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Voters’ choice

August 20, 2009

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To the editor:

What would our nation look like if the right-wing conservatives ruled? In the past they have voted against: Social Security, Medicare, women’s right to vote, equal pay for women and all civil rights legislation, and now they are attempting to block health care reform.

Is it time for concerned Kansans, Republicans and Democrats, to think about who we send to Washington?

Comments

jmadison 5 years, 4 months ago

Regarding your statement about civil rights, the votes for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (from Wikipedia) By party

The original House version:

* Democratic Party: 152-96   (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34   (80%-20%)

The Senate version:

* Democratic Party: 46-21   (69%-31%)
* Republican Party: 27-6   (82%-18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:

* Democratic Party: 153-91   (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35   (80%-20%)

It would seem Republicans voted in favor of passage at a higher rate than Democrats.

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

I just love the elitist morons who say things like "blocking healthcare reform" - if you don't do it THIS way, then you must want the status quo.

By the way, E.Kent: Since you obviously haven't been keeping up with current events, the Republicans currently can't vote to block anything. If there were no objections by the Dems, then the bill would already have been passed and enacted. Oh, and since you obviously don't know (or care) what your fellow citizens think, it's the American public that doesn't want this monstrosity passed.

kansastruthteller 5 years, 4 months ago

Our nation is ruled by left-wing liberals today so how does it look? Do you like it? Are you happy? If not, then why not since the Democrats are in control of Congress and the White House.

grammaddy 5 years, 4 months ago

" the republicans can't vote to block anything." Is this why they are throwing such a hissy fit? If they can't get anything done, they'll just keep everyone else from getting anything accomplished, either.

grammaddy 5 years, 4 months ago

And yes, I like the way "Democrats in charge" is beginning to shape up. I'm very happy. Trying to do something about the country's current condition is better than doing nothing at all. Obama is still in his first year in office, trying to clean up the mess he inherited. How about a little patience?!Nobody was raising this much hell, whiie the mess was being made. Oh I forgot, You weren't allowed to make a stink at a Bush speech, those who didn't agree with him were not allowed admission.

jaywalker 5 years, 4 months ago

” the republicans can't vote to block anything.”

"they'll just keep everyone else from getting anything accomplished, either."

Duuh, allow me to rebutt your point by repeating that which you've already refuted. Hic.

think_about_it 5 years, 4 months ago

ekent

Social Security and Medicare are a huge drain on our society and by far the largest part of our budget (that's right folks, far more than the department of defense).

Turns out that the Republicans were right on those issues.

Some would even say the country turned south when women started voting too! :-0

seriouscat 5 years, 4 months ago

Maybe people should use them readin and thinkin skills to read up on the actual candidates and where they stand on the actual issues instead of just voting for the 'R' or the 'D'.

The fact that voters across America (and evidently the author of this LTE) characterize things in goodies.vs baddies terms is juvenile and pathetic.

supertrampofkansas 5 years, 4 months ago

jmadison,

Of course we wouldn't want to leave anything out from your history lesson would we?

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%) Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%) Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%) Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

(From Wikipedia)

Ironically, the passage of this particular act actually caused a mass defection of Southern Democrats to the Republican Party.

It would seem that you have a reading comprehension problem jmadison. The letter writer specifically names right-wing conservatives, not Republicans or Democrats.

Try again.

Leslie Swearingen 5 years, 4 months ago

Education is highly overrated and it is is province of smug, self-righteous people who look down on others.

Jason Bailey 5 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Hayes: I believe you're missing the facts on civil rights. Many of the "old guard" dems voted against Civil rights in the 60s and one of their most revered members, Robert Byrd, was a high ranking member of the Klan.

Even FDR didn't think Medicare or SS should last indefinitely. His plan was to have the govt phase it out over time once the nation got past the crisis of the depression and its fallout.

Kennedy would be much more inclined to vote with the conservatives than the libs who run things, if he were alive today. His voting record/bill signing record and fiscal conservative stance during his Senate career and short presidency proves that.

Ideologues on both side scare me to death.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

Is protecting the most expensive medical insurance in the world good for business? No it is anti business and anti new jobs and industry

Is protecting the most expensive medical insurance in the world good for keeping the cost of of just about everything we buy in reasonable check? Absolutely not it increases our cost of living across the board just like high dollar gasoline.

Did we elect people to office to protect the most expensive medical insurance in the world from a more reasonable and fiscally responsible insurance program? No way jose' That is corrupt.

Did we send elected officials to Washington to accept special interest campaign money from the most expensive medical insurance program in the world? Heck NO that increases the cost of insurance!

So it seems the loudest voices against Smart Medicare Insurance for All are those who are profiting from the misfortune of others.

