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Letters to the Editor

Ecological future

April 15, 2010

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To the editor:

“The people of Ecuador went still farther, changing their constitution in 2008 to acknowledge the rights of nature and permit their people to sue on behalf of ecosystems, trees, rivers, and mountains.” — From David Orr’s new book, “Down to the Wire, Confronting Climate Collapse.”

Imagine a Lawrence where local businesses use one-third of the energy that they now use but with better indoor lighting for retail downtown at a fraction of the cost.

Imagine the possibility of a new four-star LEED platinum hotel and conference center (with no TIF funding and non-monitored design and construction cost), using readily available geothermal, wind and solar renewable energy with some restaurants sheathed in “green walls” as a new carbon-neutral, zero discharge in a downtown arts district.

Imagine a 24/7 downtown with visitors who came to experience the buzz of the oasis in Kansas, the first working model of post-fossil-fuel prosperity.

Imagine traveling just outside town to Overbrook and Lecompton, Jefferson and Leavenworth counties where dozens of farms form a greenbelt around the city, providing summer jobs for teens from nearby Kansas City who arrive by rail to learn the practice of sustainable agriculture.

Imagine a town where, like Chicago, they promoted greenroofs to avoid the kind of heat sink effects caused by large paving areas inextricably linked to suburban sprawl and the use of large expanses of high maintenance cost artificial athletic fields by ill-advised school districts in a state known for its native grasslands.

Comments

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

I've spent the last 10 minutes imagining such things, Sven.

I would be depressed and disturbed.

Such a scenario would promote ignorance of fundamental physics laws, the method of science based upon tests (rather than political expediency), and I would leave the town.

So, eliminate TIF funding, but accept subsidies for alternative energy fiascoes.

A downtown which attracts visitors who laugh at the joke that was designed by enginasters, scientific charlatans and new-age flim flam men.

Farms surrounding the city growing what? Oranges and lemons? No strawberries in winter, Sven. Paradise.

Have you ever played football on fescue, Sven. It lasts about 5 minutes. Where does the fertilizer come from for the grass, Sven? The stuff you clean out of the sustainable horse barn? Smells great.

I like technology, Sven. It works. We use cars because they are more convenient than trains, especially in small towns like Lawrence.

No thanks, Sven.

parrothead8 4 years, 8 months ago

I imagine your world...where everything is based on cost and convenience. THAT is depressing and disturbing.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 4 years, 8 months ago

"where everything is based on cost''

Not really. There are myriad externalized costs devo likes to ignore.

SettingTheRecordStraight 4 years, 8 months ago

The United States Constitution should "acknowledge the rights of nature and permit their people to sue on behalf of ecosystems, trees, rivers, and mountains." Really?

We should build a passenger railroad line connecting Lawrence with Overbrook. Really?

Fantasyland suggestions like these only isolate the environmentalist movement from the mainstream.

bleedgreen69 4 years, 8 months ago

you are right on Sven. we need to try to offset all the hot air that comes out of the close minded people's hole in the front of their head. this will actually help the world out side Lawrence...the mind is a terrible thing to waste...so is the environment.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

Hippie definition: One who rejects your reality and substitutes his own.

My reality is that energy runs machines and machines produce clean water, transportation, food, communication, clothes, and just about everything else. The cheapest and most useful energy comes from fossil fuels.

Sven's reality is that we should use geothermal, wind, and solar energy instead of fossil energy. They don't produce more energy than it takes to build an operate them. They pollute, but they are his pollution. Sven has shifted the paradigm to value feel-good energy. Never mind the energy budget which is in the red. The government will subsidize his feelings.

And if he begins to feel low because of the slow pace of his new way of thinking? Well, there's always other ways of creating realities......through natural chemistry.

He lives in a world of bad poets, poetasters and bad engineers, enginasters. Alan Ginsburg and photovoltaic flim flam men.

Hey, buddy, wanna buy a watch? Its natural.

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine a city where architects who preach environmentalism actually practiced it.

Imagine those architects not living in a concrete house, knowing that concrete is one of the most non-ecological building materials in the world, and has a horrid CO2 footprint when compared to other building materials.

Imagine those architects actually installing and using insulation in their personal residence, instead of just preaching about it.

Imagine such architects not filing frivolous lawsuits against the community at large for their private interests.

Imagine architects having a college degree in architecture.

