Advertisement

Letters to the Editor

Big government

October 20, 2009

Advertisement

To the editor:

The health care package coming down the pipe does not address the major issues (problems) of the current health care system. What this legislation will accomplish is a cross section of what is wrong with big government. Premiums will increase, taxes will increase across the board, the deficit will skyrocket out of sight, government expansion will increase along with the mandates that accompany it.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates on the cost of the “Baucus” bill are based on unreasonable projections and so much smoke and mirrors. The first five years are frontloaded with increased taxes and Medicare cuts ($121 billion). Several of the assumptions are out and out ludicrous, like the assumption that taxing “Cadillac” plans will increase revenues by 10-15 percent. Any economist will tell you if you tax something you will get less of it. Another economic principle you might want to consider is the fact that anytime government provides something for one individual it has to take something from another individual.

For an economy currently on life support, this will jerk the plug from the wall.

Comments

Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

Think National Health Insurance!

The most expensive medical insurance industry in the world is increasing the cost of THEIR insurance daily. Bill Moyers stated that to date the industry had spent $380 million to defeat any sensible reform. Politicians and distributing misinformation does cost a bundle of money http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/blog/2009/10/bill_moyers_michael_winship_in.html

However changing nothing will also increase the cost of the most expensive medical insurance in the world. Not too long ago this email came to me which is a very good indication of what cost increases will look like:

“In front of me I have a document from my employer that shows their cost for insurance.

Medical, Dental and Vision for the year 2010 my employer will pay $15,450. I will pay another $2860 out of my pay check. $18,310 a year for insurance is ludicrous, and we wonder why so many companies are having massive layoffs. It is a real travesty that nothing is going to happen in the near future on health care.”

There are thousands of expensive insurance medical insurance operations in the USA. These high dollar operations do not provide health care they merely take your money aka "the middle man". What a scam!

Most of what does increase the cost of the most expensive medical insurance in the world has nothing to do with health care. But a whole lot to do with making and sharing profits such as:

• its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders are the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients! • Special interest campaign dollars Golden parachutes * Politicians as shareholders: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

The fiscally conservative approach would be to eliminate all of the above and consolidate all medical insurance under one roof. This not only makes dollars and sense it WOULD SAVE CLIENTS/PATIENTS $350 billion annually.

Allow me to introduce The National Health Insurance Act which does exactly that. Go To: http://www.healthcare-now.org/hr-676/

The most expensive medical insurance industry in the world has effectively kept discussion of the National Health Insurance Act out of the media and off the floor of the house and senate at a cost of $380 million thus far. That cost will be passed on to the insured.

Call your legislators and demand the National Health Insurance Act. Go To: http://www.healthcare-now.org/hr-676/

Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

HR 676 National Health Insurance protects families and business at the same time. No more large chunks from the paycheck for health insurance that sometimes is not worth the paper it’s written on. Business will not be forced to shell out large amounts for employees. Yet all citizens will receive identical coverage. Why should health insurance be treated like some retail object on a shelf in the business district?

Why HR676 National Health Insurance? • We’ll all receive identical health insurance coverage • Provides extraordinary leverage against suppliers • Protects families and business alike from being gouged by the health insurance industry • Treatment for serious illness such as cancer will not be cut off because a patient has reached the point insurance companies will pay no more…happens everyday • 60% of health insurance today is paid with tax dollars ($1.2 Trillion) http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/2008/0508harrison.html • Citizens will not be forced to lose all of their assets or file bankruptcy due to serious illness as does happen somewhere everyday as we speak • Eliminates health insurance dollars going into special interest campaign cookie jars • Eliminates health insurance dollars from financing golden parachutes • Veterans receive care immediately for whatever symptoms war has imposed on their physical or mental health. No more waiting on the Dept. of Defense

National Health Insurance eliminates tons different policies thus eliminating tons of wasteful administrative costs and profits. That in and of itself would save consumers $350 billion annually. That is a savings worth pursuing.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 2 months ago

What's the difference between HR 676 and a peach pit lodged in a mandrill's bowels? The peach pit has a chance of being passed.

puddleglum 5 years, 2 months ago

thanks tom for conceeding the next two elections. I think you finally are getting it. the hopelessness of the g.o.p.

teabaggers, birthers, sarah palins, astroturfers, childish congressmen, great white hopes, nobel-naysayers it has been a very entertaining year watching the g.o.p.

but cheer up, at least you guys have brownback and moron and the great white hope herself!

puddleglum 5 years, 2 months ago

oh yeah, and Roberts.

nice pro-rape voting record, you tool.

monkeyhawk 5 years, 2 months ago

I would say more predictable than exciting.

