Archive for Sunday, February 15, 2009

Clemente sorry for ‘T’ — sort of

Kansas University’s Sherron Collins, right, drives against Kansas State’s Denis Clemente during their meeting in Manhattan. The former rivals have reunited at the Charlotte Bobcats’ summer league camp.

Kansas University’s Sherron Collins, right, drives against Kansas State’s Denis Clemente during their meeting in Manhattan. The former rivals have reunited at the Charlotte Bobcats’ summer league camp.

February 15, 2009


KU snags win in Manhattan

After trailing for much of the first half, the Jayhawks pulled ahead of the Wildcats and held on to achieve an 11-point victory in Manhattan. Enlarge video

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2009 KU-KSU Feb. 14

— Denis Clemente was sorry that he hurt his team with a technical foul midway through the second half.

He wasn’t apologetic, though, for elbowing Kansas University’s Brady Morningstar to pick up the ‘T.’

“He elbowed me in my stomach, and I’m not going to let nobody bump me in my house,” the Kansas State guard said after KU’s 85-74 victory Saturday. “This is my house. So I punched him back.”

Did he deserve the technical?

“Yeah, I deserved it, but I got my respect,” Clemente said. “You’re in my house. You ain’t going to do that to me. You ain’t bumping me.”

Though he might have gotten respect, he also killed the momentum for the Wildcats during a key stretch in the second half.

KSU was down just 53-51 with 13:52 left when a foul was whistled on Morningstar.

Clemente’s technical followed, and KU’s Sherron Collins hit two free throws before the Jayhawks received the ball.

“He reacted in a wrong way on that possession,” KSU coach Frank Martin said, “and, unfortunately, he paid, and we paid.”

On the ensuing possession, Tyrel Reed drained a three from the left side, and suddenly the Jayhawks’ lead was back to seven.

After a missed three from KSU’s Jacob Pullen, a trey from Collins gave the Jayhawks an 8-0 run and a 61-51 lead.

“I think that’s the game right there,” Clemente said.

The junior guard apologized to his teammates in the locker room for his technical.

He later recalled that his coach told him on the bench, “Next time, you can’t do stupid (stuff) like that.”

Clemente also was involved in a similar incident late.

After shooting a free throw with 31 seconds left, video replays showed Clemente took a swing and made contact with Reed’s head while the KU guard was boxing him out. No foul was called on the play.

Clemente seemed distant at the postgame news conference, often staring off in the distance. At one point, while a teammate was answering a question, he softly banged his head twice on the table in front of him.

“I want to win,” Clemente said. “When you look at the scoreboard and see that we lose, I got a little bit crazy. I just wanted to win, you know? That’s how I feel.”


angelmom 8 years, 8 months ago

Good sportsmanship. Something that all the young athletes who look up to these players should see. Come on guys, think before you react.

danemary 8 years, 8 months ago


jaywalker 8 years, 8 months ago

I didn't get to see the game, saw Clemente's elbow on Brady on highlights. Guy's obviously a punk, I looked for ill intent on Brady's part, none there, just good defense. Anyone see the Reed incident? How blatant was it? I imagine we'll find out tomorrow if the league office takes action.

yankeelady 8 years, 8 months ago

We were watching it. It looked like Clemente had his arm across Brady's neck then after the call, (kind of overcalling almost, looked like good defense ) jammed his elbow into Brady's back. The commentators all complimented Brady on keeping his cool and not responding. They didn't seem to think anything untoward had happened until Clemente lashed out. What a jerk.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 8 years, 8 months ago

On the replay, there was no foul by Morningstar visible, although Clemente clearly was pushing off on Morningstar.

TheYetiSpeaks 8 years, 8 months ago

If you watch Clemente over the course of a game, you will notice when he drives he uses his off arm very liberally, the kind of thing that for those that have played really pisses them off.

cato_the_elder 8 years, 8 months ago

Denis Clemente is purportedly the second cousin of baseball legend Roberto Clemente. Given that, it's surprising that he conducts himself on and off the court with such lack of class. He needs to re-learn about sportsmanship by focusing on how Roberto Clemente, one of the classiest players ever to play any sport and a Hall of Fame player who was a notable humanitarian too, conducted himself both on and off the field.

63BC 8 years, 8 months ago

"Clemente seemed distant...often staring off into the distance...he softly banged his head twice on the table..."

"I got a little bit crazy."


Confrontation 8 years, 8 months ago

Are these losers still planning to beat us in Africa, too? With K-State fans and K-State players, you just can't get any worse. Low class, extreme trash.

MIke Mallory 8 years, 8 months ago

ever heard the saying, like father like son, well, how bout LIKE COACH, LIKE PLAYER!!!!!!!!

janeyb 8 years, 8 months ago

All "little punk" team:

  1. Cookie Miller

  2. Denis Clemente ( Why do parents do that? It is Dennis.)

kujayhawk 8 years, 8 months ago

Was he sorry for the punch to Reed's head with about 30 seconds left he didn't get called for? That kid is a thug.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

I would like to see that video replay. And I would also hope the league sees it so the refs could be told about what happened and what they obviously missed.

