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800,000 doses of H1N1 vaccine for children — including some in Douglas County — recalled due to lack of potency

Doses lack potency, but still expected to stop flu

Medical Reserve Corp volunteer Mayetta Cahill, Lawrence, prepares a syringe containing a dose of the H1N1 vaccination during the Douglas County H1N1 clinic Wednesday, Oct. 28, 2009 at the Douglas County 4-H Fairgrounds. Cahill, like others who volunteer with the Medical Reserve Corp are called to assist during a public health emergency.

Medical Reserve Corp volunteer Mayetta Cahill, Lawrence, prepares a syringe containing a dose of the H1N1 vaccination during the Douglas County H1N1 clinic Wednesday, Oct. 28, 2009 at the Douglas County 4-H Fairgrounds. Cahill, like others who volunteer with the Medical Reserve Corp are called to assist during a public health emergency.

December 15, 2009, 10:21 a.m. Updated December 15, 2009, 5:35 p.m.

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Flu vaccines recalled

About 800,000 H1N1 vaccines were recalled Tuesday. The vaccines were not harmful, but not as potent as other batches. Enlarge video

About 800,000 doses of swine flu vaccine for children are being recalled because tests found the strength of the shots had dropped after being shipped, health officials announced Tuesday.

Despite the drop, the doses are expected to be fully effective in preventing H1N1 flu.

The recall was being done as a precaution and not because the vaccine poses any safety threat. The cause of the potency drop is being investigated.

The recalled vaccine comes in pre-filled syringes and is intended only for children between 6 months and 35 months of age.

“Parents of children who received vaccine from the recalled lots do not need to take any action, other than to complete the two-dose immunization series if this has not already been completed,” said Dr. Jason Eberhart-Phillips, director of health for the Kansas Department of Health and Environment.

Children who are younger than 10 years old should receive two doses about one month apart.

According to KDHE, 3,700 doses of the recalled vaccine were distributed to 25 Kansas counties, including Douglas, between Nov. 9 and Dec 6.

The Lawrence-Douglas County Health Department gave 50 doses of the recalled vaccine and is returning 450 doses to the manufacturer.

Lisa Horn, spokeswoman for the local health department, said department officials wouldn’t be contacting those affected.

“We don’t want to cause further alarm because they don’t need to take any action. It’s not a safety issue,” Horn said.

Other area counties affected by the recall include Jefferson and Shawnee.

Kansans who have questions about the recall can contact the KDHE H1N1 hotline at (877) 427-7317, or visit www.kdheks.gov/h1n1 and click on “Individuals, Families and Communities.”

Comments

Bob Burton 5 years, 4 months ago

Good old Government Health Care @ it's finest!!!

appleaday 5 years, 4 months ago

Sounds like it's the pharmaceutical company's mistake. . .

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

I just love how all the idiots blame the government for something that the Pharmacuetical industry did wrong. These are the same idiots that think we should leave the pharmacuetical and health care industry alone to do what the please. The idiots call it unregulated free enterprise. Capitalism at its best, we'll make you crap and you'll buy it.

To anybody who's kids got these shots:

Stop filling your kids with vaccines. And we wonder why these is so much autism spectrum disorders out there. The pharma industry gives a rats arse about you or your kids. You keep paying them and they'll create anything for you, even if its bad for you.

funkdog1 5 years, 4 months ago

Okay, rooster, you started out well and then .... yowza. Keep vaccinating your kids, folks. Thankfully, we barely have the memory of such horrifying diseases as small pox and polio. Unfortunately, some of us are starting to forget.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

Funkdog1, Go to the Pine ridge indian reservation and ask them about this forgotten polio you speak of. And go speak with someone who has a kid with a spectrum disorder and ask them how its going.

I think vaccines are ok but we use waaaaaaaaaaay to many of them and the health care industry seems to like to give our youngest too many at once. Its a scenario for a epidemic like we have now with autism. If you want your kids vaccinated then wait until they are 5 or older the chances of autism at that age statistically drops dramatically.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Rooster says: "Stop filling your kids with vaccines. And we wonder why these is so much autism spectrum disorders out there. The pharma industry gives a rats arse about you or your kids. You keep paying them and they'll create anything for you, even if its bad for you."

