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Letters to the Editor

Investigate Bush

March 23, 2009

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To the editor:

The former Bush/Cheney administration is the toxic pustule that keeps on giving. Respected, award-winning journalist Seymour Hersh stated on March 11 that, under former Vice President Cheney, there was an ongoing covert military operation that Hersh called an “executive assassination ring.”

These military death squads reported directly to Cheney and had no congressional oversight. This is illegal, as well as more reflective of a banana republic than the “bright, shining city on a hill” that our country states it strives for.

With the little that we know (the tip of the iceberg?), is there anyone who can say that Bush and Cheney have not caused a cancer to grow in our country, upon our highest ideals? Cut this oozing, noxious tumor out! Investigate, investigate, investigate and, where laws have been broken, prosecute, prosecute, prosecute!!

Daniel Patrick Schamle,
Lawrence

Comments

labmonkey 5 years, 9 months ago

Do you know what is really a pustule in this country? Pretentious people who sign their LTEs using their first and middle names.

BrianR 5 years, 9 months ago

You must be on to something Daniel because they have nothing to say about your letter, they can only talk about you.

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

Gimme a break. I highly doubt the Veep ran an assassination ring that circumvented the DoD and Joint Chiefs. What'd he do, give a shout out on his I-Phone to a Seal captain who was able to re-assign a squad without anyone in the Navy noticing 8 men were missing?

And Schamle---investigate and prosecute? Yes, because we all know how conceivable it is to imprison a former Prez or a VP. The only thing generated would be a gi-normous waste of time and angst for Americans.

SettingTheRecordStraight 5 years, 9 months ago

I don't respect Seymour Hersh. No group with which I am affiliated has given an award to Seymour Hersh. Why should we care about the biased opinions of Mr. Hersh? Mr. Schmale gives us no reason to do so.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

Shiny side out, guys. Don't forget the reptoids.

jumpin_catfish 5 years, 9 months ago

How about Chris Dodd or Barney Frank or Hillary Clinton or any other public figure. Let's dig the dirt on them all and then hang 'em high. It's all about justice right Daniel. Here's a thought Daniel how about one piece of evidence and I'm all in, just one.

BigAl 5 years, 9 months ago

This all reminds me of the 8 years the republicans wasted going after Bill Clinton. They also spent millions of our dollars and it was all because they didn't like him. Granted, there are a lot of people that don't like Bush/Cheney but unless there is some very hard evidence, let's not do this again. This "gotcha" politics needs to stop. FOX News and MSNBC need to stop playing this game as well.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

And deceased equines shall be pummeled even as we continue our fiery handbasket trip to the infernal regions.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 9 months ago

"A different take on the journalism practiced by Seymour Hersh. http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/…"

And here's a shaker full of salt about an author predisposed (just like many of the posters on this thread) not to give any credibility to Seymour Hersh.

"Historian Nikolas Kozloff, who has a doctorate in Latin American history from Oxford, has vocally criticized Boot.[12] Kozloff states that when they both were history majors at UC Berkeley Boot was "an incendiary right winger" and "a kind of local gadfly".[12] Kozloff also states that Boot presented an essay on Otto von Bismarck, creator of the German Empire, whom Boot "somehow ... admired."[12] Kozloff condemns Boot's support for the Phoenix program in the Vietnam War and regards Boot as one of America's "imperialist cheerleaders".[12] Boot's critique, written in The Weekly Standard, of paleoconservative historian Thomas E. Woods' book The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History led to a response by Woods in The American Conservative.[13] Woods commented, "Since in my judgment Max Boot embodies everything that is wrong with modern conservatism, his opposition is about the best endorsement I could have asked for."[13]"

georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 9 months ago

"When the government becomes a trough, politics will become a feeding frenzy."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

The role of the Bush family in the death of Julian the Apostate (363 C.E.) has never been fully investigated.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

Relax & have a popsicle, ocean. It's a cool and fruity treat on a spring day.

RonBurgandy 5 years, 9 months ago

It's amazing how people are just willing to assume that the Bush administration did nothing wrong. Or just accept the fact that they may have done some illegal activities, but who cares because they are the President & VP.