I don't know if Brady "punched" or just made contact with the thug playing defense, but it doesn't excuse him for throwing a punch. The refs called the foul, and that should have been it. It's not like Clemente doesn't throw an arm or an elbow playing defense or offense for that matter. What a thug.

If our guy would have thrown a punch, don't you think bill would have sat him for a long time?

Thinking_Out_Loud 8 years, 8 months ago

Hey, he apologized, what? He's realized he overreacted. So cut the kid a break. Ought he say "My house or not, I shouldn't have bumped back because I needed to be a bigger person than that?" Probably.

And how many of us posting on this board would let the same thing go by? He ought to; he didn't; he realized he hurt his team and apologized to them; he's not going to admit he shouldn't have just let go of it as "part of the game;" so let's all just ignore it. It doesn't deserve this type of attention.

jonas_opines 8 years, 8 months ago

"Denis Clemente ( Why do parents do that? It is Dennis.)"

Think it might be the Latin American influence, maybe? Imagine that, non-anglo spellings for things?!

gl0ck0wn3r 8 years, 8 months ago

Oh... I thought he was sorry for Lawrence's lame, cost ineffective bus system.

Jennifer Nikkila Pressgrove 8 years, 8 months ago

here's a link to the swing to Reed's head...

Definitely doesn't help Clemente's rep.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

Thinkingoutloud - The Jayhawks did. For most every punch that KSU threw or tried to throw, KU did nothing.
And Clemente threw a punch at someone playing defense - whether he was "punched" as he claims is questionable.... I think most people let it go by.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

Thanks dave. nice clip. Reed didn't react in the clip, but wondered what happened afterwards....Does look like a girly slap, though....

weeslicket 8 years, 8 months ago

players get frustrated and act out (some of them) when the referees lose control of the game. the referees in yesterday's game were the big losers (i believe doug gottlieb even commented on that). examples:
1. referees are "concerned" now about players throwing elbows, and yet they allow defensive players to slap and grab the player holding the ball. call those initial fouls and you won't have to worry as much about elbows later. (rule for players: keep your elbows/forearms up around your shoulders, but parallel to your body. in yesterday's game, cole should have gotten the foul for elbows, but tyrel should not have been called). 2. likewise, referees need to call fouls on players who are going after a loose ball, but only have their hands full of another player or that player's jersey. (in one scrum yesterday either sheron or mario, i forget who, reached down to pick up a ball that a k-state player had lost. the k-state player was laying on his back, KICKING the ball. not called. then, another k-state player came into the scrum and jumped on the back of the ku player. clearly a foul, again nothing called. finally, a third k-state player dives shoulder first into the ku player (another foul), but manages to get part of his hand on the ball, and that's considered a jump ball. eh?)

ku kept their composure. k-state lost theirs. these referees should be expecting some consequences from the league offices.

BTW, does anyone know why mario played so little yesterday (unintended pun)? i don't think he even stepped foot on the floor the second half.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

It was sherron on the floor, with the tie up you are talking about.
What happened in the jump ball later, when Brady was called for the foul?

And I noticed Mario Little didn't have much or any playing time in the 2nd half. If he played, which I think he did, he didn't do much. He kind of disappeared in this game.

Anyone got a link to a clip when Brady supposedly "punched" Clemente? I want to see it again......

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

But yes, thinkingoutloud, his comments kind of say it all. I don't think our players would say anything like that on record. His comment is about as immature as his punch.

jaywalker 8 years, 8 months ago

Agree with that, mom. Thanks for the link, daver. Didn't get to see it. League office will review and probably take action.

cynner471 8 years, 8 months ago

Clemente was wrong and made a bone headed play. But I will take him any time over a sex offender or someone that shoots old women with BB guns.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

hhmm, cynner, must be a ksu or mizzou fan. I wouldn't take clemente over anyone on the KU's team. Wouldn't touch his attitude with a 40 foot pole. Heck, I would take anyone on Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Baylor, A&M, OU, OSU, Tech, ISU, before I would take someone with Clemente's attitude. And yes, I will say it. I might even take a few of the Mizzou players before I would even look at Clemente and his attitude.

jrbass04 8 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, Clemente definitely said punk, not bump. Here's a link to another story with his quote in it. May want to change that in your story.

cynner471 8 years, 8 months ago

I stand by my statement. No sex offenders or elderly abusers on our squad!!

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

doesn't really matter if he said punk or bump. He still said nobody does that to me in my house.....

Stand by your statement, cynner, no matter how incorrect it is.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

And since when is a 47 year old woman elderly??

jonas_opines 8 years, 8 months ago

Probably seems pretty old when you have the mentality of a low teen.

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

lol, jonas.....

I don't think a bb at 500 ft away justifies elderly abuse anyway.....and although i am not 47 yet, and won't be for a little while, I don't want to be thought of as elderly.....ever!!

Evan Ridenour 8 years, 8 months ago

and it wasn't even a BB it was an air soft pellet and at that distance she probably BARELY felt it. I am not saying that it is okay to be shooting air soft guns out of their window but people have blown the action WAY out of proportion.