Eileen Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

The people who gave us 8 years of Bush and Cheney ought to let someone else take the wheel for awhile.

I don't want them in charge.

devobrun 5 years, 4 months ago

"What would our nation look like if the right-wing conservatives ruled? In the past they have voted against: Social Security, Medicare, women’s right to vote, equal pay for women and all civil rights legislation, and now they are attempting to block health care reform."

It would look like this:

People who invest in real estate, General Electric, municipal bonds, certificates of deposit and a thousand other reasonably secure things and would see a gradual increase in their wealth. They would laugh at social security and the investments would grow over time, causing the entire economy to prosper.

Old folks would also have a nest egg to pay their medical bills.

Women would vote anyway.

The poor and the disenfranchised would be invited to join the investors and the successful. They would be evaluated by the content of their character, not the color of their skin as it is now.

Government would be much smaller. Government would be much less intrusive. People would be encouraged to live the American Dream which is liberty.

Liberty, Kent. Freedom from you, for one thing. Freedom from "cash for clunkers". Freedom from erroneous, laughable rules and regulations regarding what to think and what to do.

People would be born, live, and die. Just like they do now. Except they would be more free.

Not as secure, but much happier.

Elections and who is president wouldn't matter as much. How you and your friends and family conduct your behavior would.

We could have had a more open, honest, growth of society including that for women and minorities without all the welfare, EEOC, EPA, etc. Good folks living a life they create for themselves.

Nope, we chose top-down management. We traded freedom for security. From the 1960's on we gave up. Wimped out. Became........the French.

Eileen Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

If conservatives ruled without the occasional respite of rule by a more progressive administration, we would soon devolve into feudalism.

The conservative model is not sustainable. You cannot destroy and use up everything and expect things to continue as usual. You would end up with a country like Mexico: where a few "haves" live behind concrete and iron fences in luxury, and fear to go outside their walls where all the devastatingly poor people live.

devobrun 5 years, 4 months ago

Stain, we live in Mexico. The rest of us stay inside and play video games and wait for the government to do something.......with Mexican labor.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

Senate Panel Hears of Health Insurers' Wrongs Ex-Insider Testifies to 'Fear Tactics'

By David S. Hilzenrath Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, June 25, 2009

Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should have paid, according to a report released yesterday by the staff of the Senate Commerce Committee.

The report was part of a multi-pronged assault on the credibility of private insurers by Commerce Committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.). It came at a time when Rockefeller, President Obama and others are seeking to offer a public alternative to private health plans as part of broad health-care reform legislation. Health insurers are doing everything they can to block the public option.

At a committee hearing yesterday, three health-care specialists testified that insurers go to great lengths to avoid responsibility for sick people, use deliberately incomprehensible documents to mislead consumers about their benefits, and sell "junk" policies that do not cover needed care. Rockefeller said he was exploring "why consumers get such a raw deal from their insurance companies."

The star witness at the hearing was a former public relations executive for major health insurers whose testimony boiled down to this: Don't trust the insurers.

"The industry and its backers are using fear tactics, as they did in 1994, to tar a transparent and accountable -- publicly accountable -- health-care option," said Wendell Potter, who until early last year was vice president for corporate communications at the big insurer Cigna.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"Ironically, the passage of this particular act actually caused a mass defection of Southern Democrats to the Republican Party.

It would seem that you have a reading comprehension problem jmadison. The letter writer specifically names right-wing conservatives, not Republicans or Democrats.

Try again."

Unfortunately, it is patently clear by now that "try again" just means they post that bit of manipulinformation as if it holds any water.

over and over and over

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

By E Kent Hayes standards, this letter seems like an afterthought, and it doesn't seem like his heart was really in this one. He usually rants for much longer.

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

grammaddy (Anonymous) says…

"Is this why they are throwing such a hissy fit? If they can't get anything done, they'll just keep everyone else from getting anything accomplished, either."

You weren't very good at math in school (if you went to school), were you, grammie? One more time for the painfully slow folks - the Republicans can not keep the Democratic administration and bullet-proof Democratic majority in the legislature from accomplishing anything. They have themselves to blame for their failures, although the idiotlogues will always try to blame the conservatives.

By the way, grammie - by "hissy fit," don't you mean representing the will of the people they were sent to Washington to speak for (the way a representative form of government is supposed to) instead of kissing the collective Obama-Pelosi-Reid a**?


edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"Yeah they do. Unless you are referring to the small, partisan, Republican minority that are hooligans at these town halls…And no, don't feed me crap that these people are “independent Libertarians”…"

You seem pretty good at eating crap already, eddie. You've sure swallowed more than your share from the Dems.

And you weren't so good with yer' cypherin' and sech either, were ya', eddie?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low

"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June."

"More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it."

