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Palin introduces herself to American public

McCain wins GOP nomination

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, speaks Wednesday during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, speaks Wednesday during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn.

September 4, 2008

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— Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin claimed her historic spot as the Republican Party's vice presidential nominee Wednesday night, uncorking a smiling, sarcastic attack on Barack Obama and winning cheers of acceptance and approval after a tumult-filled first week on the national stage.

She vowed to the Republican National Convention - and millions more around the country - that she would help presidential nominee John McCain bring real change to Washington, saying "he's a man who's there to serve his country and not just his party."

McCain joined her on stage, to even bigger cheers. In an anti-climactic roll call vote, the delegates then awarded him the presidential nomination he has sought for a decade - propelling him into the fall campaign. At 72, the Arizona senator is the oldest first-time nominee in history.

The 44-year-old Palin, scarcely known a week ago, had top billing on the third night of the convention. The first woman vice presidential candidate in party history, she made her solo national debut after days of tabloid-like scrutiny of her and her family.

Some of the biggest roars were for her barbs aimed at Democratic presidential nominee Obama.

"Victory in Iraq is finally in sight; he wants to forfeit," she said of Obama. "Al-Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America; he's worried that someone won't read them their rights."

To the delight of the delegates, McCain strolled unexpectedly onto the convention stage after the speech and hugged his running mate.

"Don't you think we made the right choice" for vice president? he said as his delegates roared their approval. It was an unspoken reference to the convention-week controversy that has greeted her, including the disclosure that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter was pregnant.

The packed convention hall exploded in cheers as McCain stood with Palin and her family - including mother-to-be Bristol and the father, 18-year-old Levi Johnston.

Palin drew waves of approval from the moment she stepped onto the convention stage, hundreds of camera flashes reflecting off her glasses.

If McCain and his campaign's high command had any doubt about her ability at the convention podium, they needn't have. With her youthful experience as a sportscaster and time spent in the governor's office, her timing was flawless, her appeal to the crowd obvious.

"Our family has the same ups and downs as any other, the same challenges and the same joys," she said as the audience signaled its understanding.

Not surprisingly, her best-received lines were barbs at Obama.

"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities," she said, a reference to Obama's stint as a community organizer.

She said of McCain: "Take the maverick out of the Senate. Put him in the White House. He's a man who's there to serve his country, and not just his party."

A parade of party luminaries preceded Palin to the convention podium, and Republicans packing the hall cheered every attack on Obama.

"He's never run a city, never run a state, never run a business, never run a military unit. He's never had to lead people in crisis," said former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani of McCain's rival.

"This is not a personal attack ... it's a statement of fact - Barack Obama has never led anything. Nothing. Nada."

Comments

1029 6 years, 10 months ago

By the way, great comment:"It's deplorable how she and others in the GOP denigrate community organizers, and in the same breath a few of them have said that they do not know what that is. Very telling with regard to their view of community service. Not only to place zero value on it, but to levy contempt on it? Very sad."It was sickening to see Guiliani make that "joke" and then to see all the camera shots of privledged white people smiling and laughing about it. Since when is it a bad thing for people who lack equality of opportunity to come together and work to improve their neighborhoods and their living situations?

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

invictus (Anonymous) says:"What's wrong with banning books the majority of the population finds offensive? Isn't that democracy? Wouldn't that make Palin a champion of democracy?"Wow! Where to begin? Are you advocating the rise of a 4th reich there?

thusspokezarathustra 6 years, 10 months ago

"Name one change that McCain has achieved."Wives.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

invictus (Anonymous) says:"There should be standards that reflect the values of the populace the school serves."Oh, so we can re-write history. You're on fire today. Keep this crazy train rollin'!

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"And sorry Scott, obfuscate as you might about her being a 'small village mayor', that experience alone is more than BO has, and saying such when she's currently the Governor is nothing short of childish and deceptive"Jaywalker, she WAS a small village mayor. That is a fact, not an obfuscation. As far as that experience goes, she left the two $20 million or so in debt after she left office, a huge increase over the fiscally secure manner in which she took over the office. She also fired her police chief and head librarian for being insufficently supprotive of her campaign. And she also pursued censorship at the local library. Is this the experience that you think is so beneficial? It sounds very familiar to me. A certain failed President will leave us with enormous debt, required sufficient levels of political support in order to work in his administration, and just loved censorship and a host of unAmerican and unConstitutional measures. Do we need more? What "executive experience" and success can she point to as mayor of the village? Is this an argument like dear Cindy's: she's next to Russia, so that's a lot of foreign experience right there!"

Sigmund 6 years, 10 months ago

duplenty (Anonymous) says: "Apparently, Peggy Noonan is now part of the liberal media. Noonan: The Palin pick is "insulting", "gimmicky", and "political bulls***". "Or you could read Peggy Noonan online ..."Dig deep into Sarah Palin, get all you can, talk to everybody, get every vote, every quote, tell us of her career and life, she may be the next vice president. But don't play games. And leave her kid alone, bitch.""I'll tell you how powerful Mrs. Palin already is: she reignited the culture wars just by showing up. She scrambled the battle lines, too. The crustiest old Republican men are shouting "Sexism!" when she's slammed. Pro-woman Democrats are saying she must be a bad mother to be all ambitious with kids in the house. Great respect goes to Barack Obama not only for saying criticism of candidates' children is out of bounds in political campaigns, but for making it personal, and therefore believable. "My mother had me when she was eighteen:" That was the lovely sound of class in American politics."http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

"Ms. Palin fired Ms. Emmons shortly after taking office"I think we're seeing a disturbing pattern with her here.

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

invictus:>But when schools start mandating certain books they are indoctrinating the children.Yeah, how about books like "The Federalist Papers" or maybe the "Declaration of Independence", those aren't about indoctrination at all, unless of course the parents of some of your students are British communists and are offended by these bourgeois rags that attack their mother country.

Sigmund 6 years, 10 months ago

More from Ms. Noonan ..."The choice of Sarah Palin IS a Hail Mary pass, the pass the guy who thinks he has a good arm makes to the receiver he hopes is gifted. Most Hail Mary passes don't work. But when they do they're a thing of beauty and a joy forever."http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jaywalker, of your list of supposed negative comments, which weren't true? Don't you just hate it when the facts get in the way of what you want to be the truth. I didn't anticipate Palin to have a vision for the future beyond -- Look, John McCain is a war hero, and a maverick! And we should drill in Alaska -- and she didn't dissapoint. There was no indication that she has a clue. Further, I wasn't surprised to see all the Republicans with their "I'm for the Hot Chick" buttons. Nice show of non-sexism there on the convention floor, but then again, this is the party that belittled a decorated Vietnam vet at the last convention, so I shouldn't be surprised.Where she did dissapoint was in having her infant son in the auditorium throughout the evening. Consider how loud a political conventional hall can be, and she has an infant there. She may have given her child permanent hearing loss for her political gain. Nice.And yes, John McCain is 72, and you HATE it when this is pointed out, but it is FACT. He is 72, and his father died of a heart attack at the age of 70. And Palin is there, with her PTA experience that she discussed last night, ready to take charge. (I do wonder if anyone has told her yet what it is a Vice President does every day, since a month ago, by her own admission, she wasn't sure.)I'm sure Palin's talk about how she will lead the country by, well, um, oh yeah, she is a maverick too, made you very happy. The talk had the substance of a Twinkie, but some people like Twinkies.So now we all know Sarah Palin, and we know that Sarah Palin is from a small town in Alaska, she thinks drilling in Alaska is our solution to our economic woes and that she really doesn't like Barack Obama very much. How exactly will this help the rest of the I think Sarah Bullock could have delivered the speech more effectively.

Sigmund 6 years, 10 months ago

duplenty (Anonymous) says: "Are you really not savvy enough to see that she says one thing in public and another in private?"Much like Obama's clinging to guns and religion remarks in San Fransisco? I think everyone understands duplicity, duplenty. But I have Hope that will Change, or some such simplistic rhetoric.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jaywalker would prefer the facts be marginalized or pushed to the end of a story, not be right out in front. True, there are states that have fewer people. There are also at least 15 American cities with more people in them than you will find in all of Alaska. Or is that just another fact you would rather ignore? And if it is true that Mayor Palin left Wasilla with a debt, that speaks to where she might lead the nation. Obama / Biden! Get the facts.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"I'm sorry, she's not running for senior cheerleader, or president of the senior class. In fact, I saw no class last night at all."Thank you JohnBrown, that helped me put my finger on what it was about her last night. I knew there was something very hish schoolish about it. Reading your comment it hit me: she's like a vicious little Texas cheerleader mom. Willing to do anything. Yip, yip yip, don't talk about my kids, their off limits, but let me use them in my speech. Guess that's maybe how the Repubs used to feel about Hillary. Like fingernails on a chalkboard to me - worse than idiot boy george, even (and THAT is saying something.) If I were Obama, I'd sic Hillary on her. And if I were McCain, I'd invest in a food tester.

sfjayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

One other upside palin brings to the table - now at least one of the candidates on the republican ticket knows how to sign onto the 'inter-web' to check email. Seriously though, check out the crowd at the RNC, all old white people, that frankly look very square. Probably cling to their guns and jeasus pretty tightly these days.

Newcomb 6 years, 10 months ago

"Thanks, but no thanks!"Say what you will about her ability to either a.) excite a crowd, display tenacity, and represent what is right with the Republican party or b.) recite hypocritical rhetoric, speak around issues, or childishly attack Obama at a superficial level. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, there are elements of her speech that can and should be examined in an objective manner. The most obvious and useful example is her reference to the "Bridge to Nowhere" project. Palin spun this issue in a way that made it seem like she is adamantly against gov't earmarks and excessive spending. With her "Thanks, but no thanks" comment, she came off as one who is above the idea of collecting money from the government to fund pet projects that cost many but benefit few. If one does research on this issue, however, we find that in Palin's campaign for governor, she thoroughly supported the project, hoping that Alaska's Federal legislatures could secure all $380 million for the project. When the money dried up though, she was forced to abandon the project. This is hardly a "Thanks. but no thanks" attitude. The problem with Palin isn't necessarily that her experiences aren't qualifying for the position of president. There have been several good presidents who ran on their experience as governor. The problem is that her experiences have not been thorough or testing enough for her to establish a political identity. Depending on your perspective, she either did a great job or a horrible job. However, when you look critically at the few substantive points in her speech, you see that she falls short.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

"What's wrong with banning books..."That statement right there speaks volumes and is truly sad and amazing, even at face value. I'm just surprised Ray Bradbury's Farenheit 451 isn't on the list.Just remember, invictus, you are who you pretend to be.

