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September 18, 2008

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To the editor:

WHOA!!! Let's see: $14.5 million for a new high school football stadium. My math tells me that's about $1,000 per student or about $20,000 per teacher. Now if we could raise teacher salaries by $2,000 per year for the next 10 years what kind of teachers could we attract?

Now I like football a little less than the next guy but my son's education is very important to me - and I don't really like what he is getting now! If the school board can find a way to finance a new stadium, then they had better find a creative way to finance our children's education. And then there is the school board president's comment that the decision of the City Commission is more about code compliance than what's good for the neighborhood.

As a member of the Centennial community, I represent 50-year homeowners that have invested their lives in the tranquility of this neighborhood. Don't play football, or tennis, in our front yards without asking!

Kent VanHoesen,
Lawrence

Comments

Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

justfornow (Anonymous) says:Fast forward 11 years:..We have a bunch of great football and baseball players, but a bunch of retards running our Country. Enjoy.*******The retards will be the non-athletes."In a comprehensive, statewide study of the academic performance of high school student-athletes inNorth Carolina over a three-year period, the North Carolina High School Athletic Association foundsignificant differences between athletes and non-athletes. Five criteria were used, including gradepointaverage, attendance rate, discipline referrals, dropout rate and graduation rate, for the 1994-95 academic year."Athletes Non-athletesGrade-point average 2.86 1.96Average number ofabsences per 180-dayschool year 6.52 days 12.57 daysDiscipline referrals 30.51% 40.29%Dropout rate 0.7% 8.98%Graduation rate 99.56% 94.66%The table doesn't transfer well. It's part of this:http://www.osaa.org/osaainfo/CaseForHSActivities.pdf

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spiderman 5 years, 7 months ago

Pearson/Vangent call center now cheaper than China...China Mastercard/Visa call center coming soon.

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spiderman 5 years, 7 months ago

Bracciano has good answer.Chinese exchange program with Confucian Institute -teach Chinese sports!

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justfornow 5 years, 7 months ago

Fast forward 11 years.....We have a bunch of great football and baseball players, but a bunch of retards running our Country. Enjoy.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

It is a paradise and without the roundabouts, the traffic circles, the neighborhood groups, the cheap loans handed out to public officials, the Chamber of Commerce bickering amongst themselves, the Chamber having leadership course, but producing no leaders, the roads in constant disrepair and more money is needed, the need for overpriced construction of high schools, no parking meters, no cable tv, and isn't that something Morton county is a nice place. Maybe it is time Lawrence took a lesson from these western kansas counties or even the southeastern counties. All of the crap funded in Lawrence does not make it Pork Tenderloin, it is still a pig without lipstick. Pigs have always been used to illustrate society. Don't you recall the famous Caldicott Award for books, the one about the pig? I suspect even north of Morton County around Stevens county, there is some real landed gentry. Longtime gentry in that area. Those folks out west don't think too much of the easterner's, well as far east as Flaw on the Kaw. Now KU got some investments in Morton County. Wonder how much they put back into the county or the surrounding towns, or are they on the take there as well. Englighten me, 'not_holroyd" , you folks in Morton County benefitting from the profts hauled out of your county by the KUEndowment association?

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not_holroyd 5 years, 7 months ago

You think we are richer than we are Hawk......come on out...you would be landed gentry out here. You could run for City Commission and the School Board at the same time even. A kingdom for you to run. Paradise.

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budwhysir 5 years, 7 months ago

I think everyone is missing the point. Anyone but me need another beer here? Where would they be without sports? And if this money wasnt spent on this we would not have overpaid athletes and underpaid teachers. If you see a deep hole, dont make it bigger, it will only hurt when you finaly fall in

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

humblecommentator, our country has a sports sickness, but don't fret : DEPRESSION 2010

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humblecommentator 5 years, 7 months ago

whatever the merits of this stadium, there is no doubt that as a society we have a sports sickness. id frankly don't undeerstand the obsessions wit it

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

But Morton county has OIL, and money they don't need ONA and ELIA, and Brookcreek and the likes of the other pseudo "neighborhood" groups.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