It is sickening that, regardless of your political affiliation, people would just look the other way. Illegal is illegal, no matter who you are or how high up the food chain you go. Illegal activities should be investigated and prosecuted.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't Andrew Johnson's impeachment grossly political in nature and without real substance? It's been awhile since that history class.

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

"The same idiots on here saying that it would be a huge waste of time to investigate..."

....are not nearly as idiotic as someone who believes an 'investigation' would be effective, fruitful, or provide any closure to anything whatsoever. Demonfury touched on the reality of it all and jonas' brief summation couldn't be more to the point: welcome to futility.

And for the record, the Clinton "Witch Trials" were a farce, hype, exceptional embarassment all the way around. I couldn't care less about his perjury 'cuz he never should have been asked the question in the first place, and every single dime spent on that sham was wasted. I say again, I highly doubt the validity of the accusation, but even if it were remotely true there's NO way something that 'covert' gets uncovered to the point that repercussions are felt.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

"Indeed! So to hell with the rule of law. If you're powerful or rich, the rules don't apply to you. Constitution either.":

Good good. Acceptance is the first step towards healing.

RedwoodCoast 5 years, 9 months ago

We finally got that stinking, rotten administration out of the White House. My guess is that most people don't want that stench hanging around any more--meaning that a lot of people probably just want to move on. Yeah, there were probably numerous criminal acts committed under "the decider's" umbrella, but his administration seems to sport an unprecedented degree of "executive immunity."

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

I loves the smell of hyperbole in the afternoon.

RedwoodCoast 5 years, 9 months ago

hyperbole my rear

Bush was an unmitigated disaster for our country, but I suppose that idiotic BDS thing will be flung at me for saying so. Way to poison the well.

scott3460 5 years, 9 months ago

"Here's a thought Daniel how about one piece of evidence and I'm all in, just one."

Well there's the fact that the administration lied about torturing people, and lied about the exisitence of tapes documenting the torture, and then lied about the number of tapes documenting the torture they destroyed. And lied about spying on American citizens, and lied about the war, and lied about the science behind its environmental policies, and lied and kept hidden its energy task force, and lied about paying columnists to spout its propaganda. That all kind of suggests they are not worthy of blind faith, doesn't it?

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

"Indeed! So to hell with the rule of law. If you're powerful or rich, the rules don't apply to you. Constitution either"

I'm sorry if that's what you read into what I wrote, duped. And I feel sorry for you. But I can't say I'm shocked that you'd be outraged when everyone doesn't immediately jump on the 'investigation bandwagon' after an unsubstantiated allegation. By all means, let's investigate every single claim that comes down the pike regardless of merit. It's only OUR money after all and we haven't had enough of that spent without our consent or control lately. Who cares if absolutely nothing will come of it? Why, it's the thought that counts.

Tilt at windmills, Quixote, be my guest.

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

"That all kind of suggests they are not worthy of blind faith, doesn't it?"

Scott's back! Always good to see ya back on, man, you must be busy as hell, we see you on here so rarely now.

To your question, 'worthy of blind faith'? Hell no and of course not, though I'd never concede blind faith to anyone with that much power. BUT......it still doesn't mean that you should take ANY accusation on faith either, does it?

lwctown 5 years, 9 months ago

Investigate him. Charge him. Put him in jail. And if for his trial we use the same standard of evidence that he used in his administration we can just make most of it up.

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

"Your position is arrogant, ignorant and hyper-partisan, not to mention anti-American.... ...The list goes on and on and on. If it were a Dem admin, your panties would have disappeared long ago. The breadth of your hypocrisy is stunning."