Confrontation 6 years, 10 months ago

I love how "Hockey Mom" is now a qualification for VP. There are many moms who take their kids to activities, but they don't have to campaign about it. Wouldn't she rather be known as "A Mom who kept her daughter from getting knocked up by actually talking about sex and isn't forcing her to get married to a man she'll end up divorcing anyhow?" Or how about, "A Mom who doesn't raise up and use her Down Syndrome baby as a poster child for anti-abortion whacko's?" Actually, I guess she can't use either of those.

chet_larock 6 years, 10 months ago

"That's funny and true, no matter who wrote it."If you call blatant distortions "true", then I can see how it would be funny.

Jaminrawk 6 years, 10 months ago

Yes, I know the "Daily Show" is considered liberal, however to all of the conservative complaining about liberal hypocrisy, check out the clips of Rove lauding Pallin's experience as a Mayor of a town of 9,000 when in 2007 he was discrediting a politician from Virginia who was mayor of a bigger town. http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=184082

Christine Pennewell Davis 6 years, 10 months ago

so can anyone on here tell me is there a bug going around town? I know nothing to do with the election just wanted to know.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"Jaywalker, she WAS a small village mayor. That is a fact, not an obfuscation"Thanks, Scott, I didn't know that. Unfortunately, what I'm referencing is your attempt, much like what I outlined in the article, is a nuanced way of detracting from this woman. Stating she's a 'small village mayor', when right now she is the Governor, is an attempt at obfuscation.And in response all those that choose to look at this article and the lines I stressed as "fair" and unbiased, shame on your failed education. Scott, this is exactly the type of 'journalism' we've argued about in the past. A writer with an agenda, and not one who is merely reporting, shapes an article with tone and angle. Go back and read analysis of BO after his speech, or Biden. Were ages listed as they are above? Did they write of 'barbs' and 'attacks' when the men referenced Bush or McCain? Or was it written to make them sound more fair and rational, as in 'Obama argued..' and 'Biden referenced'?Don't misunderstand, I see your points about this reporter stating 'facts'. But it's the way they are presented, the subtle tone and slant with which they are portrayed. I was an English major with a creative writing emphasis, and I've worked for two major city newspapers and have always had a knack and a love for language and the written word, so perhaps these things stand out to me a little more. But if you truly believe the above article was written and worded as it was in the spirit of reporting the news, you're sorely mistaken. And MyName, 'preciate you're semantic argument on Alaska's 'population density', but that's side-stepping what Clint was saying, nor is it accurate. So to you, it's the least populated state because it's the biggest and has the most uninhabitable areas? Swell. Vermont, Wyoming, and N. Dakota have fewer residents and are therefore 'less populated'.

janeyb 6 years, 10 months ago

I doubt that the stupid comments made by desperate liberal MSNBC commentators covering the convention makes their website. Watch the freakin news coverage. They just showed Joe Biden's reaction to Sarah Palin's speech last night. Joe says that Sarah never mentioned "middle class" once in her speech. Wouldn't that be like Obama saying "In case you haven't noticed, I'm black."

janeyb 6 years, 10 months ago

Since 2006 a Democrat Congress has been running Washington. We certainly don't need to add a Democrat president to the Nancy Pelosi Show.

sfjayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

And we know how you make your political decisions, you vote the way your klan leader tells you to. Now get back in the bomb shelter, im sure you have some guns to cling to down there you poor bitter old fat dork.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"Stating she's a 'small village mayor', when right now she is the Governor, is an attempt at obfuscation."No, my point was that, in my opinion, her speech was overly defensive of her small village mayor experience. Why in the world would I mention the governor job to make that point. "Scott, this is exactly the type of 'journalism' we've argued about in the past." No it is not. This is an opinion piece. The LJW publishes it, and others like it, I assume to provide a range of thoughtful opinion to its readers. What we have argued about is your, still unsubstantiated, claim of a liberal media bias in the reporting of news. This piece is not relevant to such a discussion. "I was an English major with a creative writing emphasis, and I've worked for two major city newspapers"You need to go ask for money back because you missed some really big chunks of understanding what the news media is, and should be.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"In large part America is tired of fire breathing partisanship. They have seen the 50+1 percent presidency of Bush devolve into a 24% presidency. People, especially those in the middle, realize that a president that every day is focused on "winning" the base turns out to be a loser with people in the middle and in the other party. It is not a way to govern a nation -- and it stymies the effectiveness of the presidency. People like Reagan and Clinton had presidencies that worked for better or worse because they hadn't written off half of the country on inauguration day.For those who needed reminding, the Republican convention has done the job. Mission accomplished."More coverage at OliverWillis.com

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

1029 says,"I highly doubt that anyone involved in Obama's campaign or any of his supporters have lost any confidence because of Palin's selection or her speech."Yep. Right now, they're busy reloading ;)

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

I like my politician with a bit (no make that quite a bit) more humility.She did herself a disservice. The speech was devoid of almost any policy or statement of how McCain/Palin will govern. It was rude & lacked, as I said, even the slightest degree of humility. So anxious to explain away the choice of a small village mayor for VP, she was overly boastful and attacked too much, too early and too viciously. I didn't like her sort in high school, I didn't like her type in college, I cannot stand her self absorbed, hyper ambitious type in the workplace and, despite all the hosannas this morning, I think most Americans will observe her with the same sort of distaste. And what is the deal with her and McCain. She spent 1/2 the speech going on and on about what a hero he was and etc., then when he comes out on stage, she can obviously barely stand to do the obligatory cheek kiss while holding all of the rest of her body as far as possible away from him. I think she must have seen some of the internet video of him "admiring" her backside.

POCO 6 years, 10 months ago

Sara Palin will take the ceiling that Hillary cracked and sell it on e-bay. What a woman, what a speech, what a fabulous candidate !!!!McCain-Palin 2009.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 10 months ago

"invictus (Anonymous) says: More importantly what do the Europeans think of her?"Good one.

justthefacts 6 years, 10 months ago

Let's see how it all plays out in November shall we? To those who oppose McCain and think Sarah P. is an awful choice, why are you so upset? It sure sounds like you think she may win him some extra votes. If she is ALL that obviously bad, don't you trust people to notice that fact? You would think that people who believe she is such a bad pick, and who like Obama-Biden, would be quiet and very happy about the pick. Methinks some people who were smug about winning may realize that she is the "real deal" and they are not a bit happy that having her on the McCain ticket may just have turned the tide. Else why would the attacks on her be so violent and constant? You only attack what might cause harm to you. Unless, of course, you just like being mean for no good reason.....

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

jaywalker:>And MyName, 'preciate you're semantic argument on Alaska's 'population density', but that's side-stepping what Clint was saying, nor is it accurate. So to you, it's the least populated state because it's the biggest and has the most uninhabitable areas? Swell. Vermont, Wyoming, and N. Dakota have fewer residents and are therefore 'less populated'.No, I'm saying that he was technically correct. The population of a state refers to the number of people in it, while the amount a state is populated can in fact refer to the number of people divided by the area. So Vermont, for example, is more densely populated than Alaska even if it has fewer people because those people are in a smaller area. The same goes for the other states you listed which may have less people than Alaska, but which also have less area. So the fact is that Alaska is the least populated state in the union. And it also has one of the lowest populations.

MCwzMC 6 years, 10 months ago

The democrats should be afraid, very very afraid!--------------Of republicans (1) who fund wars with debts paid by their children, (2) who have systematically increased the national debt during the last 3 republican administrations, (3) who, via the growing national debt, redistribute wealth across generations, and (4) who advocate highly-intrusive, paternalistic social policies.It seems the Libertarians are the only true Republicans.

Luxor 6 years, 10 months ago

She and her family are total white trash.

JohnBrown 6 years, 10 months ago

O'Bama's right, McCain, and now Palin don't "get it.To use my Mom's favorite phrase, "this is all kerfluffle".Besides cutesy, high-schoolish mantras, what was actually said about the economy, the price of gas ("drill, drill, drill!), the war (actually, she thinks its God war, but that was nowhere to be found last night in her generic anti-Democratic speech).I'm sorry, she's not running for senior cheerleader, or president of the senior class. In fact, I saw no class last night at all. No wonder O'Bama is at 50% in the polls.

Sigmund 6 years, 10 months ago

I only wish Palin had borrowed a phrase from the recent Paris Hilton offshore drilling video (the PG rated one), "See you at the debate, bitches"

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

When I saw Palin speak last night, I kept thinking of the movie "Election." Palin reminds me of a real-life Tracy Flick, although not as likable.When her talk was over, I felt like watching the movie "Juno." Not sure why. Maybe it was because of the similar sounding name to the Alaskan city.

meggers 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin can't have it both ways. Just yesterday, the McCain camp tried to innoculate her against questions and perceived criticisms from the media, the Obama campaign, and Obama supporters by portraying her as some sort of victim. How dare they ask who she is, what her qualifications are, what her actual record is, or how well McCain vetted her? I mean, McCain says she's a maverick reformer with good, solid family values, so that should be the end of the story, right?Now that she's presented herself with her nostrils flared, making simplistic, exaggerated, and downright inaccurate claims about both her own record and Obama's , she can no longer play the victim. Not that she and the McCain camp won't continue to use that whenever the criticism hits a little bit too close to home, but in NO way should she get a pass from the media or anyone else.Her so-called maverick image is a fairy tale created by the McCain campaign. Once her record is examined objectively, she will be seen as an earmark-happy, back-stabbing, political opportunist who didn't seem to have a problem with allowing Wasilla's infrastructure to crumble, while spending millions on recreation and other projects that left the town deeply in debt. She's a charlatan and once she's exposed, the exuberance people see now will transform itself into nothing more than the theatrical performance of a narcissistic, self-serving woman who is used to having people step out of the way for her.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

No sweat, Scott, done the same myself before.

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

jaywalker:>Sorry there Clint, Alaska is not the 'least populated state in the union', not that it should matter anyway.Yes it is. It may not have the lowest population, but at 1.2 people per square mile, it has the lowest population density, making it the "least populated", while New Jersey and Rhode Island both have over 1000 people per square mile, making them the "most populated".And considering the fact that the entire State of Alaska has about one third of the population of the greater KC Metro area, I'd say it does matter. Since, arguably, the Mayor of Olathe has as much administrative experience as the Republican Vice-Presidential Nominee.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

Obama's "clinging to God and guns" comment, in context. I don't see anything objectionable. As ususal, the Republicans are not being intellectually honest when they "quote" this. People who cannot win legitimately must cheat. "The places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people are most cynical about government : everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work - don't wanna vote for the Black guy.' : There were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing."In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by - it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism," Obama said to laughter."So the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? : we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing - to close tax loopholes : roll back the tax cuts for the top on perent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we're gonna provide healthcare for every American."Our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."Now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background - there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical."

