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City commission to debate alternative-fuel buses

The days of diesel may be numbered for city buses. Lawrence is scheduled to get nearly $2 million in transit money, part of the recently-approved federal stimulus program.

February 23, 2009

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The federal stimulus package has spurred city leaders to seriously begin exploring ditching the city’s aging fleet of diesel transit buses and replacing them with alternative fuel vehicles.

Commissioners at their meeting tonight will be updated on the latest efforts to replace the fleet of 12 buses with new buses that run either on compressed natural gas or a renewable fuel source such as biodiesel.

“These additional funds from the federal government have given us additional possibilities, and that definitely includes alternative-fuel vehicles,” said Casey Toomay, the city’s interim director of public transit.

The city appears likely to receive $1.9 million in transit funding as part of the recently approved stimulus package. Toomay said it likely will be staff’s recommendation that all the money be used to partially replace the city’s fleet of buses, which are nearly nine years old.

The use of the federal stimulus funds, though, will mean that the city will have to make a decision on whether to buy alternative-fuel buses relatively soon. The stimulus guidelines call for at least half of the $1.9 million to be spent in 180 days.

Cost concerns will be part of the decision. Toomay said the city is estimating that traditional diesel buses will cost about $320,000 per vehicle. Alternative-fuel vehicles likely will be closer to $480,000 per vehicle, she said.

Compressed natural gas buses — which are used at the Kansas City International Airport — and buses that run on biodiesel fuel appear to be the most feasible alternatives currently, Toomay said.

In the past, the city has had concerns about the feasibility of compressed natural gas because it would require a new, specialized fueling station that would be expensive to build. But Toomay said the city believes there may be a private fuel-retailer that is interested in building a compressed natural gas station in the city. That would allow the city to simply buy the natural gas rather than investing in its own fueling station.

Mayor Mike Dever said he’s particularly interested in the compressed natural gas option. He said as the Environmental Protection Agency continues to look at whether Lawrence’s air quality standards meet new federal standards, options like cleaner burning natural gas vehicles could be important.

“This could be a real opportunity for the city to help bring a whole other energy source for the community to use,” Dever said.

Dever also thinks making the switch would make the city’s buses more cost-efficient from a miles per gallon standpoint. Supporters of natural gas vehicles have estimated that fuel costs average about 30 percent less than diesel.

Commissioners tonight are expected to give staff members approval to pursue other funding for buses as well. Commissioners are being asked to approve a list of projects to be considered for congressional earmark money. That list includes $1.6 million for transit buses.

The city in the past has been successful in receiving earmark money for buses. The city currently has $1.9 million in earmark money — in addition to the stimulus money — for buses. The city received that earmark money in past years, but had not spent it because until last November’s sales tax election there was uncertainty whether the bus system would continue.

If the city were to get the $1.6 million in new earmarks, there should be enough money to replace all 12 buses.

Other projects for which the city will be seeking earmark money include:

• $7.5 million to extend 31st Street from Haskell Avenue to O’Connell Road.

• $6 million to rebuild Kasold Drive from 31st Street to Clinton Parkway.

• $2 million to improve stormwater flow near 23rd Street and Ousdahl Road.

• $5.5 million to build a new North Lawrence stormwater pump station at North Fifth and Maple streets. The city also is holding out hope to receive stimulus money from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for the project.

Commissioners will meet at 6:35 p.m. today at City Hall, Sixth and Massachusetts streets.

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jrlii 5 years, 1 month ago

The last I looked, standard diesel engines ran just fine on biodiesel with no modifications. While the manufacturers have been reluctant to certify over a 20% biodiesel/petroleum diesel blend on account of quality control concerns, there are a fair number of vehicles out there which have run for years on 100% biodiesel, or nearly so. Running on filtered grease does take some pretty significant modifications, but not biodiesel.

No new buses are required to start using biodiesel. Now CNG or ethanol would require different engines entirely.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

The city commission best be looking at buses that are compatible with edar. edar is the issue not the bus.


The city commission best be looking at buses that are compatible with Louisiana St. bullmanure. Louisiana St. bullmanure is the issue, not the bus.

