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KU AD Perkins meets with football players over concerns about coach Mark Mangino

KU linebacker Arist Wright complained that Mangino poked him in the chest

Kansas coach Mark Mangino and the Jayhawks take to the field before the Kansas and Kansas State game on Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009 in Manhattan.

Kansas coach Mark Mangino and the Jayhawks take to the field before the Kansas and Kansas State game on Saturday, Nov. 7, 2009 in Manhattan.

November 17, 2009, 9:40 a.m. Updated November 17, 2009, 9:45 p.m.

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Mark Mangino press conference, Tuesday, Nov. 17, 2009

In his weekly press conference, Coach Mark Mangino discusses the Nebraska game, the upcoming game against Texas, and an investigation the athletic department is conducting. Enlarge video

Kansas University athletic director Lew Perkins met Monday night with the school's football players to discuss concerns about football coach Mark Mangino brought to his attention by one of the current players and others with ties to the football program.

Arist Wright, a senior linebacker, was the player who first went to Perkins, and complained that Mangino poked him in the chest in the days leading up to KU's game at Colorado.

"I can confirm an internal review is under way," Perkins said in a quote released by the school. "It involves a personnel matter, and as a result, is confidential. It would be inappropriate for me to provide further information right now."

Mangino said he met with Perkins for 10 to 15 minutes before the athletic director met with players, but wasn't present for Perkins' meeting with the players.

"If you want to know what was said, I'm not disclosing it. He's the one who's disclosing information about it, I'm not," Mangino said.

In their eighth year under Mangino, the Jayhawks (5-5) take a five-game losing streak into this week's contest against Texas.

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Comments

yankeevet 5 years, 1 month ago

Hummmmmmmmmmmm.....whats up with this???

spym00se 5 years, 1 month ago

Probably something about his health, which is none of our business.

RogueThrill 5 years, 1 month ago

It's not about his health. It's about how they are upset with his coaching.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

naw, they aren't going to get rid of him that quickly. he has been a very effective and successful coach.

i am really curious what's going on w/ this tho... remember the youtube video of him cussing one of the players out? i wonder if it is something like that?

Brent Fry 5 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, it probably has to do with him cussing out players. I'm pretty sure he's the only football coach who does that.

RonBurgandy 5 years, 1 month ago

Careful CMM, some people don't get sarcasm :)

I'm sure things are testy and people are at each other's throats internally on the team b/c of the underperforming season and also the whole scruffle earlier in the year with the bball team.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

cmm, i didn't know why they made such a big deal out of him going off on his players like they did but it made national news. i don't make this stuff up-- i just report it. ;)

TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 1 month ago

Mangino's pregnant!!!! Congrats coach. "OOOooooooh, feel that kick? He's gonna be a soccer player"

Richard Payton 5 years, 1 month ago

Maybe Todd Haley and Mark Mangino can have a shared group cuss session football style.

monkeyspunk 5 years, 1 month ago

honeychild, what coach are you talking about? How is a less than .500 record in conference successful? How many above .500 conference seasons has he had?

Oh my gosh he has a BCS bowl game! Whoopdy friggin do. Utah has two and they aren't in a BCS league!

BobtheBuilder 5 years, 1 month ago

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Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

monkey, last time i checked we have been to a bowl game for what? 2 years in a row and one of them was a BCS bowl. we won them both. um.... wouldn't that be considered a success?

so the guy's team starts sucking midway thru this season and all of the sudden he's worthy of being fired? damn-- i'm glad you guys don't sign MY paycheck! geesh!

Brent Fry 5 years, 1 month ago

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garyr 5 years, 1 month ago

I heard it was about the possiblility of him going to Notre Dame, and the players wanting him to stay.

bearded_gnome 5 years, 1 month ago

Mangino's pregnant!!!! Congrats coach. “OOOooooooh, feel that kick? He's gonna be a soccer player”

---only one? betting triplets here!


being the grand KUAC Poobah, wonder if Mangino has done something to cut into the gravytrain. then, ol' LP just quietly gives a player the nudge and wink so player comes forward with complaint. ... hmmm.

but hey! turkey drumsticks anyone?

if he's fired: "our coach can eat your coach" replaced with : "our coach bit the big one!"

hbjayhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that one of his star players suggested they just skip this Saturday's game @ Texas to be "injury free" for the finale vs. Missouri to be bowl eligilble. Rumor has it that he charged the player like a wildebeast and had to be restrained by the entire O-line and 2 coaches. Sounds like he was one punch short of taking the Raiders head-coaching position. We love you Mark. I like the way you fire us up before we play #3 Texas. Hopefully this gets the guys motivated to win a big one.

yankeevet 5 years, 1 month ago

Mangino taking over as headcoach for the Chiefs??

nobody1793 5 years, 1 month ago

Based on the comments taken down, I suspect they were hitting a little too close to the truth perhaps?

