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September 17, 2008

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To the editor:

I was unable to attend the Dole Institute program "POTUS44 - The Next President of the United States" last Wednesday so only had the article in the Journal-World for highlights of the event. As I was reading the article, I wished I had been able to make it - until I read the last paragraph.

I was deeply offended by the quote from Ray Strother that because Obama does not have a substantial lead in the election, "what you have is ingrained racism."

Excuse me for having the intelligence to assess the candidates on their beliefs, values, knowledge and experience. Just because everything is not perfect does not mean we must elect a Democrat for president at all costs no matter who he is, what he believes in or what his intentions are for our country!

If I felt Obama was the right person for the job he would get my vote no matter what his gender or race. However, his lack of experience does concern me and obviously a lot of other Americans. Shame on you, Ray Strother, for playing the race card!

Kathe Clark,
McLouth

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triplegoddess13 6 years, 1 month ago

I count myself as a liberal most of the time and can't stand when people pull out the race card. Don't blame this on 'liberals'. That's just as typical as blaming it on race or those nasty republicans.

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monkeyhawk 6 years, 1 month ago

Why is it that some have to cover themselves for their perceived possible conclusions that may conflict with their own opinions, (such as global warming turning into climate change)?? Not much difference between that and Obama's loss being due to racism. When a person feels way too strongly for their cause, I guess they must assuage their psyche with some comfort food in the event of crushing blows to their "wisdom".The great thing about America is that we are allowed the freedom to vote. It is, for many of us, our only voice. So what if vote against a certain candidate is based on criteria that offends some? I wonder if Strother (or anyone for that matter) actually believes that his proclamation will have any affect on any individual's thinking? I suppose it could be said of anyone who votes for BO is sexist. It really doesn't matter, and anyone who thinks that their personal opinions will change the minds of the voting public are deluded at best.

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mom_of_three 6 years, 1 month ago

Yes, there will be Americans, much of them older like my parents and grandparents, who will not be able to see past Obama's skin color. It's a fact that race, or the color of his skin, will be a factor, as it is probably the same that some won't vote republican, because they never want to see a woman in position of authority.

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 1 month ago

"Hmmm. Didn't Barack Obama just get done scolding John McCain over "dishonorable" attacks? Maybe he should save his criticisms for his surrogates, except that they're parroting The One in his own baseless smears. In Iowa today, Kathleen Sebelius continued the Obama tradition of calling Republicans racists, and the other Obama tradition of producing absolutely no evidence for the allegation: Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius accused Republicans on Tuesday of injecting race into the presidential campaign, arguing that they are using "code language" to convince Midwesterners that Democrat Barack Obama is different from them. "Have any of you noticed that Barack Obama is part African-American?" Sebelius asked with sarcasm. "(Republicans) are not going to go lightly into the darkness." Sebelius was responding to a question from the audience at the Iowa City Public Library about the tenacity of Democrats and whether they would fight for victory as hard as Republicans in the closing weeks of the election. She did not elaborate on her comment.Well, they don't usually elaborate, because they don't have any evidence of it. It's a smear, and has been shown thus by the Washington Post and ABC News during the summer. And while Obama whines about McCain's supposed lies, the purveyor of Hope and Change has been throwing mud at McCain ever since locking up the nomination.There is nothing more dishonorable in politics than calling opponents "racists" without evidence. It not only smears people who have tried to keep race out of the election, it is a McCarthyite tactic to silence critics. It reveals in another fashion Obama's Nixonian tendencies in reacting to any sort of criticism at all - shouting it down, smearing journalists doing their jobs, and branding any dissent from the One's revealed wisdom as based on hate rather than genuine opposition to statist policies.Kathleen Sebelius has decided to enable that kind of McCarthyism and mudslinging, without having the courage to provide an iota of evidence for it. Perhaps Obama should have chosen her for a running mate; they appear to have the same perspective and philosophy, as well as sharing an ethical standard so low as to be invisible to the naked eye."http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/16/sebelius-say-did-you-know-republicans-are-racists/