Do I get out much? Do you have a clue?! How is my opinion "arrogant"? Cynical, to be sure, but not arrogant.
"Ignorant"? Just going by what history has played out, pal. Besides gettin' run out of office Nixon didn't pay any further penalty. Clinton clearly violated the law and the penalty was and is mandatory sentencing, but, well, not so much. Since Bush is out, what more do you think can be done to him? Do you honestly believe an ex-Prez or Veep is gonna do time? "Hyper-partisan"? Lay off the bong. Not one word of anything I've posted here is based on party or ideology and I've never been a fan of Cheney. With that display of reading comprehension I wonder if you aren't actually beatrice posting under another name. "Anti-american"? Puhleeze. Genuflect and Heil when you say that, mister. If it were a Dem administration I'd say the same thing, and it's all I've been saying: an investigation would be futile, pointless, a waste of time, a waste of money. And again, from the cheap seats: launching an investigation because one reporter let go an unsubstantiated accusation at a seminar in Minnesota --------- are you deranged? If full-on probes were launched for each similar 'occasion' our entire sitting Congress would be reduced to a continuous kangaroo court.

Duped, the depth of your ignorance is breath taking.

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

There was much I did not appreciate coming from the Bush administration, but anything like this letter suggests is not in America's best interest. We need to recognize and acknowledge the errors, but prosecuting Bush doesn't help solve any of the problems caused by those errors. Right now, we have bigger fish to fry. Follow the org, and Move On.

Hi Jay! Still trying to figure out the wording for your apology? Oh, never mind.

HermioneElliott 5 years, 9 months ago

Someone writes a serious letter hoping to provoke serious discussion. What happens? Bumpkis! We get responses from old people who have regressed to childhood and name calling. Hermione Genevieve Elliott

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

"Still trying to figure out the wording for your apology?"

No idea what that means, bea.

jmadison 5 years, 9 months ago

In a previous interview http://www.chicagolife.net/content/politics/Seymour_Hersh_Off_the_Record Mr. Hersh seems to indicate a different standard in what he says in a speech and what he will write for a magazine.

Chicago Life: In your speeches you often reveal much more than you do in your articles. Why is that?

Seymour Hersh: There's a whole difference [in] expressing an opinion in a lecture. I will talk about things that I've been told and believe, but I won't write them because the standard at the New Yorker is so much higher. Somebody asked me a question about what is going on in Iraq, and I said, well, here's what somebody wrote me the other week and told me about, and I don't know whether it's true or not, but here's the story they told me. I guess you can argue why do I talk about it. Because I think there's a different standard in a public lecture. You can be chattier than in an article.

RoeDapple 5 years, 9 months ago

HermioneElliott (Anonymous) says…

Someone writes a serious letter hoping to provoke serious discussion. What happens? Bumpkis! We get responses from old people who have regressed to childhood and name calling. Hermione Genevieve Elliott

Well Hermi / Cleo it didn't take long to ID you with the new name. I believe, no I am positive that you told me (under a different name)(bndair ring a bell?) to go to H$77. Early January as I recall. The name is different, but your writing style remains the same. Your interest in old sailing ships gave you away. Actually, it's good to have you back! you've already resorted to name calling (what's a bumpkis?), you've asserted your higher status than we, the peasants (rise above it all?). All we need now is a look down your nose at we who eat meat. As I recall, "you can take it, and you can dish it out!" Dinner is served....................

allateup 5 years, 9 months ago

LOL at RoeDapple. I read these comments alot and I think you made a very good call.

Hermi.....I believe you've been "called out"!

Jim Phillips 5 years, 9 months ago

It's a real conspiracy! Cheney did contract with with a group of people who knew their souls were going to get beamed up on the mother ship and taken to Nirvanna if they destroyed an American landmark and murdered thousands of people in the WTC! Cheney did it to create the financial boondoggle to wipe out the American infrastructure and allow King Obama I to rule supreme.

In the mean time, investigators have determined Vince Foster really did commit suicide in the federal park.

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

Guardian, I'm with you on the 9-11 conspiracy tripe. That is just annoying nonsense. Big planes full of fuel crashed into big buildings, and they came crashing down. Pretty obvious. As Bill Maher has said, we know 9-11 wasn't a Bush conspiracy -- because it worked!