Sadiesmom 6 years, 10 months ago

Go Sarah Palin!!!! She stood up for the fact that she has more experience than Obama. Who says she doesn't have experience for a second in command position when she has more experience than someone seeking a first in command position. Obama says Sarah Palin's speech last night was well addressed. In my opinion that is all Obama is good at - words. He is very good with words and there are many naive people who believe him. I believe action speaks louder than words. What has Obama done?We know John McCain's strength, we know what he went thru at the Hanoi Hilton. How many of you would still be seeking to serve our country if you had been a POW? I don't want a president who hasn't displayed how he will face a conflict, who knows if he will hide in the oval office afraid to hurt his foreign popularity. I want a president who has proven he will defend our country and put our country first. I want John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Tom McCune 6 years, 10 months ago

The speech was snide and narcissistic. "If the facts are on your side, use the facts. If the law is on your side, use the law. If neither the facts nor the law is on your side, attack the opposition."

BuffyloGal 6 years, 10 months ago

Knockout quotes? From her End of Times pastor or someone else? I can't keep track of the craziness in this election.

acoupstick 6 years, 10 months ago

I thought she did a good job, although I disagree with her politics. What I didn't like was the tone of the entire evening, including her speech. This quote pretty much sums up how I felt after the speeches by Guiliani and Palin:"That speech wasn't meant to inspire-it wasn't about our better selves or what we might be able to accomplish, as a nation-it was all about rage, sarcasm, resentment, mockery. And the crowd just lapped it up."http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/That quote could also represent the majority of comments on this forum from both sides.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"jaywalker would prefer the facts be marginalized or pushed to the end of a story, not be right out in front. True, there are states that have fewer people. There are also at least 15 American cities with more people in them than you will find in all of Alaska. Or is that just another fact you would rather ignore?"Aah, bea, ignorant to the last, eh? What I'd prefer is to not be subjected to your useless postings. What 'facts' in the above article did anyone not know? So re-iterating them is what... besides pointless and furthering someone's personal agenda? Believe me when I tell you, though you find it necessary to repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat yourself time and again, it's more than redundant for a journalist. Those facts have been all over everything for the last two days, so why in an assignment that is supposed to be on Pallin's initiation on the national stage, does this 'reporter' find it necessary to regurgitate it all again? How 'bout every time BO's name is mentioned we have to read about Wright, Rezko, his opposition to the surge, his friendship with Ayres, etc. etc. It's old news, and responsible reporting should not include it unless it's relevant to the current story. And it's nauseating to hear you harp on the same tired lines. Tell you what, if it means that much to you get off your duff and go lobby for new laws to be implemented for :-Age limits for candidates (kinda like 'you can't ride this ride...')-population mandatories for candidates (anyone in office from these states is ineligible for higher office). Or better yet, how 'bout ya gotta be from NYC to run? I never realized that such things precluded anyone from serving the country. You're brilliant, bea, what did our forefathers do without you? I'm not ignoring any 'facts', bea. It's just that they have no relevance here. Ok, Pallin was mayor of a small town and is governor of a state, regardless the population of either. Spin it any way you want, but both positions are more than BO has ever governed. Or is that another fact you choose to ignore? So sorry, editor of the law review at Harvard, while impressive, isn't in the same ball park with governing a state. And quit wearing so much patchouli, it's makin' my head hurt.

d_prowess 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin: "Victory in Iraq is finally in sight; he wants to forfeit." Is victory really in sight? I will admit I have sort of lost track of the war over there with all of the election and domestic news dominating lately, but what does vicotry mean in this situation? Troop pullouts? Reduction of cash flowing over there? And what does in sight mean? 1 year? 5 years? I guess I just wish there was a little more meat to this statement.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 6 years, 10 months ago

Yesterday the LJW had a dozen Palin-bashing stories running. Today, it's down to this one story about history in the making and one about Palin's pregnant daughter from a couple of days ago. The liberal bias is obvious, disgusting and dishonest. Total buttholes.Go ahead, prove me right by removing the post.

rtwngr 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin's da bomb! Obama's history. The fact is Obama looks weak against Palin and Biden......well forget about it.

janeyb 6 years, 10 months ago

This week all we have heard is how John McCain acted irresponsibly in selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate, she wasn't properly vetted (her immunizations must not be up to date), and he had only met her one time. MSNBC just announced that Sarah's speech last night was written months ago, and the Obama campaign threw in that it was written by a George Bush Speech writer. The wheels are falling off the liberal left wagon.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jaywalker: "I was an English major with a creative writing emphasis ... "And yet your posts are as predictable as they could possibly be. "... and I've worked for two major city newspapers..."So we are supposed to be impressed that you worked in so-called "major cities." Big whoop. Obviously, it shouldn't matter if you were editor of the New York Times or a cub reporter for the Wasilla Antler Monthly. All experience is the same when it comes to the current Republican ticket.Now, to paraphrase Ms. Palin: "Well, Mr. Big City newsboy, there are some of us who love small-towns and everything about small towns, including their newspapers. Big cities have journalistic standards, yet small town newspapers have 'maverick' reporters who don't let facts hold them back. Indeed, how dare facts get in the way of telling a story."

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

invictus:>What's wrong with banning books the majority of the population finds offensive?Okay, I hope you're being silly or something because, historically speaking, there's a pretty long list of books and ideas that the majority of people at some point found "offensive", then changed their minds about once they realized the author had a point. One big reason why censorship is bad is because it is just as likely to ban the "uncomfortable" truth as it is to ban something really bad.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"And yet your posts are as predictable as they could possibly be"Riiiiiight. Pot calling kettle, come in kettle. Predictable? Like repeating the exact same blurb over and over again, bea? At least I know the diff between 'your' and 'you're'."So we are supposed to be impressed that you worked in so-called "major cities." Big whoop"Umm, no. I cited such to explain why I believe I see the sublte nuances in certain articles. And could you be more hypocritical? If I'd said 'small town' papers you'd have blathered how that was no good too, much like you've repeated the same garbage about Pallin's Wasilla service. Tell ya what, bea. Come up with something new and/or valid, we'll talk.

BigDog 6 years, 10 months ago

Sarah Palin delivered last night ...... one only has to see how much the liberals and liberal media are going after her to know how much she concerns them.It is so ironic for people to say she didn't talk about policy enough and she attacked poor the Messiah too much. I don't recall policy positions or details on policies from Biden.Keep kicking it Sarah ..... you have the libs running scared.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jay, "much like you've repeated the same garbage about Pallin's Wasilla service."At least I known her name is spelled "Palin." (Or, does that just prove that anyone can make a typo? I guess that would be "your" call.)And if her service in Wasilla was garbage, as you put it, I guess it is worth repeating, especially given that the country was introduced to her just last week. Now, I recall you once claimed that you were likely to vote for Obama, but were waiting to see how things develop. I didn't really believe you, but I give you the benefit of doubt. Things have indeed developed. Has the addition of Palin to the McCain ticket been enough to convince you either way?

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

It is an extreme example but many people are just as disgusted by the ideologies preached in other books. The solution: no indoctrination. Just teach them reading and writing and math.Yeah, who needs things like Government? Or US History? Or Classical literature? Stick to reading and writing. If it's good enough for Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson, it's good enough for our children (oh wait, didn't they actually study things like government and classical literature, my bad).And to address your other claim about "offensive" books. My point is that the worth of a book is judged by the value of its ideas, not by whether or not people are offended by it. There are plenty of good ideas that have been disliked or hated by other people (e.g. the theory that the Earth revolves around the Sun). But eventually, people realize that the ideas are good and they're forced to accept them.A book that some people are offended by may be required for a class, but the difference between "education" and "indoctrination" is that in most are free to point out why they think the book is lousy. They can even write an "A" paper on why the book has no merit. You seem to think that being required to read a book means you are forced to agree with it's ideas, which is only true if you're in Soviet Russia or something.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Jay: "Scott, this is exactly the type of 'journalism' we've argued about in the past."Scott: "No it is not. This is an opinion piece. The LJW publishes it, and others like it, I assume to provide a range of thoughtful opinion to its readers."And I'm the one that needs to get money back for my education? An opinion piece from the AP? That's what this is, huh? Fine junior. The AP is a consortium of news media outlets that has, since it's inception, boldy flauted it's 'just the facts' brand of journalism. They use the inverted pyramid style of reporting so that any other outlet like the LJW can cut a story to fit it's column space without losing the over-riding meaning of the story. Grasp the meaning there? It's 'supposed' to be straight, unbiased reporting ------ NOT an opinion piece. But thank you for proving me correct by displaying your ignorance AND calling this type of jouranlism for what it is --- OPINION. That's exactly what the AP is not supposed to be about. "What we have argued about is your, still unsubstantiated, claim of a liberal media bias in the reporting of news. This piece is not relevant to such a discussion."I'm sorry that you don't get it, Scott, sincerely. This 'piece' is exactly what I was referring to in previous discussions. Tone, angle, slant, wording - the subtlety of phrase manipulation in headlines and article content. "You need to go ask for money back because you missed some really big chunks of understanding what the news media is, and should be."And that's where you fall way short, kiddo. What the 'news' media should be and should always strive for is 'just the facts'. Columnists and op-eds are for opinion, news reporting is supposed to be strictly for the news. No bias, no agenda, no writing things in a way that fits how you saw it. The AP is supposed to be based on this standard, and that's exactly what I posited in the past. Your inability to comprehend the way these things have been manipulated is exactly why the term 'sheeple' has entered the lexicon. It's an every day version of propoganda, and it's why I see great faults in the 'journalism' of today.But please, lecture me some more as you blog from your apartment house in Old Oread about how I don't know an industry I've worked in. Brilliant as ever.

Jaminrawk 6 years, 10 months ago

Funny that her speech sounded like typical Bush pep rally fare. His speech writer wrote it. Hah!

janeyb 6 years, 10 months ago

While the Obama's were spending a fortune getting those high-priced legal educations, they should have dropped by the University of Idaho and taken a communications class or two. Palin certainly got her money's worth out of that university.