You obviously haven't read any research, but form your opinion on the baseless claims of those in Hollywood. Thimerosal, which was used in vaccines as a preservative prior to 2002, was claimed by some to cause autism. However, in 2002 it was taken out of vaccines as a precautionary measure. As a result, autism rates haven't decreased but have increased since then. Vaccines do not cause autism. However, vaccines can help save lives. Jenny McCarthy, Charlie Sheen and whoever else wants to claim vaccines are terrible can go right on ahead...once they are able to study it out and analyze their findings in an intelligent and scientifically sound manner...I may listen to them. Until then..their claims are without merit.

Kyle Chandler 5 years, 4 months ago

right on rooster!

Oh id just love ANOTHER shot of 'lets go down the ingredients list' WAIT, this batch might not have Squalene!

but it still has Aluminum phosphate, Aluminum Hydroxide, and Calcium Phosphate!

and my favorite....

Thimerosal!

I invite anyone on here to explain (in detail) why ANY human would need this stuff injected not once but TWICE...to insure they dont get the FLU!

RUBBISH!

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

To ignorant lovethislife:

From the cdc website: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/thimerosal_qa.htm

Please read this before you post anymore ignorant comments. Will the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine contain thimerosal?

"The 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines that FDA is licensing (approving) will be manufactured in several formulations. Some will come in multi-dose vials and will contain thimerosal as a preservative. Multi-dose vials of seasonal influenza vaccine also contain thimerosal to prevent potential contamination after the vial is opened."

So yes they still use thimerosal in vaccines. I pray that your kids are not as ignorant as you are.

newmedia 5 years, 4 months ago

Another government fiasco... Still awaiting the panic and crisis... Hope and Change...mm.mm.mm

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

"...If you want your kids vaccinated then wait until they are 5 or older the chances of autism at that age statistically drops dramatically."

Your advice is dangerous. Whooping cough is most deadly in infants, and it is on the rise. Thanks impart to parents refusing to vaccinate their kids due to the unfounded fear of giving them autism. In fact, listen to this quote by Virginia Keane, at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, "In the 1990s we saw fewer than 1,000 cases a year. In 2004, we had a little over 25,000." Thankfully, I think most parents on this board are a little more informed than Rooster.

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/health/2008/December/Whooping-Cough-Rates-Rise-in-the-US.html

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=53724

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090329/NEWS/903305032?Title=Cases-of-Whooping-Cough-on-the-Rise-With-Infants-Most-at-Risk

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

Newmedia, huh, must be a reference to newsmax?

Please tell me how the government created these vaccines without the pharma industry?

Oh, just just some more jibber jabber from idiots.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Rooster, yes I do know they use thimerosal in the H1N1 vaccine. You obviously don't understand the point that I was making..they took it out in common childhood vaccines in 2002...the rate of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorders has increased since then not decreased.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

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LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Those statistics have nothing to do with vaccinations causing autism.

Just so you know, name calling doesn't strengthen your argument.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Yeah...whooping cough..you must not know much about it. It is pretty serious.

here's some information on it: http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Pertussis/

From the CDC, "Pertussis (whooping cough) is a very contagious disease caused by a type of bacteria called Bordetella pertussis. Among vaccine-preventable diseases, pertussis is one of the most commonly occurring ones in the United States. Pertussis can cause serious illness in children and adults. The disease starts like the common cold, with runny nose or congestion, sneezing, and maybe mild cough or fever. But after 1–2 weeks, severe coughing begins. Children with the disease cough violently and rapidly, over and over, until the air is gone from their lungs and they're forced to inhale with a loud "whooping" sound. Pertussis is worse for very young children; more than half of infants less than 1 year of age who get the disease must be hospitalized. About 1 in 10 children with pertussis get pneumonia (lung infection), and about 1 in 50 will have convulsions. In addition, about 1 in 250 people who become infected with pertussis develop a brain disorder called encephalopathy. And in even rarer cases, pertussis can be deadly. "

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

Jacob123 Failure of bush to regulate the healthcare industry.

At least obama is addressing the issue.