Seaboard in Morton County? I thought they were in Hooker, OKlahoma. Now that's a fine place, Hooker. Even Hooker is smart enough to market from their Chamber Offices, a board game, called Hookernopoly. Why can't our chamber be that inventive. And Hooker has a mascot, the Horny Toads, Lawrence doesn't even have a mascot, the city doesn't, does it?What's the population of Morton County? That Seward county, now it is becoming as blighted as the target neighborhoods in Lawrence are. The East Lawrence and that pesky ONA(Obnoxious Neighborhood Association)You sure those pigs aren't looking for a lot of lipstick and a little love? Either way, a pig is a pig and we in Lawrence are not getting the Pork Tenderloin from our local government, only the butt shoulder, the cold shoulder when it comes to repairing streets and potholes. Even pot roast is easier to fix than a pothole in Lawrence.

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not_holroyd 5 years, 7 months ago

Come on out here to Morton County Kansas, Hawk.No LHS, no roundabouts, no CDBG money, no neighborhood development programs, no Eastern Industrial Park, no train station preservationists, no fountains on campus, heck...no campus, no chancellor, no big-shot publisher, no chamber of commerce CEO, no homeless shelter, no School of Social Welfare, no university students, no T, no parking meters to complain about. No 2020 plan. Heck, I'm not sure we even have zoning. And we get two time zones of broadcast stations with basic cable so you don't even need one of those fancy city vcrs to watch a show twice!Seaboard farms has a major operation out of here. Tens of thousands of pigs looking for a little lipstick and love. Sounds like you are the man. Bring your viagra.Sell that underappraised-undertaxed property you have next to the University and move out here and enjoy life without complaining.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

bus them out of the inner city or bus them in. That is what is being done now. Wait until next year when the real bussing starts. There are going to be some surprised parents, andini, not related to houdini.are back on the night shift again "not_holroyd". my you have a hectic schedule. learning to multi task from all of those former chamber of commerce duties you performed in Oberlin and Wakeeny.Ask Igby about the pig. Later! Hawk busy trying to get wings ready to fly, WD40 works miracles .

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not_holroyd 5 years, 7 months ago

Since Hawk hasn't been close to touching anything wearing lipstick for several decades, I say let he him get it anyway he can....a pig is probably a good solution for him. He is obviously obsessing about it.

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spiderman 5 years, 7 months ago

you all need to go to the school board meeting on mondayand ask them - show me the money !

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paavopetie 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't have time to research the numbers, but fewer and fewer kids are competing in high school sports these days. Which is a crying shame because athletics teaches character, keeps children physically fit, and a myriad of other positive outcomes. Athletics is essentially an extension of the classroom.But back to my point, there are less kids in high school athletics today than twenty years ago. Some just want the after school job so they can buy a car or the latest and greatest cell phone. Others are just downright lazy and don't want to do anything after school. These are the kids who wind up going to JCCC to take a few art classes because they don't know what they want to do with their lives.Athletics above all should emphasis goal-setting. The future leaders of our world need that trait if they are to ever become our leaders. Athletics deserves our funding.And you're trying to tell me that if we offer $34k a year over $32k a year for a teacher that will really make a difference (attracting far superior teachers)?

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Andini 5 years, 7 months ago

hawkperchedatriverfront (Anonymous) says: Andini, no it was not in the wrong place when it was built. But that does not give it legitimacy to remain where it is. Think about it. The same goes for south Jr. High and Central, both would have been better served by having the two combined and at LHS location. NOne of this stadium, parking, blah and blah going on. A new high school east of town should have been the plan instead of a 30 million dollar south and now gazillons of millions dumped into LHS. The edge of town now is east and southeast/------So with this thinking then.....Should every inner city school be moved to the outskirts? That means In Chicago you'd be bused miles.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

