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July 29, 2009

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To the editor:

As a homeowner living just west of Free State High School, we are concerned about the suggestion that the city spend $300,000 to study and design a recreation building. To paraphrase President Obama, this idea is stupid! The city does not have $300,000 to spend on a project that will be used by a very small percentage of the population.

In a city that fosters the “green” philosophy, I would think that there would be a strong desire to keep the land natural. Travel to Germany and observe the green space set aside by communities Lawrence’s size. Instead of recreation buildings and athletic fields that only cater to a small segment of the community, they have parks that have been left natural with mature trees and fields full of native plants with walking paths that meander through the area. On any morning, rain or shine, you see folks from the very elderly to young mothers pushing baby strollers walking along the pathways. The only equipment provided by the city is an occasional bench for resting or an area set up for stretching, but nothing of great expense.

Why doesn’t Lawrence think “out of the box”? For way less than $300,000, you can landscape the area, cut in paths and pave a small parking area and not spend taxpayer dollars on a consulting firm from outside of the city. Lawrence has an excellent parks staff that could easily create this type of park that would require little to no maintenance.

The Thomsens are from Lawrence

Comments

Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

The problem with your thinking is that you assume we have a limitless supply of energy in which to supply our "modern world." Whether I'm right or wrong is immaterial-- the point here is that at Peak Oil you're going to have to at least consider the possibility that I'm right and we will have to return to an age when manual labor returns. You have to get out of your "things are going to be the same as they are forever" mentality. As far as time is concerned, I hear that chestnut all of the time but the fact is most Americans waste their "leisure" time on unhealthy activities like television viewing anyway.

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus (Anonymous) says…

none2— You're just parroting the same crap that has been force-fed to us for years. Go into debt and trade your life (the time spent at work) to purchase some idiotic, unsustainable labor-saving devices (like a car, riding mower or an electric saw) and then go to the gym to get a work-out. Whatever. You could walk to work, mow with a reel-type push mower and cut wood with a handsaw, but that's just not as sexy as going to the meat market is it? You're simply too heavily invested in your lifestyle (thanks to a steady diet of clever marketing) to “think outside the box” (to borrow another clever slogan by the marketers.)

Seamus, The problem with your thinking (and realize I'm not singling you out) is your stereotyping is so thick that you have lost credibility. What part of "my lifestyle" makes you think I don't have a less than one year old 24" reel lawn mower? I stopped using it as I don't have hours to spend mowing every few days since in a wet year grass grows fast, and reel lawn mowers really only work if you are just shaving down a bit.

What makes you think I don't have a hand saw and clippers? Actually, they work just fine, and I used them to cut down Chinese Elm branches yesterday.

   You have to get out of your all or nothing thinking.  A neo-Luddite movement is not going to take hold in Lawrence, let alone this country or any other country in the world.  When people did everything manually, they had large families as well as beasts of burden to help with all the manual things.  That isn't the reality of modern living.
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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

none2-- You're just parroting the same crap that has been force-fed to us for years. Go into debt and trade your life (the time spent at work) to purchase some idiotic, unsustainable labor-saving devices (like a car, riding mower or an electric saw) and then go to the gym to get a work-out. Whatever. You could walk to work, mow with a reel-type push mower and cut wood with a handsaw, but that's just not as sexy as going to the meat market is it? You're simply too heavily invested in your lifestyle (thanks to a steady diet of clever marketing) to "think outside the box" (to borrow another clever slogan by the marketers.)

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus (Anonymous) says…

none2— I'm merely stating the facts: people can stay in shape with a minimum of expense. You have been blinded by the clever marketing that suggests that every single aspect of our lives must center around a product that someone told you was necessary. You can crack all of the jokes you want about draft horses, but I think that betrays a deep-seated insecurity you have about your life. You probably already have ascertained the reality that simplicity is best. Everything else is often just superfluity.

Sorry, you have the wrong person. I don't get suckered into marketing campaigns. That is why I never supported the empTy.