We can point to recent Lawrence history - once the masses woke up and saw what was going on, progressive "vision" was soundly defeated. (Though the ramifications will be ongoing for many years ...)

We can thank the three amigos for the civics lesson, and thank our lucky stars that the rest of the country has caught on early enough to perhaps prevent massive, permanent damage.

labmonkey 5 years, 2 months ago

If you are gonna call Roberts pro-rape, then I am gonna call all democrats who voted against a partial-birth abortion ban baby killers....and our President has a good pro-baby killer trac record.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 2 months ago

Well Scott, I hope your family gets cancer and you get dropped from your health care coverage.

How bout them apples.

Kirk Larson 5 years, 2 months ago

"I think I got carried away and was sort of projecting, that 2010 and 2012 belongs to the right."

Tom, like most conservatives, does a lot of projecting.

Phil Minkin 5 years, 2 months ago

Scott says: "Premiums will increase,"
Excuse me, but have you seen the outrageous increases over the last 10 years? Far higher than inflation. With no competiion,( in more than 40 states one or two insurers control 80% of policys) people are at the mercy of insurance companies. We need a public option to control, not increase costs.

rtwngr 5 years, 2 months ago

Hey Merrill, try reading something other than all the left-wing garbage you cut and paste on your replies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/top-five-reasons-the-bauc_b_289380.html

http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/16/obamacare-health-care-business-healthcare-baucus-faq.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107204574471292249934348.html

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/10/08/baucus-bill-would-cost-more-than-2-trillion/

I doubt that you will read any of these for the same reasons I wouldn't give you a spit for anything, that left wing hack, Bill Moyers, has to say on any subject.

rtwngr 5 years, 2 months ago

Hey rooster, you better watch out what you wish for. Karma has a way of coming back on you when you put out bad stuff. What kind of a person is it that wishes for another to contract a potentially fatal disease? What kind of person wishes for others to suffer just so they can prove their point.

What civilized people do in a civilized society is exchange ideas in the public realm. These ideas can be discussed with passion and, sometimes, sarcasm. To wish ill on someone else not only weakens your side of the debate, but reduces the argument to a base level that ideas no longer matter.

Now, all that being said, if your computer develops a virus and you can no longer post blogs, it will not bother me at all.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 2 months ago

Speaking of voting... Latest outrage from “let-em-go” Holder’s DOJ: “KINSTON, N.C. | Voters in this small city decided overwhelmingly last year to do away with the party affiliation of candidates in local elections, but the Obama administration recently overruled the electorate and decided that equal rights for black voters cannot be achieved without the Democratic Party. The Justice Department's ruling, which affects races for City Council and mayor, went so far as to say partisan elections are needed so that black voters can elect their "candidates of choice" - identified by the department as those who are Democrats and almost exclusively black. The department ruled that white voters in Kinston will vote for blacks only if they are Democrats and that therefore the city cannot get rid of party affiliations for local elections because that would violate black voters' right to elect the candidates they want.” http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/20/justice-dept-blocks-ncs-nonpartisan-vote/#

tbaker 5 years, 2 months ago

The democrats efforts to turn the country into a giant assisted-living facility - and set conditions for their perpetual re-election - will back-fire because the country is going bankrupt. People are frightened by our massive (and growing) national debt and all of the scary problems it is and will continue to cause. 43 cents of every dollar spent in Washington is now borrowed, and since no jobs are being created to increase the tax base, this number will increase.

The political liabilities of the growing debt, stubborn unemployment, higher taxes, shrinking dollar, a rudderless war, and perhaps even some nasty inflation will combine to end the democratic congress. The loss of seats in the 2010 election will effectively stop the socialist agenda, and the loss of seats (and the White House) in 2012 will reverse it.

Enjoy it while you can lefties. You are making the rope you will be hung with.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 2 months ago

rtwngr, Conservatives seem to only understand hipocrisy.

So maybe one way for dear scott here to understand the magnitude of our healthcare issues is to walk in someone else's shoes.

Once he has a medical emergency and is dropped from his coverage like many americans have been then maybe he will get the picture.

Jimo 5 years, 2 months ago

Geez! If only Republicans had participated in negotiating a bipartisan agreement to reform health insurance perhaps there'd be a more fiscally sound plan.

salad 5 years, 2 months ago

This letter: (synopsis)

"There's stuff I'm mad about that hasn't happened yet, so I'm gonna make a bunch of wild, baseless claims, and WILL them into fact by the force of my rage!!!!!!!!!"

tbaker 5 years, 2 months ago

The "picture" you and others fail to "get" dear Rooster, is the fact there is not a single example of the federal government making a big entitlement program work, and by "work" you can chose what ever metric you like to define it. PEOPLE make this country great - not the government. As it is with everything else, health care most certainly included, the more the PEOPLE are empowered to make their own choices and decisions and spend their own money as they see fit, the better (fill in the blank) function will work.