Andini, no it was not in the wrong place when it was built. But that does not give it legitimacy to remain where it is. Think about it. The same goes for south Jr. High and Central, both would have been better served by having the two combined and at LHS location. NOne of this stadium, parking, blah and blah going on. A new high school east of town should have been the plan instead of a 30 million dollar south and now gazillons of millions dumped into LHS. The edge of town now is east and southeast/Lawrence is truly in a dumb mode.Lipstick on a pig would be Farha and his group putting a fancy new house in the middle of the barnyard on Indiana Street. My this town has so many pigs needed a makeover from Mary Kay.Igby, I dont know about the person you referred to as needing lipstick, but I do know that our commission does a lot of stuff that is making them look underhanded , at least undecided in most cases.I am more interested in how the pig is baked. Does it turn out virginia ham style or black forest or just "old time ham"The pig can be baked and butchered many ways. Sadly, Lawrence is not the recipient of Pork Loin. We are getting daily a taste of pork shoulder or would that be "cold shoulder" from our leaders.

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spiderman 5 years, 7 months ago

sorry bowhunter --but they did NOT have the zoning approval for a stadium unless they also provide the appropriate parking.they circumvented zoning interpretation and got this approval without adequate parking.

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igby 5 years, 7 months ago

I was cleaning out this apartment last year and found a video tape copy of the movie "Deliverance", in case anyone in the Lawrence High, residential area wants to view the movie. You may need to get in touch with reality or who's really runs the school board.

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igby 5 years, 7 months ago

Hawk:Lipstick on our pig?you Were you referring to "Hack", right?

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Andini 5 years, 7 months ago

Hawk,Was LHS in the wrong place when it was first built? It was on the edge of town then. 23rd street was a dirt road then too.Andini

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

jerk patrol you and "not_holroyd" must be married both seem fascinated with my two inch adapter. should I put Mary Kay on it or Revlon.LHS is still in the wrong place. A pig in a poke is what LHS is and Centennial neighborhood is an old area with a paper bag over it, to hide it's worn out status.

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 7 months ago

I can't wait to read the letters from the whiners...Oh my.. the lights are too bright... they come thru my windows... I'm suffering. Please stop... just like the whiners from Kasold Avenue.Let them build a nice stadium and enjoy the games.... and no, the traffic is not going to be like a 'KU game... LHS will not pull 50K into that stadium... it'll be just like ANY other afternoon... perhaps less people since not all students go to the games.

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Pilgrim 5 years, 7 months ago

Looks like the gym class butterballs are out in force today.

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mom_of_three 5 years, 7 months ago

Come on people. Sports will be played there, what, maybe 5 or 6 months out of the year. Winter sports are indoors. But there is a need for a football stadium. Haskell is old, out of date, and they need to update it, and not with high school funds. It wasn't done right to begin with, but the school board is trying to change it. We are probably one or the only school where fans have to drive to different sports around town to watch high school events. Olathe has a great shared facility, and it would be great if they would have thought of it when they built FSHS, but they didn't. High school football played near the school...hhmm....what a concept...

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 7 months ago

I think Hawk needs more lipstick on his two-inch adapter.

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BigAl 5 years, 7 months ago

jafs, you are correct. But the facts are that sports and everything that goes with sports is part of the school experience. And money IS spent first on education. That is why there is a need for new sports facilities in this town. Speaking of extremes, you and others suggest that there is NEVER a need for money to be spent on sports. TheYetiSpeaks is right on.

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hawkperchedatriverfront 5 years, 7 months ago

The soccer moms in Johnson county rule. Our school needs lipstick on our pig, USD 497. LHS is in the wrong place, now and forever.Money down the drain, but will benefit KU in about 20 years.

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TheYetiSpeaks 5 years, 7 months ago

You have to love the implication that someone who likes sports is somehow a thoughtless drone who simply follows the leader attempting to "fit in", made by posters such as tonythetiger. I mean, it could not be that we actually, I don't know, ENJOYED sports and watching them. What a silly thing to say. It's funny, I don't remember degrading the people who did not like the sports at school. In fact, I don't remember even trying to identify them. You infer that all people who like sports and go to sporting events are sheep. Are you not trying to "fit in" to this little subculture of people who like to bash sports and act all snooty? If not, then you are doing a fine job of accidentally doing just that. I think its great that you wanted to spend all your time at college avoiding the sports. There's nothing wrong with burying your face in the books for 4 years. But I met a lot of people and enjoyed some great times with friends at sporting events that I will remember fondly for the rest of my life. I guess those times will just seem more important to me when I come to the end of my days. I feel sad for you.