Imagine architects not filing of technical professional license complaints against their colleagues in an effort to improve their ability to gain business.

Imagine architects that actually own their own home and paying their bills on time.

Imagine architects that didn't believe that school land next to their rented uninsulated concrete house is not their personal dog-park/greenspace but that they were smart enough to know that the school land should be used for school purposes.

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

Cheeseburger: you missed his last sentence.

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine a state where architects who actually engage in the creation of ecological projects, like the 5.4.7 Arts Center in Greensburg, http://www.547artscenter.org/ are recognized instead of being harassed by architects whose experience with "ecological" consists principally of his letters to the editor and using the term "ecological" in his company name.

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

The town with the cheapest land and most concrete can have the largest stadium. (Will Rogers)

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

The town with the cheapest land and most concrete can have the largest stadium. (Will Rogers)

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Alstrom has quite the imagination. It's too bad that he doesn't tell us how he would change things that he imagines. A TIF perhaps?

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Alstrom has quite the imagination. It's too bad that he doesn't tell us how he would change things that he imagines. A TIF perhaps?

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

More drainage & astroturf & crazy lawsuits!

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

Relax and have a popsicle, Sven. It's a cool and fruity treat on a spring day.

BrianR 4 years, 8 months ago

It's very hot outside. I come in from doing some outdoor chore. My fridge has a couple of beers in it. All is right with the world.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine a world where energy can be created. Imagine a world where creativity was all that was required of the sentient person. Imagine perfect communication, devoid of misunderstanding. Imagine and you can live such a world, until you wake up.

Like when the bill comes in the mail.

Oh, Paulette, Einstein valued creativity and wild explanations. He also valued experiment. He also knew that thought must be supported by test. It isn't good enough to just create a computer model, a dream.

You gotta do it.

And when it doesn't work, dream some more.

bleedgreen69 4 years, 8 months ago

the "other way" has in fact been proven devo-brun. It has been proven in open minded communities across the globe for a long time. Some parts of Europe have made it mandatory to build more resourcefully. Especially commercial structures. Bravo. And guess what, companies that have gone green with thier structures, heating, cooling actually save money, waste less energy, and resources, especially water-by installing green roofs-slowing the demand on storm water processing. Did you know you can actually store and re use the water that percolates through a green roof . It takes less processing to make it drinkable, and no processing if you are going to use it for irrigating a garden or a nearby school park. ... The ones that choose no to think about it are walking along right next to you -unconscious -simply consuming and being a mass of grey matter. Wow what an awesome world we live in where you can make a choice. A choice to dis associate with them. Weird that some people are no more intelligent than the oversized tires on there vehicle. Stop passing judgement on other people because they have chosen to use their profession to impact the world for the better. Now I see why I have heard there are only a handful of eco-friendly architectural projects in Lawrence. Stop the madness-design from within. There are people right next to you that have a right to choose one way or the other so CAN it. The beautiful thing about the field of architecture is that the ones that don't evolve, dont evolve and the ones that do, do it well!

"Cuz when you stop dreaming it is time to die" John Popper

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

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rtwngr 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine there was a song, "Imagine". Oh, wait a minute.... There already is one. My bad.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine that Kansas legislators realized that wind,solar and new hyropower would create thousands upon thousands upon thousands of new jobs for Kansas AND passed legislation entitled "Get On With It".

Imagine that residents realized that wind,solar and hydropower would require billions less to subsidize than coal and nuke power plus offer less expensive electric power.

Imagine a new industry that politicians could not export!

Thank You John Lennon for using the word Imagine.

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine wearing cheerful bright clothing as you drive along pot-holed streets (because pot-holes are speed-limiting devices) as you go to your dark home (dark because brown-outs are a good way to conserve energy). Keep your head and arms inside the fiery handbasket as it descends to the infernal regions. BTW, bleedgreen should relax and have a popsicle. It's a cool and fruity treat on a spring day.

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

When Bleedgreen69 buys a drink for Paulette2 around that casino wheel, I wonder which pocket pays for the drink.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Social Service League Where Everyday is Earth Day... and a place to help YOU Reduce,ReUse and Recycle

For home wares,pop coolers,clothes,computers,books and other goods in good working order. Take them to the Social Service League. Quite a respectable neighbor within our community.

905 Rhode Island 843 5414

The Social Service League is a friend to those in need.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

No, bleedgreen, you missed the point entirely. I don't care if you build green. I care that it works. I don't believe the flim flam folks. You do.