And I agree, Clemente is a thug, he should of been ejected for the blow to Reeds head and suspended. There is absolutely no excuse for that it was obviously intentional. Ditto with the Brady hit. And the fact that he doesn't even think he was wrong in doing it and stated that publicly... You know something is wrong when K-State is more thuggish then Mizzou...

Stay classy K-State.

jackfoku 8 years, 8 months ago

lets get real fans. our defenders seemed to have an 'affinity' for defending clemente's crotch. i do not care, it worked, he overeacted several times, and we got the edge. he's a hothead, but a thug, well, thugs 'go first', and this was not the case. i think instead it was smart basketball on the hawks part, getting their star out of his comfort zone.

janeyb 8 years, 8 months ago

Denis Clemente ( Why do parents do that? It is Dennis.)

Think it might be the Latin American influence, maybe? Imagine that, non-anglo spellings for things?!

Jonas: Latin American or not, it is just a little too much like Penis and very easy to change by adding the extra "n".--but on the other hand "If the shoe fits".

fuel_for_the_fire 8 years, 8 months ago

Wow janeyb: Talk about not having any class!

lildos 8 years, 8 months ago

Denis Clemente ( Why do parents do that? It is Dennis.)

Think it might be the Latin American influence, maybe? Imagine that, non-anglo spellings for things?!

Jonas: Latin American or not, it is just a little too much like Penis and very easy to change by adding the extra “n”.—but on the other hand “If the shoe fits”.

Denis Clemente is Puerto Rican and that's how they spell that name in Spanish and Portuguese. Even if there are immature people like janyeb that have their mind in the gutter (or 4th grade), it makes no sense to comment on how his name is spelled.

Someone brought up a good point about Marcus Morris, he almost overreacted as well. But that is something that Bil Self will make sure to discipline him (and his brother, because they seem to be fans of some ruckus once in a while), but that stuff does not fly with KU basketball.

jonas_opines 8 years, 8 months ago

Well, the two together at least bring up the possibility of an attempted jest. Best just to let it slide rather than potentially overreact to trolling.

Freestater456 8 years, 8 months ago

also on the "all punk" team would be the Morris twins. Did not do anything yesterday but they are obviously not class acts.

Freestater456 8 years, 8 months ago

Oh and logicsound were you furious when which ever twin it was chest bumbed a referee? Was that not one of the stupidest moves you ever seen? Get tough with the guy that calls the fouls...... yeah thats real intelligent!

jonas_opines 8 years, 8 months ago

Freestater, maybe it would be easier if you went to that thread and read up on the positions taken on that incident before you try to draw parallels with this one.

weeslicket 8 years, 8 months ago

pilgrim: And the last time you pulled on the stripes was… ? same question to you, knucklehead.

kansas people watch, and understand, basketball. i was born in manhattan, and i live in lawrence. you can name on ten fingers the areas of the country who watch, and understand, basketball (e.g., kansas, north carolina (NC, NC State, Duke, Wake), kentucky, ucla, boston, LA; kindly add your next five),

kansas won this game because they responded to, and overcame, adversity. k-state did not. likewise, kansas lost at missouri because they did not properly respond to, and overcome, adversity.

perhaps you shoud take your blather to or maybe you prefer being irrelevant in two forums all at the same time.

jayhawkbarrister 8 years, 8 months ago

Dear Senor Clemente,

I do respect you, but KU got the win. How does that taste?

Does the NCAA Basketball Selection Committee give points for 'respect'? I can see the story:

"The Chair of the NCAA basketball selection committee announced on Selection Sunday the committee was seeding KSU #1 because the committee just has so much respect for Denis Clemente. In other news today, the custodian of Memorial Gardens in Lawrence reported that Dr. James Naismith rolled over in his grave."

mom_of_three 8 years, 8 months ago

I don't agree that Cole should have been called for his elbow on Kent. Kent was at Cole's back, and Cole didn't see him when he turned, similiar to the play at Missouri, when Missouri did get the call for the great flop. In either case, he was not throwing elbows, or being aggressive. He was clearing the ball, which every kid is taught to do in beginning basketball. Get to close, and it's their own fault. Now, if he was waving wildly, that would be a different case. Tyrel was also keeping the ball clear, and was keeping the KSu player from reaching. That was also a call which didn't have to be made.
After the KSu game, maybe there should be a new category for flops.

Diana Lee 8 years, 8 months ago

News flash: his name is Denis (as in Denny), not Dennis, because he is Puerto Rican. Is that such an off the wall concept?

jonas_opines 8 years, 8 months ago

haha pilgrim thinks he's a big man now.

puff your chest out a little more.

weeslicket 8 years, 8 months ago

pilgrim states: Nearly three decades worth. well, i tip my hat to you. perhaps you have something to offer after all. i'd like to hear your commentary. how far did you get?

as for me, i have never refereed the game. but i have the good fortune of watching games with a buddy of mine who refereed in the miaa. and of course, i watch and understand the game. and of course, many others on this forum watch and understand the game-- are you suggesting they not comment as well?

challege to pilgrim: i did provide something of an analysis regarding the responsibilities of the referees, and of the players, during loose ball and elbowing situations. are you able to respond to that analysis?

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