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jafs 5 years, 7 months ago

Big Al,I think that's what called "reductio ad absurdum" - if you take any argument and continue it to an extreme, it becomes absurd.The point is that education is the primary function of our schools, and that resources should be spent first on educating our children.And, by the way, as far as I'm concerned, much on your list is not essential.

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BigAl 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes, let's build perfectly clean metal buildings with no character, charm or civic pride. We don't need sports, band, cheerleaders, cheering sections, school colors, sportsmanship or school spirit. If it isn't 100% totally directed to the teacher or classroom, we don't need it. No more "field trips" "senior trips" "band trips" "school plays" or anything that might divert any funds from teachers or classrooms.

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Keith 5 years, 7 months ago

"How arrogant of them to utilize their OWN private property as they see fit: That goes against all of the laws, rules, and regulations of that entire neighborhood I'm sure."News Flash: The school district is a PUBLIC entity, they don't have any private property, it belongs to all of us.

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jerk_patrol 5 years, 7 months ago

"And then there is the school board president's comment that the decision of the City Commission is more about code compliance than what's good for the neighborhood."Isn't that the same point that most of the city commissioners made?

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tonythetiger 5 years, 7 months ago

You know, I can see them wanting a new facility but I cannot see why it is always about sports. I think that an investment in our children's future is wise. I think we need new facilities to educate them in and I absolutely think it is important. But why not give them an education in materials and processes or a debate forum or a media room or make it on a learning process where they have a say in what they want to learn. High school was a really difficult time for me. I know you don't care personally, however I do not think emphasis should be on football. I think we should encourage healthy habits but I think we should make them more all encompassing.When I went to high school they talked of splitting the LHS into two high schools and they did not want to do it because of the football team. Now they want to build a new stadium and I suppose that is probably about time. I am sure Haskell stadium has about had it after the last 20 years. I just think it is a shame that we have to invest in things I think are so trivial. I think I went to one high school football game the entire time I was in high school and I think that is about how important it was to me. Not at all.

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commuter 5 years, 7 months ago

Ken- you actually are missing the point. The money for the stadium has to come from the capital outlay budget, which means other projects will suffer due to help pay for the stadium unless they do some "creative" financing.My guess, in a year or so the board will have another bond issue to pay for the elementary problems that can not be addressed due to the current capital outlay budget being spent.To me, if the district wants a stadium, go out and do a bond issue instead of trying to use current capital outlay money and money left over from a previous bond issue to fund it.By doing this I would have thought the board was acting in the best interests of all Lawrence. Right now I can not vote for any school bond issue because both the Board and the admin has lost my trust. Too many bait and switch tactics from both.

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labmonkey 5 years, 7 months ago

But why isn't money spent on education for our children's future instead of sports? Put some field turf on Haskell Stadium and save millions. Why not put money into every student's future instead of the one student in the next 20 years who might make it to a professional team? Although I thought it a crock when Minnesota voted him in, there was one thing I liked that Jessie Ventura said when he said that he would sign a bill allowing taxpayer money for new professional sports stadiums when people started complaining about schools being 20 years out of date.Lawrence, demand that you spend that money teaching your kids, not on pretty new facilities.

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Bowhunter99 5 years, 7 months ago

I'm sorry to hear they just snuck up a WHOLE entire High School in your front yard without asking.... How arrogant of them to utilize their OWN private property as they see fit... That goes against all of the laws, rules, and regulations of that entire neighborhood I'm sure.

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tonythetiger 5 years, 7 months ago

That's okay. That is all the collegiate effort has to offer as well. It is almost assured that if you don't go watch all the major sports for your school and bow down to the mainstream of thought and behavior, you won't even get a degree.I tried to spend my spare time as I wanted while attending college and I just could not seem to. It seems that you might as well join a fraternity as well because they want to tell you want to think, what to do, who to be and how to do it and who you sleep with even. It is all arranged and hardly for your benefit. Be willing to sacrifice your independent spirit at the admissions door.

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