As for exercise, my opinions aren't based on a marketing campaign, but personal experience. You want to some how go back to some good old days, but you don't seem to connect with just how far society has changed. The problem isn't just cars, it is everything. For examples:

Garage door openers, remote controls, power tools, elevators, escalators just to name a few. There are SO many modern conveniences that cut down on physical motions that most people (including myself) would have to think about it for a while since it has progressed this way for so long. (For instanced, it just dawned on me that it use to even take more physical exercise to call someone on the phone -- rotary phones required more physical exertion over our touch tone phones.) Most people's jobs are also so much less physical --not only the dominance of white color work, but even the tools that factory workers use.

Bottom line, walking alone will not put people back at the same level of physical exertion that our ancestors endured. In all fairness we also have a longer lifespan, but it is obvious that as a society we need more exercise to to the chronic illnesses that are on the rise. Weight machines and free weights also do not make up for years of conveniences. However, it gives people one more option.

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus (Anonymous) says…

None2— there is and always has been parking avialable on the side streets around downtown Lawrence. Have we gotten so lazy that walking a couple of blocks is now beyond the pale?

I park down the street most of the times I visit downtown. However, if everybody did that, what would east Lawrence residents think? Would they be ok with all the extra parking as well as the additional traffic?

It is one thing when a manageable minority do it, but if everybody did it then it would be a problem. Also remember downtown is just one place to go. Parking near your destination is preferred by most people. If you make enough things undesirable downtown, people simply will go elsewhere.

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commuter 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus and Jackthe Ripper- In my opinion, Lawrence doesn't have a YMCA because the people on the commission wanted the city to run the REC business because the city knows best. Great another city service that taxpayers have to pay for. Where I grew up there was a YMCA and other local organizations that ran the REC leagues. We do have the LAC if you want to get a membership!!

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

none2-- I'm merely stating the facts: people can stay in shape with a minimum of expense. You have been blinded by the clever marketing that suggests that every single aspect of our lives must center around a product that someone told you was necessary. You can crack all of the jokes you want about draft horses, but I think that betrays a deep-seated insecurity you have about your life. You probably already have ascertained the reality that simplicity is best. Everything else is often just superfluity.

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

Hutch and Atchison have YMCAs-- why can't Lawrence have one to fulfill all of these perceived "needs"?

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bronze 4 years, 8 months ago

worth repeating Merrill, thanks again & support your neighborhood organization.

'we want our city back' !

If the 1,500 acre ongoing multimillions Clinton Lake Regional Park were not well underway and the high dollar USD 497 athletic projects were not under way, both of which provide much for the westside, maybe the rec center would be okay. Not now. http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/ma

Thus far I do like Comm. Cromwell's approach because we do need to take a hard look at how many ways the 1995 sales tax money could be better spent.

Tax Increasing Projects On the Table: Clinton Lake Regional Park = at least 15 million USD 497 Atlhletics Project = $15-20 million 31st Sreet expansion = several million trafficway = $200-$300 Million New water & sewer to airport = 3 million Sewage Treatment Plant = $90,000,000(million) Farmland = it's a secret in millions West Side Rec Center = $7-$10 million easy School Building Maintenance = $20 million http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/oc… =========================================== Mill Levy increase http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/ju

Do politicians always come up with the best ideas? Do developers? Does the Chamber? Does the school board? The answer is no across the board.

The question becomes why not ask neighborhood associations to submit ideas as to how to use the 1995 sales tax money instead of spending recklessly? Then put those ideas on a ballot for the community to decide.

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Carol Bowen 4 years, 8 months ago

We could have a YM or YW, but the city hogs the market.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

been_there I believe the YMCA does a better job of providing those services. Why isn't there one in Lawrence?

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

Actually I think the big box stores and strip malls should have to tear up their parklots and replace with a sustainable grasses and let them depend on a few parking spaces and the bus too. The city made the mistake zoning for such enterprises and a misuse of land.

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been_there 4 years, 8 months ago

When the existing rec centers were built the reasons probably had nothing to do with exercise equipment and grownups . It was probably more about giving the kids somewhere to go other than hang out on the streets. Remeber when they decided to keep the basketball courts at the community building open till midnight so kids could play basketball instead of hanging out on the streets downtown? That sure didn't work too well, did it? They need to keep count of who is using these centers, adults or kids. I am more likely to support something for kids as opposed to adults who can find other alternatives.

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

None2-- there is and always has been parking avialable on the side streets around downtown Lawrence. Have we gotten so lazy that walking a couple of blocks is now beyond the pale?