You used the word "proven".

Anything less than an energy budget will not convince me.


An energy budget is prepared the way a monetary budget is, only the unit of measure is the joule, not the dollar.

Capital expenses (in joules) for the design, test and construction of the technology is an energy cost up front.

Maintenance and down time must be factored into the budget as well.

I could flesh this out more, but I think you get the idea.


Now, you say that "other way" technologies exist that are proven. Let's use the LTE examples, wind, solar, geo.

Give me budgets that include all capital expenses (including cost of backup when the wind, sun fails). Choose one and show me a budget.

In joules of energy invested, used for operating, and provided to the customer.


Money can be easily shifted around and subsidies hidden. Just look at Enron. Even energy can be fudged, but not as easily. http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wp-content/uploads/downtoearth.html

Have you heard about the solar project in Spain that was selling green electricity at night? Turns out that they had a diesel generator running at night, but they were selling the electricity as if it was generated by the sun. Got caught

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/solar-fraud-could-eliminate-spanish-market-5380/

And more recently: http://www.bluewin.ch/de/index.php/24,265341/Schwindel_mit_Solarstrom_in_Spanien_aufgeflogen/de/news/wirtschaft/sda/

As for Europe: http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/03/31/31greenwire-slashed-subsidies-send-shivers-through-europea-32255.html

The party's over. Wake up......your being jobbed. Your being scammed by more creative scammers. You hippie rubes are being taken just as sure as Enron took California and The new Lawrence hotel developers will take their investors.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

You are forgetting that attribution thing again, paulette. http://fwbo.org/articles/buddhism&environment.html Plagiarism makes Saint Barbara cry.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

paulette, in 1953, when I was 9 months old, my mother contracted polio. She became quadriplegic. My father and his buddies were engineers. They built a wheel chair, breathing apparatus, springs and a bunch of stuff to help my mom live a life. She left the iron lung by learning to breath with neck muscles and using a gadget built by my dad to breath at night.

It was all done in an atmosphere of love, heartbreak, and laughter.

In 1955, the same engineering can-do attitude yielded the Salk vaccine and last year there were 30 cases of polio in the world. Mostly in India.

I trust rational thought. I rely on thinking to solve my problems. You may pray, I work.

But next time you worship your god, remember that you didn't get polio because somebody worked, tried, failed, and eventually won. By thinking.

Feelings are for wimps.

Boston_Corbett 4 years, 8 months ago

I agree with your points Devobrun. My family too experienced polio. And not to pick nits, but I think worldwide cases of polio are closer to 1,500-2,000 annually. India and Nigeria are a couple of the hot-spots. But we had an outbreak in the US last year too. These typically occur now in the US in Amish or other religious communities where vaccines are not used. There is still lots of live polio virus being shed and circulating in the US due to the nature of the immunizations currently used. Parents who ignore polio vaccines do so at their peril. http://www.polioeradication.org/casecount.asp

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

So I get flagged because I point out that Paulette and Bleedgreen are the very same person?

So this person is literally carrying on a two way conversation with himself on this thread.

And I point out that he has also been known on these boards as Cool/Spiderman/Ariadne/Rusty2/Coltrane etc

Kealing, if your usage agreement and promises made on this board mean anything, Paulette shouldn't even be here.

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

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KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

And I got grayed out because of talking about the LTE and two of the commenters. wow.

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

Worth repeating:

• jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says…

bronze- I've warned you privately, now I'll warn you publicly. You do not have bearded_gnome's name correct. If you don't immediately cease to attempt to out an anonymous user, your account will be banned. In addition, I will immediately ban any account I suspect to be created by you without notice, warning or further cause. This is your final warning. Jonathan Kealing Online editor

––––– How has paulette2 aka cool/spiderman/coltrane/bronze.....lasted this long Jonathan?

jafs 4 years, 8 months ago

devo.

Without feelings, you would not have had an atmosphere of love, heartbreak and laughter.

You would have had no particular motivation to do anything at all to help your mother.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 8 months ago

Relax and have a popsicle, paulette & others. It's a cool and fruity treat on a spring day.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Wow! just imagine!
a semi literate architect who still believes in the harmful myth of global warming, now totally disproven. apparently the fake religion of manmade global warming (Michael Crichton) completely holds this architect.