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

jaywalker:I think this "liberal bias" is more you projecting what you want to see on it, rather than anything that's really present in the article. I mean, let's just go through the list you made:>uncorking a smiling, sarcastic attack on Barack Obama Hello? What's so bad about sarcasm again? How is that biased?>In an anti-climactic roll call voteWell yeah, if you already know the outcome, that thing can be rather dull and anti-climactic>At 72, the Arizona senator is the oldest first-time nominee in history.Again, this is only bad if you think old people are bad. In many ways, the fact that McCain and Reagan were able to do the big job at that age is a Good Thing>The 44-year-old Palin, scarcely known a week ago, Again, both are true. Otherwise, this speech wouldn't be an "introduction to America" now would it?>after days of tabloid-like scrutiny of her and her family.I think this is supposed to be sympathetic. Unless you have such a low opinion of the person that you feel they deserve to be chased around by paparazzi >her barbs aimed at Democratic presidential nominee ObamaA barb, meaning a verbal attack. Totally accurate.>her 17-year-old unmarried daughter was pregnant.>including mother-to-be Bristol and the father, 18-year-old Levi Johnston.These have only been one of the top stories in the few days since she was announced as the candidate. So yeah, it's totally biased to point out her reaction to all this scrutiny.>With her youthful experience as a sportscaster She honed some of her public speaking skills (such as they are) doing sportscasts in her younger days. This is the sort of information about her people might like to know. When Fred Thompson spoke earlier, I'm sure people pointed out his experience as an actor.>Not surprisingly, her best-received lines were barbs at Obama>cheered every attack on ObamaUmm.... yeah the crowd seemed to like it when she attacked the Democratic Presidential candidate. Not surprising since this was the Republican National Convention. How is it biased reporting to point out the obvious stuff like this?

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

""In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."OUCH!"Name one change that McCain has achieved.

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

She did what she had to do last night, and did a pretty good job of it. She needed to get her punches in good during this brief window of opportunity for her and it energized the base such that they probably won't stay home on 11/4 like it appeared they might. Now, the real pressure on her and the GOP begins. It will be withering to her.It's deplorable how she and others in the GOP denigrate community organizers, and in the same breath a few of them have said that they do not know what that is. Very telling with regard to their view of community service. Not only to place zero value on it, but to levy contempt on it? Very sad.Forget October surprise. She's their August, September, and October surprise all rolled into one.

Wellington 6 years, 10 months ago

The democrats should be afraid, very very afraid!

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"She's a charlatan and once she's exposed, the exuberance people see now will transform itself into nothing more than the theatrical performance of a narcissistic, self-serving woman who is used to having people step out of the way for her."It is awful bad news that this is so transparent less than 1 week after her announcement. So, congrats, Repubs, I guess you felt like you had a good evening. And the corporate media is flogging it for all it is worth. But the days and weeks laying out what McCain and Palin really offer is not going to be fun for you.

Confrontation 6 years, 10 months ago

I turned on the TV last night and was absolutely shocked to see a KKK rally of that size!!! Then, I realized that it was the Repub Convention. I find it amusing that a few token minorities were offered an all-expense-paid trip just to make an appearance in the crowd. Also, I find it interesting that most of the security personnel who were hired for the event just happened to be minorities. I couldn't stop laughing at all the white people who were holding up signs with words written in Spanish. Rosco and Boss Hogg were sure getting a kick out the event!

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

"2nd best part of the speech: 7 year old Piper Palin grooming Trig Palin."Indeed. Little Miss Sunshine Piper Palin is adorable. However, I do hate that the infant was there. A loud, obnoxious political party convention floor is no place for the sensitive ears of an infant. It would have been simply too loud for an infant. The child may have permanent hearing difficulties thanks to mom's political decision to have the infant there. Shameless. I also loved that we kept getting a shot of that "stand-up" young man, Levi. They had to show him since the story was out. They couldn't keep Levi buttoned up -- but then, neither could he. God Bless the Party of Family Values!

MCwzMC 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin's speech just reaffirms that the militaristic right-wing is primed and ready fight another war paid for by today's youth (in terms of both blood and service on the the U.S.'s burgeoning, war-induced debt). True republicans vote libertarian!!!

1029 6 years, 10 months ago

People obviously will have different opinions on ideological differences between Republicans and Democrats, and that can be seen everyday by the back-and-forth "debates" going on by posters on the LJ-W. But seriously, can anyone with even an almost average level of intelligence honestly say that they thought Palin's speech was good or that they honestly think that her political experience is adequate for the position she is running for? Anyone who listened carefully to her speech knows that it lacked substance and was merely a rallying cry designed for an audience that was on her side. Not that "swing voters" are the smartest people to begin with, but one would have to be a real moron to start leaning towards McCain because of such a weak and un-informative speech. We've all heard hundreds of speeches in our lifetimes. We should all be able to recognize poor delivery, lack of coherent direction, and emphasis being placed on the wrong word in a sentence (you could practically see the words scrolling on the teleprompter as she spoke). I understand that some people aren't good speakers, and I am not faulting her for lacking that ability, but anyone--Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal--who LISTENED closely and thought that was a good speech is delusional or has been leading a life of isolation. And anyone who professes to believe that Obama will not beat McCain easily in November is thinking with their heart and not their head, or they are just not that intelligent. Are all these posters praising Palin and professing that she will clinch the election for McCain just going to show up with new "usernames" when they show up to comment on articles come November 5th? There will always be stupid comments from both sides on these message boards, but to honestly think that the speeches at the Republican Convention are tilting the race in the Republicans' favor or to think that Palin's speech has "scared the libs" or has Obama scared are just plain delusional. I highly doubt that anyone involved in Obama's campaign or any of his supporters have lost any confidence because of Palin's selection or her speech.

chet_larock 6 years, 10 months ago

screedposter (Anonymous) says: "In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."OUCH!***And then there are those who use their political "careers" to serve their own self-interest and the interests of their own small town, and then blatantly distort their record. "Thanks, but no thanks."

Snoop 6 years, 10 months ago

scott3460 Please, Please, Please keep posting your incredible hysterical liberal rants.I find the over the top hysteria over Palin incredible amusing and highly entertaining.If people like you people are this angry NOW, what are you folks gonna do after McCain wins the election. This woman has you people scared to death not to mention that now I'm reading lefty blog posts from folks who are now starting to question whether or not Obama should have chosen Hillary.If Obama chooses Hillary, Democrats win, period. However he chooses an idiot like Biden, McCain selects Palin and now the walls are crashing in. I love it.Your collection of angst makes for great reading and I'm only happy enough to share with my little blog audience.Keep it coming, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Sorry there Clint, Alaska is not the 'least populated state in the union', not that it should matter anyway.And sorry Buffalo, you can keep beatin' the drum about her 'end of times minister', but I'll take that over a "God d@#! America" and "Aids was created by the U.S. Govt. to kill off blacks" any day, and twice on Sunday.And sorry Scott, obfuscate as you might about her being a 'small village mayor', that experience alone is more than BO has, and saying such when she's currently the Governor is nothing short of childish and deceptive

MCwzMC 6 years, 10 months ago

Damn liberals! I could do without your silly ideas like free markets, individual autonomy, and democracy!All good fear-mongering reactionaries vote Republican. Meanwhile, true conservatives (classical liberals) vote Libertarian because they don't need a bloated government to protect them from all the purported "bad guys."

feeble 6 years, 10 months ago

During Sarah Palin's time as Governor of Alaska, she has cut funding for schools for special needs children by 62%Last night, Sarah Palin said: "To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters. I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House."Her past actions do not support her pledge. The proof is in the budgets: Before Palinhttp://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/07_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdfAfter Palin took office:http://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/08_OMB/budget/EED/comp2735.pdfhttp://www.gov.state.ak.us/omb/09_omb/budget/EED/comp2735.pdforiginal source:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/politics/animal/main4414049.shtml?source=mostpop_story

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

Why didn't Palin sell the jet to Cindy McCain?

acoupstick 6 years, 10 months ago

"Why didn't Palin sell the jet to Cindy McCain"A private jet is the ONLY way to get around AZ, afterall! ;>)

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

Confrontation says,'Or how about, "A Mom who doesn't raise up and use her Down Syndrome baby as a poster child for anti-abortion whacko's?"'Yeah, I thought that was kinda creepy, too. They passed the poor thing around the place. Weird.

frazzled 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin is attacking Obama for lack of experience? Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot.And with all the fuss the right wing makes about limited government and self-reliance, the gratuitous slam on community organizers becomes even more transparently hypocritical.@Larry: If handouts for Halliburton and Blackwater are rolled way back, yes, I'm all for that.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

Democrats call Wasilla, Alaska a small town, and get criticized for being snobby and for living in largely populated regions with diverse populations and complicated economics. The Republican governor of Alaska calls Ketchikan, Alaska "Nowhere" again and again and again, and gets applause. So why is it okay for Palin to call one of the towns in her state "Nowhere"? Nice double standard. I'll bet Palin has lost the Ketchikan vote.

feeble 6 years, 10 months ago

The great state of Alaska led the country in earmarks and pork spending in 2007/2008:http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-03-22-earmarks_N.htm"Arizona, the second fastest growing state in the nation, will receive just $18.70 per capita in federal earmarks this fiscal year. By comparison, Alaska - with roughly a tenth of Arizona's population - is set to receive $506.34 per capita, the highest in the nation, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group which tracks earmarks."

chet_larock 6 years, 10 months ago

" Wouldn't that be like Obama saying "In case you haven't noticed, I'm black."Um, no. Not at all. Even one bit.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"And I'm the one that needs to get money back for my education? An opinion piece from the AP?"You know what, jaywalker, you're right. I was flipping back and forth between the blog on the Leonard Pitts article and forgot where I was. My apologies. I stand corrected.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Another unbiased example from the liberal media, huh? Way to go, AP, you couldn't get Olbermann to write this piece for ya?-uncorking a smiling, sarcastic attack on Barack Obama -In an anti-climactic roll call vote-At 72, the Arizona senator is the oldest first-time nominee in history.-The 44-year-old Palin, scarcely known a week ago, -after days of tabloid-like scrutiny of her and her family.-her barbs aimed at Democratic presidential nominee Obama-her 17-year-old unmarried daughter was pregnant.-including mother-to-be Bristol and the father, 18-year-old Levi Johnston.-With her youthful experience as a sportscaster -Not surprisingly, her best-received lines were barbs at Obama-cheered every attack on Obama

RonBurgandy 6 years, 10 months ago

She's a joke. Please, she'll make a terrible VP as McCain would President.Of course, we won't have to worry about that...

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

And yet another!invictus (Anonymous) says:"I agree, and there are no required religion lessons in public schools."Yet, until your VP gets her way.