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kansasmutt 4 years, 8 months ago

Why not fix some sidewalks and install workout equipment like on Clinton Parkway , for people to use along the sidwalks and in parks all over the city. This would be cheap and it can be done city wide. north side, east side , south side center and west side. If they dont get used , then it is just do to people being lazy. The ones along the walkways on Clinton parkway get used all the time.

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

none2 why is it acceptable for the city to provide parking? the streets were intentionally build for parking and of course the garages but it was a choice made for a carcentric world but now the costs associated with all this is becoming unaffordable and time to start looking at options and as the population ages there will be even more people who shouldn't be driving.

Are you sure you don't work for Walmart?

It is time for downtown to get rid of all parking which is mainly located downtown. Why have any parking at all downtown when we have plenty of private parking at Walmart and at TWO wonderful, convenient locations! Could it get any better?

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

Seamus (Anonymous) says…

Again, people somehow managed to stay fit once upon a time without expensive equipment and gleaming facilities. But all of this is just where we've come to as a society: absolutely nothing can be done simply, it must require a product, preferably one that fits a certain “lifestyle” and is heavily-marketed.

Ok, you've successfully marketed your consumption-less lifestyle. Can you remind us where your website is where you sell draft horses and plows? Its time to stay fit the old fashion way, and help fellow creatures at the same time.

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

Again, people somehow managed to stay fit once upon a time without expensive equipment and gleaming facilities. But all of this is just where we've come to as a society: absolutely nothing can be done simply, it must require a product, preferably one that fits a certain "lifestyle" and is heavily-marketed.

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OonlyBonly 4 years, 8 months ago

Oh my gosh! Somebody on the West side of town with intelligence and a sense of fiscal responsibility. What a great idea - too bad "it'll never happen here." Frank Zappa

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

BigPrune you are on target. It was suppose to end but we should all know when voting for any tax is it will not go away. The YMCA idea just makes good sense.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

none2 why is it acceptable for the city to provide parking? the streets were intentionally build for parking and of course the garages but it was a choice made for a carcentric world but now the costs associated with all this is becoming unaffordable and time to start looking at options and as the population ages there will be even more people who shouldn't be driving.

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

The property must belong to the taxpayer. If not it is too expensive for taxpayers.

$10,000,000(million) for a rec center = money must be available.

I say the money can be spent more fiscally responsible:

$1 million for maintenance of existing rec center maintenance annually

$2 million each year into the pot hole repair cookie jar to allow for substantial rehabilitation instead of just patchwork by shovel.

$7 millon for side walk rehab and maintenance each year thus eliminating the need for the newly proposed sidewalk tax.

BTW taxpayers keep an eye on the Clinton Lake Regional Park project that which is a city park department project.

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BigPrune 4 years, 8 months ago

The sales tax increase of 1995 was supposed to have a sunset clause. Whatever happened with the sunset clause and which City Commission voted to extend this tax increase indefinitely? I haven't been following this story too closely. Also, wasn't the YMCA going to put something in Lawrence? I recall an article from a few years ago....maybe we leave it up to private enterprise instead of trying to dictate what someone can do on their property, after the fact.

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

none2 I can imagine how frustrating it is to give people without other transportation options something you can take for granted. What is really stupid though is having the bus and not getting rid of parking as a whole so people use the bus that they are already paying for in the first place, then one could walk whatever distance from the stop to their destination. I know that sounds novel to you but guess what, it is used around the world right now as a transportation option. How something that can benefit the entire city is less worthy than an athletic facility for people who pretty much have more than the rest of town already just shows the level of greed that exists on the west side or the people who represent it and even during a bad time as BG pointed out they were talking about cutting the nature center, the west side still wants this pushed through. And gosh are we surprised that all of the commissioners approved by the developers are on board. I guess people give Lawrence way too much credit for being a key part of the “smart corridor” when there is nothing smart about this and people aren't smart enough to get fit in the many ways possible outside of a rec center.

That's funny that you can sanctimoniously claim that a rec center is unnecessary because people can walk, run, bike; yet you insist that people must have the empTy because able bodied people cannot walk, bike, or run. Which is it?

Not only that but it isn't enough that most people freely choose not to ride the empTy, you want to squeeze people into riding it by making parking more difficult. If the empTy is so great, why does it require making parking difficult to get more people to freely choose to ride it? Why cannot it stand on its own merits?