Lovethislife

Keep doing what you're doing then. I hope your kids get their kids vaccinated very early too. It will mean less competition for my kids.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

Once again the ignorance speaks. "Yeah…whooping cough..you must not know much about it. It is pretty serious."

My unvaccinated kid got whooping cough several years ago. Today he's one of the top in his class, brilliant really. I guess you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Like I said just keep vaccinating your kids all will be fine. (completely tongue in cheek)

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

He's pretty lucky. His outcome could have been very different.

Keith 5 years, 4 months ago

Most roosters crow to announce the break of day, this one just crows to announce ignorance.

ferrislives 5 years, 4 months ago

rooster,

If you choose to not vaccinate your children, that's your choice. But after reading this Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles) about just one of the many diseases that used to wreak havoc on American children, measles, I request that you others that make that choice home school your children if you don't already.

Why you ask? Because of an interesting line from the article: "A 2005 measles outbreak in Indiana was attributed to children whose parents refused vaccination." And that's just one outbreak due to parent's fear; I'm sure there are others.

I agree that vaccinations should continue to be studied for any major issues, but those parent's have obviously not lived in a time where outbreaks of polio, measles, mumps, small pox, etc. were common-place. If they did, and they saw their own children suffer and possibly die from such diseases, they'd probably think differently.

So please, home school your children, so that you don't place your chosen burden on my own.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 4 months ago

We all know this vaccine was rushed, and mistakes where bound to happen. This does not seem to be "bad" like side effects, but still, you lean on a company to get these done, quality control goes out the window.

somedude20 5 years, 4 months ago

rooster (Anonymous) says… "I hope your kids get their kids vaccinated very early too. It will mean less competition for my kids"

I guess the flipside to that is keep on not getting your kids vaccinated as it will mean a few less social welfare recipients that American tax payers will have to cover in the future

thepianoman 5 years, 4 months ago

Seriously, people. How can you not think, especially these days, that we live in a society that over medicates and over vaccinates for every little thing!!!!!!! Come on!!!!

How can our bodies build a sound immune system if we constantly inundate them with all kinds of medicine and vaccines...IT IS NOT HEALTHY. I never take medication unless it is ABSOLUTELY warranted.

Can you honestly tell me the human body was/is designed to process the ingredients contained in vaccines and prescription drugs???? Preservatives, mercury (don't care if they are "low doses" that won't do any harm...That's BULL) Do you know what these ingredients do to your organs and internal systems? Seriously, think about it.

This is a little of the subject of vaccines, but talk to your grandparents and great-grandparents about drugs and illness. Ask them how they treated the common cold, flu, etc. Bet they didn't have Z packs, Tami-flu, nasty cough syrup, etc, etc. They treated these illness naturally without these rediculous drugs that the RX companies are shooving down our throats.

gr 5 years, 4 months ago

"intended for young children, ages 6 months to almost three years."

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked by the wise men, was exceedingly angry, and sent out, and killed all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all the surrounding countryside, from two years old and under, according to the exact time which he had learned from the wise men. Then that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled, saying, "A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children; she wouldn't be comforted, because they are no more."

gr 5 years, 4 months ago

Folks, listing how bad a disease is does not mean that vaccines will do anything about it. No more than hopping on one leg.

"Thankfully, we barely have the memory of such horrifying diseases as small pox and polio. Unfortunately, some of us are starting to forget."

Too bad some didn't "forget", but never knew the atrocities propagated in the name of "science", politics, and fame under the guise of preventing polio and smallpox.

"Is it safe to receive another dose?" Well, supposedly it was safe, so another dose wouldn't hurt. However, if you are lucky enough to get a non-harmful dose, don't go back again.

"measles, I request that you others that make that choice home school your children if you don't already. "

Why? So you won't try to push your views onto others? Or is it because you don't believe vaccines work? Because, if they work, then an unvaccinated person wouldn't bother you.

Have you considered your what view would be of being next to one of the 20-55% who still get the disease after being vaccinated?

kristyj 5 years, 4 months ago

Actually, I heard that both Douglas & Shawnee County Health Dept's had surpluses of the vaccine because fewer people came in to get vaccinated than they expected (yay for citizens NOT freaking out at the command of the feds!). So if they had a surplus over time, it makes sense that the vaccine would lose potency and expire.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Vaccines do work. It has been well documented that the real, permanent drop in cases of vaccine-preventable diseases in the United States occurred only after vaccines were used routinely throughout the country.

