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Kansas joins effort to remove adult services from Craigslist

August 24, 2010

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— State attorneys general nationwide are demanding that Craigslist remove its adult services section because they say the website cannot adequately block potentially illegal ads.

Several attorneys general, including Connecticut, Ohio and Missouri, announced Tuesday that they have sent a joint letter calling on the classified advertising website to get rid of its adult services category. A total of 17 states are involved.

The attorneys general say Craigslist is not completely screening out ads that promote prostitution and child trafficking. The site creators pledged in 2008 to improve their policing efforts.

Other states joining the effort:

  • Arkansas
  • Idaho
  • Illinois
  • Iowa
  • Kansas
  • Maryland
  • Michigan
  • Montana
  • New Hampshire
  • Rhode Island,
  • South Carolina
  • Tennessee
  • Texas
  • Virginia

San Francisco-based Craigslist did not immediately return a call.

Comments

jamieg99 5 years ago

Why just target online media for this market? Print classifieds have been advertising "massage services" that are prostitutes, perhaps child prostitutes, for years. So, why now, and why online only? I support cracking down, especially when this behavior is between people who may not be consenting adults, but perhaps we should cast a wider and more effective net.

BorderRuffian 5 years ago

I think the Phelpses should weigh in on this. It sounds like another horrible attempt by an ungrateful American public to deny some horrible pervert the right to say whatever the heck s/he wants, regardless of who it may harm.

igby 5 years ago

Who cares about this? Adult services are adult services! Adults don't need the AG's office telling them what not to look at. It's not child porn or terrorist networking.

But Spammers should be killed!

Hundreds of them, Spammers, from real estate grubbing sales agents to grant peddlers, they all pounce on you like your some kind of targeted prey. Just run an add on Craig's list and you'll see just what I referring too.

Why not do something right for a change and get rid of the Spammers!

igby 5 years ago

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Bob_Keeshan 5 years ago

To the contrary, it is child trafficking. It is adults selling young girls for sex.

Nice to see you're OK with that, though. Who needs "big daddy" meddling in what adults purchase on the web?

WHY 5 years ago

Bob, unless you have bought a kid for sex how do you know what is on there. I have never seen an ad for a child on there ever.

slowplay 5 years ago

What an ignorant comment! Girls from the age of 11- 17 have prostituted themselves or have been involuntarily prostituted on Craigslist. Do a little research before you post such inane drivel. That said, I have to agree with jamieg99. It would be simple to shut down adult services, but that would merely be another attempt to turn a blind eye to a problem that needs to be spotlighted in every community.

WHY 5 years ago

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slowplay 5 years ago

LOL, ooooh you emailed and know for sure that the 19 year old isn't really 16? 15? Somehow I don't think you would care. So as long as you get yours you could less about the plight of young girls who are forced into prostitution. Nice.

WHY 5 years ago

There is no evidence that craigslist is a forum for child sex. Once someone has some actual evidence other than broad accusations then we should have a policy discussion. There is no evidence. You have no evidence. LJW has no evidence. It is just harder to write that story. I think it is funny that LJW deletes my comment while you call me a pedophile. I did nothing but stand up for the right for adults to have crazy hot sex with other adults. Demonize me if you must.

slowplay 5 years ago

Do a little research. "Sacramento police made arrangements for CNN to interview a 14-year-old girl who said she'd started selling herself as a prostitute at the age of 11. "I wanted to feel loved. ... I wanted to feel important," said the teen, who did not want to be identified. She said she used Craigslist because it was free and she could post dozens of ads a day." This was one of 70 in Sacramento alone. Nuff said. Go away.

kernal 5 years ago

Wow, Igby! I didn't think anyone one would post on LJW comments that they don't care if if pimps peddle sex online. If you think there isn't child and adult slavery prostitution being peddled on Craig's List, then you are either ignorant of the situation or, sadly, don't care.

Liberty275 5 years ago

I don't care if pimps peddle sex online as long as all parties are consenting adults.

slowplay 5 years ago

If there is a pimp involved, it's rarely consenting. Most likely a drug induced nod of the head.

