didn’t need him to win the game, but a more talented, deeper team than Cal might have made them pay.

KU’s 78-63 victory Wednesday night on Cal’s campus came with warts and welts that need to go away soon.

Morris, who looks like such a smart player so often, is a junior. He’s been around too long to let his emotions rule his brain. He’s too important a player, looked up to too much by teammates, to pull a freshman move the way he did. And it’s not the first time.

He was far from the only player on both teams to lose his composure. Cal guard Jorge Gutierrez — the guy with the pony tail — looked to be auditioning for a boxing career and was whistled for a technical foul. KU’s Thomas Robinson, apparently tagged in the face by Gutierrez, can attest to the speed of his combatant’s hands.

Robinson picked up an intentional foul in the first half, a technical in the second. Brady Morningstar knocked the ball out of a Cal player’s hands on his way to the bench during a late break in the action and was given a technical. Robinson plays an enforcer role. Sure, he has to get better at not getting caught enforcing, but at least he’s on the right page.

Not surprisingly, it was Marcus Morris who drew the most criticism from his coach after the game.

“Cal was chippy, but we didn’t handle it well,” Kansas coach Bill Self said. “We let it bother us too much and had to get the last word. I was really disappointed in Marcus. He got exactly what he deserved, from what I was told. When guys put a wrong agenda ahead of their team, it’s very, very, very selfish.”

It’s not the first time the third-ranked, undefeated Jayhawks have gotten hot in the head this season. Self didn’t mince words as to the chief source of the problem.

“It’s because of the twins,” Self said. “They’ve got to wake up. When it gets chippy, if you’re competitive, you’ve got to beat them on the scoreboard. You don’t try to get the last word.”

Senior Tyrel Reed, the team’s most composed player, played an outstanding game, soaring high for rebounds, knocking down three-pointers and driving hard to the hoop.

“It really just comes down to maturity and not letting yourself get in that position,” Reed said of the team’s lack of composure. “As the season goes along, I think we’ll get better at that.”

If they want to give themselves their best shot to make it all the way to Houston for the Final Four, they’ll get better at it.


justforfun 7 years ago

Well glad to see Brady gave up more points on the tech then he scored. Someone tell me why he is still playing so much. Don't tell me it's because hes a good defender and can feed the post. Thanks

Theprof 7 years ago

No, it's because he has a dad named Roger.

4everahawk 7 years ago

Refs should have had more control of the game from the beginning. They ignored a lot of Cal's behavior and didn't call fouls or warn the teams and then when KU got fed up with being thugged we get the bad press. Though I agree Marcus was playing very aggressive, I don't think his elbow to Kamp's face was meant to harm him. Refs failed to stop all the smack talk and emotions got amped up and all the intentional, technical, flagrant fouls started piling up.......on us, not Cal.

smot 7 years ago

Marcus deserved to get ejected.

Gutierrez and #10 were instigators all night. One of them also deserved to be ejected.

Taylor needs to play better. Move him to the shooting guard spot and give Selby the point. Voila....we are instantly better.

DRsmith 7 years ago

Wow...never knew KU to be a thug school. Guess times are changing.

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Releford has pulled through this year, and has a nice touch. Just not an opportunity to show it. But he has played the 4 position very nicely in the past couple of games, especially last night, when his defense was pretty good. He constantly hustles after the ball. He plays a role and does it well.

TheYetiSpeaks 7 years ago

Nooooo.....Did you watch the game? Releford has to show what he can do with the playing time he gets to receive more playing time and he has been dreadful for the last couple games now. I never thought someone would make me yearn for Mario Little but Releford got me there....ugh.