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monkeyhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

"Strong public transportaton is important to the growth of a city..."

What, then, is important for a dying city?

"Special" doesn't pay the bills.

In the words of Mickey Rourke:

You can't eat it, you can't _ _ it, and it won't get you into heaven.

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righthanded 5 years, 1 month ago

How about 'no busess' at all! Any money that comes to Lawrence from this so called stimulus should go to the working class!

It is our money!

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newshound25 5 years, 1 month ago

We need to make sure we have city commissioners who will take a look at the total package. Strong public transportaton is important to the growth of a city, but it needs to be efficient and not be a drain on the city. I think Lance Johnson would deal with this issue in a responsible manner because he supports energy efficiency, but at the same time, he doesn't want to see your tax dollars wasted.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

The city commission best be looking at buses that are compatible with EDAR. EDAR is the issue not the bus.

City commission , slow on the ride, :) if you will!

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notajayhawk 5 years, 1 month ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

"Despite your arrogance in attempting it, you don't speak for everyone— that the sales tax got 70% approval ought to be ample proof of that."

With enough stupidity in the voting population, anything is possible.

Especially with months of mindless, misleading (to be generous) rants from fine folks like boohoozo flooding the internet leading up to the vote. Refresh my memory, herr klowne: Wasn't it you that kept ranting about how all the buses would have to be sold off if the sales tax didn't pass, and it would be years before they could replace them when another source of funding could be found?

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

EDAR needs to be discussed in conjunction with new buses. Lawrence is so far behind the country in knowledge. EDAR is a priority. EDAR needs to be topic #1 before alternative buses. The buses must be equipped to carry EDARs.

I cannot continue to believe how slow Lawrence is in learning about EDAR.

Opening night of The Moronic Temple, 5 free EDARs to the first admitted to the burlesque show.

A chicken in every pot, an EDAR in every lot.

Don't steal my line anyone! :) EDAR, maybe some in the St. Patricks DAy Parade. No imagination in this town!

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Danimal 5 years, 1 month ago

Even the "new" KU buses average around 10 years old, all they got was some depot level maintenance and a shiny new paint job. If the city can get a good deal I say buy new buses, but the city doesn't exactly have the best record. I think that trolleys would be an awesome idea. The only unfortunate thing is that they have certain infrastructure that requires maintenance, and we've all seen that the city can't be trusted with the roads that they have, so there's no way that they could be expected to maintain trolley tracks.

Long and short of it is that Lawrence hasn't reached the population density, or demographics that make mass transit make sense. It works at KU because you have tens of thousands of people pouring in and out of a small area everyday, but I just don't see a full-on mass transit system being viable here.

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Godot 5 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if the new interim transit director has considered whether King O might require the city of Lawrence to put some skin in the game, you know, something like matching the dollars King O grants to the serfdom if lawrencians expect to benefit from his O'ness's generosity.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

So when will the city discuss EDAR and the new EDAR lots and licensing and fees associated with EDAR. This town is so far behind rest of the country and even the world now.

A chicken in every pot, an EDAR in every lot.

and dont' steal those lines anyone!

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Godot 5 years, 1 month ago

Obamanomics: spend 30% more for something that no one knows how much it will cost to operate, or if it will even work, all in the name of a fraud: man made global warming.

Your children's future earings at work, for a greener, less efficient, today.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 1 month ago

The way to "eco-freindly" busses!

Go here for the truith!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LiXJOQ8I0

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bndairdundat 5 years, 1 month ago

Since they are empty most of the time anyway, load them with hay and beef cattle to drive around town as mobile pasture, using the readily available methane. (tongue in cheek) ;-)

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Sigmund 5 years, 1 month ago

dpowers (Anonymous) says… "Sigmund - The people of Lawrence voted and you lost! Get over it! Or, better yet, ride the bus for once!"

No, we all lost. And given my time is still worth more than minimum wage like 95% of the people in Lawrence I don't have time to waste on the empTy. If you got a job you might understand.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

cowboy, if the "No stupid people are allowed to talk to the press" well, then City hall would become mute.

back to Barkley, would take me a while to look at old files, but it was barkley who even was proud of new sidewalks poured on Mississippi st near the campus...oh what the heck that was 35 years ago or so. They must not be in good shape now and none of the current commissioners ever read about the past.