Those who operate from the assumption our country's problems (insert health care here) are so large, and so complex that only the federal government can fix it completely ignore this very long track record of 100% government failure to deliver as promised. It is always vastly more expensive and provides far-less to far-fewer people than was the original intent, and it always (at the very least) frustrates efforts by individual citizens to take care of themselves and incentivizes dependency.

The good news is we simply cannot afford it. Our country's balance sheet will ultimately bring this unconstitutional, idealistic insanity to an end. RE: California.

salad 5 years, 2 months ago

"Those who operate from the assumption our country's problems (insert health care here) are so large, and so complex that only the federal government can fix it completely ignore this very long track record of 100% government failure to deliver as promised"

This is complete BS. Tbaker complete ignores the many many govt. programs that DO work well: clean air/clean water act, the post office (FedEx can't deliever a letter for $0.45), police, fire, water, DOT, FAA (lets see all those rich pilots provide their own flight service centers), FDA. You also ignore the immorallity of linking our healthcare to corporate profits.

"As it is with everything else, health care most certainly included, the more the PEOPLE are empowered to make their own choices and decisions and spend their own money as they see fit, the better (fill in the blank) function will work."

Except that it doesn't work for healthcare, because there already IS no choice. You don't pick your provider, your employer does, you don't pick your doctor, you provider gives you a list. Markets and choice don't work when corporate greed has it's thumb on the scale.

overthemoon 5 years, 2 months ago

Salad,

My thoughts as well. I do not understand why people drive themselves crazy making this stuff up!! It all manufactured nonsense coming from a few very unreliable sources. If they'd pay attention to basic facts, they could just go out and enjoy the nice weather!!

salad 5 years, 2 months ago

Anyone against universal healthcare should just up and admitt that poor kids that get sick should just die quickly so they don't burden the system, and that women who suffer domestic abuse shouldn't have their injuries covered, since they're pre-existing conditions, which is how they're viewed legally in eight states ("news of the wierd" in todays KC Star). Most of you are missing the issue: the current system of healthcare for profit is immoral. If you understand that fact, everything else is moot and our course of action is clear.

salad 5 years, 2 months ago

BTW, there's absolutely nothing, zip, zero in the constitution about giving everyone a free twelve year education on the public dole, yet there sits our public educational system, which everyone thinks is a pretty good deal. If you don't like the system, you have CHOICE to either work really hard and pay for your kid to go to private school, or pull them out and home-school. Regardless, everyone is covered for an education, which is an excellent investment in the public good. It is an equally good investment in the public good for everyone to be covered for healthcare. The US is the only country in the entire world, where one can go into bankruptcy by suffering the misfortune of getting sick.* For profit healthcare and tying healthcare to your job is an alliance of unspeakable evil.

*"Free Lunch" by David Kay Johnston (2008)

Brent Garner 5 years, 2 months ago

Salad, I agree, we don't get a choice in healthcare. So I ask you this, if the current system is messed up because we have not choice how will turning it all over to the government increase the competition you say is missing? As so many, dare I say it, conservatives have been advocating let's change the laws so that insurance companies have to compete across state lines. Let's cap pain and suffering awards in lawsuits--note I did not say cap economic or medical damages just the famous miscellaneous category called pain and suffering. Better yet, lets make is so the loser pays all! That alone would discourage frivolous lawsuits. No attorney anywhere would take a case he/she didn't think could be won. Let's also work toward paying doctors what their services are worth! Medicare and medicaid--both gov't run programs--try to contain costs by setting the prices gov't will pay. The result is doctors not willing to take those patients and a decline in services in rural areas. Let's require doctors and hospitals to publicly list the costs of their services. That way the consumer can possibly shop around. Lets get the AMA out of the business of "influencing" the number of medical students that get into med school. Bottomline, let's get the artificial constraints out of the flow of supply and see if demand doesn't get met and prices end up falling.

tbaker 5 years, 2 months ago

Salad, et all, you have reading and/or comprehension problems.

Take your time and please note I said "entitlement" programs. Feel free to list for me the successful entitlement programs.