Even without vaccination programs in place, the number of cases of most infectious diseases naturally varies from year to year. So if there was a dip in the rate of infection following the introduction of a vaccine, some people just wrote it off as a normal fluctuation, not the result of an effective immunization program. It's easy to see how people might think this. However, if the decrease were just a coincidence, it would be temporary--it wouldn't persist like it does following immunization programs.

Examples of the dramatic and lasting impact of successful immunization programs include smallpox, polio, measles, rubella (German measles), pertussis (whooping cough), tetanus, and diphtheria vaccines.

The most recent success story in the United States is the lasting drop in cases of life-threatening disease caused by Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib). Before 1985, Hib caused serious infections in about 20,000 children each year. This included 12,000 cases of meningitis and over 400 deaths. Since routine immunizations began, the incidence of Hib disease has fallen 99 percent, and it has remained low for more than a decade.

refer to: National Network for Immunization Information (NNii) and the National Immunization Program of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

ferrislives 5 years, 4 months ago

gr says: "Why? So you won't try to push your views onto others? Or is it because you don't believe vaccines work? Because, if they work, then an unvaccinated person wouldn't bother you. Have you considered your what view would be of being next to one of the 20-55% who still get the disease after being vaccinated?"

Wow, I'm not sure what to make of the grammar in this paragraph, but here I go:

It's simple gr. Kids who are not vaccinated and attend public schools with other children pose a risk to those children, because those non-vaccinated children have a much higher risk of catching any of those diseases. You can try your darnedest to dispute that fact, but it is a fact.

Mark my words, as more of these parents choose to not vaccinate their children and send them to public schools, we will eventually see new epidemics of these diseases we thought were long gone. It's just a question of when it will happen.

Concerning them spouting their views to me and my kids, I could give a flying fu*k really. I actually agree with a lot of their views on this subject, but I also believe in science. I don't mind listening to other opinions on any subject, but I do have a problem with them possibly bringing those diseases into my child's school, as any good parent would.

gr also said:

"Have you considered your what view would be of being next to one of the 20-55% who still get the disease after being vaccinated?" Nope, because I haven't seen proof of such a thing. Please show proof.

I would also like to note that your tone in this forum, along with a few others, is really disrespectful and below you. If you disagree with someone else's view, it's no reason to accuse them of being an idiot.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

To lovethislife, It's great of you to quote Dr. Spocks website without a citation. Just goes to show how simple your mind really is.

And neither lovethislife nor ferrislives answered the question posed by GR.

If your kids are immunized and mine is not. And my kid goes to school with a sickness shouldn't your kids be safe?

I mean they are immunized aren't they?

If you answer yes, then my child poses no threat.

If you answer no, then why the hell do you inject your kids with so many man made drugs if they are not going to help anyway?

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

What bothers me is the fact that those who are so vehemently opposed to vaccines won't give any real data or statistics to back their claims.

for example gr: "Have you considered your what view would be of being next to one of the 20-55% who still get the disease after being vaccinated?" Where does s/he get this percentage?

or rooster:

"Autism: 1 in 91 children have a spectrum disorder

1 in 58 boys have a spectrum disorder.

The numbers speak for themselves. "

How does this show a correlation, let alone a causation related to vaccine usage? I

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

lovethislife must have difficulty in reading comprehension.

Please refer to my post at 12:06 where I state that they can be ok but following the vaccine protocol for a child has them pumped up with over 10 vaccines by 18 months.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/schedules/downloads/child/2009/09_0-6yrs_schedule_pr.pdf

Simply stupid.

As for the correlation between autism and vaccines... Believe what you want. There are infact lawsuits being paid out to families who have administered vaccines to what was a perfectly normal child who then immediately developed a spectrum disorder.

But as I said before. Go ahead vaccinate. Time will clearly show your inability to read between the lines.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Rooster Not citing the website is my fault. I thought I had included it in the comment I made.