POCO 6 years, 10 months ago

Beatrice... hearing experts indicate that individuals subjected to 85 db sustained over an 8 hour period run the risk of hearing damage. Don't worry about the infant. Your real worry should be O-bomb-a and what damage he will do to this country.

sfjayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

She was an impressive speaker, but said little about her politics. The thing that struck me most from the RNC was the crowd - nothing but old dorky white people, not a very inclusive group.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"That's funny and true, no matter who wrote it."It may be funny, depending on your view of such things, but it is not true. What Obama said was the people in the midwest ARE bitter, and cling to gun rights, religious issues, and other things to explain their frustrations with a political process that has let them down. His point was that politicians over the last 20-30 years have abused these people by focusing them on issues like gun rights, and patriotism and etc, when they do nothing to truly help them improve their economic standing. The exact quote and context has been provided above. This is yet another one of the mistruths that seems to fall so easily from this woman's mouth.

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

invictus:>If I was a third grade teacher and had my students read the "Mien Kampf" I would expect outrage from the parents.Well yeah, let's just pick the most ridiculous example imaginable, something that will never happen in real life, and then use that to justify something really stupid, like banning books from the library. But to use your example, how about, instead of banning "Mein Kampf", lets just put our copies in the adult's section, and then warn kids that they probably don't want to read it until they're older, and German, and you know, really interested in discredited 20th century political ideology.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"Okay, jay, you say you like Palin and think she is a good change of pace - yet admit to knowing so little about her that you don't even know how to spell her name! OMG! What, then, is there to find that you could possibly like?"Once again you've attempted to make some sort of devastating point out of that which is wholly unimportant. And worse still is that you can't read. As I said, I've seen her name spelled both ways in the media and on these blogs. Make a federal case, foolish one, it's just as important as Cindy McCain being a cheerleader to you, apparently. "She has given one national speech that was written by others"Whaaat?!! Noone's ever done that before! If you believe BO doesn't have a TEAM of speech writers in that staff of, what is it? 3,700? then I've got some prime waterfront property south of N'awlins you may be interested in."during which she ridiculed a small town in her home state by calling it "Nowhere," The 'Bridge to 'nowhere' was not her creation, bea, and 'ridiculed' is nothing more than your perception. Besides, if her 'small village' is unimportant to you, why the double standard?"she admitted that big oil would love it if they could drill away in Alaska and that she wants to give them what they want, "Goodness! We only acquired Alaska in order to utilize its natural resources, why, she should be flogged for suggesting we should do just that!! Yes, yes, let's continue to exploit foreign resources instead of using what we have here. And enough with the 'big oil' garbage. Is there 'small oil' somewhere that can't find work? Exxon is our biggest oil company and they list 14th in the world. "that she doesn't like Obama,"She said that? Or is it just the inferences and jabs you take offense to, since we all know that nobody in politics from either side jabs at an opponent? "and she delivered the speech with the poise and elegance of somebody with a degree in communication"I don't know if that's supposed to be a criticism or an actual compliment, nor do I care, though with your track record I'm guessing the former. How? I can't guess, but it'd be par for the course."Did he truly select the best person for the position?"Who knows? Is that how every VP has been picked? Was Biden the 'best'? I certainly don't think so, but the point is moot. It's a subjective question. Were Mondale, Gore, Quayle, Cheney... the "best"? How 'bout Ford? Personally, I'd have liked to seen Condaleeza selected because she's excellent in foreign policy and that's the role VP's often spend the majority of their times in. But even then noone could answer who the 'best' was, there's really no set standard to go by.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"It was sickening to see Guiliani make that "joke" and then to see all the camera shots of privledged white people smiling and laughing about it. Since when is it a bad thing for people who lack equality of opportunity to come together and work to improve their neighborhoods and their living situations?"Who do you think they are organizing against? Republicans, who, of course, loved the nauesatingly smarmy Guiliani's put down.

Sigmund 6 years, 10 months ago

duplenty (Anonymous) says: "Hey wingers, when are you going to start attacking Peggy Noonan for her "sexist" attacks on Palin?"Peggy Noonan has already done a mea culpa ..."Let me say of myself and almost everyone I know in the press, all the chattering classes and political strategists and inside dopesters of the Amtrak Acela Line: We live in a bubble and have around us bubble people. We are Bubbleheads. We know this and try to compensate for it by taking road trips through the continent -- we're on one now, in Minneapolis -- where we talk to normal people. But we soon forget the pithy, knowing thing the garage mechanic said in the diner, and anyway we weren't there long enough in the continent to KNOW, to absorb. We view through a prism of hyper-sophistication, and judge by the rules of Chevy Chase and Greenwich, of Cleveland Park and McLean, of Bronxville and Manhattan."http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists

BuffyloGal 6 years, 10 months ago

I thought the people of Alaska were more into tossing pianos than praying to a god and that the town mayor is often an illegal immigrant from Canada. Maybe it's just in Cicily. TV has really led me astray!

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Max:That's incredibly disturbing what Kinzer is attempting and I pray he's never successful. His name rings a bell over something else I didn't care for either, but I can't recall what. But I'm curious as to why you quoted my line before providing the Kinzer material. Am I supposed to be some sort of 'censorship advocate' in your opinion?bea: "And if her service in Wasilla was garbage, as you put it,"You've really gotta work on those comprehension skills, bea. The 'garbage' I refer to is the waste that you continuously spew forth.As to my decision I'm still waiting for the debates. I do like Palin (seen her name spelled with one and two 'L's, never researched to see which was correct) and think she's a good change of pace, but I'd never base my vote on the Veep choice, otherwise BO would be out for selecting Biden. He was the one guy I hoped he didn't go with. I'm looking for a leader--we have plenty of politicians and issues alone are insufficient to judge by, otherwise why not just do this all on paper. Nope, I wanna see how they handle themselves when the pressure's on.

ASBESTOS 6 years, 10 months ago

Rasmussen PollEighty percent (80%) of Republicans say reporters are trying to hurt the GOP vice presidential nominee, and 28% of Democrats agree. Only six percent (6%) of Republicans and even fewer Democrats (4%)think the reporting is intended to help her. Most Democrats (57%) think the reporters are being unbiased, but just nine percent (9%) of Republicans concur. Among unaffiliated voters, 49% say reporters are trying to hurt Palin, while 32% say their coverage is unbiased. Only five percent (5%) say reporters are trying to help her. Voters are more ambivalent about whether the media coverage of Palin and her family reflects a double standard that treats women worse than men. Forty-six percent (46%) say it does, but 35% disagree. Most Republicans and unaffiliated voters say the stories show the media's double standard against women, but a majority of Democrats disagree. The findings, nevertheless, are troublesome for the embattled news industry and parallel what voters said in surveys earlier this summer. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of voters now believe most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win, and 49% believe reporters are trying to help Obama this year. Only 14% think they are trying to help McCain. In another survey, 55% said media bias is a bigger problem for the electoral process than large campaign donations. Although women voters by a 48% to 35% margin believe the coverage of Palin reveals a double standard in the media, they continue to support Obama more than men. Palin in her comments already has made clear that one of her key missions is to lure women voters disaffected by Clinton's defeat in the Democratic primaries to the McCain column. This national survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on September 3, 2008. The margin of sampling error for each survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

Jaywalker, you missed the point of my listing Snake Eyes wardrobe. It was to point out how paltry McCain's health insurance proposals. Any other idiot that has a problem with anything I post here, either point out how I am wrong, or contest the argument I am making. If you cannot, then be quiet and keep whatever mental health advice you think you would like to offer to yourselves. And if no Repulican can step up to renounce the uppitty comment, and, in fact, some of the more ignorant among you embrace it, then I see no reason to hold back on the Republicans. I don't have the time at the moment, but I'll be sure to get a few Suggest Removal eligible comments together later this evening. Oh, and for those of you not still in the McCain induced coma, the Obama bounce continues:Obama 301McCain 224Senate: Dems 56Reps 43House:Dems 243Reps 192That's two straight days of increase for Obama. Are we seeing America recoil at the lying, sarcastic creationist, abortion zealot hypocrite?

MyName 6 years, 10 months ago

Invictus>Who decides the value of its ideas? These people will decide which books to read. This is huge power bestowed on relatively few people.Which completely supports my point of view, that censorship is bad as it allows the viewpoints of one side to prevail without a fight rather than letting the marketplace of ideas decide what is good. You're saying you should ban books that are offensive to one group or another, which is way more limiting than my view that you should allow everything, and that time and careful deliberation be what decides which books have real merit.>Agreed, but this better done is high school/college not with a 10 year old.As far as that goes, I think the person teaching the class, in consultation with the students' parents, would be a much better arbiter of what is good than just banning books at a legislative level which is going 100% political. No politician is going to want to be viewed as pro-porn for children or whatever, even if that's a completely gross exaggeration of the content of the books. If the student's parents can say "I've read the book, and here's XYZ why I think it's bad" I can guarantee that a good teacher's going to listen and be open to other options. >Classics and history are OK; I think we are talking about controversial contemporary literature here.You've not made that clear in most of your posts, but really that's beside the point as the only difference between contemporary literature and historical literature is time and deliberation. Banning a book at a legislative level would hurt students both now and in the future as this sort of thing can stick around for years after a book becomes mainstream. Take "To Kill a Mockingbird" or "Huckleberry Finn". Both of these books were controversial (and offensive to some people) when they came out, and both are often taught in classrooms today. If people had just decided to ban them years ago, then today's students would be poorer as they may still be under that ban.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"Don't know if either is 'wrong', feeble. I don't know which earmarks McCain was critical of, but what from what I understand he's kind of against earmarks in general and prefers the state to generate the money for such improvements. I suspect that's why Arizona takes some of the fewest grants out of the 'pork pie'. I also suspect that federal money is made available because state revenues are often insufficient to fund necessary upgrades."Dude, that is a total dodge. Look in to the matter, draw a conclusion and take a position or admit that you don't know enough about the matter to do so. Such weaseling not persuasive.

kansas778 6 years, 10 months ago

scott3460 (Anonymous) says: Given that virtually no one outside of Alaska had heard her give a speech, a ton of fair minded Americans tuned in to see what she was about. What they heard was pretty disappointing. *******What YOU heard was disappointing. You expected her to speak poorly and sound foolish, and she didn't live up to your expectations. She came out swinging at Obama, and turned the "questionable experience" question completely around. Only one word to describe it: homerun.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"Dude, that is a total dodge. Look in to the matter, draw a conclusion and take a position or admit that you don't know enough about the matter to do so. Such weaseling not persuasive."Sorry to offend your sensibilities, Scott. I wasn't trying to dodge anything, I merely stated an opinion, that while I haven't done research on, is based in common sense, albeit my own. Apparently to you such a loaded question demands a black and white answer. But to me, if one man is against all earmarks that's not a bad thing. And if one woman uses legal earmarks for good projects, that's not a bad thing either. I'm fairly certain neither has done anything wrong in this area, nor is it my job to prove a dissenter's point. Feeble or yourself is more than welcome to research which earmarks Palin sought made his list, you're the ones that are looking for ways to tear them down. I didn't pose the question, bro, and frankly I'm tired of this non-issue anyway.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

You could be right on some of those things, bea, a lot of it has always been out of my grasp. But please don't mistake me saying it doesn't matter who's in office. I just warn against expecting 'sweeping change'. It doesn't happen, never has, or at least not since FDR, and that was due to continued digging out of the Depression hole. A President can do a lot of things, and the first for the next is removing the bad taste the last administration has left in our mouths. We could all use a tic tac.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

Okay, jay, you say you like Palin and think she is a good change of pace -- yet admit to knowing so little about her that you don't even know how to spell her name! OMG! What, then, is there to find that you could possibly like? She has given one national speech that was written by others, during which she ridiculed a small town in her home state by calling it "Nowhere," she admitted that big oil would love it if they could drill away in Alaska and that she wants to give them what they want, that she doesn't like Obama, and she delivered the speech with the poise and elegance of somebody with a degree in communications. McCain picked who he believed is the most qualified person for the job, even though in the first of August of this year Palin admitted to not really knowing what it is that the VP does every day. McCain was under pressure to make a good pick -- how did he do while under pressure? Did he truly select the best person for the position?