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just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 6 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, but the Republicans put up a weak candidate in McCain, who most Republicans didn't even like. He had to pick an unknown, who is even more inexperienced than Obama, just to inject some "excitement" into his campaign, knowing full well that despite all the complaints about Obama's "celebrity," the Republican base is much more personality-focused, and much less issue-focused than most other voters. And since she has been nominated, she has done little more than lie and exaggerate about her record, avoiding any substantial discussion on issue or policies-- likely because she's incapable of doing so.That doesn't mean that everyone who votes for someone besides Obama is racist-- but you are extremely naive if you think that racism doesn't still play a very large role in US politics and elections.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Bozo does not seem to understand a governor of a state has more experience than a 345 day senator...but that is OK. Completely overlooking the fact that democrats are the ones that bring up race, talk about barnyard animals, giving tax cuts to persons that don't pay taxes, and lose track of the fact they are losing in the polls. So keep hanging on to all of that democrats...seems to be working for you. LOL!

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RobertMarble 6 years, 1 month ago

of course there is a percentage of people out there with racist viewpoints; that will never completely go away unfortunately. but what the libs fail to understand is that the racism goes both ways. the people who vote for hussein obama simply because he IS black are being just as racist as those who don't vote for him for the same reason- the two groups just have different goals. I've heard many racist comments during this process, but the vast majority have been from the obama camp. It's easy enough to read the many postings on here referring to mccain as "just another old white man"; that comment alone is on here quite frequently and is far more racist than the vast majority of postings against obama. the libs need to look to themselves if they want to get past this issue.

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jafs 6 years, 1 month ago

Playing the "race" card is indeed offensive.However, does anyone really believe that race isn't a factor in this election?I would think that race, gender, and age are all at play as part of most folks voting decisions.It may be unfair, or unfortunate, but I think that's just the way it is.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Marion Lynn in Obama's book he states he is half white and half black. He said he chooses to embrace is blackness. So it is Barracks choice to be black. He actually is a mulatto.

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1029 6 years, 1 month ago

Whoa, robertmarble.... looks like you were offended. I wonder why.....hmmmm....Sure, some blacks likely have an ingrained racism against whites. I never denied this in my post or even touched on the subject. It is not something that I ever studied extensively."a rational person would re-evaluate their position upon noticing people like you on their side." I would hope that a "rational" person would not feel that they have such a weak position that it needed to be re-evaluated based on seeing the positions of others who were "on their side". What about people like Ann Coulter? Geez, by this logic it is a wonder that republicans still exist with people like that on their side. There are crazies on the far left, also. Think, robertmarble, think. That was really, really stupid.Glad I went back to the same story twice or I would have missed this bit of genius from you, robertmarble.

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slang4d 6 years, 1 month ago

No mention of the sexism card? The Republicans have been pulling that out enough. Most of us don't care if Palin is a woman. She's Dan Quayle II and dumb is dumb, regardless of gender.I don't think race is a factor because people with those issues are probably Republicans (I am NOT saying ALL republicans are racist). I have a bigoted grandfather in Florida that would never (under any circumstances!) vote for a non-white man or any woman. He still calls adult black men "boy." He's brags about his ancestors hanging African-Americans...he is actually proud of his hate. However, he's also a promise-keeper, an evangelist and card-carrying NRA member. Regardless of race, he wouldn't vote for a Democrat.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

logicsound04 Perhaps you could give us a link with all of the executive decisions by Obama....I know I would love to see it. But you see he never was an executive decision maker. Even in the Senate as a one term senator he missed more days of work than he attended. Most get fired for a record like that. Mulatto: as defined in a dictionary...is not an offensive term and I will not assume responsibility for how you chose to respond. Dictionary: great book should get one.Main Entry: Pronunciation: mÉ-&&char114&& la-(&&char114&&)tÅ, muÌ-, myuÌ-, -&&char114&& lä- Function: noun 1 : the first-generation offspring of a black person and a white person 2 : a person of mixed white and black ancestry