Required reading: Thomas Sowell's : The Vision of the Annointed Self. a good reading and a good way to discern rain from piss.

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cowboy 5 years, 1 month ago

The city's proposals become more comical each week , pathetic but comical. Why not hire three diesel rebuild specialists , what do ya think they would be worth , 75 k each. Rebuild what we have if they are so badly worn from running around empty. Put 600 grand in parts budget , put the other 1.1 million into something that generates jobs in Lawrence.

This is not as much of a T argument as it is a , who are the dumb a$$es in the city that let this crap go on. I'm pretty convinces that the city should enact a new policy , " No stupid people are allowed to talk to the press "

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

Well, Barkley did have some problems, but I suspect Ed Carter a former mayor and commissioner was more involved with the tower , hello Southwestern Bell?

Required reading for all current commisson candidates should be: Thomas Sowell's, The Vision of the Annointed Self,, perhaps then they could discern rain from piss.

:)

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

Thinking about it more, wasn't Barkley Clark the visionary who provided a structure for the large cell phone tower downtown. If so let's balance out that horrendous piece of crap with something that does good for Lawerence.

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barrypenders 5 years, 1 month ago

I wonder what the savings would be per bus if they only had 2 seats installed?

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

We can say Barkley Clark was a visionary. Just need to go in and cut out all those things sticking out in the street, lay the track as the starter for the new Lawrence trolley. It would be special. We don't need cars parked along the street anyway, it is so tacky and the street cleaner guy can't clean the street properly. They are in the way. Take the bus and walk and all kind of problems are solved and the city looks cleaner. It would be special.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

Jack the Ripper, don't you remember, Barkley Clark wanted to bring the trolley back. It's gone and he's gone.

I would prohibit parking within four blocks of campus from 7am to 5pm. There would be a Park and Ride lot on the Jail property. I would get cars as far away as possible.

The current Park and Ride lot would be metered and again, all parking removed within four blocks north, east, south and west of campus, that area which is east of Iowa.

Now then, the owners will say, what about parking in front of my house? I would say, you aren't now because someone else is.

Lawrence is so behind the times, it truly is the time to open The Moronic Temple., entertainment at it's finest.

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flamingdragon 5 years, 1 month ago

ho-ho jackripper-yankee, you make rice paddy vely happy now. thankyou for american dollars-they make good toilet paper. You have cleanest fingernails in all of infomation-land. your kids love ipod and little xbox-mind control ... next we make you big cars to ride in for very cheap monies. still trying to get used to iron-rickshaw, but someday chrysler and gm and ford run out of IOU's...we take lazy american worker and build large dams. ps-send coal

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

honorable flamingdragon, have no concern, walmart, costco, clever shops downtown Lawrence, all products made in China. You cleverly beat us. We are proud and foolish. Think we can all be information workers and let others do jobs that one can get dirty doing. All of us, information workers, we produce nothing but were well paid, became addicted to consuming, you loaned us money to feed our addiction, we believed we are clever because we know what Hollywood stars do. Little on our mind. No patience, no memory of recent past. Spend lots of money on our education system and only to mold kids into consuming crazed test takers who know nothing and worse yet find it uncool to know something. Creativity dead as demonstrated by what is called music and art. We are ready to march in lockstep now.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

Or classclown, why can't the city annex that piece of road which lies right at the boundary, impacts the traffic of town, and unlike the "island" they suddenly decided needed to be annexed miles out of town to benefit their masters would benefit citizens of Lawrence instead of developers?

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flamingdragon 5 years, 1 month ago

JackRipper: you one funny yankee. I agree with you very much. Please continue to shop at wal-mart and buy chinese made throw away KU buses and other junk...we chinese invented the term "junk" ever hear of a chinese junk? that was just to confuse people. but really, shop at wal-mart. millions of chinese are depending on you.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

What makes the cost prohibitive is when the government doesn't provide all the services for the automobile. If you had to park many blocks from downtown or ku two things could happen. Many who look like they don't need the closest spot to Strong Hall will walk which should improve their health or the ride the bus and at least not adding to the problem. Tear up the parking lots, but the electric trolley back in and learn that what was old is suddenly new again.