Imagine an arky-teck who lives in a totally "unsustainable" house!

imagine a community agitator who ginned up a fake and frivolous lawsuit costing the school district at least $10,000 who then beefs about the school district's budget.

imagine a local greenie with a weak grip on reality who hallucinates that there are Ravens living by the Lionsbowl.

Imagine this agitator who fights against district plans because there is supposedly not enough parking, then beefs about moving the tennis center to make more parking!

Imagine this local whiner who posts post after post under more than 15 different user names (because he kept violating the terms of service and got himself thrown off or TOSsed off) who repeatedly posted false information on this forum, and promised to agitate other neighborhoods against the LHS improvements.

Imagine a fan of: dried oregano, Coletrane, spiderman, bronze, cool, Ariadne, Rusty2, Paulette2, Jaguar, Ocean, and others.

Imagine an LJWorld admin that actually enforces the stated regulations and does not permit people to keep coming back time after time.

Imagine just what a condition Ecuador really is in now. letting the trees sue doesn't help their people by one red cent.

Imagine a local semi-employed architect who doesn't care about high unemployment, far higher food costs, job displacement. it is only people after all!

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

btw, please avoid hitting the reply feature if you want your posts read, and if you want them to stay when paulette2/bleedgreen et al get thrown off.


All the works of man have their origin in creative fantasy. What right have we then to depreciate imagination. Carl Jung

Paulette2, here and in your earlier quote you reference psychological functioning.

for your information I would cite the scholarly work of Heller, "Catch-22" in which it is thoroughly proven that the crazy cannot be in charge of deciding who is crazy!

further, from interacting with you on these boards, I know your understanding of psychology or Carl Jung is about as deep as the snow melt runoff from your roof! stick your toe in, okay?

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

and no processing if you are going to use it for irrigating a garden or a nearby school park. ... The ones that choose no to think about it are walking along right next to you -unconscious -simply consuming and being a mass of grey matter. Wow what an awesome world we live in where you can make a choice. A choice to dis associate with them. Weird that some people are no more intelligent than the oversized tires on there vehicle. Stop passing judgement on other people because they have chosen to use their profession to impact the world for the better. Now I see why I have heard there are only a handful of eco-friendly architectural projects in Lawrence. Stop the madness-design from within. There are people right next to you that have a right to choose one way or the other so CAN it. The beautiful thing about the field of architecture is that the ones that don't evolve, dont evolve and the ones that do, do it well!

---said bleedgreen/paulette2/et al, but it is perfectly okay for him to judge thos who wish for a more rational world, cheaper energy and cheaper food.

why do the greenie wheenies hate people? call them a virus infecting the earth? why do they especially hate poor people, and care not one bit that for example ethanol has pushed the cost of corn, and thus the cost of tortillas through the roof!
third world famine, greenie wheenies say WTH. we will happily judge people, call them "gray matter" no smarter than tires.
we are the elitist enlightened ones! and BTW, we don't care about the U.S. constitution, property rights, freedom of expression, etc.

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

Shout Bankrupt !

And do this at least twice.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

Jafs, you are quite right.

The emotion is what you monitor. You acknowledge your feelings. Welcome them. Don't deny them.

Then you put them on the shelf and start thinking. After you feel, then think, you do.

Be sensitive. Then get tough. Be thoughtful. Then act. And when you act, don't wallow in feelings and thoughts.

You feel and think on the practice round. But when it comes time to perform, you grip it and rip it.


But people who are self-absorbed and constantly in touch with their feelings rarely produce anything but more feelings. Sometimes they are impelled to tell others what to do.

All those wonderful people in India who can lay on a bed of needles, walk on hot coals, sit on a mountain all night in 10 degree F temperatures and many other feats of individual body control.......do nothing for the other guy.

Hey, swami, build me an alternative energy machine. Ain't gonna happen.

Sven and Paulette, be happy. Be one with your surroundings (when they suit you). Don't make decisions for the rest of us. You really don't have the tools for that job.

Oh, and if you become thoughtful........thank the engineers who purified the water you are drinking right now. Haiti could use some more engineers and fewer religious types right now.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Merrill pontificated: merrill (anonymous) says…

Social Service League Where Everyday is Earth Day... and a place to help YOU Reduce,ReUse and Recycle

---Merrill promotes nude hiking, nude biking, and nude gardening.

