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Kansas senators threaten action over moving Guantanamo detainees to Leavenworth

Kansas leaders angry that questions about detainees aren’t being answered

August 6, 2009, 11:51 a.m. Updated August 6, 2009, 4:49 p.m.

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U.S. Sens. Sam Brownback and Pat Roberts on Thursday sought to block a number of President Obama’s government appointments because of reports that Obama is considering putting Guantanamo Bay detainees in Fort Leavenworth.

The two senators, both Republicans, oppose moving foreign terrorist suspects to Fort Leavenworth, and expressed frustration that the Obama administration will not address their questions.

“It really irritates me,” Brownback said, adding he was tired of rumors about the issue and leaks from the administration without being consulted. “This is no way to run a government,” he said.

In January, Obama signed an executive order, promising to close the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility by the end of 2009.

Last weekend, reports said plans to bring Guantanamo inmates to the U.S. focused on two sites -- Fort Leavenworth, home of the military’s only maximum security prison, and a maximum security prison in Standish, Mich.

Both Roberts and Brownback said such a move could threaten the mission of Fort Leavenworth, which includes the Command and General Staff College.

The college trains military leaders from the U.S. and around the world. Brownback said the governments of Jordan, Pakistan and Egypt have said they would not send trainees to Fort Leavenworth if terrorist suspects were housed there.

Roberts said the fort is the “intellectual center” of the U.S. Army. Incarcerating the “100 worst of the worst” terrorists there would put the fort at risk and possibly the development of future military schools and operations in Leavenworth, he said.

Obama has said Guantanamo needs to be closed because detention of prisoners there for years without trial has been detrimental to U.S. foreign policy.

“There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America's strongest currency in the world,” Obama said in a recent speech. “Instead of building a durable framework for the struggle against al Qaeda that drew upon our deeply held values and traditions, our government was defending positions that undermined the rule of law. In fact, part of the rationale for establishing Guantanamo in the first place was the misplaced notion that a prison there would be beyond the law -- a proposition that the Supreme Court soundly rejected.”

But Brownback and Roberts said Guantanamo Bay should remain in operation. Roberts said prisoners there had access to better health care there than people in many American communities.

The senators said they have put legislative holds on approximately 10 Obama appointees to senior positions in the departments of defense and justice, the two departments that are dealing with the detainee issue.

The senators have called for a face-to-face meeting with top officials in the defense and justice departments and have said the holds, which would delay Senate consideration of those appointees, could last indefinitely.

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

kathy915, bet you saw that show on Fox. The fairly unbalanced channel.

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kathy915 4 years, 8 months ago

Gosh I didn't know any Kansans were this stupid about having terriosts in their own backyard. You are either Obama supporters (and that explains eveything) or you just don't watch the news. Those terriorists indoctrinate the other people that are in jail with them. Then they get out after they are indoctrinated into Radical Islam they start plots agains the USA. Saw it on TV awhile back about one like that. So if you are so stupid then let them come live at your house and be with your family.

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

jimincountry LMAO at you and your pathetic thought process

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cowboy 4 years, 8 months ago

Seems to me I recall these two knuckleheads as being major flag wavers in the invasion of Iraq and that Roberts was one of the key intelligence blockers for Bush et al. Well boys you reap what you sow.

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Mixolydian 4 years, 8 months ago

Every single Democrat in the Kansas House and Senate, not to mention the last two Democrat Governors are likewise opposed to this move.

Here's a solution, don't move them from Cuba, they're perfectly fine down there.

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UfoPilot 4 years, 8 months ago

It's not the ones inside a prison that is the potential problem. It's their terrorist friends that might want to try to break them out or kill some school children as an attention getter. It makes EVERYONE in KANSAS a TARGET.

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puddleglum 4 years, 8 months ago

hey 8 ball...Im a politician from ks and i like this move....

as bushy said: "bring 'em on!"

lets bring those satanists here...they can shop at wal-mart and buy junky chinese crap like the rest of us

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8ball 4 years, 8 months ago

i have not heard of one politician from ks,be it rep or dem. in favor of this move

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ASBESTOS 4 years, 8 months ago

"Johnson Atoll would be a fine place to keep them. "

Nothing out there anymore.