BlackVelvet 5 years, 1 month ago

So now you can't say ch*ked on here? wow.....

monkeyspunk 5 years, 1 month ago

honeychild, it takes only 6 wins to get into a bowl game. When you stack up your non-conference schedule with 3 or 4 power puffs, making just any bowl game is trivial.

Yes one of our bowl games was a BCS game, but like I said, only one in 8 years is NOT that impressive, when you consider that teams like Utah and Boise State have each had wins in BCS games in the same time period. Utah has done so with two different coaches.

I will concede that Mangino is the most successful coach in KU football history. But consider the context of that statement before we deify him.

Venom 5 years, 1 month ago

monkeyspunk (Anonymous) says…

honeychild, it takes only 6 wins to get into a bowl game. When you stack up your non-conference schedule with 3 or 4 power puffs, making just any bowl game is trivial.

Yes one of our bowl games was a BCS game, but like I said, only one in 8 years is NOT that impressive, when you consider that teams like Utah and Boise State have each had wins in BCS games in the same time period. Utah has done so with two different coaches.

I will concede that Mangino is the most successful coach in KU football history. But consider the context of that statement before we deify him.

Give me a break Utah (MWC) and Boise state (WAC) LOL they play in real tough conferences. Like to see how they would fair in a power conference where they have more that one good team in it. Throw BSU or Utah in the Big 12, SEC, Big 10 etc. and watch them get pounded game after game which would equal no BCS bowls. Compairing teams like that are like apples to oranges.

SCOE 5 years, 1 month ago

lets look at this a little, Mangino 8 yrs -- 1 yr with an above .500 conference record, no big 12 north titles much less big 12 titles, the only above .500 big 12 season he didn't play the top big 12 south teams, all this from the 16th highest paid coach in the country, surely for that kind of money we should see better -- let me be the first to throw out the name of cromwell

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

thanks, venom. i couldn't have said it better myself.

oh, and monkey, i am not in any way shape or form deifying anyone. i didn't act that way toward coach williams when he was w/ KU nor will i do that toward coach self now. for what? its SPORTS. i enjoy watching the games tremendously but that's all they are to me-- games. i appreciate the jobs that coaches do but they are in no way as important as the jobs the educators at universities perform everyday.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

i'm still trying to make heads or tails out of that quote... what the hell does that mean anyway???....

Richard Heckler 5 years, 1 month ago

Does Perkins know anything about coaching?

He knows plenty about how to send badly needed Lawrence,Kansas revenue to Kansas City.

Is he worried about the KU elite fans who spend big bucks for their spots that allow them not to sit with the everyday people?

Just think folks what any one of us could do with the money Mangino will walk away if he gets fired. Things like fix our cars,take our lovers to dinner,put our kids through school without blinking and eye and donate big time to save the wetlands. Those golden parachutes treat failing executives quite well.

jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

"Big Lew's made his decision - sort of like the KGB"

This is almost as good as the "you can't question the KU Bball program -- this is exactly like the McCarthy era!" quote from the time around the fight.

missmagoo 5 years, 1 month ago

Other news sources are saying it's about an altercation between Mangino and a player, and also how he treats the players in general. I guess there is also a committee of parents to players who are bringing forth complaints. Just check You Tube.. there is one video of him cursing out a player and it's pretty well known he has a hot temper. Check the KC Star, they always have better info :) (no offense LJW)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

magoo, i mentioned youtube already and got a really sarcastic response from a few folks on here-- i'm not commenting on whether or not i think mangino is "too mean" to the players, i was just telling people that the youtube spots got attention in several national news outlets at the time.

missmagoo 5 years, 1 month ago

i'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you honey.. it's on youtube and people can decide for themselves whether or not he's too mean :) some players probably get motivated, some probably shut down!

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 1 month ago

yeh, i was of the school of thought that most coaches yelled at their teams on a pretty regular basis. maybe mangino crossed the line... who knows? will be interesting to find out what exactly happened tho.

thepianoman 5 years, 1 month ago

Ummm, Ljworld...maybe it's me, but I think there is a typo in the headline on the front page.....

thepianoman 5 years, 1 month ago

Obviously someone rushed this article.....Linebacker is also misspelled...."Linerbacker???"