WHY 5 years ago

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Liberty275 5 years ago

I was using the word "pimp" in a more generalized way, much like my boss is my "pimp" even though I don't work in the sex industry. You might notice I used the words "consenting adults".

sad_lawrencian 5 years ago

I think there are better things they can be doing then telling a private website how to run itself. Craigslist is hardly the problem everyone makes it out to be.

Horace 5 years ago

Its clear that CDA 230 shields craigslist from liability. See e.g. http://www.scribd.com/doc/21442363/Dartvcraiglist-Opinion.

The AGs are grandstanding and their time would be better spent fighting exploitation from another angle. What's that phrase about not worrying about the things you can't control?

Bob_Keeshan 5 years ago

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080606376.html

MC is a 17-year-old girl who says she was repeatedly sold for sex through ads on Craigslist. In open letters published as newspaper ads, she has beseeched Newmark to shut down the site's lucrative "adult services" section, which law-enforcement officials and advocates say facilitates prostitution and child trafficking.

"I was first forced into prostitution when I was 11 years old by a 28-year-old man," she wrote. "I am not an exception."

Andrea Powell, head of Fair Fund, a District-based group that works with girls and teens who have been sold for sex, calls Craigslist "the Wal-Mart of online sex trafficking." She said most of the young people she works with are sold through the site, which has 20 billion page views a month.

pizzapete 5 years ago

And I hope they are removing any mention of evolution while they're at it.

Flap Doodle 5 years ago

Carbon-based life form seeks similar carbon-based life form for saucy antics. Must have pelican suit. Please, no freaks.

Scott Drummond 5 years ago

Your taxes are higher to support these sorts of efforts. Lawyers and litigation are not cheap. Law enforcement resources are available and used to prosecute the abuses alleged in the article. The time, money and resource wasted on outlawing free speech, however, would be better used providing vital government services.

Stuart Evans 5 years ago

damn those women for using their vagina's any way they see fit!

Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years ago

I just looked at Craig's List for the first time. Was never interested before I saw this witch hunt article. I did not see any "adult srvices" in the listing. Am I missing something? Or is someone running for office again??

Paul Decelles 5 years ago

Look under services, just under the pets. The big issue is probably child and human trafficking in much the same way you are not (as I understand it) allowed to buy child pornography. Quite frankly I wonder if the AD's efforts will make child and human trafficking MORE difficult to track.

Stuart Evans 5 years ago

Why is prostitution illegal? the bad parts of prostitution are brought on by the black market. If everything was regulated, there would be a major reduction in trafficking, as well as spread of disease.

Practicality 5 years ago

Most prostitutes are just trying to support their illegal drug habit. It is all a downward spiral.

Stuart Evans 5 years ago

I'll be darned...you know what I like? Facts. Provide some. Your "morals" do not necessarily equate to any kind of reality.

emaw 5 years ago

That would just make too much sense

vinividivici 5 years ago

Penn and Teller have a great episode on why prostitution should be legal. Don't always agree with every point the make, but they do raise some good ones!

slowplay 5 years ago

Let's look at this from another angle. Why not use Craigslist as a catalyst to catch these perverts in action. They are obviously posting numbers or locations to set up a rendezvous. It seems like the police would get more bang for their undercover efforts by simply responding to the ad and making the bust. A few of those would go a long way in preventing further postings.

Mari Aubuchon 5 years ago

That is exactly what I've thought. How about catching a few child predators with some postings while they are at it.

Jimo 5 years ago

So if this is so prevalent and easily found why not run a sting? I'm sure advocacy groups will help out. And the local media!

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years ago

They already try that stuff. Try and keep up with the times!

Jimo 5 years ago

Errrr...no. They complain and expect passing yet one more law passes for 'doing something.'

Seriously, just how difficult is it to identify minors on these things? Reply, make arrangements, show up, take into custody, demand an ID. What, about 4 hours of work per case? Sounds about right.

I thought Six was running for election? Gee, do I have to talk him through how publicity works? At least Kline understood that much.

Gareth Skarka 5 years ago

More "the internet is scary" witch-hunting BS, which will eventually be used as an excuse to put walls up around all content -- walls that will (surprise, surprise) have to be paid to pass through.

Corporations slept while the internet grew, and now they want to figure out a way to make it 100% montetized, rather than what developed freely. They're using their paid-for politicians to drum up fear, so that the sheep in this country will accept regulation to "make us safe."