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classclown 5 years, 1 month ago

spankyandcranky (Anonymous) says…

Beyond the bus part of this article, which I haven't completely formed my opinion about, money is also being requested by the city ($6 million) to rebuild Kasold Drive from 31st Street to Clinton Parkway. On this issue, I'm still going to say that I really believe 31st Street from Iowa to Louisiana, and also as it continues from Louisiana to Haskel, needs that rebuild more. They keep refilling the potholes, but that's just a band-aid solution.

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I couldn't agree with you more about that stretch of road on 31st. The problem however is that stretch is not within city limits so it will never see one dime of city maintenance money . The county needs to be petitioned to fix that road.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

spanky you've got me on that one too. But that is Lawrence logic. And when all those students start driving out of that apartment complex what do you suppose the traffic will be on 31st? That's our Lawrence.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

The T won't ever be beneficial unless it becomes more cost prohibitive than now. Let Lew Perkins take the bus system over and he can get corporate sponsors and raise the money to fund them.

The Obama dollars are kinda like Burroughs dollars. Here today, gone tomorrow.

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spankyandcranky 5 years, 1 month ago

Beyond the bus part of this article, which I haven't completely formed my opinion about, money is also being requested by the city ($6 million) to rebuild Kasold Drive from 31st Street to Clinton Parkway. On this issue, I'm still going to say that I really believe 31st Street from Iowa to Louisiana, and also as it continues from Louisiana to Haskel, needs that rebuild more. They keep refilling the potholes, but that's just a band-aid solution. The ruts are getting pretty deep there as well. I drive the part that the city is proposing to rebuild (Kasold from 31st Street to Clinton Pkwy), as well as the other two sections of road, and I'm really not understanding how the proposed rebuild area is getting priority at this point in time. Didn't they just rebuild Kasold from 23rd to Clinton Pkwy in the last couple of years? Is anyone else confused or concerned about this?

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

and now dpowers lets see the people of Lawrence actually live what the proclaim instead of just easing their guilt with a vote for the bus. So sad seeing all those little Honda's with their save the world stickers driving to ku every morning while buses and buses run empty. Let's see Lawrence be more like the cities who really show concern by doing something instead of putting it on a bumpersticker.

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dpowers 5 years, 1 month ago

Sigmund - The people of Lawrence voted and you lost! Get over it! Or, better yet, ride the bus for once!

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Chris Ogle 5 years, 1 month ago

barrypenders (Anonymous) says… The seat cushions are like brand new.


Seats are dusty.... riders wanted

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

You can look on the road and find trucks older than nine years old that have well over a million miles on them. The damn buses ku use to have were from the 60's and were doing just fine up till a few years ago. The throwaway society is going to end and we'd be smart to figure that out. They were ridiculous replacements for the old ones to begin with but as long as we have them let's put Lawrence repair people to work.

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barrypenders 5 years, 1 month ago

The seat cushions are like brand new.

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rattler 5 years, 1 month ago

those buses run an awful lot, even if nobody is riding them. Folks that own vehicle fleets in the private sector usually their fleets more often than every nine years. I know trucking companies like Old Dominion and WSKT do/did.

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OonlyBonly 5 years, 1 month ago

OMG! What have you folks elected?!

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Chris Ogle 5 years, 1 month ago

classclown (Anonymous) says… Nine year old busses are crap? Where did they come from? China?


Kansas, believe it or not.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

flamingdragon, tell government, keep buying American treasuries. America need support of communist government to keep running our free enterprise system. We use to fight communist around the world to protect our apple pie, now we can't exist in our gluttonous consuming without good communist support.

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flamingdragon 5 years, 1 month ago

Unlike solar or wind power, coal can be used for ever and ever. It is called a renewable energy source, because when you run out, you can dig a 'new' mine. over here in China, we burn that stuff like crazy. you green yankees keep trying to ban it from so-called environment, but taking coal away from us is like taking chocolate from a fat kid. You crazy kansans should let western Kansas get its coal plants running. then, the colorado people can get cheap energy, and all that smoke and stuff can be like a shield from the sun for eastern Kansans...Just think of it as like a window tinting for the whole sky. Everybody wins.

