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Dishonest tactics

August 18, 2009

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To the editor:

A price has to be paid. Lies, fear-mongering and pretended outrage against nonexistent health care reform proposals go beyond legitimate political debate. We need to be clear about that, as Mr. Obama has said repeatedly. Those responsible for it can’t be allowed a free pass under the claim that such tactics are included in the rough and tumble of democratic politics.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, Gov. Sarah Palin and now Rep. Todd Tiarht are using the same straw-man tactics employed in past health care debates to create confusion and discourage endorsement of deserving reform measures.

The disrupters of public meeting have nothing to lose but their self-respect. But the politicians who encourage them and repeat their lies should be made to pay a political price. We tolerate exaggeration and political posturing of all kinds during campaigns and discourage single-issue thinking. But for such bald-faced lying, exclusion from public office is an appropriate price. If the Republicans want to regain respect, they should be the first to discipline their members. A price has to be paid.

Comments

labmonkey 5 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Obama should first look at himself when complaining about misinformation.

And I thought that people like Cindy Sheehan sitting on W's lawn represented the majority of Americans. Why is it now that the protesters of Government run health care just a right-wing fringe?

jaywalker 5 years, 4 months ago

Boyoboy, Paul. That's an exceptionally poor LTE. "A price has to be paid" to open and close?!
Too many narrow-minded people. It's not nearly the same, but all these cries from the left that the opposition to the recent "healthcare reform" are ALL about unbased fear and empty rhetoric sounds alot like the "opposition" to integration back in the day.

"It can only be based on THIS......"

Yup, that's progressive alright.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

Robert Carlyle Byrd (born November 20, 1917) is the senior United States Senator from West Virginia. When I get coverage equivalent to his then we can talk

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"And I thought that people like Cindy Sheehan sitting on W's lawn represented the majority of Americans."

Ummm. . . . why did you ever think that? Most everybody treated her, after a few weeks, like the loon that she was.

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

"Dishonest tactics of the liberal left" please read LTE below

kansastruthteller 5 years, 4 months ago

Sure blame the Republicans, but the truth is it is the Democrats who also do not support this bill otherwise with a Democrat controlled Congress they would pass it. So maybe what you consider lies are not really lies, but the truth.

Blaming just the Republicans for the bill's failing is a bald-face lie. What is the price you have to pay for being caught lying?

devobrun 5 years, 4 months ago

"A price has to be paid. Lies, fear-mongering and pretended outrage against...."

Fill in the blank:

1) Paul says health-care. 2) Global Warming (CO2)) 3) obesity 4) H1N1 5) mercury in vaccines 6) video game addiction 7) alar 8) saccharine 9) autism 10) asbestos

Oh, heck, I could go on and on.
Generate a scare. Hype it out of proportion. Sell advertising. Get government money to fund research. Milk the scare for money and political power as far as it can go. Never really convince everybody of the problem.
Create arguments that degenerate into childishness. Become outraged that there is misinformation out there. Ultimately do nothing and the scare changes its nature or just fades away.

Don't worry Paul, this too shall pass.

cowboy 5 years, 4 months ago

Anyone have a problem with just eliminating the House of Representatives ? What a bunch of scalawags. You listen to them and just have to think , How stupid do you think we are ?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 4 months ago

WSJ article on why the O'dude is sinking in the polls. Here's the money quote: "Blaming a cabal of conspirators—a time-honored technique for leaders on the wrong side of public opinion—is paranoid and self-defeating. More importantly, it betrays a tin ear to the culture of most Americans—an independent, optimistic culture that is mistrustful of government nannying and intolerant of policies that mortgage our future."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574354383543314054.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 5 years, 4 months ago

"Fairchild and Andrea Zuercher, who wrote a guest column last week in support of ObamaCare, are activists with the far-left Lawrence Coalition for Peace & Justice."

Yes, we all know how evil it is to hope for, much less work for, communist ideas like "peace" and "justice." True patriotic Americans know that "war" and "injustice" are what truly make us great.

JohnBrown 5 years, 4 months ago

I'd like Todd Tihart to answer the question: "Have you ever met Doug Coe of The Family?

His single, oft repeated answer about The Family connections seems to be a bit of evasive word-smithing to me.

jaywalker 5 years, 4 months ago

"So did your Nazi President GW Bush."

Mind numbingly dumb hyperbole.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

I've long wondered how sane people could believe those who spew forth outrageous, over the top, easily punctured lies are credible sources of fact .... and then I remembered the LJW comment boards and the circus performers who entertain here so often to carry the water of one wingnut after another, each more batty than the last.

Too bad that when the country needed cool-headed, factual moderation of the Obama health plan all we could get was a retarded, diarrhea-mouthed Palin and certifiably insane screamers speaking in tongues about taking back the Constitution, some sort of Federal Reserve / swine flu inoculation / X-files conspiracy, wetbacks sent back with bullets in their head, and how socialistic foreigners (roughly 96% of the people on the earth) regularly kill off those of little value to society -- or something like that. It's hard to make sense when people scream in coded language that real Americans won't understand.

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

nazi president gwbush....should read Pol pot wannabe president george W. bush

Stu Clark 5 years, 4 months ago

Regardless of all the shouting here, it's clear to me that the current for-profit health insurance system sucks. Single payer, public option, co-ops or non-profits OK. Note that the Kansas legislature was smart enough to prohibit Blue Cross from going public in Kansas. California let it happen and my insurance costs have increased about 10% per year ever since.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

macabebe - I'm relieved to hear the screamers are getting screamed out. This is the Dennis Moore though who has received threats and can't safely meet in large public forums without a careful security screening, right?