Don't you guys proofread?

Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 1 month ago

pianoman--

Good catch. Things are moving quickly around here so little things like the letter 'c' can be easy to miss. ;-)

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

screwyou 5 years, 1 month ago

Man I wish you guys will support MM. He is one the best you can get now. Sure your team is suck this year but he can fix those.

I saw that the youtube clip. Sure he was upset but these players need to go up. I see many good years ahead for KU under MM but I don't know with other unknown coach.

Sign me: GBR in Los Angeles

classof75 5 years, 1 month ago

Hey, what happened to my previous comment about the team losing on purpose? Anyway, I just got a text from someone in Lawrence saying he has been fired.

kusportsnut08 5 years, 1 month ago

After all of this uproar Mangino's future at the University of Kansas is doomed. People have been calling for his head after the performance of the team this year and an incident like this only adds to the fire.

The next questions is who would want to come here.

Gary Patterson (TCU), Bronco Mendenhall (BYU), Kyle Wittingham (Utah), Chris Peterson (BSU)

garyr 5 years, 1 month ago

e next questions is who would want to come here.


That's easy to answer:

Gary Patterson (TCU), No Bronco Mendenhall (BYU), No Kyle Wittingham (Utah), No Chris Peterson (BSU) No

As I put on the other article

Kirk Ferentz = Notre Dame Bob Stoops = Iowa Mangino = OU

beawolf 5 years, 1 month ago

garyr (Anonymous) says…

"I heard it was about the possiblility of him going to Notre Dame, and the players wanting him to stay."

It will never happen. He can't fit through the narrow staircase that leads down from the ND locker room. His obesity has made him and KU the laughing stock of the Big 12.

Mangino is making more per year than some of us will see in a lifetime. For those kind of dollars you need to produce constantly. He has not. Time to move on.

Hitman779 5 years, 1 month ago

KU football has increased its talent on offense, and that's it. Mangino has made it better, but it's been nothing but hype since the Jayhawks backed into a BCS bowl in '07 when they played absolutely no one.

With this hype this year of winning the Big 12 north and possibly the Big 12, it's no question Mangino will come under fire, especially when it's more than likely KU will not go bowling at all this year.

KU will be a mediocre program, and that's about it, which is why it's surprising that they had such a big expansion of the football stadium, seriously, where did that come from?!

I'd take BSU, Utah or TCU in the big 12 over KU any day. They have talent and more tradition thank the Jayhawks.

Anywhoo...just keep on your typical "wait til basketball season comments up" and realize you can't have a top notch football program.

working_momma 5 years, 1 month ago

Boo freaking hoo to all the girls that think coach Mangio is too tough. Parents don't let your girls play for him if you think he might bruise their oh so tender egos. Did it ever occur to anyone that kids these days are to delicately cared for to have the hutzpah that ball players of yore had. sheesh this is not creative writing. As far as LP.....there are few who can donate millions and he is rapidly loosing the millions that can and want to donate few. He also treats alumni players like crap, even if they did make it big, with big NFL paychecks.

sundancewierdo 5 years, 1 month ago

Nobody panic. Tonight around 9 p.m. this will all blow over and we will all remember why we wore a Jayhawk shirt to work today. Thank God for ESPN, we can actually watch in HD...

9070811 5 years, 1 month ago

I love it when people equate weakness with girls.

BigAl 5 years, 1 month ago

Hitman779... Say whatever you want but just keep in mind that Mangino has a winning record against both Kansas State and Missouri. I assume then that you would also drop KSU and Missouri from the Big12??????

In addition to Mangino's winning record against both KSU and MU in football, Kansas absolutely OWNS both of those programs in basketball.

BigAl 5 years, 1 month ago

Biggunz, you're right. I think Mangino is 4/4 with KSU and 4/3 with MU.

kmt123 5 years, 1 month ago

Mangino has had eight years to make this program a success. After the Orange Bowl the program should of gone no where but up. But as we all know this hasn't happened. Also, this can't work if you don't workwell with your coaching staff then there is absolutly no way to win.

"I'd take BSU, Utah or TCU in the big 12 over KU any day. They have talent and more tradition thank the Jayhawks."

I don't know what in the world you are talking about! I'm just going to assume that you haven't ever attended a Jayhawk sporting event! Players from all over the country will admit that Allen Fieldhouse is probably the hardest venue to play in due to all of the Jayhawk spirit. As far as tradition KU easily has some of the greatest traditions in the country! Also, even if were haveing a losing season we still attend the game and support our teams!