While this is no time for a rec center given the economic realities, rec centers do have their benefits. They do enhance the health of people who use them whether you want to admit it or not. Furthermore, contrary to your twisted believes, just because a rec center may get built out further west one day does not mean that you have to have a west Lawrence address nor have a certain income level in order to use it.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

Well Seamus you have to understand, we can't just be toned and fit, all that one needs to fight off disease, no in Lawrence you have to become neurotic about it and sculpt and make every event a competition. Can't just work out but have to one up someone else. Although much could be done to get all of Lawrence active we instead focus on the few and make sure they have above average facilities

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

none2 I can imagine how frustrating it is to give people without other transportation options something you can take for granted. What is really stupid though is having the bus and not getting rid of parking as a whole so people use the bus that they are already paying for in the first place, then one could walk whatever distance from the stop to their destination. I know that sounds novel to you but guess what, it is used around the world right now as a transportation option. How something that can benefit the entire city is less worthy than an athletic facility for people who pretty much have more than the rest of town already just shows the level of greed that exists on the west side or the people who represent it and even during a bad time as BG pointed out they were talking about cutting the nature center, the west side still wants this pushed through. And gosh are we surprised that all of the commissioners approved by the developers are on board. I guess people give Lawrence way too much credit for being a key part of the "smart corridor" when there is nothing smart about this and people aren't smart enough to get fit in the many ways possible outside of a rec center.

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Seamus 4 years, 8 months ago

What's amazing is that we used to build beautiful places that didn't require $300,000 for studies and designs. What's also amazing is that in these economic times the city would even be considering such a luxury. And all of this makes you wonder how human beings ever managed to stay fit without special facilities! Ron Garvin (my gym teacher at SJHS in the 80s) taught us that a person could stay fit through simple calisthenics and running or walking.

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lwctown 4 years, 8 months ago

To the writer of the article: Darn good idea....I like it. Sometimes less gets us way more.

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

the homeless need a place to go ion the west side now lol

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says…

none2 I am quite familiar with Dog Days and as I've said before it is great but what I have questioned are the drivers, who I have witnessed plenty of times, racing to get there in their supersize me vehicles and usually gunning for the closest parking space. The other thing I questioned was the gimmick lead by none other than a real estate man who I'm sure is thinking how nifty it will be to have on a brochure put out by the Chamber to sell Lawrence as some kind of healthy city. Red Dog actually is using the very principles of exercising without needing all the weight rooms and rec centers, you just get out there and move! Lawrence can't be that healthy if so many get offended by the suggestion of walking somewhere in this town.

People race to Dog Days for multiple reasons. One being that he starts his exercises right on time. If you are late you miss out on the stretching exercise which help before the runs. Likewise, Bev and the other volunteers cannot hang around to take role call -- especially after the 6am time because they have to get to work.

When someone is rushed for time, does it make it anymore endearing if they rushing from inside a large vehicles or on some noisy motorcycle?

As to Red Dog's principles, he has nothing against other forms of exercise. He simply knows that there is no affordable nor logistical way to have all sorts of equipment to haul back and forth twice a day. That is why you go inside a building for weight lifting -- such as inside a rec center. The only equipment Red Dog has ever said he doesn't like is cell phones and other listening devices.

Finally, I know all about being offended by recommending that someone walk in this town. Try recommending that the city get rid of the empT for able bodied people, and instead give away bicycles to the needy. You'll get slapped down as a selfish, uncaring individual. While I don't think this is the time to build another rec center, I do know that such a center would cost far less to open and run than the empTy.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

none2 I am quite familiar with Dog Days and as I've said before it is great but what I have questioned are the drivers, who I have witnessed plenty of times, racing to get there in their supersize me vehicles and usually gunning for the closest parking space. The other thing I questioned was the gimmick lead by none other than a real estate man who I'm sure is thinking how nifty it will be to have on a brochure put out by the Chamber to sell Lawrence as some kind of healthy city. Red Dog actually is using the very principles of exercising without needing all the weight rooms and rec centers, you just get out there and move! Lawrence can't be that healthy if so many get offended by the suggestion of walking somewhere in this town.