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David Omar 6 years, 1 month ago

I disagree with you in part, Invictus, because race and gender have no place in an election. What does matter is his core beliefs in what is good for America, leadership skills, Honesty and above all integrity. Do Mc Cain and Palin have those traits? Does Obama and Biden? That is what is important about a campaign. No candidate will have the perfect plan for anything especially health care and the economy, but they can give their opinions and ideas. The congress will take those ideas if they are elected and tear them apart and come back with a plan that is totally different. That is the way it goes. Either McCain or Obama who convinces me that the next 4 years are completly different from the last, will get my vote. Right now, with all the lies, especially from McCain and Palin, and the lack of experience from any of them, I am really concerned.

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1029 6 years, 1 month ago

The message isn't "vote for Obama or you are a racist". It's been a long proven fact that many, many white Americans have an ingrained racism that causes them to be wary and fearful of blacks, even if they don't realize that they are. As the much stronger candidate in a time in which Republican policies are clearly hurting the country, Obama should be on his way to an easy victory. However, an ingrained racism is causing many Americans to believe that Obama is being deceitful or that he is mysterious or that he is just a good speaker with no real ideas. Unconsciously, people are looking for a reason not to support him and are therefore more willing to buy into any claims made by the opposition, no matter how baseless or deceptive they are (such as "Obama is going to raise your taxes").John McCain is no "reformer". He may have been a "maverick" in the senate for not being a republican lemming, but if he is to be a "maverick" in the white house it is going to mean siding with strong democratic majorities in the house and senate. He won't do this to his party and we'll be left with essentially a third Bush term and a "do-nothing" congress that can't get legislation past McCain. McCain strategists even recognize that many Americans have an ingrained racism, which is why Palin was selected as the VP and the theme of "change" was hijacked. Now Americans don't have to feel guilty about not voting for the history-making candidate or not voting for "change". Now they can vote for "maverick" McCain and history-making "reformer" Sarah Palin.

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1029 6 years, 1 month ago

Also, the letter states: "Excuse me for having the intelligence to assess the candidates on their beliefs, values, knowledge and experience". Key word there is "experience". If the letter writer was really weighing a candidate's experience to make her decision, then the selection of Palin as VP should have thrown up all kinds of red flags. No matter what Palin's beliefs are, it would take a pretty ignorant voter to believe that Palin would be able to be President of the United States. Would you say that Mike Dever is qualified to be President? (so Palin was governor, but Alaska is small, very republican, and historically has a very apathetic constituency, indicating that it is not unlikely that they weighed factors such as former beauty pagent contestant or state basketball champion into their vote for governor)

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Flap Doodle 6 years, 1 month ago

Because voting for the first "half-white" President just wouldn't be hip & cool & stuff.....

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RobertMarble 6 years, 1 month ago

1029...you're only looking at half the problem. you conveniently forget to mention that there is a helluva lot of deeply ingrained racism in every race- and yes, that includes blacks. the fact that you refuse to acknowledge this while trying to pin racism strictly on whites is racist in and of itself, and highly indicative of your character. a rational person would re-evaluate their position upon noticing people like you on their side.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Confrontation:"It's obvious that Kathe had her mind made up long before this event was even planned. She's just another Repub who wants to bash Obama and have her name in the LJ-World.:So was it this quote that was Obama bashing? LOL!"If I felt Obama was the right person for the job he would get my vote no matter what his gender or race. However, his lack of experience does concern me and obviously a lot of other Americans. Shame on you, Ray Strother, for playing the race card!"