BruceWayne 7 years ago

Keegan loves to hate on the Jayhawks so when he gets a shot he takes it. With that being said, Jorge Gutierrez came out of the gate wanting a fight, and I agree with 4ever that the Jayhawks got tired of it. Play tough, but no ejections. it was a fun game to watch.

amesn 7 years ago

Ok I'll say it...Brady was very dissappointing last night! (I've defended him in the past). I'm sorry but even if Marcus' elbow wasn't meant for harm the fact remains he threw it and the rule stands that is a flagrant foul, one that never should have happened in the first place. I don't know if it was the combination of the Cal players getting chippy and the constant hate calls from the Cal fans (I heard them yelling at the twins a lot) but either way our guys need to do better about keeping their heads in the game. One of the most impressive moves from Selby I saw last night was during the big scuffle he physically grabbed trob by the arms and dragged him away from the fight. The freshman kept his cool all night long while his older and wiser teammates were being ejected and t'd up. Tyrel was the man of the night though-huge props to his hustle for rebounds, popping in some great shots, and performing like an athlete should. Agreed that the refs let this one get out of hand way too early.

rtwngr 7 years ago

Keegan, they're kids. They're going to make mistakes and let their immaturity show once in a while. I thought Cal looked like they were spoiling for a fight all night.

cato_the_elder 7 years ago

Gutierrez was the worst chip-on-the-shoulder thug we've faced for some time. He set the tone from the tipoff, and was spoiling for what ultimately happened. The refs should have recognized it, but didn't.

That said, Marcus reacted poorly, and deserved the ejection.

Hopefully, any other team that wants to try to beat us by playing dirty will see from this game that it won't work and back off. Hats off to those Hawks who kept their composure. The coaching staff will undoubtedly work hard to ensure that all of them do so next time.

Bill Lee 7 years ago

Anyone who taped the game can see a headbutt that Marcus got away with that was a very cheap shot. Coach Self will not like it when he sees it.

jelwezy_11 7 years ago

As much as I like our team to show class and keep a cool head, I am not mad at the performance we had last night. I think we showed heart and we fought for a win. In the past we have been the type of team to just lay down and show no emotion in the heat of the battle. Especially in the "Roy Williams Era", we fought it out, went for the battle and left it on the court. Would those fouls have been called on the playground? NOPE! Could it have been handled better? yes.... but I think a little emotion and grit is a good thing on the court.

exlion 7 years ago

not sure what having a ponytail means...really didn't add anything to the article maybe all the tats on some of ku's star players means something the trade off for wins is allowing thug behavior...very sad

mom_of_three 7 years ago

he mentioned the ponytail, in case no one knew who Guitterez was and he kept messing with it all night (pulling it like a girl).

Icy_Flame48 7 years ago

yeah he needs a haircut! Typical show boat!!

grtnrse 7 years ago

Wonder if Bill's comments about the Burlington and Lawrence, KS's boys toughness this week translated to "thug mentality" for some of the others. These guys are old enough to understand composure in hostile environments - #3 in the nation, everyone's going after you any way they can - but they also need strong leadership to show them how to translate that emotion into positive, mature behavior - felt like they were taunted a bit this week by their coach. And I'm a huge Self fan but when something goes wrong with the "underlings" you have to start looking at the top down. And that also goes for the refs as I also believe that they should have had better control of the game.

mom_of_three 7 years ago

Yes, you throw an elbow (although it didn't look malicious, but purposefully, did-I-do-that), and you will get tossed. No problems with that. T-rob's intentional was not. They were tangled after Guitterez pushed Robinson across the paint and they got tangled. But the rule is if it is above the shoulder and it was. Okay. But the technical on Robinson during the entanglement - c'mon. that was not necessary. And what about the Cal players, including ponytail boy, being so upset. Did that not deserve something? I know ponytail boy got a technical, but still...... Didn't know if the ref could hang on to the big boy much longer. Did anyone see Reed get knocked to the floor after shooting a three early in the 2nd??? The refs set the tone early by calling 4 fouls on KU in the first 2.5 minutes. Nothing was going to be tolerated...then fine, call it that way, but the refs let it get out of hand, with Cal thinking they could get away with anything and for a while, they did.
Our guys just didn't handle the hostile territory as well as we liked, but KU finally started showing it on the scoreboard and then Cal just shut down. KU wasn't innocent, by any means, but neither was Cal.