Imagine: Merrill doing his lawn mowing business nude, too? ... or don't, it might be better not to imagine that!

Merrill says that if we all lived in caves it would be better for the environment. he says that broken streets are good as passive traffic calming devices. Merrill also says we should have rolling mandatory power outages to force energy conservation.
he wants to close the Lawrence airport, thinking that that would somehow make an environmental effect, though the big guys he is really fighting would then have to drive from KC/Topeka, burning gasoline.

this displays the real thinking of these greenie wheenies.


Devo, your father was a hero, and your pride in his engineering is obvious. love motivated him, but hard work, trial after trial, plus applying real scientific knowledge is what fixed the problem and saved your mother's life!

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

A Man only learns by two things, one is reading, and the other is association with smarter people. (Will Rogers)

bliddel 4 years, 8 months ago

Imagine a world where ALGORE actually believed what he said enough to stop flying his huge personal jet quite so much, and trimmed his own energy-hog mansion back to mere opulence level.

Imagine a world where the environmental extremists would quit whining about the infinitesimal amount of nuclear waste to be stored were we to use nuclear fission reactors to power our new electric cars instead of having to wait for the clouds to clear and the wind to come back. 13 cents per KwH beats the living daylights out of 50 cents per KwH in my book!

Imagine a world where the environmental extremists actually understood the difference between a Kw and a KwH.

Imagine a world where the environmental extremists did not go all NIMBY on the Supercollider being built in Texas years ago (until de-funded by Clinton), wherein by now we might have had safe controlled fusion reactors.

Imagine a world where the environmental extremists demanded we outlaw volcanic eruptions, which are far more polluting than anything mankind does.

Imagine a world where the environmental extremists - instead of attacking my character - began trading in their SUVs for subcompacts like the one I drive, and began insulating their own homes as I have done, and began using LED lights as I do.

BruceWayne 4 years, 8 months ago

Mr.Kealing, If you wanted to let this go until Sven made you look like a complete idiot, you are there my friend. Time to drop the ax. Sven, They are still not going to hire you. Ever.Stop begging.

Ken Lassman 4 years, 8 months ago

Wow. This comment thread has to win the Gordian Knot award for being too scrambled up to be salvageable without using a sword! Too bad, because there were some gem-like moments in it that could have initiated some real dialogue. There really seems to be some folks out there who flunked kindergarten because they apparently spent that year sitting in the corner for interrupting, not sharing, not considering others, etc.

How sad.

rtwngr 4 years, 8 months ago

DougCounty - My desk and I were in the hallway because I couldn't shut up in class much like I can't shut up here.

The LTE is convoluted, full of imaginary what ifs. Merrill has cut and pasted VOLUMES once again. The green gang is out promoting wind, solar, and Lord knows what else regardless that the expenses of these ventures on a national scale are impossible to "imagine". The United States slips closer to insolvency now that a law has been passed to reduce the quality of healthcare for 80 percent of the population so that 20 percent can get "health insurance". And still Nero fiddles while Rome burns.

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

I think it's beautifull like a Kerouac poem! Okay. Quit. Mad. Stop.

Kerouac Jack

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Paulette2, with his atrocious behavior under 14 other ID's, citing religious texts is as believable as my dog citing molecular biology!

that's what we're reacting to, Dougcounty, and the LTE is vapid, pointless, rambling, and displays the usual emptyheaded thinking of the greenie wheenies.
there ya' go.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Paulette2, with his atrocious behavior under 14 other ID's, citing religious texts is as believable as my dog citing molecular biology!

that's what we're reacting to, Dougcounty, and the LTE is vapid, pointless, rambling, and displays the usual emptyheaded thinking of the greenie wheenies.
there ya' go.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.

---by Mark Twain. Imagine ...

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

ooops, sorry for the double posting up thar!


To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. ---William Shakespeare, easily applied to Paulette2 and the LTE.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Am I the only one that gets the timing of Sven's "imagine" letter to the editor???

clearly it was timed to try to gin up his street cred for Earth Day. wonder if it helped him with the Patchouli ladies on saturday.


If an idiot were to tell you the same story every day for a year, you would end by believing it.