Demonstrations probably are the worst forum to discuss a complex topic rationally even if all the participants are there in good faith. Unfortunately, comments from some of the most "moderate" of Republicans in recent days seem to reveal that no concession by Obama would be sufficient to convince them to vote for any bill on the table. The lure of defeating Obama and thereby "winning" is too attractive for those who learned their craft at the feet of the "genius" Karl Rove (all tactics, no strategy).

In happier news, the GOP seems to have abandoned a 50 year fight to demolish Medicare, a/k/a real socialized medicine! Now if they can just be convinced that Americans out of uniform deserve just as good government run health care as those in uniform! That's when, 2059, assuming the GOP survives another election cycle?

notajayhawk 5 years, 4 months ago

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus (Anonymous) says…

"Yes, we all know how evil it is to hope for, much less work for, communist ideas like “peace” and “justice.” "

Now tell us, Herr Klowne, how the Obama health plan brings about either of those.


CAclarks (Anonymous) says…

"Note that the Kansas legislature was smart enough to prohibit Blue Cross from going public in Kansas."

Actually, if I remember correctly, current HHS secretary - former governor - former insurance commissioner Sebelius' objection to the BCBS buyout had more to do with a reduction in reserves.


Jimo (Anonymous) says…

"I've long wondered how sane people could believe those who spew forth outrageous, over the top, easily punctured lies are credible sources of fact "

Yes, I too have wondered how so many gullible morons can believe what the president and Democratic-controlled congress are trying to spoon feed them.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

macabebe - I don't know where to even start. I'll just say there's about 3 words of truth in your entire post. Some statements are wholly lies. Who do you think is swallowing all that?

Confusing "Obamacare" (whatever that is a code word for in your mind) with socialized medicine just demonstrates that you understand neither the plan(s) in Congress nor how Medicare works. Pure ignorance - or more likely, hope that readers are ignorant enough to believe you (hence, the wacky "Government hands off my Medicare" signs).

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

August 19, 2009 poll, Public Policy Polling:

Do you think the government should stay out of Medicare? Yes ................................................................. 39% No ................................................................... 46% Not Sure.......................................................... 15%

Just how much more uninformed can you get?

Bob Hechlor 5 years, 4 months ago

The repubs continue to astro-turf, recruiting persons who are employees of these major insurance, healthcare and energy corporations to be bused in to pretend to be grassroots protesters. They are still paid as if they were working. These corporations are still spending 1.4 million dollars a day to lobby congress to defeat healthcare legislation. Now the corporations are putting out ads on TV pretending they are in favor of healthcare reform. They are attempting to have it both ways. They act like they are supporting efforts to make healthcare available to more people on the one hand and then on the other hand, they are paying people to protest against it. This is the leadership of the republican party doing this kind of bogus staging. So, in spite of that, we have several loyalists who continue to come here and defend this. If they are not getting paid, then they are seriously misguided. All of what I am reporting here has been confirmed. Any of you loyalists wish to defend this deception and if so, how can you not be part of it yourself?

P S continuing in this vein, we just learned that the coal industry sent out bogus letters from non-profit organizations, saying that they support "clean coal." This is fraud and is a crime. The investigation is beginning on this. Do you still want to publicly defend these crooks of the worst kind?

Bob Hechlor 5 years, 4 months ago

John Ensign, a classic example of republican hypocrisy. He has an affair with his best friend's wife and the best friend also works for him and he will not provide information about how money was spent which could indicate that he used taxpayer money to finance his escapades. While not cooperating, he now brings up how Bill Clinton should have resigned. And this, while he has no plan to resign whatsoever. Yah, repubs, you can pick em. The more crooked, the better. And he is one of the C street stars, along with Brownback and Tiahrt.

Satirical 5 years, 4 months ago

"Over the past week, President Obama has held three town-halls to make the case for his health-care plan. While he didn't say much that he hasn't said a thousand times before, his remarks did offer another explanation for the public's skepticism of ObamaCare. Namely, the President contradicts himself every other breath."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574360541357223298.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Bob Hechlor 5 years, 4 months ago

Satirical, You call this a contribution to this discussion? You put in a quote from an editorial, from a person who doesn't even provide a name and from the Rupert Murdoch rag. Also, just because you can't comprehend something doesn't mean the explainer is contradicting themself. Likely, you are just looking for contradictions because you sell insurance. Tough luck.

Bob Hechlor 5 years, 4 months ago

Here is a link to a bogus grass roots organization, "Energy Citizens," sponsored by the energy industry and "Freedom Works," the Dick Armey fake group. You know Dick Armey, who like Cheney, lies for a living.

These groups are going to "March on Washington." It is not enough to lobby at a mill and 1/2 a day. They have to bus people in as well. (employees) Then for 10 grand they can give a speech. Sound like a grassroots deal to you?

Bob Hechlor 5 years, 4 months ago

Several ad agencies and some politicians got together and threw a repub "protest." They are saying, "we will put those peasants back in their place." If we continue to control healthcare and energy, we can suck them dry.

Bob Hechlor 5 years, 4 months ago

See, when you have so much money, you can spend it on deceiving people so that you can make even more money. Nice work if you can get it.

Eileen Jones 5 years, 4 months ago

If those against reform have good arguments and valid points, why don't they just argue them?

They resort to lies, fear, racism, bigotry, intimidation, interruption, suppression of other viewpoints, and violence because that is a substitute for a real debate which they would not win.

I am not sure the sheep know it, but the ones organizing and inciting these behavior do know it.

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