Flap Doodle 7 years ago

What long-term effects could tatoo ink have on one's mental stability?

TheYetiSpeaks 7 years ago

Don't really understand people trying to defend Marcus on this one. With the force he hit him with and the location, Morris is lucky he didn't break the kid's jaw. Gutierrez wasn't a saint, mind you, but Morris and Thomas Robinson were just as much the problem as he was. They need to drop the antagonistic behavior and let their play speak for them. Marcus' elbow was bush league and that's not University of Kansas basketball, period.

bad_dog 7 years ago

While I concur the elbow was "bush league", there's no way it could have broken Kamp's jaw-it was a glancing blow at worst.

Gutierrez was/is a punk, a la Denis Clemente. The Cal fans apparently aren't much better. The refs were the worst I've seen in a while. I cringe every time I see Thornley reffing a game. They missed numerous over the back calls and how did pony boy not get called for shoving TRob on the baseline-the very incident that led to TRob's intentional foul for flicking him away like a mosquito.

Paula Kissinger 7 years ago

I watched this with my jaw dropped. I didn't see where Marcus intentionally smacked that fact his head was turned in the opposite direction, but he did flail his arms so if that is considered an intentional foul so be it...wrong ! The Gutierrez matter is totally different. That kid played beyond aggressive. He played like a thug and acted like one. Watch the replay from the front and you can see him throw a punch at Robinson. How the refs missed this I do not know but he should have been ejected...his behavior WAS blatently intentional. Taylor needs to step up, Brady needs to stop acting like a brat and Robinson should be commended for not decking that jerk.

unklemonkey 7 years ago

marcus didn't even hit him if you watch closely

Robert Rauktis 7 years ago

Those twins don't start acting their age, it don't matter how much a star any newbie is. Plus, it looks and IS real low life.

MIke Mallory 7 years ago

if you mess with the bull, you will get the horn. That is toughness that we havent always had. Look, this is not a recurring thing, just one game against a team that tried everything they could to stay in the game and it worked for awhile, but ultimately it didnt. Good win, PERIOD....

Bursting 7 years ago

Tyshawn = Turnover ....

Just so hard to handle, whether it be a turnover or a hopeless off balance heave on an out of control drive, I just can't understand why this problem hasn't changed after so much experience has been gained by him.

Thomas = Too Tough Guy

Starting way to much stuff all season, I don't know if anyone else has noticed but Thomas Robinson regularly finds a way into chippy situations.

That being said we're undefeated and I don't see anyone beating us in the next month! You have to love the diversity and characters on this years team and they are so exciting to watch!

ralphralph 7 years ago

Reed = Solid. Heart of the team (and maybe brains of the team).

Selby = Real. OMG-level skills. He will elevate the whole team (if they'll let him).

Tyshawn = All or nothing. Star or train wreck, with not much 'in-between'. (Focus, man. Focus.) A little worried how he reacts to Selby taking the spotlight ... needs to catch the wave and ride it, since other teams will have to target Selby, TT's speed can create nightmares for opponent's D.

Twins = Okay, probably the real Heart of the team. Keep their heads, play with heart, and they dominate. Lose their heads or play half-hearted, and they just take up space. They've played at Mizzou, right? Easy, men. Easy.

Brady = Another solid. Defense, hands, lights-out passing game. Needs to hit 3s.

Releford = Athlete. Doesn't shoot like Little, but defends and rebounds better.

EJ = Needs to not disappear. His minutes are Selby's now, mostly, but he can play big and needs to hang in there.

Refs Last Night = Should have shut down Gutierrez right off the bat. When they failed to do that, they were basically deciding to let the game alternate between hockey and boxing. That said, the Hawks are going to see teams and games like that later in the year ... perhaps March ... and need to deal with it later. Some of the NCAA tourney games can turn into real thug fests, and maybe this game was a good lesson in how to deal with it (or, how not to).

ralphralph 7 years ago

Oops! Left out ....