It's disgusting.

Craigslist isn't doing anything that you can't find in the back of The Pitch and other newspapers, or even in some phone books under "escort services." Yet you don't hear a peep about that -- because it's not "The SCARY Internet", which they tell us is filled with child predators and cyber-terrorists.

Don't roll over for this crap, America.

Bailey Perkins 5 years ago

There have been issues regarding The Pitch, escort ads, and First Amendment infringements. The Internet though, allows for greater access. Make sense?

Gareth Skarka 5 years ago

"First Amendment INFRINGEMENTS?" Are you seriously that ignorant?

Shardwurm 5 years ago

Stupid.

This is just another government agency telling us how we should live our lives.

Tell you what...you don't want to be raped and killed? Don't advertise on Craigslist or jog through Central Park at 1am by yourself.

Sheesh.

bearded_gnome 5 years ago

So, ... Steve Six will sue here ... but he wouldn't sue to stop Obama's health insurance debacle that will harm far more people than the sexy ads on Craigslist... priorities, man!

... oh, I get it after a little thought: you go on Craigslist hire some trollop by the hour. then once obamacare is in, you get free treatment for the crabs, herpies, and the big nasty eruption you don't know what the heck it is! and you get treatment but it's so difficult to see an actual doctor. you're only treated by a receptionist/nursepractitioner who examines you for 49-seconds.

okay, now I see Steve's logic.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years ago

bearded_gnome, defender of child trafficking.

That 11 year old girl has it coming to her, right? She's just a trollop, right?

I see your logic.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years ago

Where your source that proves they're all 11 and beaten and drugged into it?

Of course I understand your 1950's perspective in which women are incapable of thinking for themselves.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years ago

I know, it is so 1950's to suggest girls under the age of 14 are being forced into the equivalent of sexual slavery.

How dare I be so closed minded? These young ladies are obviously making their own choices!

mdrndgtl 5 years ago

I have to be honest with you, prostitutes, I love them. I can't imagine a world without Craigslist and easy to find, ever-willing prostitutes. And the variety! Don't even get me started.

Bailey Perkins 5 years ago

Ordering Craigslist and other media outlets to stop offering such ads would be an infringment on First Amendment rights. Yes this is screwed up, but you need to understand the legality issues. The only way to stop the problem would be for law enforcement to catch the misleading sellings of an ad or the act in process....or something of the sort.

denak 5 years ago

Two years ago, Craigslist entered into an agreement with 42 Attorney Generals to monitor and help eliminate ads that victimized children and encourage human trafficking. Since then, Craigslist has repeatedly failed to comply with this agreement. When confronted by news organizations, they have repeatedly tried to shift the blame onto law enforcement rather than take responsibility for these ads and work in conjunction with law enforcement to confront the issue of forced prostitution. Regardless of what one thinks about "consensual" adult prostitution, it is abhorrent to do nothing to minimize the suffering of unwilling men, women and children when one has the power to do so even if doing so cuts into one's lucrative profit margin.

Moreover, the 2008 agreement as well as this recent demand to "cease and desist" is no an infringement on the 1st Amendment. The 1st Amendment does not protect illegal activity. One could argue that these ads present a "clear and present" danger to the trafficked individual and that the state has a compelling interest in curbing or prohibiting any ads that facilitate the victimization of these individuals.

Furthermore, since Craiglist is an Internet based media, as opposed to a print media, the scope of the illegal activity is bigger. Unlike the Pitch that advertises local prostitution and therefore falls under the jurisdiction of the individual state, the vastness of the internet allows for people to be trafficked over state lines or even national borders making it a federal and international crime.

Lastly, contrary to what some people think, the Attorney General is not all of a sudden jumping on a politically convenient bandwagon. In January, the Attorney General's office created a task force to deal with the issue of human trafficking in Kansas.

If you want to read what the Attorney General's office has to say about this recent development with Craigslist, please feel free to go to his web page at http://www.ksag.org/page/attorney-general-steve-six-joins-colleagues-in-calling-on-craigslist-to-scrap-adult-services-section

Dena

Horace 5 years ago

Dena,

Federal law (the Communication Decency Act, Section 230) made websites immune from state law for what other people post on their websites.