BTW, if the FAA is so wonderful, what explains the record delays in air travel? There is a very good answer if you are willing to do a small amount of research for yourself.

tbaker 5 years, 2 months ago

BTW Salad, you are exactly right about public education, which is precisely why the department of education should be closed. It will spend $78 billion in K-12 education subsidies and higher education subsidies in 2009, and what have we got for that? More large bureaucracy to administer. More funding and regulations, but no improvement in academic results. The federal grants and loans for college and university students have contributed to soaring inflation in tuition costs. Student grants and loan programs have considerably high levels of fraud and abuse. Let the states keep the money and spend it how they see fit. DoE is a poster child for failed big-government bureaucracy.

jaywalker 5 years, 2 months ago

So many fallacies, so little time.......

"This is complete BS. Tbaker complete ignores the many many govt. programs that DO work well: clean air/clean water act, the post office (FedEx can't deliever a letter for $0.45), police, fire, water, DOT, FAA (lets see all those rich pilots provide their own flight service centers), FDA"

Ok, the "clean air/clean water act" is not a program, they are separate laws for alleviating pollution. Beneficial- yes, comparable to healthcare-not in a million years.

"the post office (Fedex can't deliver a letter for $0.45)"

And neither can the post office, in case you haven't been keeping up with current events and their struggles with bankruptcy. Listing the post office as a 'successful' comparison is, well, silly.

Police, fire, water, DOT - those are services provided on a local and state level, brain trust. They are not federally regulated and don't come near the size and scope that government intervention into healthcare would take on.

"Anyone against universal healthcare should just up and admitt that poor kids that get sick should just die quickly blah blah blah"

Exceptionally moronic statement and the basis for numerous fallacious arguments; non-sequitur, strawman, call it what you will. Whatever it is, it's dumb, dishonest, and intellectually void of any rational thought. Well done.

"The US is the only country in the entire world, where one can go into bankruptcy by suffering the misfortune of getting sick.*"

First of all, buffalo chips. Secondly, the U.S. is also THE number one country for quality healthcare; it's the best in the world. Period. We have, per capita, the best doctors, surgeons, nurses, and hospitals on the planet. Not to mention, our system, which happens to fund the greatest, most vast R and D sector in the world, enables countries like England, Germany, and Canada to sit back and let us do all the breakthrough work in medicine and then reap the benefits. We go to universal care, alot of that goes away and the world suffers along with us. But by all means, let's weaken the system by homogenization; if it's not 'fair' for everybody let's dilute it, thin it out, so that everyone get's crappy care. That's the 'fair' thing to do, right?

GardenMomma 5 years, 2 months ago

For once I agree with you Tom. It has been weird since Obama has taken office. I sure wish people would just knock it off and get along. But then, that would make it REALLY weird.

jaywalker 5 years, 2 months ago

To your last comment, Pilgrim, .... me, too. Decided to just let that one go, though.

tbaker 5 years, 2 months ago

Jaywalker - Once again the communication process breaks down. You STILL haven't told me about the successful government ENTITLEMENT program. I'll save you the trouble. There isn't one.

DoT is a "...services provided on a local and state level" You realize the Department of Transportation is a Federal government agency - right?

BTW, FedEx most certainly could deliver letters for at or less than 45 cents, but they can't. It is illegal for anyone other than the USPS to deliver first class mail.

Jimo 5 years, 2 months ago

"As it is, not a single Republican member of Congress has been invited to any White House meetings on health insurance reform since last April."

Since April - like when this legislation was introduced, like at the big kick-off. Why would anything else be true? So what?

WH meetings - what meetings? This isn't a GOP vs. Obama negotiation. You may not remember your civics but the WH doesn't come into this picture until a bill get's passed by Congress, where there have been meetings after meetings in which Republicans were present but refused to agree to the bills as proposed or to introduced their own competing bill! Too busy speaking in tongues and practicing GOP epileptic fits.

Sorry, but reality is that its been Party of NO! all along. You can't refuse to participate and then get to complain about the result.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 2 months ago

Why pay the most expensive medical insurance industry in the world anything?

Think about it. It's so many many many working people WITH insurance that are being forced into bankruptcy after years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later...what's the point?

Prudent reasons why National Health Insurance for All should be the choice for all in America:

http://www.healthcare-now.org/ ( TRUE PUBLIC OPTION)

65% want citizen/taxpayer supported National Health Insurance plan: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2009/09/25/us/politics/25pollgrx.html

Never never never forget… It is the private medical insurance industry that cancels YOUR medical insurance AFTER taking YOUR MONEY for years.

Face it what wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too many healthy citizens pay out to insurance companies in a 12 month period they would never spend that much in 12 months no way jose'... with very very few exceptions. So why are we giving a middle man so much money? What's the point?

Paying out all that money is no guarantee the most expensive insurance industry will stick with you when the bills come rolling in.

Think about it. It's so many many many working people WITH insurance that are being forced into bankruptcy. Why pay an insurance company anything?

Commenting has been disabled for this item.