Yes jay, probably best just to pretend you never read my responses yesterday and that you have no reason to apologize. I would expect nothing less from you. I'm impressed, however, with your big heart. What a carrying man you are -- I mean, by now you must feel sorry for at least half the people on here. What a kind person you must be to have such care for others to actually feel sorry, truly sorry not for yourself, but for them. All of them. Me, I'm not like that at all. I don't feel one way or the other about you, although, like a glob of goo on the ground one might poke at with a stick just to watch it jiggle, you can be kind of entertaining in a sick and twisted poke-it-with-a-stick sort of way.

jonas_opines 5 years, 9 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle (Anonymous) says…

"I loves the smell of hyperbole in the afternoon."

Sniffsniff. Yes, and what's that other? Is that a faing tang of hypocrisy?

Why yes, snap, I believe. . . that it is.

JHOK32 5 years, 9 months ago

Investigate Bush? 90% of the American public already know the answer to this question.........he & Cheney should be put in the same slammer as Madoff. The same people who were allowed the inexcusable corporate greed that ruined our economy are the same people getting multi-billion dollar bailouts! ......and the corporate greed continues! The country is just now starting to put 2 and 2 together!........ P.S. What ever happened to the investigation that caught Cheney blowing the cover of a CIA operative (who's husband just happened to be the whistle-blower on the "WMD" lie)....? Cheney could care less if he got this woman killed........what's another life for his precious oil?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 9 months ago

What never? No, never. What never? Well, hardly ever....

jaywalker 5 years, 9 months ago

"So Nixon should not have been investigated?"

Wow. Was that what I said? Stunning. Sooo, if I were to have the incredibly poor reading comprehension hurdle you're apparently faced with, I would take this quote: "I never said a word about prosecuting anyone. But if there's credible evidence of wrongdoing, by any person in the USA, there should be an investigation".... and determine that what you really think is that we should investigate everyone but prosecute noone? Is that what you think or is that an "assmonkey" way of twisting someone's words? I'm going with the latter. Well done.

"The allegations against the former admin are just a little more than one unsubstantiated claim by some reporter. I provided a number of links..."

See, duped, the issue HERE is THIS particular unsubstantiated claim. That's all I've been discussing, though I saw your links and ignored them as they're not germane to this conversation. The overall body of work by the Bush administration.......that's a different kettle of fish and not one I'm interested in delving into, thanks. But feel free to broaden the scope of the topic at will so as to prop up your 'position'.

Seriously, duped, my entire position on this subject is 1) I doubt the validity of this particular claim, and 2) even if it were remotely true there's nothing whatsoever that will come of it. You say investigate anyway, I prefer we don't waste the time and taxpayer funds. But since you're probably still filing the EZ form, that's not as big an issue for you personally. Got it.
This topic, after repeating the same thing over and over, has become thoroughly boring, much like yourself. I'm done.

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

No Tom, it isn't anti-American at all. I truly wish that President Bush had been a great president. However, as you yourself have noted on more than one occassion, Bush wasn't the most effective president we have ever had. Many of the things he tried to do failed. So you see, I'm not being anti-American, just a realist.

Hey duped, don't worry about not having reading comprehension. I apparently don't either -- just ask jay. I swear, the saying "Just get over yourself already" was invented for blowhards like jay. Sometimes, I wish he was just a little bit smarter, so then he might know just how dumb he really is. Too funny.

beatrice 5 years, 9 months ago

Tom, despite some stumbles, in my opinion it is still too early to pull the plug on anyone, including Geithner. I know not everyone agrees. Once again, to quote Bill Maher who said, "Obama should replace Geithner with an actual deer in the headlights."

I did like the market's response today to recent moves by the administration. Hopefully for all of us things will continue to move upward for some time. I doubt seriously that the Republicans will make gains in the next election and Obama will remain popular -- so you will just have to keep running with the "clm" lines after all. Don't throw in the towel just yet.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 9 months ago

I am very much opposed to the any attempt to bring criminal charges against Bush or Cheney.

I don't want to see the country dragged through the mud slinging that would take place during a pubic investigation of their activities over the last 8 years.

Furthermore, the habit of using the legal system as a political tool to attack politicians you don't agree with is a disgrace in this country. What the Republicans did to Bill and Hillary Clinton was a disgrace and one of the reasons I am no longer a Republican.

Both parties now believe this abuse of our system is just another tool in their arsenal. Those individuals who are practicing this type of politics should go to jail.

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