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Max: "What do you call banning books at a public library if not censorship? I've reviewed your previous posts, and I can clearly say I have no respect for you or your judgment, so consider me your enemy (like the Republican party feels about the free press"Have it your way, Max. Though, sorry to bruise that magnificent ego you apparently have, but I find no need to consider you an enemy. What are ya? Two?As to your first ignorant line, yes, I would call banning books at a public library censorship. However I still don't get why you want to rail at me for the actions of Kinzer or anyone else in regards to censorship. And after you mentioned it I looked up the connection with Palin. There's nothing there of any substance to the allegation whatsoever. Nice try at another lie, I guess."Why don't you debate the issues I've raised in the many news reports that I've posted instead of blathering on about what you perceive to be media bias?"Again, what the hell are you talking about? I haven't been having any discourse with you on anything at all, and my comments on the bias in this article were not addressed to you, not in response to anything you've said or linked. Are you paranoid? Schizo? Having some make-believe battle with me? Or are you angry that I and others haven't responded to your 1000 or so links 'cuz we're tired of trying to figure out what the hell they have to do with anything? Why do I suspect you're occupying a basement somewhere with little interaction with adults? And how foolish are you exactly to say you have 'no respect' for me, and yet you want me to respond to you? Methinks you're a touch 'round the bend, friend. Have a nice life.

Snoop 6 years, 10 months ago

scott3460 dude, seriously are you on suicide watch? I scan through the law.com blogs and the ljworld comments and you are bordering on absolute senility.Are you being paid to post your moronic nonsense? How in the hell can someone have over 1000 comments all basically filled with these liberal hysteria themes.At first I found your comments amusing but after reading some of your other stuff this commenting thing is like crack to you and all of your rants are simply irrational.The presidential race is over, breathe into a paper bag, relax, get a prescription for some anti-depressants. Also stop talking about racism crap. You don't know what the hell you are talking about!

kansas778 6 years, 10 months ago

Scott, you need to cite your sources: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.htmlRegardless, Obama is uppity. We don't hold with people who think they are royalty in this county. You see, we still hold a grudge about those kinds of things. Prince Obama, indeed.

POCO 6 years, 10 months ago

max1: "Of course we aren't allowed to discuss her [Palin's] credentials...Let's compare her credentials to Obama's while remembering he is running for President and she's "only" a VP candidate. It would be fine with me to hear Obama's credentials (or lack thereof). I'll take a sitting Governor/former Mayor any day of the week compared to a community organizer (whatever that is) and a Senator who ran for President most of his time there.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"a_flock, something perhaps you have forgotten. The key to election day victory is getting out the base to vote. So we see an ideologue who's not afraid to rip on the opposition. Base motivated. Election success. It's still early, but I'm sure we'll all be tuned in to the VP debate to see how she handles herself, and I expect more of the same. A very quotable speech too. Remember these?"And here's what you've forgotten. george w. bush required every one of those energized base voters and then a great share of the independent and swing voters. No doubt, McCain will likely get all the base. How many of the independent and swing voters will he get? We shall see. The shrill, rude, sarcastic, and self-satisfied gloating his VP choice delivered last night was little more than a collection of personal attacks on Obama and an overly dramatic retelling of McCain's POW time. No details of what McCain and she will do if entrusted with the jobs, no policy proposals just lots and lots of negativity. That'll work with the base, they've already concluded Obama is a marxist just waiting to begin the negro riots. The folks that count, the folks who will decide the election, they are going to want to know what they intend to do. Unfortunately, all of the answers are not good for McCain. He cannot tell the truth, and has no other plausible story. Poor guy. And as I said earlier, with that woman in the #2 chair, I'd invest in a food tester, she will not be satisfied there long.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Max: "Your dearly beloved Palin clearly is. Of course we aren't allowed to discuss her credentials - it makes you rightwingnuts froth at the mouth."First, I didn't know nor have heard Palin was for censorship, and whether she is or isn't doesn't explain why you would lump me in with a fool like Kinzer. You have definitely had some tenuous connections between those you've cited and links you've provided in the past, but sorry buddy, I'm an avid reader and writer and am not for censorship of (almost) any kind.It's also sad for me to see you refer to and/or lump me in as a 'rightwingnut'. Too bad, had some respect for your posts in the past.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"but I gotta tell ya 'Snake Eyes' made me laugh."Because, like all good humor, there is a hint of truth to it. I myself think she may just be a space alien, but I know some of you insist that I restrain some of my more outlandish claims, so I have not pursued that avenue of thought.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Again, Scott, she is not against earmarks. She's against wasteful spending and the abuse of earmarks. Alaska's earmark totals are high in large part due to the corrupt Sen. Stevens who should and hopefully will go down for his misdeeds. I'm not much of one for stats, particularly in how they're broken down, but I suspect a per capita amount contrasting a state vs. a town is at the least misleading. Earmarks are useful and necessary all over the U.S., but their abuse is also widespread. The projects that Palin sought fed money for, at least the ones I've been able to discover, are all prudent, necessary, and/or useful in that they improve the community, its safety, its sanitation, and its prospects for increasing revenue. They aren't like asking for fed money to build a museum at Woodstock.

kansas778 6 years, 10 months ago

a_flock, something perhaps you have forgotten. The key to election day victory is getting out the base to vote. So we see an ideologue who's not afraid to rip on the opposition. Base motivated. Election success. It's still early, but I'm sure we'll all be tuned in to the VP debate to see how she handles herself, and I expect more of the same. A very quotable speech too. Remember these?"The difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.""But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. ""I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities."Again, homerun.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

Jaywalker:Some facts for your consideration:Per Capita Earmark Spending - Arizona - $18.70US avg. - $51.19Alaska - $505.34Wasilla, AK - $1,000.00And to make matters worse, all of the above figures are for 2008, except Wasilla which is back when the Shrill Queen was mayor (2002.) And, to clear up the matter of intent, she hired a lobbyist to accomplish these results. It seems odd to hire a lobbyist to pursue federal earmarks if one is against them.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

I 'spose that's your opinion, max, but at least they are my opinions and not endless links to nothing. If my writing is difficult to understand perhaps you'd feel closer to your element in a junior high chat room. Just a suggestion. Let's see....you have 'no respect' for my opinion, I'm 'dimwitted scum', and I express myself like a 'slobbering drunk'. And yet you still seek responses from such a person? I don't advocate mind altering drugs, but in your case........

BeeBee3 6 years, 10 months ago

EVERYONE who believes ANYTHING this woman claimed she did or didn't do should read this. Proof she's full of it.. straight from a Wasilla resident.http://www.andrys.com/palin-kilkenny.html

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

kansas778 says,"Only one word to describe it: homerun."Whoops, you forgot the rest - homerun in the batting practice before the game, but ripped ACL in the process.

David Lignell 6 years, 10 months ago

Did McCain pick a running mate yet? (These machines are running my life!)

RedwoodCoast 6 years, 10 months ago

As I was watching the RNC last night, I kept thinking that I recognized a lot of people in the audience. For a second, I thought that all of the people who had ever shot me nasty looks or shouted critical words about my appearance had gathered in one room. No really, they looked like a gathering of people who wouldn't give someone like me the time of day.By the way, did anyone else see Palin's youngest daughter slicking back the hair on her newborn brother's head using her own saliva?

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jayw, in other words, you apparently can't answer the question of what it is you like about Palin, which is what I asked you. Nice spin away from answering.And yes, I'll admit to criticizing a small town mayor of just six years and governor of a lightly populated state for 20 months as not being enough preparation for vp. When we look on the record (pork barrel spending, for instance, or being for the bridge before she was against it) we find contradictions that suggest the facts don't match up to the words spoken. And should we care if her husband has been a member of a political party that wants to no longer be part of America? How does that inform her ideas? We don't know. Palin disagrees, of course, and suggests that Dems are insulting small town America for making such an assumption, then she turns right around and calls another small town in her own state "Nowhere." I'm pointing out the double standard. Your suggestion that we just don't know what will happen and that it is impossible to judge might be true, but it is simplistic. Sometimes, you do have to look at the resume, and you do have to judge. Wasilla is a tiny town, lacking diversity. If the population of Wasilla left Phoenix today, I don't think we would really notice out here. That is how small we are talking about. It would be like hiring somebody to head up General Motors, knowing that they ran a bicycle shop, followed by overseeing a group of bicycle shops for a year and a half. Finally, I never said that others don't have speech writers. I said we know of Palin from her having read just one of these speeches in a national setting. Just one. Her college degree is in communications. She read the speech well, which I would expect. It had no substance, but she read it well. I also think Sandra Bullock could have read the speech well, but I don't believe I'd want her as vp. How well Palin read the one speech is hardly enough to give her a thumbs up. Knowing so little about her but for the slight resume, however, is enough to give a thumbs down. Just like being on a hiring committee, you don't always interview everyone who sends in their vita. Could she win more people over if she had more time -- quite possibly. But she doesn't have the time. We are going to get this one national speech, some smaller stump speeches, and one debate. That is it. That is a maverick move on McCain's part that suggests he is more than willing to gamble our future based on his hunch. So, I'll repeat the question, what is it you like and believe makes her qualified? If there isn't anything, why the constant defense of the Republicans and attacks against the Democrats, especially when you claim to be likely voting for Obama?

feeble 6 years, 10 months ago

Palin's hypocrisy on earmarks and pork spending knows no bounds:From her own hand:" FYI This does not include our nearly one million Dollars from the Feds for our Airport Paving Project. We did well!!!"See for yourself:http://www.washingtonindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/council-scribble.jpgThe comment is in reference to Palin, as Mayor, pulling in 1.8 million in earmarks and pork for Wasillia.originally reported at:http://www.washingtonindependent.com/4328/more-on-palins-true-stand-on-earmarks

POCO 6 years, 10 months ago

screedposter's message: "If Barack sent him a $20 bill, it would nearly triple his income this year." -screedposter max1 responded: "Perhaps he will, but Barack's mother divorced his father when he was two years old, and Barack has never lived in Kenya - never."I believe O-bomb-a described himself as "my brother's keeper", plus he was a community activist/organizer who supposedly looked out for others. He certainly visited Kenya and knew about his half-siblings, but guess he didn't really care much about them. I guess O-bomb-a cares more about seeking favors for/from his shady buddies than he does about the living conditions of his own family. Having been to Kenya/Africa a number of times, I understand the type of squalor, his half-brother lives in. But, I'm sure this rock-star celebrity brother held his nose and moved on. SAD

feeble 6 years, 10 months ago

Again, Scott, she is not against earmarks. She's against wasteful spending and the abuse of earmarks. ------------------------------------------------------------Which is why earmarks Palin requested made McCain's list of questionable and wasteful earmarks. So who was wrong here, McCain or Palin?