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classclown 5 years, 1 month ago

Nine year old busses are crap? Where did they come from? China?

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classclown 5 years, 1 month ago

parrottuya that is old already. Move on.

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Sigmund 5 years, 1 month ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says… "Despite your arrogance in attempting it, you don't speak for everyone— that the sales tax got 70% approval ought to be ample proof of that."

Good point so let me correct my statements. 95% don't ever ride it or need it. 70% wanted their sales tax raised to pay for it. And "Peak Oil" is as much a fraud today as it was decades ago when it was first proposed. Still even if true, there is no proof that a unused empTy bus system saves a single drop of oil.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

Nine years old isn't old either unless like everything else we have bought over the last years they were built like crap. There is no reason we should be trashing those buses but it is perfectly representative of Lawrence think, let's save the world with a new purchase of something. Tear up the parking lots and let's see something real for once. Really Lawrence is pathetically a poser town of the well off who only want to look cool and make sure it is going to benefit themselves. The first thing we should be doing is making jobs in Lawrence rebuilding the buses we already have instead of contributing to the consumerism mentality at the city level.

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parrotuya 5 years, 1 month ago

More tax cuts for transportation!

More tax cuts for bio-fuels!

More tax cuts for bus riders and waiters!

More tax cuts for Jayhawk!

Line up at the trough for your tax cuts!

More and bigger tax cuts for the wealthy!

Tinkle-down economics! More tax cuts!

More and bigger tax cuts!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 1 month ago

"Youre telling me that this fleet , what is it 5 years old , is trashed."

According to the article, they are nine years old.

"We don't need it, want it, or ride it,"

Despite your arrogance in attempting it, you don't speak for everyone-- that the sales tax got 70% approval ought to be ample proof of that.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

Sigmund forget all the environmentalist reasons if the proof isn't conclusive enough for you and just consider peak oil. The numbers are available and one day you'll probably appreciate that there is a bus but right now the bus makes no sense until the city and ku stop trying to make an income from parking and remove it. Of course why would anyone listen to this since they also didn't listen to what people had been saying about the bubbles. We always have to learn the hard way and think that we have become too smart to relive the things learned in the past the hard way.

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Chris Ogle 5 years, 1 month ago

Let me guess, the "new" buses will be built in less than 180 days so the the stimulus money can put people to work next week...then the old empty buses can finally be put to good use as .... homeless shelters Sounds like another methane gas tax is needed, if you ask me.

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classclown 5 years, 1 month ago

Put a set of pedals in front of each seat and allow the riders to power the bus.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 1 month ago

If these city greenies would get some buses which ran on untreated bullsh**, I know what galoot's house would be the fuelstop.

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Sigmund 5 years, 1 month ago

Has anyone who supports the empTy, anyone, ever considered the remote possibility that 95% of the population wouldn't ride the empTy if you paid them the minimum wage to ride? We don't need it, want it, or ride it, because it is a useless pipe dream of Lawrence liberals and the ecomentalist apocalyptic end time global warming alarmists who also overwhelmingly despise and avoid riding the empTy!

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

cowboy isn't it astonishing the the old ku buses were decades old and now we are told that the buses we have now are trash? This city and university made a big mistake when they ran the local guy out of business for I'm sure their own greedy reasons. This town can't do anything right and is always finding out ways to scam. I'd like to know what the city does to encourage their employees to take the bus. I'd like to know why the bus company doesn't use their own buses for the supervisor to get around instead of driving around in feel good hybrids or gas guzzling full size cars. I guess one thing you can't expect in Lawrence is any logic.