Jeff Kilgore 5 years, 1 month ago

Instead of discussing Mangino, let's talk about us, the KU football fans. First of all, this entire issue reeks of hypocrisy. Not one poster here hasn't seen or heard about Mangino's volcanic tirade against the Pendleton kid. We saw it. We laughed. Who objected? Very, very few. We won the freaking Orange Bowl, and it wasn't against "no one" as someone suggested above. Where was our sense of outrage then?

Secondly, Bill Self uses the exact same language in the huddle. Remember how he objected to having the huddle filmed during a time out? Remember that? If an opponent gains too many offensive rebounds or if we throw the ball away too many times in a row, Mt. Bill will erupt just as fast, and that's okay because. . .

And that's that. If Mgo was coaching an 8-2 team, Wright might have some complaints but the general mood would be good.

Then I hear comments about Mangino's weight being an embarrassment to the university. I thought Kansas was the school that celebrated diversity and didn't discriminate based on a person's lifestyle choice. We will discriminate against losing.

Overall, I don't condone Mgo's tirades, but I sure as heck like winning games and seeing teams perform well. Those who can't stomach 5-5 have to understand that teams underperform as well as overperform. Thanks to Mgo, we've seen far more of the first than the last. But fans are fickle and little can please us. At OU they probably want Stoops out. That's just as stupid in my opinion.

Mgo will succeed in a new coaching position if it comes to that, and I as a Mgo guy wish him the best. I also doubt very strongly if we can attract an effective HC the way this stuff is going on. You can bet that ADLP is Covering His Administrative position. Where am I wrong? Help me.

BorderRuffian 5 years, 1 month ago

yankeevet (Anonymous) says…

"Mangino taking over as headcoach for the Chiefs??"

That would hardly be likely - Mangino's actually won some games. Haley???

Steve Jacob 5 years, 1 month ago

A source briefed on the situation told ESPN's Joe Schad that one particular incident allegedly involved Mangino yelling at and making contact with a player earlier this season. According to another source, some players have threatened to transfer because of what they perceive as having been spoken to in an inappropriate manner.

laughingatallofu 5 years, 1 month ago

Oy! I don't know what to think about all of this. But it sure was an entertaining hour reading all y'all's comments!

Looks like the rumor mill is in high gear. Texas (and Misery) must just be lovin' this.

Rock Chalk Chicken Halk!

HogJiver 5 years, 1 month ago

Time to clean house with all the money suckers in the athletic department. The AD has been ripping off all the fans and trying to suck every dollar from the pockets of loyal KU fans. Let's get back to basics.

myvotecounts 5 years, 1 month ago

This is like how the North Carolina players and their parents complained and got rid of Matt Doherty. They were then rewarded with Roy Williams.

greenworld 5 years, 1 month ago

I heard the KC Chiefs were in talk with him about taking over and firing Haley.

Hitman779 5 years, 1 month ago

Wow, I thought it was just KU football fans that were ignorant, but I guess it's just KU fans in general...

Look, first off, Bill Snyder has owned KU since he's been at K-State, and MU was the only good team they played in '07...and yes, KU played essentially no one else that year. Yes, they beat VT in the orange bowl (that is called postseason), and VT was good and I was surprised and gave KU credit for winning.

And SERIOUSLY...I said BSU, Utah and TCU are better and have better tradition than KU...meaning Football...how is it that you Jayhawks weave every conversation into basketball? ...which is why I mentioned above you are always saying "wait til basketball season" because any sports topic, or even school topic, turns into some sort of basketball conversation for KU fans. Look, we get it, you have good basketball teams, has NOTHING to do with football, baseball or any other sport. I figured we'd stay on topic of FOOTBALL on a comment section for football story. SO in football, TCU, BSU and Utah all are better than KU and have better football programs.

btw, loved the open-mindedness of saying that KU accepts all types and don't discriminate...why discriminate against winning? Losers need to exist in this world as well...be open minded!:-)

Hitman779 5 years, 1 month ago

btw...I doubt anyone in Oklahoma wants Stoops to go...He's about as solid of a coach in the Big 12, along with Mack Brown...Stoops has had success for years now at OU, unlike Mangino.

brett conrad 5 years, 1 month ago

Calling wright a linebacker should get you fired, bowen and o coord need to go. defense has been terrible since young left, defensive backs and lbackers are soft except for stuckey. This years problem finally comes out bowen has been recruiting a bunch of babies not football players.

mcontrary 5 years, 1 month ago

Keep Mangino, dump Perkins and wipe the noses of the whiners.

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