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opinion 4 years, 8 months ago

I do believe Former Gov. Sebelius was also against the move. Does that make her unpatriotic and a fearmongerer?

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bronze 4 years, 8 months ago

really they both should also be locked up there.

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bronze 4 years, 8 months ago

Brownshirt, yeah he is 'fully informed' by the Pentagon, sure sure.

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bronze 4 years, 8 months ago

what are the RepubliKlans scared of?

Pat Roberts says he reads all of those intelligence reports, should he be 'smarter' by now?

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

jimincountry, suffered from paranoia long? Or just since you registered as a Republican?

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jimincountry 4 years, 8 months ago

Obama's spies are alive and well on LJW posts...........probably reporting all of us to the whitehouse.

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logicsound09 4 years, 8 months ago

I coulda sworn that Leavenworth had a supermax....

Regarding comparative ease of access to Gitmo and Leavenworth, it might be easier for your everyday American citizen to get to Leavenworth, but I'm not sure the same holds true for an alien from a foreign country. I would think it much easier to get into Cuba than the United States, but that is largely an intellectual/philosophical argument.

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akuna 4 years, 8 months ago

Roberts and Brownback are proving that they are unpatriotic Americans. Boo to both of them.

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Practicality 4 years, 8 months ago

logicsound09,

As someone who has spent a great deal of time working in some of our nations correctional facilities, I can agree that, from a security standpoint, the risk is not any greater to house terrorists than anyone else. If an incident occurs in the prison, it will be contained and eventually subdued. The risk to the staff and other inmates is the same as with all the other scumbags in there, in my opionion. As you pointed out, the only real risk comes from the outside. There is a huge difference between a prison in Leavenworth and Gitmo. Civilans are not able to drive right up to Gitmo, whereas in Leavenworth, anyone can get close. That being said, I am not against them being housed in Kansas.

P.S., Leavenworth does not currently have a Supermax prison. It houses the USDB, Leavenworth Peniteniary (A Level 5 Federal Security Prison) Lansing Correctional Facility, and a Private Prison. I know they are building on the USDB, and it might be a supermax when they are finished (I don't know if that is the intention), but none of the other facilities are considered a Supermax.

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autie 4 years, 8 months ago

Another question. What is more dangerous for Kansas, detainees in a high security federal prison or the electricity machine in Burlington? If either suffers a catastrophic failure of any form, which would cause the most harm?

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

Baseless fear mongering is a Republican trademark. Probably have it copyrighted.

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autie 4 years, 8 months ago

I say a round of applause for logicsound09. Well said. Well said.

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

roberts & brownback 2 pathetic individuals but good job that you keep electing kansass "Ks as hypocritical as you think " LMAO

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logicsound09 4 years, 8 months ago

Wow, if the voters here in Kansas actually voted based on ideas and results rather than the cute little letter next to a candidate's name, these two clowns would be taking a risk by showing everyone what spineless, partisan nimbys they are.

I'm really failing to see the basis for the total lack of confidence in the supermax we have in Leavenworth. If housing the suspected terrorists creates a target for unimprisoned terrorists to attack, then why haven't they done it at Gitmo, a base that isn't protected in the confines of U.S. borders?

This is all baseless fearmongering from a couple of buffoons who are devoid of original thought.

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couranna1 4 years, 8 months ago

why are the kansas senators whining so much They backed bushco and all the illegal things they were doing in the war and the torture that happened there They need to STFU and allow them here The phoniness of these jerks os overwhelming and repugnant Put you money and prison where your overloaded pompous arrogant and ignorant mouths are Brownback you are one disgusting human being

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

Johnson Atoll would also be a good place to put the previous administration and all their congressional enables. Prime examples being Roberts and Brownback.

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hipper_than_hip 4 years, 8 months ago

Johnson Atoll would be a fine place to keep them.

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Alia Ahmed 4 years, 8 months ago

Two states (Colorado and Indiana) housed our very own home grown terrorist, Timothy McVeigh, prior to his execution and seemed to manage it okay.

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KansasVoter 4 years, 8 months ago

The government either needs to try these men and boys in a court of law (and yes, they are holding boys as young as 12 at Gitmo) or let them go. If they're guilty of something it should be easy to convict them. If they're not guilty of anything they should be freed and reimbursed for their false imprisonment. This is America, and the government can't decide to ignore the law when those in power choose to.