The city of chicago already tried suing craigslist and it was thrown out of court.

The AG is wasting his department's time.

BigPrune 5 years ago

They should ban ugly people from posting these ads but require the advertiser have a photo displayed. That should put an end to it.

Kirk Larson 5 years ago

We should adopt the Amsterdam model. Prostitutes should be licensed and registered. They should have regular health screenings and be required to use condoms. They can form collectives to keep the pimps out of the picture. That way it's taxed, controlled, safe, and no underage kids are involved

bearded_gnome 5 years ago

Bob_Keeshan (anonymous) replies …

bearded_gnome, defender of child trafficking.

That 11 year old girl has it coming to her, right? She's just a trollop, right?

---Whoa Bob! next time, leave the PCP off of your Wheaties, okay? my post had more to do with the democrat AG of Kansas.

Bob_Keeshan 5 years ago

Right, in the name of partisanship you are contending that it is ok to rape young children and sell them as prostitutes because that is less damaging than health care reform.

I see your logic. There's nothing in my cereal, pal. It is sick that you would be so blinded by partisanship that you would attempt to downplay human trafficking to make a misguided and asinine argument about federal health care reform.

Liberty275 5 years ago

I didn't see anything in his post that condoned rape, human trafficking or child molestation. Where do you see that?

igby 5 years ago

Yes! That's the same twisted logic that the liberals used on Phil Kline, when he went after these child rapist and instead of allowing Kline, to enforce the law, the liberals made a national quest, thanks to Kathy's efforts, of protecting women's rights over jaiingl child rapist. So, the mode has already been set. The liberals win and the criminals walked free.

Blocking all adult ads on Craig's list is as stupid as protecting all womens rights in all states rather than going after a few child rapist. It's as stupid as banning TV because of sex and violence.

Stop the dam spammers!

somedude20 5 years ago

LJW is just as good as craig's list so:

SWM is looking for SF under 40 (mothers need not reply) who likes to party and have a good time. I do not mind curves (in fact I love em) but fat girls need not reply. I enjoy women who have both of their legs and a fine set of chompers but that is all negotiable. Heck, I could go on and on but I will let my boy Rupert take it from here: "If you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain. If you're not into yoga, if you have half-a-brain. If you like making love at midnight, in the dunes of the cape. I'm the man you've looked for, write to me, and escape"

yankeevet 5 years ago

Adult services are cheaper then being married...................lol........

emaw 5 years ago

"I don't pay prostitutes for sex....I pay them to leave afterwards" Charlie Sheen lol

lynn84 5 years ago

First of all, I could be wrong but is Craigslist not free? That is my question for the person ranting about companies not wanting to give up a profit to save underage girls. I have sold/purchased things from the site and have never had to pay anything to the site.

Second of all, I agree human trafficking is a horrible thing but does anyone really think that making Craiglist remove the "adult services" tab is going to solve anything? You do not think that they will post under other "for sale" tabs or in newspapers in codes that most of us are oblivious to anyway? This has been going on for many years and I am sure that Craigslist is not the culprit. For me this is the equivolent of blaming the store owner for the child kidnapped from the parking lot. Maybe they could have had more security but ultimately it is not the store's fault. It is the kidnapper that is the deviant.

Lastly, I believe in free speech. That means that as much as I would spend my life fighting against what 'you' are saying, I will give my life fighting for your right to say it! I do find it amusing that most 'people' are anti-government until someone says or does something that they disagree with and then it is all about government intervention!!

denak 5 years ago

Craigslist makes its money by charging companies for advertising much like most free sites do.

For example, Craigslist charges $25 dollars per job posting in the six major US markets. It chrges $75 dollars in San Francisco. It charges $10 for brokered apartment listing in certain markets such as New York. Craigslist makes approximately 36 million dollars a year, or 30% of their profit, from the adult services section of its site.

It is good to know that you feel "horrible" about human trafficking. I'm sure Jim Buckmaster feels the same way...he, like you I suspect, just doesn't want to do anything about it especially since he gets a cut of that 36 million dollars.

Dena

whats_going_on 5 years ago

Ok, well THIS isn't funny, child trafficking and the like, but the legit adults who actually post on there looking for action are hilaaaaaarious.

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