Horace Mann (1796 - 1859)

Ron Holzwarth 4 years, 8 months ago

A lie, repeated often enough, will end up as truth. - Dr Paul Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda (1933-1945)

bleedgreen69 4 years, 8 months ago

no excuses, just choices -----gnome,devo, proud engineer, angry being. you make your choices that directly impact all. don't just ride on your way, make your mother proud, not saddened by who you have become.

let others worry and try to solve the issues consciously without "knowing all "about the budget. it was simply a nice jesture to imagine. if you are not happy with his list, cool. create your own. being negative and combative solves a lot of world issues. so does ignorance.

perhaps you should not be so paranoid about an editorial comment. it stated nothing about ego. Sven sure did stir the pot a bit. man did he....now what?

go make a change with your own routine, green or not, just slow down once each day, make what you believe is a conscious decision and it will be noticed. your way. my way.

"let's relax and have a popsicle somewhere, it was a nice springday" amen brother, amen. good to lighten it up a bit

Jack Karouac style, amen. it is a blog ie a place for fragmented thoughts by very busy people, no?

Liberty275 4 years, 8 months ago

Pout Shease!!

You eco warriors do some conserving today to make up for the pure gasoline I waste racing the vette.

Imagine 3 MPG Imagine 500 HP Imagine tire smoke wafting through the air.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

Bleedgreen, 1:30 am free-form poetry is a dangerous thing.

Its a good thing computers are not "heavy machinery". Otherwise you would have endangered yourself and others while writing your post.

devobrun 4 years, 8 months ago

Bleedgreen, 1:30 am free-form poetry is a dangerous thing.

Its a good thing computers are not "heavy machinery". Otherwise you would have endangered yourself and others while writing your post.

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

So...now that Paulette2 and Bleedgreen have been disappeared, what's the over/under on when he'll return?

KU_Dude 4 years, 8 months ago

My bad. Bleedgreen is still around, just Paulette2 is gone.

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

I'm getting all misty. (Maynard G Krebs)

svenway_park 4 years, 8 months ago

Well that action was certainly a couple of months late.

I think is why the letter author created the new identity, because he knew that the old was about to become toast.

Hey, Kealing, consider this: One letter to the editor. Two identities talking back and forth to each other. And someone looking over the thread and suggesting removal of posts from others.

And how many people are these?

So who is abusing the forum? It is not the rest of us. Stay on top of bleedgreen, instead of ignoring him for months.

independant1 4 years, 8 months ago

i imagine

on the muddy banks of the Kaw in the firelight

the smell of natural compost, smoke and cheap beer almost equalize the smell of rotting fish

olfactory overload

Hey Bud, think you got a bite on that line, pass the bottle.

that Kerouac Jack foray messed with my head

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

Alas poor Paulette2, I knew him ... adapted from Shakespeare.


windy, reason for the reaction: 1, LTE writer is very well known to us, 2. writer of the lte does notpractice what he preaches 3. his history is quite checkered indeed.
4. his letter manifests the usual disrespect for private property rights and actual science of the radical greenies who don't care how much human suffering results from the changes they promote.
5. the writer of the lte has a long history as an agitator, promoter of a frivolous lawsuit against the school district, and extortioner dragging the school district around by its nose.
6. he is actually not a home owner in the neighborhood that he agitates.

is that enough, if I thought about it Windy, I could come up with four or ten more points!


shout dried oregano! while listening to Coletrane and being a fan of Spiderman.
imagine Ravens around the Lionsbowl!

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

L275: great list man! Imagine those!


Babblegreen69: no excuses, just choices -----gnome,devo, proud engineer, angry being. you make your choices that directly impact all. don't just ride on your way, make your mother proud, not saddened by who you have become.

---sorry, my mother is quite proud of me, I suspect you are engaging in projection, eh?
sometimes in this world, you have to stand up against evil people.

Imagine a poster on LJWorld who harrasses other posters with private messages; Imagine that poster also posts threats of physical violence, and sends such PM's; and imagine that self same poster repeatedly posts misleading and plain false info on here; Imagine that that poster highjacks threads, revives old ones, posts the same things over and over, etc.
Imagine this poster gets himself thrown off of LJWorld for violations 14 {now 15} times!; Imagine? I imagine you'd get rather worked up about Paulette2 also!

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

hey! does anybody know? just what got Paulette2 TOSsed off this time?

I'm just curious: did he try to out my identity again
did he threaten physical violence again? or ... what?

bearded_gnome 4 years, 8 months ago

bong hits for Jonathan Kealing!

took too long for you to flush paulette2. but glad it's done.

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