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Kookamooka 4 years, 8 months ago

What the people of the west side want is a cookie cutter rec center with...basketball courts, weight room, community space. Basketball being the BIG push. As if every kid in Lawrence doesn't already have a basketball goal on their driveway already.

The ironic thing is...the city was offered the chance to buy the First Serve tennis center and it was TOO expensive. How short-sighted was that in retrospect?

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puddleglum 4 years, 8 months ago

how about a rec center inside the wal-mart? you could eat ding dongs then sweat them off

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

$300,000 could fix a lot of sidewalks through old west and old east Lawrence.

$7-$10 million could rehab a ton of existing sidewalks.

Whatever happened to the walkable community project?

Tons of people use sidewalks daily for exercise in all parts of town. Seems to me that is where the investments should be made.

Add a weight bench and maybe an elliptical trainer to the home plus sidewalks = set to go. Elliptical trainers can be helpful for bad knees that running creates. Then hit the aquatic center.

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defenestrator 4 years, 8 months ago

Guess what? Lawrence has sidewalks, trails, and an ever growing number of bike lanes. The school district is putting in brand new running tracks that you may use. Americans need to examine their daily habits and CHANGE them.

Europeans walk to work, climb stairs to their apartments, and hoof it to the park, store, museums, school, etc. Of course, they also eat better than most Americans.

You don't need a new rec center so you can stop being obese. You just need to get off your arse! If your waiting for a new facility to be built to get in shape, you've already given up on yourself.

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Jersey_Girl 4 years, 8 months ago

Jack - you are so right. Our obesity problem is that we are lazy. So making excercise equipment more available will increase the likelyhood that those of us who are overweight will make an effort to do something about it and decrease their ability to make excuses.

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none2 4 years, 8 months ago

royalpain (Anonymous) says…

JackRipper -

Until you quit “ripping” on those who apparently have more resources than you, your arguments will continue to read as “poor little me”. What do you have against Dog Days?

Royal, We know two things about Jack -- he could never be a coach nor a motivational speaker. He complains about others not understanding the community, yet he is clueless about Dog Days and the value that Red Dog has given freely to this community for 26 years. He probably doesn't realize just how many people he "turned-off" by putting down Dog Days (even if he didn't mention them specifically by name).

  Whether you walk, bike or drive to Dog Days, it is worth having.   Sure technically we could all stay in our homes and do isometric exercises, but how many do?   People do things when they are motivated.   That is the number one thing Red Dog provides for this community -- motivation.

 This isn't the time to build another rec center given all the expenses that are stressing Lawrence.  However, it is equally naive to think that they don't have their place in a community.  I personally always thought that basketball courts (and thus large gym courts) were fine outside, but then I am not into basketball.  If they were fine outside, then the size of rec centers needed would be a lot smaller.

I do enjoy weight lifting though I haven't done it in a while. You don't have to take steroids to get a lot out of lifting weights. Weight lifting elevated your metabolism which allows you to burn more calories above what just running/walking/biking can do. It also maintains muscle mass which is important throughout life.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

It is truly amazing how everything can be solved if people just had more! Our obesity problems come from being to lazy to just walk or bike somewhere and sitting on the couch eating dingdongs while watching TV. All the exercise a person needs to be toned and fit can be done using ones own body weight and putting one foot in front of the other in rapid sucession. If you want weights for less than a $100 you can buy all the weights you'd need. I doubt the German's are locked into living TV commercials and thinking everything good has to be puchased.

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Jersey_Girl 4 years, 8 months ago

Does Germany have the same obesity problem the US (and Lawrence) has? If not, then I think we do need more rec centers than they do. How many people in Lawrence make use of the current green spaces versus the current rec centers? I live in SW Lawrence and have used the weight room at Holcom, but it is not very big and could use more machines. East Lawrence actually has the nicest rec facility. I, for one, am much more likely to use a rec facility than a green space.

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phaederino 4 years, 8 months ago

"The question becomes why not ask neighborhood associations to submit ideas as to how to use the 1995 sales tax money instead of spending recklessly? Then put those ideas on a ballot for the community to decide."

Let's do that with Porkulus 2.

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parrotuya 4 years, 8 months ago

The corrupt and incompetent city commission is obligated to send some pork to the developers because they are in bed together. Where do 300 big ones come from when the city is in deficit? Sounds like corporate welfare to me!