And again, what are you republicans so scared of? I still haven't heard a legitimate reason for why you are so scared.

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pace 4 years, 8 months ago

maybe the should take a different position than putting their tail between their legs and letting the GOP paint their backs yellow.

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GruttePier 4 years, 8 months ago

I will keep them in my basement for a mere 1million dollars a year.

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farfle 4 years, 8 months ago

Don't move anybody until they get their day in court. Time for the USA to stop acting like a Banana Republic.

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yankeevet 4 years, 8 months ago

Would the county jail hole them??

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morganlefay 4 years, 8 months ago

Okay, let's house them here in Lawrence instead of LV and see if some of you would change your tune then!

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uncleandyt 4 years, 8 months ago

Innocent until proven guilty Don't forget to think .

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autie 4 years, 8 months ago

I think they are afraid of the damage if other terrorist try to break into the prison. Not that breaking into a prison is such a good idea...and if that's the fear, why haven't the terrorist tried some nonsense at Gitmo?

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jimincountry 4 years, 8 months ago

OB(fucator)AMA just wants to keep everybody guessing/upset about something so that his subversives aren't detected in other USA undermining activities.

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jimmyjms 4 years, 8 months ago

"bringing them into the U.S. compromises our National Defense."

Um, how? Are you seriously saying that our military/law enforcement officers are unable to house these people?

"I don't get it. Why would anyone want terrorists to be kept in their own backyard?! "

They have to go somewhere. We arrested them (most haven't been charged), so we got to put 'em somewhere.

Buncha babies.

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morganlefay 4 years, 8 months ago

I don't get it. Why would anyone want terrorists to be kept in their own backyard?! I'm not a republican, but I hope these senators do put their foot down to make sure the prisoners are not sent here!

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macon47 4 years, 8 months ago

obama wants to take care of the terrorists but let all of the tax paying old people just go off in a corner an die

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

Sam, the one who spent 2 years running for president and got approximately .0001% of primary vote. And he thinks he's relevant in the scheme of things in DC.

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Paul R Getto 4 years, 8 months ago

Waaaaaaaaaaa.........if Senators Sam's this much of a crybaby and wants to hold his breath until he turns blue, so be it. Good grief!

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logrithmic 4 years, 8 months ago

These are the same rightwingers that have no problem bringing a bioweapons facility into the state to experiment on microorganisms that, if released on purpose or accidentally, could substantially harm agri-business, livestock, and the citizens of the State of Kansas.

Here's more information on the bioweapons lab, being pushed by Democrap John Carlin as well, and its danger to Kansans:

http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-5079-0-13-13--.html

God bless God!

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christie 4 years, 8 months ago

Seriously, the GOP has no clout. Please go away and preach family values while you are having affairs with your interns.

Still this Liberal wonders why these people have not been tried, found innocent or guilty, and if guilty, shot and buried with their heads facing south.

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Daniel Speicher 4 years, 8 months ago

Maybe I'm missing something... Does Obama want to give them condos in Leavenworth and a national pardon? I could have sworn the proposal was to put them in one of the nation's heaviest-guarded facilities. If I'm right about the proposal... I don't really see how this is a threat to national or state-side security. Can someone explain that to me? I must be having a "slow" day.

--Danny Speicher

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UfoPilot 4 years, 8 months ago

Good idea, Senators. Keep important justice department >positions open

Like the Dems did to Bush?

(and compromise our national defense)

bringing them into the U.S. compromises our National Defense.

so that you can throw a hissy fit about detainees.

When is concern about YOUR safety, throwing a "hissy fit"?

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beobachter 4 years, 8 months ago

2 of the most useless Senators there trying to prove they shouldn't be there. And 1 of them wanting to be Kansas governor. Can Kansas be made to look more backward. But the bright side is, the right can use them as proof evolution doesn't exist.

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uofk03 4 years, 8 months ago

Good idea, Senators. Keep important justice department positions open (and compromise our national defense) so that you can throw a hissy fit about detainees.

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KansasVoter 4 years, 8 months ago

What are republicans so scared of?

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