Regardless of my failure to cite it, where is your data to refute the point that is made?

Look, I actually like to hear differing opinions than mine. I do take issue when someone makes a serious claim, and then encourages others to follow his/her advice without giving substantial evidence to back them up.

Show me your sources.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

This is from the cdc website. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vsd/vsd_studies.htm#autism

"Thimerosal and Autism

In response to public concerns, VSD researchers have begun a case-control study to examine the association between thimerosal and autism rigorously. The study aims to determine whether exposure to thimerosal in infancy or in utero is related to development of autism. The study will also evaluate whether exposure to thimerosal in infancy is related to development of the subclass of autism predominantly associated with regression. As part of the study, researchers will use automated data and registries to identify children with autism (cases) and without autism (controls). In-person examinations, telephone interviews, medical chart reviews, and immunization tracking systems will be used to collect information on vaccine history and other possible covariates. Recommended by the Institute of Medicine, this VSD study will be the first rigorous, epidemiological study conducted on the issue of thimerosal and autism. Data from this VSD study should provide the best available scientific information on whether a causal association between exposure to thimerosal and the development of autism is possible.

This study is in the data collection phase."

The study is in the collection phase. Meaning they have not concluded that thimerosol vaccines do not cause autism.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

So if you have at all read my post above (from the cdc) and it "will be the first rigorous, epidemiological study conducted on the issue of thimerosal and autism" then how can you conclude there is no proven connection between thimerosal and autism? Even the CDC says they don't know for sure.

frank mcguinness 5 years, 4 months ago

So vaccines probably do work, As I stated in my 12:06 post but heres the cost:

1 in 91 children have a spectrum disorder

1 in 58 boys have a spectrum disorder.

ferrislives 5 years, 4 months ago

rooster says: "If your kids are immunized and mine is not. And my kid goes to school with a sickness shouldn't your kids be safe?

I mean they are immunized aren't they?

If you answer yes, then my child poses no threat.

If you answer no, then why the hell do you inject your kids with so many man made drugs if they are not going to help anyway?"

It's funny that you are calling everyone else idiots like a child throwing a tantrum, while then expecting respect from others on your views. Maybe if you learned to communicate in a way that didn't involve name calling, you'd be taken more seriously.

Anyway, to answer your question, no vaccine is 100% effective. In fact, nothing in life is 100%, is it? It's more like 85% to 99% effective according to "Kids Health" (see http://www.education.com/reference/article/Ref_Frequently/?page=2).

It's a scientific fact that your child has a much higher risk of getting and spreading several very harmful diseases to all children in such a school (see http://www.education.com/reference/article/Ref_Frequently/), especially those who aren't immunized. So along with spreading those diseases to other non-immunized children within that school, those who unfortunately are only covered at 85% end up being harmed by your decision.

And that doesn't even take into consideration children who have a weakened immune system due to premature birth, genetic disorders, etc. But you obviously don't care about that. You just care about being right in your world.

So continue with your name-calling, it's SO helpful to us all.

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 4 months ago

The only scourge killing people around here right now are people like rooster.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

This is a journal article from the Archives of General Psychiatry. It is an analyses of data collected from the California Department of Developmental Services. This links you to the abstract. http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/1/19

If you go further down you can read a bunch of other related articles related to the topic as well. Some have abstracts and some don't.

It will be interesting to see what the CDC concludes.

A correlations and a causation are two different things. Just because there maybe a correlation does not meant that there is always a causation. When looking into a topic it is important to make that distinction.

gr 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm sorry, ferrislives, that I forget tone is only supposed to go in one direction. I only see where you have called people idiots. But again, I guess it's only supposed to flow in one direction.

When people are trying to poison you and your kids, why wouldn't you be a little upset? And everywhere you turn, someone is trying to contaminate your food supply. Usually, all for making a buck. But then there are some doing it for political reasons.

If vaccines working has been so "well documented", how about listing some peer reviewed research so the rest of us in the dark can know these "well documented" facts? I've been asking for weeks, for months, for years and have yet to see anyone list any. Why is it so hidden?