Chris Golledge 6 years, 10 months ago

I wanted to find out more about her. What I learned was that she flatters those with her and insults those not; that's about it. Nothing new there.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

By the way, on the 'censorship idiot's tour', this past year a woman in our district went on a rampage trying to get Harry Potter books banned from the junior highs because "they promote witchcraft". Swell, huh?

a_flock_of_jayhawks 6 years, 10 months ago

screedposter (Anonymous) says:"By the way, scott, Palin got nearly as many viewers as Obama, and Obama was on ten channels, Palin on six."Well, when there's a train wreck, everyone looks, even if they really don't want to.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"jayw, in other words, you apparently can't answer the question of what it is you like about Palin, which is what I asked you. Nice spin away from answering.And yes, I'll admit to criticizing a small town mayor of just six years and governor of a lightly populated state for 20 months as not being enough preparation for vp."Sorry if I lost your 'question' in this blather: "Okay, jay, you say you like Palin and think she is a good change of pace - yet admit to knowing so little about her that you don't even know how to spell her name! OMG! What, then, is there to find that you could possibly like?"Just can't shake that comprehension thing, huh bea? First, I never 'admitted' to knowing little about her, you make the assumption cuz I used two L's. Sue me. And you find no hypocrisy in finding BO ok to govern the country with less time in government than Palin? Amazing.As to what I like about her, off the top of my head: she's an upward achiever, each step since high school to bigger and better things; athlete, outdoorsman, pilot, good family, married for 20 years, has religious convictions, small town girl to player on bigger stages, incredibly popular and elected to two terms as mayor of hometown and overwhelmingly popular with Alaskans, not afraid to stand up to own party, works to expose corruption, believes in minimalizing earmarks, fresh, young, personable, confident. Now, all that being said, there are things that I don't care for, but no candidate or person is absolutely perfect, particularly with candidates. I'm not a fan of her creationist stance. I believe in pro-choice. But again, my decision on who I vote for come November will be mainly based on the men running for Prez, as it should be. BO and Mac both have issues that for me are problems. When it boils down, it's gonna be who I feel will be the best 'leader' that gets my support. And while you may feel like I'm always taking Rep sides against Dems, sorry to say it just ain't so. I probably am a touch over on the conservative side, but I've never voted along party lines, and if I ever were to it would be coincidence, not purposeful. I've ripped into radical rights on here as well, it just seems that there's a lot more inane commentary from the far left in this paper, and it's the idiocy and ignorance that gets me stirred up. Like Scott's conspiracy theories or your attempts at labeling C. Mac an elitist because she has money. But I'm equally appalled at 'terrorist fist bumps', 'liberals are anti-American', and 'Barry's our affirmative action President'.Ok, rip away.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

"Eat crow, scott"Why? According to your own post the Alaska-billy's speech only came close to upsetting Obama's historic address on Thursday. Given that virtually no one outside of Alaska had heard her give a speech, a ton of fair minded Americans tuned in to see what she was about. What they heard was pretty disappointing. Now on to Grampy McSame. Even you cannot believe anywhere near that number will watch him display his "fun as watching paint dry" speaking skills tonight do you?

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Gotcha, Scott, sorry 'bout that. I probably missed an earlier post and missed the context. As you know, I'm not a big fan of tagging names on our candidates, but I gotta tell ya 'Snake Eyes' made me laugh.Max the mentally challenged:"That's why I don't associate with dimwitted scum like you - you refuse to believe anything other than what Palin wants you to believe"Holy smokes, max, there are home enema kits that might do the trick, buddy. What Pallin wants me to believe? So she's been on a rampant disinformation campaign in her 4 days on the national stage, huh? Get a grip. Allegations by the librarian she fired? Perhaps you just want to believe the negative, maybe possibly could it be? Naaaaw!Look, if it ends up being proved that she was in favor of banning books, and not rhetorical questions she was asking in order to size up an employee as Palin has explained, then that'll be a strike against her for me. Happy? I told you I'm completely against such acts, really man, take your meds. The problem here is, and I wish I could find a way to shout this at ya to get it through your obviously pea-sized brain, - she hasn't banned any books!!!!!!!!!! How 'bout providing a link where it's not allegation, innuendo, and actual proof that she exercised censorship? What's that?......ummm......errr....duh....Yeah, that's what I thought. Keep your psychosis to yourself, Max. Only a fool or a psycho seeks out confrontation with 'dimwitted scum'. Or are you just pissed I guessed right about those basement living conditions?

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

"Which is why earmarks Palin requested made McCain's list of questionable and wasteful earmarks. So who was wrong here, McCain or Palin?"Don't know if either is 'wrong', feeble. I don't know which earmarks McCain was critical of, but what from what I understand he's kind of against earmarks in general and prefers the state to generate the money for such improvements. I suspect that's why Arizona takes some of the fewest grants out of the 'pork pie'. I also suspect that federal money is made available because state revenues are often insufficient to fund necessary upgrades.

POCO 6 years, 10 months ago

Jaywalker wrote: "My big problem, and it's not really with BO himself per se, is that he's been (or it seems so to me) groomed, positioned, ordained (and I'm not making a Messiah reference, I'm not a fan of the label), destined: however you want to phrase it:.. to be Prez. I read an article from BO's first year on the Hill where the writer questioned his vote on a certain bill but then rationalized it by speculating that 'he didn't want to tarnish a future Presidential run'. That just blows me away! I mean, who talks of any freshman Senator in such terms?"Thanks Jaywalker... you have put into words what my feelings have been about Obama. There is an entitlement attitude surrounding his words and actions...as if we owe our vote to him. I was really disappointed when he referred to himself as being black, having a funny name, etc. I'd vote a green person with no name if he/she was qualified and experienced enough to earn my vote. Obama has not earned my vote this time around. Perhaps if he returns to the Senate and actually does something significant, I can rethink my position in the future. Let him run for the Governor of Illinois position and see what he accomplishes... even in a two year period.On the other hand, McCain has put forth a strong case about his service to the country... both military and political. His actions speak louder than words. He will get my vote because he has earned it.Thank Jaywalker for the words that express my concerns.

Flap Doodle 6 years, 10 months ago

"To the extent - often overstated - that vice presidential picks influence election outcomes, Palin figures to be a positive complement to the McCain ticket, bringing in more votes than she loses. Those most critical of her selection are, for the most part, already committed to the Democratic ticket, so their opposition is irrelevant. When they argue that Palin lacks experience, they leave themselves open to the obvious retort that she's on the bottom of the GOP ticket while the man lacking experience on the Democratic ticket is on the top.As an evangelical and a social issues conservative, Palin solidifies McCain's support and breeds enthusiasm among those voters. She's been a courageous reformer, going after corruption within her own party. This is in stark contrast to Barack Obama, a product of the Chicago political machine. She's experienced and aggressive on energy issues. As a former TV sports reporter, she's media savvy, articulate, confident, comfortable and telegenic. She'll do well against Joe Biden in the TV debate.Palin is a well-rounded, athletic, self-made woman and a dedicated "hockey mom" with five kids. Her husband's even a blue-collar union man. The aforementioned Geraldine Ferraro told Fox News that Palin could make a difference in the campaign among women dissatisfied with the way Hillary Clinton was treated. I don't expect a mass defection from feminist Democratic activists, but Palin might do well with millions of nonideological, nonpartisan swing-voting soccer moms who relate to her as one of their own. Call this the "You go, girl" vote.Who'd have thought John McCain's VP pick would have stolen the spotlight from Obama just a day after his historic acceptance speech at Invesco Field?"http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/05/rosen-palintology-101/

pace 6 years, 10 months ago

The republicans have it right, 8 years of Bush and far right religious policies and the country is desperate. McCain is maybe a less stupid man than Bush, but Palin seems a sincere deeply religious woman ready to show the world the right and narrow way. same ol same ol. We know more about how they hate Obama than what they plan to do.

feeble 6 years, 10 months ago

To be clear, I'm referring to the million dollar's Palin pulled into pave Wasilia's airport. An unmanned, unattended municipal airport with no control towerhttp://img.airnav.com/ap/04502. Wasilia itself is about 45 minutes by car from a major airport (Fairbanks)the $650k for sidewalks in a town that gets 50 inches annual snowfall is just the whipped topping on the proverbial pork pie.

kansas778 6 years, 10 months ago

scott3460 (Anonymous) says: The folks that count, the folks who will decide the election, they are going to want to know what they intend to do. ********What decides the elections is not which way the undecideds go, but who can get the base out. Obama may be up in the polls, but will those people actually go to the voting both and cast their ballot for him? Like I said before, if you don't already have a good idea who you are going to vote for at this point in time, you probably don't care. Taking time to go wait in line to vote will probably not be a top priority for these folks.

kansas778 6 years, 10 months ago

screedposter (Anonymous) says: That's just Barack being a brother.******Or being a democrat.

chet_larock 6 years, 10 months ago

""I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities."Again, homerun.****Ahh yes, belittling the people who work to improve the lives of the less fortunate. Definitely a "homerun".Yet Obama is called an 'elitist'. What sort of dim-witted logic is that? Oh right, the logic of right-wing sheep who think those kind of statements are "homeruns".