"The latest polls shows that 26% of voters believe that passage of the Congressional health care plan will lead to a better quality of health care. But most voters (51%) disagree and say the quality will get worse."

"Voters in all age and income groups, again by large margins, believe passage of the reform measure will drive up health care costs."

Keep those blinders on, eddie. Fine folks like you are just what the country needs to get Republicans back in office.


logicsound09 (Anonymous) says…

"The Republicans' recent behavior has not been that of a party with an intelligent alternative solution. It has been obstructionist. So if people think they are in favor of the status quo, they have only themselves to blame."

I was hoping you'd be a little better than the other guys at math, logic. How does a minority that can't even filibuster 'obstruct' anything?

"So even though they may not favor the status quo, they've done a horrible job of making their position clear."

"They" have? The RNC's position on healthcare getting a lot of press lately, is it?

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

Since conservatism takes the evolved state of human affairs, recognizes its limitations but places great value on the known and understood character of those limitations, and so asks of any who would discard the proven to demonstrate the superiority of the unproven including the (inevitably) unforeseen pitfalls, this letter says almost nothing. Restated: conservatives are conservative in nature and not given to unproven, dangerous, or untried ideas. Gasp! Who knew?

That conservatives have missed the boat on ideas now valued ignores the infinite list of poor ideas that conservatives strangled in the crib and whose absence we today take for granted. For every flower-filled meadow of brilliance there are a thousand "Pol Pot-ian" hells-on-earth that have been avoided thanks to conservatives withholding their (grudging) consent to poorly conceived schemes.

Flap Doodle 5 years, 4 months ago

Survey says: “…WaPo/ABC sees independents as the key, as should Congressional Democrats facing elections next year. At the beginning of 2009, Obama had high ratings among independents, but no longer. Only 41% now trust Obama’s judgment, down from 61% in January. They disapprove of Obama’s handling of health care by 57%, almost all of whom strongly disapprove, and the same number oppose the policy itself. Among the half of independents that say ObamaCare will affect their vote in the midterms, they swing 2-1 to saying that they will oppose candidates who backed it. Even the skewed samples don’t hide the fact that voters have finally realized that Obama is no genius, but an inexperienced politician, a lousy doctor, and an incompetent economist. And it’s only the seventh month of his presidency.” http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21/wapoabc-poll-obama-fading/

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"And notajayhawk, like I asked you before, what would you do to solve this crisis?"

Gee, eddie, maybe ypu should have read my answer the first time you asked. This time I was just referring to your (incorrect, as usual) claim that the American people wanted this reform package passed.

The problem with children like you is you think changing something automatically makes it better. (Obama's election disproves that hogwash, but I understand a lot of Obama supporters were too young to remember Jimmy Carter, and had to make their own mistakes to learn). I never claimed to have all the answers, BTW. I don't have to in order to know this is a mistake. I don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that building a pedestrian bridge to the moon is probably a bad idea, too. But as I said, your claim that the American people want this crapola is, thankfully, very very wrong. Poor little Larryvillers, so out of touch, they actually believe other people think the distorted way that they do.

beatrice 5 years, 4 months ago

"What would our nation look like if the right-wing conservatives ruled?"

Pretty much as it does now, but without any real plans to right the state of ship from the troubling economic waters in which we find ourselves. Have we forgotten the last 8 years so quickly that we really need to ask this question?

My only wonder is, if conservatives ruled, would Sarah Palin have quit by now?

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

pilgrim2: "The “progressive” model is not sustainable. See Soviet Union 1917-1993." really? the soviets were progressive? please speak some sense.

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

snap_pop_no_crackle: "Survey says: “…WaPo/ABC sees independents as the key, as should Congressional Democrats facing elections next year. At the beginning of 2009, Obama had high ratings among independents, but no longer. Only 41% now trust Obama’s judgment, down from 61% in January. They disapprove of Obama’s handling of health care by 57%, almost all of whom strongly disapprove, and the same number oppose the policy itself. Among the half of independents that say ObamaCare will affect their vote in the midterms, they swing 2-1 to saying that they will oppose candidates who backed it. Even the skewed samples don’t hide the fact that voters have finally realized that Obama is no genius, but an inexperienced politician, a lousy doctor, and an incompetent economist. And it’s only the seventh month of his presidency.” http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/21…"

i've taken some measurements, and the data suggest that for around 34% of the time, i'm only 72% confident, or mostly confident, in my perceptions.

JHOK32 5 years, 4 months ago

We've already seen the answer to this question....people are living it everyday (except the very rich of course). Foreclosures all over the country, people being kicked out of their homes, losing their jobs AND their health insurance. The worst recession since the great depression.....for what? A $Trillion dollar war that only benefited Exxon-Mobil makng the highest record profits of any U.S. company EVER.........who did that benefit, us slobs paying $4 a gallon gas at the pump - NO! The rich man who already has 6 different million dollar vacation homes - Yes! THIS is what the country looks like when the "conservatives" are in power. The rich get richer & the poor get poorer." Keep that image fresh in your minds my friends for a VERY LOOONG TIME!