You seem to make an emphasis about kids who aren't vaccinated spreading disease to others who aren't. That was their choice. They have weighed the benefits (or found there were none) and risks and made safe and healthy decisions. They may still get sick, but know injecting foreign animal products and hazardous chemicals would not stop it. But how does their choice affect your kid if he is vaccinated?

LoveThsLife - "A correlations and a causation are two different things. Just because there maybe a correlation does not meant that there is always a causation. When looking into a topic it is important to make that distinction."

Excellent! Just keep that in mind when you make correlations with reductions in diseases. First, you need to ask if the reduction was happening before the vaccinations went into effect. Next, you need to ask if it was a cause for further reduction or if there were other things going on at the same time. As you say, it's important to make that distinction.

vertigo - "Who manufactured this vaccine? The government? Nope. A private corporation intending to make a profit? Yep.

Keep blaming the government… sheep. Because that's what your overlord Rush says to do. "

Questions: Who is paying for it? Who is urging it on others?

Sharon Aikins 5 years, 4 months ago

I did live through the polio epidemic. I witnessed a lot of kids having very different outcomes to their lives than they or their parents expected. I have known some adults who lived through it with devastating results. It can and does come back in adulthood. And I stood in line with a bunch of other kids to receive the vaccine. No, it wasn't fun, or even optional back then most likely, but ironically, the incidences of polio dropped dramatically after the vaccines.

I know that some kids have bad reactions to some vaccines. I agree that maybe they give too many of them at once yet my children lived through them all with no harmful results. Heck, one of them was even in the gifted program. Neither had autism. And they did not pose a risk to other children because even with the vaccines, some children can still get diseases, only with less severe results. As to bragging about my child having had pertussis and being okay now, I would be ashamed that I didn't do my best to prevent my child from having it in the first place. I'm guessing that this child was pretty ill and the parent could have prevented that rather than being so close minded that they would not consider any vaccines at all. Who will they blame when we start seeing polio, small pox, measles, whooping cough and a variety of other diseases in the future because we chose not to vaccinate at all?

gr 5 years, 4 months ago

Was smallpox vaccination a success?

From http://www.freewebs.com/scientific_anti_vivisectionism17/smallpoxvaccine.htm In Britain vaccination was made compulsory in by an Act in 1853. 1853-1863 33,515 died of smallpox The UK law was extended in 1863. epidemic of 1863-65 killed 20,059 After the Act of 1867 and enforced vaccination, the Chief Medical Officer stated in May 1871 that 97.5% of the population were vaccinated. but the 1872 epidemic killed 44,840 Death rates: 28 per 100,000 in 1871 46 per 10,000 in 1880 up to 370 per 100,000 for 1881-91 with 82.1% of babies vaccinated. In 1896, two of the Commissioners, Dr Collin and Mr Picton, issued a Minority Report stating that there was need for closer scrutiny of the history of smallpox and that "other more effective and practicable modes of stamping out smallpox" were available. But the majority of Commissioners, in the Final Report, concluded that compulsory vaccination should be retained and that arm-to-arm vaccination should be replaced by animal vaccination. (Because, 'that's all we've got')

Enter "glycerinated calf lymph". (Look that up and be disgusted for the way they get "lymph" to inject into you and how they treat calves. Don't worry, about six years after seeing it, they decided to kill the calves first before "harvesting" their pus)

With conscientious objection to smallpox vaccination permitted, only 67.9% of babies were vaccinated from 1891 to 1901 and the death-rate fell to 43.7 per 100,000 compared to 82.1% of babies vaccinated from 1881 to 1891 at a death rate of 370 per 100,000. From 1907, exception was allowed by simple declaration, and with less and less people vaccinated, the death-rate fell to 39.5 per 100,000 for 1910 to 1911.

A "seed lot" system of vaccine production was introduced. the UK Medical Research Council appointed the Rolleston Committee to examine vaccination - out of concerns of the prevelance of post-vaccinal encephalitis and concluded "Whereas, in our opinion, the available evidence acquits vaccinia virus of being the sole cause of this complication, we are unable to exonerate vaccination from playing some part in its causation".