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JackRipper 5 years, 1 month ago

Sigmund is only right in that we didn't follow through and do what Lawrence and KU should be doing now, instead of pretending, as someone said using magic fairy dust fixes as the answer, and plow up all those parking lots and not assist in making the car the transportation solution of ease. It is nuts to keep those big buses running while encouraging people who work at ku and downtown to drive their car. It doesn't appear that free passes are getting people on the bus at ku as long as it is easy enough to drive. We can't expect people to do the right thing since we have seen so many over the last 20 years or so do just the things that people said would end up leading us to where we are now. Let's see our city and ku stop with the bull crap so called fixes and stop looking at the big profits they get from parking and do the right thing for once.

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cowboy 5 years, 1 month ago

and the use of these stimulus funds will benefit who ? an out of state bus manufacturer , not to mention throwing 1.9 mill in the proverbial outhouse. Youre telling me that this fleet , what is it 5 years old , is trashed. This is a colossal waste of hard earned money.

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Larry_The_Moocher 5 years, 1 month ago

Sigmund is right... The empT is a money pit with zero return. It runs half the number of busses it needs to in a community that has only about 1/3rd the number of people to make it viable.

Add to that, the sales tax in April... and it is just a "Feels good" junket to shut a few moochers up. In addition, it is funded with tax dollars and is in direct competition with the 4 local cab companies. No wonder the economy is in the shape it is.

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prospector 5 years, 1 month ago

Boone Pickens said it and I believe it.

http://www.pickensplan.com/theplan/

"Using America's natural gas to replace imported oil as a transportation fuel."

Start with the buses.

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Flap Doodle 5 years, 1 month ago

Be sure to wear cheerful, bright clothing while riding unicorn-powered bus.

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Sigmund 5 years, 1 month ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says… "And while we're wishing, Sigmund, let's just pretend the economy collapsing around us is just a temporary aberration, and not a result of of unsustainable use of energy and other natural resources, and “free market” principles that are nothing more than pyramid schemes that would make Rube Goldberg blush."

And what does any of this (even if true) have to do with wasting even more money on a bus system that less than 5% of Lawrence bothers to use even for all of the "advantages." The empTy is a failed transportation system and wasting more money on it is not patriotic or going to save the planet, it will do nothing but put us further in debt.

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average 5 years, 1 month ago

Yeah. It seems ragingbear doesn't gather that a bus-roof full of PV panels is less than one horsepower of energy.

If we wanted to really invest in infrastructure, we'd hang trolleybus wire in the air. Trolleybuses last easily 10 times as long as diesel buses, and the electric could be purchased from wind or solar sources if the spirit moved us. But, I can imagine the uproar from the preservationists if we installed wires over the streets (like they did in the first part of the 20th century, when the trolleys ran). Plus, undoubtedly, some mother would panic that the induced magnetic radiation from the trolley wires was giving her precious snowflake cancer.

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logrithmic 5 years, 1 month ago

Agreed Raging Bear and thanks!

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 1 month ago

And while we're wishing, Sigmund, let's just pretend the economy collapsing around us is just a temporary aberration, and not a result of of unsustainable use of energy and other natural resources, and "free market" principles that are nothing more than pyramid schemes that would make Rube Goldberg blush.

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Marion Lynn 5 years, 1 month ago

Ragingbear (Anonymous) says… "...... Solar cells could even be placed on the roofs of the buses to further offset the cost."

Marion writes:

Don't know much about photovoltaics, do you there, Ragingbear?

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Sigmund 5 years, 1 month ago

Ragingbear (Anonymous) says… "Use hybrid buses. They are optimal for stop and go driving. Solar cells could even be placed on the roofs of the buses to further offset the cost."

Better are buses that run on magic fairy dust and emit low calorie locally grown gum drops!

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 1 month ago

And after they buy new buses, is there money for proper maintenance? And when the new roads. i.e. streets are rebuilt , will they be maintained?

I'd like to buy one of the T buses to convert to a diner. $500 is hereby offered. Another one will be purchased to use for free rides to The Moronic Temple events. Another one can be used for mobile homeless housing. And the others can be kept as spares when the alternative fuel buses fall apart.

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Ragingbear 5 years, 1 month ago

Use hybrid buses. They are optimal for stop and go driving. Solar cells could even be placed on the roofs of the buses to further offset the cost. This would dramatically reduce the overall cost and maintenance of the bus system.

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