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Ask for examples and this is what you get:"If you actually believe that Obama has never had to make an "executive decision", then you are quite naive. My job title isn't as an "executive", but I make plenty of executive decisions. The definition is simply a decision for which you are responsible. All this noise from you and the rest of the parrots on the right is nothing more than a semantics game."Job titles are irrelevant to decision making.So there are no examples of executive decision making by Barrack Obama...as I stated. He never ran a business, never ran a government entity, he was a community organizer, professor, and a half term senator. Meanwhile back in the real world. Obama served in congress with the lowest approval rating, lowest record of accomplishment in recorded history. The left and its hysterical, celebrity fetish for Obama is cult like reminiscent of Jimmy Jones followers.

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Confrontation 6 years, 1 month ago

It's obvious that Kathe had her mind made up long before this event was even planned. She's just another Repub who wants to bash Obama and have her name in the LJ-World.

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oldvet 6 years, 1 month ago

While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year-old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President.The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Obama is a "post turtle."Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a "post turtle" was.The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a "post turtle".The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor's face, so he continued to explain. "You know he didn't get up there by himself, he doesn't belong up there, he doesn't know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder who put him up there."

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Mixolydian 6 years, 1 month ago

America has been more than ready to elect an African American to the presidency for quite awhile now.If Colin Powell had even lifted a finger in 2000, he would have soundly trounced GWB in the primaries and Gore in the general.Why is our governor galavanting all around the country for Obama and calling us racists? Is she taking vacation days? Is she still drawing a salary and getting paid by Obama too? Is she on the state jet?

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BigDog 6 years, 1 month ago

what is Obama's executive experience?

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Sigmund 6 years, 1 month ago

smarty_pants (Anonymous) says: "I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight:.."Yep you got it right, pretty much none of that counts. I don't care where you come from or if your husband inhaled, I want know know what you did and what you plan to do. When was the last time Barry "I've been to 57 states except for Alaska and Hawaii" Obama, or Joe "Stand up wheelchair Chuck" Biden ever cross party lines or stood up to their party and voted across party lines? At least "Juan" McCain has done so repeatedly (although I disagreed with him when he did) and Palin challenged and beat the "Good ol'e Boy" republican network in Alaska. You might ask Joe Lieberman how supportive the democrats are of differing opinions and who had the last laugh.

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Sigmund 6 years, 1 month ago

lee66049 (Anonymous) says: "Meanwhile back in the real world. Obama served in congress with the lowest approval rating, lowest record of accomplishment in recorded history. The left and its hysterical, celebrity fetish for Obama is cult like reminiscent of Jimmy Jones followers."Here is how Obama can get my vote and is in fact a winning campaign strategy that would swing a majority of independents. Fire both of his senior campaign staff who are tied directly to Fannie and Freddie and then go on TV to tell the American people that he raised concerns about Freddie and Fannie management back in 2005 but that he was blocked by the leadership of his own party.Run against Pelosi and Reid and show the American people he has the backbone to stand up to his own party and a congress whose approval rating is even lower than the President's. Quit running against Bush and start running against the people that voters despise even more that Bush and who are the most to blame for the current energy and financial debacle we face today, the current democratic and republican members of congress.That would be a change that would give me some hope that he isn't just another talking head pretty boy empty suit who is lost without his speechwriter and a teleprompter. If he did that I wouldn't care if he was purple and had two heads, I'd vote for him and so would millions of others.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Logicsound....ok your just losing it now....you take a quote from me and say it was lost on me....Yep....cult like following....for sure.

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Sigmund 6 years, 1 month ago

"Lynn Forester de Rothschild, a prominent Hillary Clinton supporter and member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee, will endorse John McCain for president on Wednesday, her spokesman tells CNN."http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/prominent-clinton-backer-and-dnc-member-to-endorse-mccain/So are we to believe that a member of the Democratic National Committee's Platform Committee is a racists as well? So anyone who doesn't vote for Obama for President is a racist? What a complete load of crap.