In 1946, compulsory vaccination was ended. From 1957 to 1960, over 400,000 people a year were vaccinated for the first time against smallpox, and over 75,000 were re-vaccinated 12 cases of smallpox with 3 deaths The Vaccination Act was finally repealed in 1961 In an outbreak of smallpox in Britain in 1962, 34 of 59 cases had been vaccinated.
(By the way, that's 57% for ferrislives, LoveThsLife and others who need to know that)

in the 25 years up to 1962, nearly two-thirds of the children under 5, born in England and Wales, remained unvaccinated - of which only four unvaccinated children had died of smallpox; but of the one-third of children under 5, born in England and Wales, who had been vaccinated, 86 had died from vaccine reactions. (Are vaccines safe? Do they work? Not in the past)

LoveThsLife 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh brother gr:

Here you go....

Journal of the American Medical Association Efficacy of Influenza Vaccine in Nursing Homes http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/253/8/1136

The Journal of Infectious Diseases Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness in Preventing Hospitalizations and Deaths in Persons 65 Years or Older in Minnesota, New York, and Oregon: Data from 3 Health Plans http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/323085

Pediatrics Safety and Efficacy of High-dose Rhesus-Human Reassortant Rotavirus Vaccines—Report of the National Multicenter Trial http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/1/7

Here's a few for your reading enjoyment.

There are two about the seasonal influenza vaccine and one about rotavirus.

I don't time have time to post more.

Have a nice day.

ferrislives 5 years, 4 months ago

gr, please re-read the second and third paragraphs from my last post to answer your question on why and how a non-vacccinated child affects my children.

Concerning calling people idiots, no one except for you and rooster have resorted to name-calling on this story. If I've ever called anyone an idiot in the past, that's because they chose to spout off their ideas without listening to others. If someone's going to continue to state their opinions like a parrot without listening to other points of view, then there's really no point for them to debate others. It's a waste of time. I'm willing to listen to others ideas on this subject, but once another poster (such as you) has crossed a line of decent discord, there's no point. In addition, if another poster decides to call me a bunch of names, I'll then defend myself. If you look at my post history though, you'll note that I don't resort to that sort of thing anymore. That's because I saw the light that people such as yourself are just bullies in need of attention, and I'll be damned if I'll be the one giving that attention to you.

Concerning you not trusting government, that's another reason why you should keep your children at home. You obviously have no faith in them being taught by a government-run public education system. But no, you're one of those who constantly complains about the public schools, while doing nothing to change it for yourself.

And concerning the drop in diseases that used to be common-place in America, let's look at Polio as the example. Here are some good resources for you:

If you can look at this data and still not see the huge effect that the polio vaccine had on American children, then you truly do have your head in the sand.

Good day.

gr 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks, LoveThsLife. Finally someone presents some real data worth looking at (without just saying, see huge effect).

As I've asked before, how would one go about determining an effective rate? For example, in the JAMA abstract, it says 27% and 12% of residents were affected. That includes vaccinated and unvaccinated. Would one say that the best case that study could show effectiveness is at 27%? Why do you think the other 70% didn't become affected?

Maybe 70% of the residents weren't exposed the same way. Have you come across any study where it is more designed with a control? You know, where they control and can ensure equal exposure.

The rotovirus seems better. It'd be nice to see the data rather than just the conclusion. But, don't you find it disturbing that the vaccine was said to prevent less than 50% of the episodes? I mean, if the theory works, why did it not prevent almost all episodes rather than just reduce severity? Seems to call into question the concept to me.

And regarding this current article about the "potency", isn't the virus supposed to be "dead", so why would there be any "potency" problems? How can they say, "the doses are expected to be fully effective in preventing H1N1 flu" when the studies you list say vaccines reduce the severity?

Don't you think these are valid questions?

I found another article listed below the JAMA on BMJ, "Effectiveness of an influenza vaccine programme for care home staff to prevent death, morbidity, and health service use among residents: cluster randomised controlled trial"

If I'm understanding it correctly, one out of the two years, they conclude that it prevents 9 influenza-like illness per 100 residents. 9% They also suggest factors which may have skewed the results either way. Interesting that in the year they thought was uneffective, 123 residents died in the control versus 203 in the effective year. I couldn't tell if they took that into effect, but assume so?

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