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

pilgrim2: "The Soviets were as statist as it gets." "So-called “progressives....” ".... liberals ......"

that's a very strange intellectual soup you just mixed up. again, please do start posting some sense.

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

edjayhawk (Anonymous) says…

"You made it pretty clear…Like most other Republicans you have no plan but feel you are gaining something by criticizing it….end of story."

You made it pretty clear... like most Democrats, others have presented ideas that you either didn't bother to read or dismissed because they deviated from your Messiah's plan. You know this plan is a monstrosity but you feel you'll be gaining something just by changing something. That's the [problem with people like you, eddie - your idiotlogical devotion leads you to call 'end of story' because one group of people came up with one plan, and it's either that or nothing to you. Luckily, more people are speaking out, fewer people are acting like sheep; people like you are becoming more irrelevant by the day.

Corey Williams 5 years, 4 months ago

Pilgrim2 (Anonymous) says… "Once the liberals have nationalized the health care industry, there won't be a single aspect of your life they won't claim authority to control, all under the guise of “health.”"

Yeah, and I heard there were going to be "death panels" where people would be forced to submit to euthanasia at a preordained age.

Yep, the second claim sounds as stupid as the first.

Bill Lee 5 years, 4 months ago

What an incredibly boring discussion...the same old voices taking the same old shots at each other with no one making an effort to make things really better. Here's a thought...any health care bill should be a thousand words or less. It should be clear and to the point, not a morass of conflicting details. In general I've found truths to be fairly simple. It's lies that get complicated. As examples of simplictiy I refer everyone to the ten commandments and the bill of rights.

George Lippencott 5 years, 4 months ago

I love it. Democrats can do no wrong and Republicans have horns. Republicans will save the Republic from Democrats who are destroying it. Could we need a third more centrist party that might focus our energy on real problems and real solutions??

Fred Whitehead Jr. 5 years, 4 months ago

What would our nation look like if the right-wing conservatives ruled? Well, there has been a lot of discussion on this letter, but I would simply state this. What do other countries look like that allow religious zealots to run their governments? Iran comes to mind. Perahaps Afganistan, Pakistan, Somalia, other countries that respect their people and provide for them???

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 5 years, 4 months ago

think_about_it: "Turns out that the Republicans were right on those issues."

I've thought about it, and I conclude that you've omitted some essential punctuation...

Turns out that the Republicans were "right" on those issues.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"Some would even say the country turned south when women started voting too! :-0"

Also the Civil War, the Civil Rights movement, and any other time that a large population of legally oppressed people or their advocates take issue at a society and economy built and enabled by their oppression.

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

the data suggest that for around 92% of the time, posters are 94% confident, or mostly confident, in their perceptions.

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

pilgrim, you are still posting nonsense. and rather than composing a coherent statement or response, you simply resort to name-calling. whatever, pilgrim.

purplesage 5 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Hays guts his own case. The increasng dependence upon government is ruining America. This nation was built on the backs of men and women of character and will whose independent, self-sufficient spirit made this nation great. The very programs he cites as examples of Republican opposition arise from a different attitude that is destructive to traditional American values. It isn't that government run progrms are so great. We have just gotten used to mediocrity.

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

beobachter (Anonymous) says…

"How stupid do they think average person is?"

I dunno, Be.O. Do you consider yourself average?

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

"Trying again to explain such elementary concepts to you would be a complete waste of time." again? there hasn't been a first time yet (hence, non-responsive). name-calling and insults are not explanations. you are just yelling. anyway, good luck with your progress, pilgrim.

Eileen Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

Republicans ruin the economy every time they get control for more than one term. Then a Democrat get to inherit the mess.

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

pilgrim, stop calling me names. i think you are the only person i have ever heard state that the soviets were progressive. or progressives. i suppose that some communists believe this, but i don't know of anyone else who does. you also argue that the soviets were liberal. that's a problematic argument as well.

weeslicket 5 years, 4 months ago

"Every liberal I know or have ever heard of is either a socialist/communist or a wannabe socialist/communist." i guess we have had very different experiences with "liberals" or even "progressives". i have met very few americans who believe in a "socialist" or "communist" worldview. americans tend to be very independent and individualistic. perhaps you have met different people than me. however, i have met many americans who have a profound sense of community. perhaps these differences in experiences are leading to some linguistic-political confusions.

since you have already grown your brain, i'm sure there is nothing much else to offer you at this time. (please do note that i responded to you with respect throughout)

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