I have a better funding scheme there is $15 million dollars stashed in the brand new athletic fields at Lawrence and Free State High Schools. The city could have a pork egg hunt for the developers! I am sure they can find $300,000 amidst all the pork there! Sshhhhh! Keep this one on the q.t!

DOWn, baby, DOWn!

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

If the 1,500 acre ongoing multimillions Clinton Lake Regional Park were not well underway and the high dollar USD 497 athletic projects were not under way, both of which provide much for the westside, maybe the rec center would be okay. Not now. http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/may/should_city_spend_20_million_or_more_play_project/

Thus far I do like Comm. Cromwell's approach because we do need to take a hard look at how many ways the 1995 sales tax money could be better spent.

Tax Increasing Projects On the Table: Clinton Lake Regional Park = at least 15 million USD 497 Atlhletics Project = $15-20 million 31st Sreet expansion = several million trafficway = $200-$300 Million New water & sewer to airport = 3 million Sewage Treatment Plant = $90,000,000(million) Farmland = it's a secret in millions West Side Rec Center = $7-$10 million easy School Building Maintenance = $20 million http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/oct/how_should_school_district_pay_20_million_maintena/ =========================================== Mill Levy increase http://www2.ljworld.com/polls/2007/jul/what_do_you_think_proposed_3mill_property_tax_incr/

Do politicians always come up with the best ideas? Do developers? Does the Chamber? Does the school board? The answer is no across the board.

The question becomes why not ask neighborhood associations to submit ideas as to how to use the 1995 sales tax money instead of spending recklessly? Then put those ideas on a ballot for the community to decide.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

well goshdarn royalpain, if you all are so much better off than me, why do I get to help fund the rec center? I guess you don't get it, I don't ask the city to fund my recreational activities, why do I have to fund people with the means to buy expensive shoes their rec center when there higher priorities in this town?

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Richard Heckler 4 years, 8 months ago

Allow more wildscaping which would cost taxpayers nothing.

As the letter writer suggested keep some meandering trails. There is a lot beauty in a natural setting.

Wild scaping can be better than mowing acres,upon acres,upon acres and upon acres. It is a fiscal responsible approach.

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royalpain 4 years, 8 months ago

JackRipper -

Until you quit "ripping" on those who apparently have more resources than you, your arguments will continue to read as "poor little me". What do you have against Dog Days? If you aren't an experienced runner, do you really believe that you have the authority to preach about the pitfalls of "high dollar shoes". I've read plenty of your comments hear, and to me you just come across as a bitter person who despises those who have become more successful than yourself. What do you have against people who make more money than you?

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kla4one 4 years, 8 months ago

Really great idea. Too bad it'll never happen. Seems like the powers-that-be are completely focused on a new, shiny building. At least it won't be built any time soon. Maybe by the time it gets past the planning stage (and ridiculous expense), we'll have a new city commission that will consider something more out of the box. I can't say I'm hopeful.

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JackRipper 4 years, 8 months ago

Chuck and Sue see it! It doesn't take weight rooms, team sports, astroturf, community workout days that have to be driven to because of the dumb growth in this city, all it takes is an enviroment that is friendly for people to walk in to get to real places for real business. You don't have to buy high dollar shoes and workout gear but just incorporate what we do best, walk, into people's everyday activities.

Chuck and Sue, the one thing Lawrence doesn't do, which is surprising since it is a college town, is think outside the box. A town the size of Lawrence with a bus service would not have parking problems if people thought outside the box but as you see we have too much JOCO influence here and we have made sure the car is part of the plan.

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kansasmutt 4 years, 8 months ago

Great idea, but it will never happen in Lawrence. See, Sue and Chuck, if the city was to not spend the $300,000 .00 that would be cut from the next years budget total.Departments can`t save money or have money left at the end of a budget year , or the next years budget will be smaller and that is not what they want. The idea of spending $300,000.00 on a study for this is crazy and as you said will go to a firm outside of lawrence most likely. I am lucky i guess , i live in a town that has come to see the real world ways and is changing how it operates. We have suffered like you, but in the next 10 years we are set to be a very smart city and be able to save . Our city leaders are changing how things are done and cutting waste.

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