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

Cindy McCain's first night of Republican National Convention outfit Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000 Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500 Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000 Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000-$25,000 Shoes, designer unknown: $600 Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100 Wow. That's about 60 times the health care credit McCain proposes to give families for a year.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Et tu, Scott? The woman is fortunate enough to have millions, we should all be so lucky. Yet you want to begrudge her for it? If she wore garbage bags would you have sneered that she was pandering to the have-nots?Come to America, land of the free, opportunity to all -- but if you have money the envious will hate ya for it. Swell.And Westmoreland, while frequently putting his foot up his own keester 'round these parts, doesn't need 'McCain apologists' to renounce him, does he really? And now we can add 'uppity' to the list of words you can't say around or about black people? It certainly doesn't make a blanket statement about all Republicans, as Max so foolishly attempted to assert earlier. C'mon man, don't go down that road. Things are ugly enough on these strings.

TopJayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

You think it is possible that the "former Mayor" might have a political axe to grind there Maxie? You just keep on believing everything you read on those left-wing blogs. It'll keep you happy and pleasantly deluded.

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Bea,I'm well aware of what 'speculation' is, and that article was just one example. I've just never heard of a freshman Senator, Governor, or Congressman referred to like that. I don't care if they're Rep or Dem, having served less than a year and being thought of as a possible CIC is odd. Nor did I say he was 'groomed', just that it 'seems' that way. Look, I agree with everything you say about his leadership abiities. That's why he's got serious consideration for my vote. And as far as beating out Clinton, I predicted that to my father last winter (and took $100 from him! 'Course it was my c-note cuz I thought Romney was gonna take McCain).As far as Mac bucking GWB, he has done so on some fronts, but the biggest issue w/Bush has been Iraq and that's why Mac's backing has BO's campaign pushing the 'fear' tactic that it'll be '4 more years of the same'. I don't believe that to be true. I'd argue that tax breaks for the wealthy is not why the economy is shaky and certainly not why we're in 'tremendous debt'. Tax the hell out of the wealthy and corporations, the ones who create the jobs, and that's when and why you see them take their money and their jobs overseas. The correlation is the same as when the minimum wage goes up: unemployment rises. Watch and see. If and when BO takes office and implements his 'tax plan', unemployment will soar. Happens every time. Digressing here and do NOT want to get into a tax discussion, but that's probably my biggest issue with him. Now if he were to do away with the IRS (an immediate $500 Billion savings to us!) and implement the Fair Tax, I'd vote for him, stump for him, paper my house in BamaBiden posters. I've had two small biz's, and taxation is a huuuuuuuuge plank for me. If you're unfamiliar with the Fair Tax I urge everyone to check it out.Lastly, just be wary of the 'change for change's sake' platform. Every election someone's crying this trite phrase, was sad to hear Mac pick it up last night. It's overused and meaningless. This country is much like the economy. It's a living, breathing entity and grandiose, sweeping change(s) or darn near unattainable, and often make things worse. Move away from Bush policies, sure. But the sky won't be any bluer no matter who takes office.

TacoBob 6 years, 10 months ago

And now for something completely different......From Craigslist:FREE - Robbie Knievel Exposition Tickets - FREE - $1 (TX)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Reply to: see below Date: 2008-09-04, 8:52PM CDTI have 4 extra tickets for the ROBBIE KNIEVEL event at the Alamodome if anyone wants them. He's going to attempt to jump 5,000 Obama supporters with a bulldozer. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hee hee. Too funny, regardless of your persuasion.Now back to the cage match.BTW, what was up with the protesters during McCain's speech - missed it. Today I drove under the bridge where the protesters were moving on the police line today to get to the Xcel Center. Saw the tear gas let loose. Cops pushed the traffic through, but it would have been great to witness the whole scene. Weird wacky stuff in St. Paul.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jay, "I read an article from BO's first year on the Hill where the writer questioned his vote on a certain bill but then rationalized it by speculating that 'he didn't want to tarnish a future Presidential run'. That just blows me away! I mean, who talks of any freshman Senator in such terms?"So, you read something where somebody speculated something about Obama -- and you let that blow you away? There is a reason it is called "speculation." Obama has drive, vision, intelligence -- in short, he is a leader. That quality comes through despite his being in his first term as United States Senator. More years in the Senate would not change that and wouldn't necessarily improve it. He hasn't been "groomed," as you say. If you recall, we just went through a very lengthy battle among the Democrats, where Obama beat out the favorite going in, Hillary Clinton. If anyone was being groomed for the Dems spot in '08, it was Clinton. Obama is the one who came in and earned the party's respect and won the battle. Why? Because he is a leader. McCain has given great service to the country. Nobody I'd listen to can argue his military record, although being in Arizona for much of the time he has been a Senator, I do question much of his politics. As far as creating the change he now wants, I simply ask, why hasn't he tried to get it done over the past 8 years? Why wasn't he an outspoken opponent of Bush these past 8 years if he now disagrees with the direction of the country? As we know, he isn't against the war in Iraq, was one of the first to call for us to attack Iraq after 9/11, and said it could be done with fewer troops than in 1991. He is also now for the tax breaks for the uber-wealthy, which have played a major role in putting the nation in enormous debt. In short, he believes in most of the policies of the past 8 years. For real change for the better, vote Obama.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

Not even trying to hide their racism anymore, I see.Georgia Republican Rep. Lynn Westmoreland used the racially-tinged term "uppity" to describe Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Thursday. Westmoreland was discussing vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's speech with reporters outside the House chamber and was asked to compare her with Michelle Obama. "Just from what little I've seen of her and Mr. Obama, Sen. Obama, they're a member of an elitist-class individual that thinks that they're uppity," Westmoreland said. Asked to clarify that he used the word "uppity," Westmoreland said, "Uppity, yeah."Who will be the first McCain apologist to renounce him?

jaywalker 6 years, 10 months ago

Bea, I'm not trying to compare Wasilla with Illinois or Chicago, though I'm unaware that BO governed either. No doubt she was mayor of a small burg, I just appreciate such experience as a stepping stone to a run for Lt. Gov, President of Ethics Committee for Alaskan Gas and Oil (uncertain of actual title), and then Governor. My comparisons rest mainly in that IS experience as opposed to none such for Obama. I fully appreciate what he has done and the path he has taken. It is nothing short of impressive. Whether he wins this race or not, and I believe he will, he's going to be a strong figure on the Hill for years to come. But yes, I'll disagree when you or others find his community service, teaching law, and editing the Harvard Law Review is solid preparation for Prez, but being on the city council, a twice elected mayor, the President of an Ethics Committee, and Governor is not solid preparation for Veep. My big problem, and it's not really with BO himself per se, is that he's been (or it seems so to me) groomed, positioned, ordained (and I'm not making a Messiah reference, I'm not a fan of the label), destined... however you want to phrase it..... to be Prez. I read an article from BO's first year on the Hill where the writer questioned his vote on a certain bill but then rationalized it by speculating that 'he didn't want to tarnish a future Presidential run'. That just blows me away! I mean, who talks of any freshman Senator in such terms? Just seems ..... hinky, ya know? And let me lend you a slight correction. Palin has never advocated 'eliminating all earmarks'. She's against, and has fought against, their over-use and the corruption behind some of them. The earmarks she sought for Wasilla were to : improve the sewer system and roads, build a youth center and sports facility, and to build a light rail that ran to a nearby ski resort in order to increase tourism income for the town.

TopJayhawk 6 years, 10 months ago

Scott-Ever look in a mirror dude? You project way too much. Obama does not need to be patronising anyone, and that is what the "God and guns" comment is.You say McCain is incompetent. Why, because he got shot down? Or maybe it is because he can, has and will reach across party lines. That pisses you off, you don't want that.The reason people are enamored with Palin is because she is the first true conservative since Ronald Reagan. I know you demean that. To a lot of people that is not a bad thing. McCain did a few mea-culpas about not understanding the true conservative philosophy. I don't know if he is just saying that to get elected, but he sounded sincere and contrite. Just as he sounded ashamed of himself for being "broken" as a POW. I know he lasted longer under those horrendous conditions a lot longer than I would have, but I'm sure you would have lasted a lot longer being the smart guy that you are. I will honor McCain's service to country,- not only in the skies over Hanoi, but also on the ground in D.C.- with my vote. Run along and play now.

Scott Drummond 6 years, 10 months ago

Let's see how big a deal the corporate press makes of this:Turns out the plane Palin and McCain have both claimed she sold on eBay, was not, in fact, sold on eBay. Instead it was sold, at a loss, to one of Palin's campaign contributers. Gee, I wonder why she left that out. And, it seems to me, selling government assets at a loss is not such a fiscally responsible thing to do.

beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jay, that post actually made some sense on where you stand. However, I do need to correct you, when you state the following: "And you find no hypocrisy in finding BO ok to govern the country with less time in government than Palin? Amazing."It isn't the "time" spent in government, it is the comparing Wasilla (pop. 6,500) with the entire state of Illinois (pop. 12,850,000) as offering comparable governmental experience where you lose me. Do you think a mayor of a town more than ten times larger than Wasilla - take Lawrence, for example - could just step in and be mayor of Chicago? Or that the current mayor of Wasilla could just transition into being mayor of New York City? Even as governor, Palin is in charge of a state with a population roughly 6% that of Illinois? And, she has sought millions of dollars in earmarks, which she is now running against. This, of course, isn't looking at an important background issues such as community service and teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago, which are not experience enough in and of themselves, but they help prepare someone for a leadership position. While I can certainly admire Palin's background of working hard for her family and working in the family business, I don't think any of that prepares her for the position of vp. You apparently disagree.

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beatrice 6 years, 10 months ago

jay, "The correlation is the same as when the minimum wage goes up: unemployment rises." I'm not so sure. I've never seen a big spike in unemployment following the raise in minimum wage. I've checked. There might be minimal bumps for a short while in select areas, but not long-lasting, and never large. The small business tax issue is a huge burden, and I agree with you that this needs to be fixed. I also like aspects of the Fair Tax idea. I strongly disagree, however, with the idea that it won't really matter who is in office. And without going into a big long thing, let me just point at the war, and tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthy that hasn't stopped anyone from outsourcing their business. There massive gains in wealth haven't righted the economy, but we have seen a massive rise in the prices at auction of fine art during this period, and it isn't the museums doing the buying. When you pile on the social issues with which I disagree being proposed on the Right, the decison of who is in office actually does matter.So go ahead, slap those BamaBiden posters up. It will make you feel better.

coltrane 6 years, 10 months ago

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