Letters to the Editor

Union service

March 12, 2009


To the editor:

I would like to comment on the proposal to rename a portion of Missouri Street. I am all for game-day hype when the University of Missouri athletes come to compete in Lawrence. After all, border ruffians from Missouri helped the Georgia Militia sack Lawrence in 1956 while Quantrill’s Raiders from Missouri during the Civil War did the same.

Teaching young people to hate is something else again if the facts lead you to a different conclusion.

Missouri, like Kentucky, Tennessee, Maryland and Arkansas, was a border state that supplied both Union troops and Confederate troops during the Civil War. In the federal call-up from 1861 to 1864, Missouri supplied 108,773 Union soldiers, Kansas 20,097. During that period, Kansas can claim one major battlefield at Mine Creek and a few other minor skirmishes. Missouri battlefields include Belmont, Wilson Creek, Boonville, Lexington and Blackwater Creek. By both measures, Missouri’s sacrifice was five times greater than that of Kansas.

George Taylor,


bearded_gnome 9 years, 1 month ago

1956? Georgians? huh? to what does he alude? or did he sprinkle PCP on his wheaties instead of sugar that morning?

Bruce Bertsch 9 years, 1 month ago

Funny, we're encouraging hate? So, why does Marshall, Missouri still celebrate "Bushwhacker Days"? And wasn't it a Missouri legislator who talked about the "War of Northern Aggression" just this year? But renaming a stretch of Missouri Street to honor Don Fambrough encourages hate. Right!

mom_of_three 9 years, 1 month ago

He meant 1856. And soldiers from South Carolina participated in the sack of Lawrence, (and perhaps Georgia). Not sure where the hate is coming from and the statement "the facts" is kind of funny considering his first sentence is wrong. And mentioning Missouri's civil war contribution has to do with what....

Jersey_Girl 9 years, 1 month ago

It encourages hate because the renaming is a street named after a state with a University Don Fambrough hated. Not in one article or letter about the renaming has it said it should be done because Fambrough "felt a strong competitve drive" or something in a possibly positive tone. It has always been because "he hated Missouri".

Jersey_Girl 9 years, 1 month ago

Maybe it wasn't his mistake. Maybe it was the paper's.

mom_of_three 9 years, 1 month ago

Well, he also forgot to mention that Kansas had a population of 115,000, give or take, and they sent 20% of their men to the civil war. Missouri had over a million people in their state and only sent 10% of their population to the Union, and probably another 10% to the confederates. If we are going to talk numbers, lets include these important ones.

Jersey_Girl 9 years, 1 month ago

And it was 150 years ago. Did you lose anyone in Quantril's raid? The Civil War? Our family did...he lost his head to a Confederate cannonball. Do I know where? Do I care? No. Why? Because it is ancient history. I don't even remember his name, just the story because it's kind of funny.

Greg Yother 9 years, 1 month ago

"I guess we all died a little in that damn war..."

mom_of_three 9 years, 1 month ago

Jersey_Girl - I guess if you were a history major, you might care....

Chris Ogle 9 years, 1 month ago

George- Have you considered taking a power nap, before writing? It couldn't hurt.

Jersey_Girl 9 years, 1 month ago

I care about American history. I lost relatives in the American Revolution, as well. That doesn't mean I hate England. I "hate" the explorers that brought death, disease and destrustruction to the Native Americans. I "hate" the American troops who killed and drove them from their lands. Again, relatives in the mix. What I really hate? Hate.

Jersey_Girl 9 years, 1 month ago

xbusguy - a power nap couldn't hurt any of us. Think if I wandered down to the daycare down the street, they'd give me a cot and a blankie?

mom_of_three 9 years, 1 month ago

And you probably also hate the government and the president who sent the american troops to drive indians from their lands... BUT as you can tell, all of us are questioning the hate in the letter.
Coach Fambrough hates Missouri as part of a rivalry. Someone wants to name part of a street for him that leads to the stadium where he coached. As you said in a previous blog, you never heard of the guy and don't care.... My original post was to say that the facts the letter writer wants to use are a little wrong, and he left some important stuff out. Of course, Missouri sent more men to the Civil war - they had a bigger population (and they sent just as many confederates as they did union).
Yes, the civil war happened a long time ago, but obviously, some people still care for whatever reason.

Jersey_Girl 9 years, 1 month ago

mom - I don't hate the goverment or the president. Please note my hates were all in quotations, except for hating hate. You may have also noted in one of my previous posts in a previous blog that I would prefer that Lawrence streets be left as they were orignally named and either new streets be named for someone (Bob Billings Pkwy is an example of when I would have preferred Mr. Billings be given his own street rather than renaming part of 15th). If it is someone connected to KU, I'd prefer a street on campus be renamed. How about Daisy Hill? If Lawrence residents had wanted to rename Missouri Street after Quantril's raid, they would have.

mom_of_three 9 years, 1 month ago

would be interesting to know WHEN the streets were named.....a few were named when Lawrence was founded, but am not sure how big the town was...

Confrontation 9 years, 1 month ago

There's absolutely nothing wrong with hating Missouri. It's actually quite easy to do.

RoeDapple 9 years, 1 month ago

Hatred only hurts the haters. Instead of hating Missourians, Lets just ignore them. Maybe they will just go away............

Robert Marble 9 years, 1 month ago

you people have waya too much time on your hands....get jobs

missouri_street 9 years, 1 month ago

This street renaming is a stupid, stupid, stupid idea.

Finally people are discussing the underlying reason. It is NOT about honoring Coach Fambrough. It is at least partly an ill-intended sneer to another state, expressed either as 1) good natured game day rivalry, or 2) yes, a continuation of hate. (for those who deny it, lets take a serious look at fan behavior on that day. Pretty embarrassing in my view)

Neither 1) nor 2) should be a reason for an official city body to change a thing. In fact, changing only two blocks of a street is probably not even an honor.

Those who want to honor Coach Fambrough have endless other opportunities. A statute at Memorial stadium perhaps. Or rename a whole street. Maybe a street of someone proposing this, for instance.

But maybe we in the City of Lawrence should be just a little better than Missouri. Maybe we should be the ones to stop throwing the locker room epitaphs first.

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