Bonus Sleeper Stat-of-the-Game: 15-18 from the FT line. (was KSU watching?) I'm a free throw freak. If you're gonna go in and bang heads, it doesn't work if you can't convert. (See Mizzou's 1-of-4 FT regulation finish in the loss to Georgetown). I think this is a HUGE deal, to be able to count the and-ones.

Kaplow 7 years ago

Ponytail (#2) and Deebo (#10) were both working to get under the Jayhawks skin all night. That said, its an away game and dealing with chippy smack talk is part of playing road game. Although I think the refs were awful and called a one sided game, I also think Marcus deserved to get ejected. He was looking right at Kamp when he threw his elbow up and knew what he was doing. Brady let chatter get to him and deserved his technical as well, he needs to see the bench more. If there is one thing to take out of this its that we have a real lack of leadership on this team as we get ready to enter conference play. Marcus and Brady are suppose to be leaders, if they cant manage that role then hopefully Reed can be the voice of action on this team and someone else will step up. If not, we will have a lot of trouble on the road in the Big 12 in much more difficult environments than Berkley... Baylor, Missouri, Manhattan..

blindrabbit 7 years ago

Hockey teams have enforcers (goons); Cal has Gutierrez.

Gregory Newman 7 years ago

the refs were pitiful and they were pullin for Cal. Every time we had position to get a rebound somebody got pushed in the lower back. I don't care who you think you are but anybody would lose composure getting hit often and the Refs don't make the call. That Jorge was lucky I wasn't on the floor he would have left on a stretcher his play was totally unnecessary. He wasn't playing defense he was out right slugging.

Kendall Simmons 7 years ago

That was funny!! "Jorge was lucky I wasn't on the floor he would have left on a stretcher". Aren't delusions of grandeur fun?

Joe Hyde 7 years ago

I didn't see it during live action, but on the replays you could clearly see where Marcus Morris had taken up a position on the floor that would let him grab the rebound if it skipped over the rim. He was just standing there when from behind he got hit hard on his left shoulder and back by Cal's player Kamp. It certainly looked to me from the replays that Kamp deliberately crashed into Marcus; I mean, there was plenty of room for him to slip around Marcus instead of blasting his way through Marcus.

Kamp's hard blindside contact was one of those deals were, if you're on the receiving end of a surprise jolt like that, it provokes an instinctive retaliatory response. But as usually happens in contact sports, the retaliatory response is what gets spotted by the refs. I for one am not blaming Marcus for inflicting that bit of payback. Kamp's hit could have caused a shoulder dislocation on Marcus.

And Gutierrez vs. Robinson? Well, thankfuly it never got down to it, but if it had my twenty bucks was on Thomas Robinson.

Bob Forer 7 years ago

I don't want to see the word "chippy" ever again. Its seems nary a sports writer has been able to avoid using that word at least twice in their write-up of the Cal/KU game. Its as if they all were let out for the afternoon from their second grade glass and had to try out the new word they learned for the day.

LondonBluue 7 years ago

Have any of you seen this post about the game last night and the classless KU fans?

It's not pretty.

amesn 7 years ago

Wow...I SERIOUSLY hope the comments on that forum were exaggerated...if not how truly embarrassing to know our fans acted like wildcats. Lawrence is an armpit? Really? Wow....

jonas_opines 7 years ago

It's hard to imagine commenters on this site ever exaggerating.

black_butterfly 7 years ago

I believe that it is unfair to call the Jayhawks immature. They dealt with what they were getting. It's not like Marcus was just out there "throwing bows" all night. He was playing ball! It was not intentional. Gutierrez and the other Cali player (the one who was built more like a professional wrestler) should have both been thrown out as well. As far as KU's fans- well it's like a mama bear and her cubs, you mess with our boys, you mess with us!! Compared to the Cali players and considering the refs let them beat up on our team, our Jayhawks held their composure very well. Maybe all Jayhawk haters need to move out of Lawrence. They say it never rains in Southern might like it there.

LOL @ Ponytail (#2) and Deebo (#10)

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