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RobertMarble 6 years, 1 month ago

1029, nice job on the quick back peddling. of course your post never touched on the subject of racism among different minorities- you were too busy regurgitating the party line of bashing whites. glad to see your horizons have been expanded. perhaps you should have researched to topic prior to jumping into the fray. apparently the lure of an opportunity to play the race card is too strong for the libs.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Sigmund....if Obama did all or most of that and I would be soundly on his side. Anyone that thinks I'm a proud republican....your mistaken. I look at my side in congress and I would vote against just about everyone of those crybabies. I'm working hard to overturn Boyda, but if she was a republican I would work just as hard. That last congress is totally unacceptable.

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jumpin_catfish 6 years, 1 month ago

Go faster...oh race card, I thought the topic was race car. Are race cards worth collecting? Maybe I'll pick up a few down at the local DNC.

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smarty_pants 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're'exotic, different.'Grow up in Alaska eating Mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim. Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a maverick.Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable. Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA , your family is extremely admirable. OK, much clearer now.

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jaywalker 6 years, 1 month ago

jafs: "However, does anyone really believe that race isn't a factor in this election?I would think that race, gender, and age are all at play as part of most folks voting decisions."I for one really don't think so, jafs. Or maybe I just hope not. But of all my friends and those I've had face to face contact with, not a one has brought up race or gender as a factor. McCain's age, yes, but Obama's as well. I know I couldn't care less about those three criteria. I'd vote for a Mongolian-American hermaphrodite that was 40 but looked 80 if I believed they were our best option to lead this country. No doubt racism is alive and well here, though not nearly what it once was, thank God. And I've said before there's no way it ever goes completely away 'cuz you just can't eliminate ignorance. I really don't think racism will play an influential part in this election. But I grant you again, perhaps I'm just 'hoping'.

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lee66049 6 years, 1 month ago

Well Big Dog... the Obama groupie's say he was in the Senate for less than one term and he made some decisions in that capacity. He was a lawyer/professor, and a community organizer. I've been told he represented more people in his district than the entire population of Alaska.Of course I look at that do nothing congress and their approval ratings lower than President Bush's and well, I don't think I would brag about that if I were them.

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Brent Garner 6 years, 1 month ago

Be careful folks. As I have experienced in posting here on these comment sections if you disagree with a leftist you are automatically a racist, bigot, and a homophobe. I cite this only because I have been called each of those multiple times simply for disagreeing with a leftist, especially if I disagree with Mr. Obama. (Note: no reference to middle name, no mention of skin color. Note the use of the respectful term Mr. No racism or bigotry here just a geniune disagreement on what we think should be done.)

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james bush 6 years, 1 month ago

Obama started playing the race card and now the DNC's talking points are apparently in all the dems' public statements; ie, Sebelius used the racist theme while campaigning for Obama in Iowa today... as noted in Drudge Report today.

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Brent Garner 6 years, 1 month ago

I would argue that the "plague" is not fading away. We have Hollywood actresses stating that all Republicans should be in jail. I know one leftist here in town who told my wife that all conservatives should be killed. I have been threatened with "re-education camps" in other diatribes. (For those not familiar with the term a re-education camp is a Marxist/Communist institution where those who oppose Marxism/Communism are tortured, beaten, etc., until they "learn" to think the correct way.) Rarely do I hear such venomous words from someone on the so-called Right, yet I hear them constantly from those on the Left. This is rapidly approaching the tenor and tension leading up to what we call the Civil War. Will it take bloodshed in our streets? Will it take the complete collapse of society? Think about it people. You can disagree without demonizing the other person. You really can. So, and this will sound biased but only Lefties who have thrown these words at me, you on the Left who claim such tolerance and open-mindedness, perhaps you should take a day or two for some introspection and realize how your favorite, unthinking catch phrases sound. To me the sound eerily similar to the chants of the Nazis and the slogans of the Communists. Neither of which is a good thing.

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